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2016-08-13T00:19:49Z drmeister: Is there a system independent way to re-REQUIRE a module?
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2016-08-13T00:23:40Z jasom: drmeister: remove it from *modules* if you follow the spec exactly should force a reload
2016-08-13T00:24:46Z drmeister: Thanks!
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2016-08-13T00:27:53Z drmeister: How many people can say this?    "I'm writing code in a 50 year old language to read a file format that I invented 25 years ago that is still used today"?
2016-08-13T00:28:24Z drmeister: Darn few people.
2016-08-13T00:30:15Z jasom: drmeister: some chemistry format?
2016-08-13T00:30:30Z drmeister: Yep.  Chemistry is timeless.
2016-08-13T00:30:47Z drmeister: I wish I'd known about S-expressions back then.
2016-08-13T00:30:59Z jasom: drmeister: likely some scientists are using FORTRAN to read a format they invented ~25+ years ago
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2016-08-13T00:31:46Z drmeister: I designed this format to be readable by FORTRAN code - self describing tables.
2016-08-13T00:31:50Z jasom: My impression is that fortran use in sciences seems to have declined quite a bit over the last decade though (IANA scientist)
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2016-08-13T00:32:10Z drmeister: It was to replace fortran format files.
2016-08-13T00:32:34Z Bike: let me tell you about installing borland delphi 5 in 2015
2016-08-13T00:33:00Z jasom: drmeister: replacing one language with one that is 4 years newer; you're chasing the bleeding-edge man :)
2016-08-13T00:33:38Z drmeister: I'm going to drag chemistry kicking and screaming into the mid 1960's
2016-08-13T00:33:47Z Bike: at least we started out with recursive procedures.
2016-08-13T00:35:01Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gbht4Fzj/
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2016-08-13T00:36:20Z drmeister: It took a while - but this is going to kick ass.
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2016-08-13T00:47:29Z jasom: drmeister: good luck; chemistry was just above biology at the bottom of my "skill at hard sciences" heirarchy
2016-08-13T00:47:53Z jasom: it's roughly inversely proportional to the number of names one needs to memorize before one can take an upper-division class and not be totally lost.
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2016-08-13T01:54:15Z VitoVan: Is there any easy way to simulate keypress event in Common Lisp?
2016-08-13T01:54:40Z VitoVan: Instead of using xlib on Linux or win32 api on Win*
2016-08-13T01:57:57Z VitoVan: I found a general solution in Clojure: https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Simulate_input/Keyboard#Clojure
2016-08-13T01:58:19Z VitoVan: Well, since it's based on Java, so...
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2016-08-13T02:26:11Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-08-13T02:31:38Z beach: McCLIM crowdfunding has 1029 USD in just 12 hours or so.  Amazing!
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2016-08-13T03:42:53Z jasom: VitoVan: what exactly are you trying to do?
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2016-08-13T03:52:53Z jasom: hmmm https://github.com/asweigart/pyautogui is only ~1300 lines of code; should be fairly easy to port to lisp
2016-08-13T03:54:16Z jasom: though I don't think clx has the xtest extension specified
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2016-08-13T04:03:49Z PuercoPop: VitoVan: checkout the xtest extension of clx (its on extensions/xtest.lisp), there is a fake-key-event
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2016-08-13T04:10:43Z jasom: PuercoPop: oh clx has xtest?  That will make porting pyautogui a snap; it was the only external dep I wasn't sure if lisp had
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2016-08-13T04:44:10Z VitoVan: thank you  jasom, I will check that.
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2016-08-13T04:45:06Z VitoVan: thank you PuercoPop, I am checking on xtest.lisp now.
2016-08-13T04:45:53Z VitoVan: PuercoPop: Found the fake-key-event: https://github.com/sharplispers/clx/blob/master/extensions/xtest.lisp#L130
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2016-08-13T05:02:28Z VitoVan: jasom: I am trying to make a bot to play game with keyboard and mouse.
2016-08-13T05:02:43Z Merdam: Who here wants to solve Europe's Islam problem?
2016-08-13T05:02:45Z Merdam: I do!
2016-08-13T05:03:07Z Merdam: We must start organizing in order to eliminate every single Muslim from Europe: man, woman, child, and infant.
2016-08-13T05:03:20Z Merdam: They must be rounded up at bayonette point and force-marched to the sea
2016-08-13T05:03:26Z jasom: VitoVan: how will you read from the screen?  That might be harder than pushing input events
2016-08-13T05:03:31Z Merdam: anybody who stops, falls, or slows down gets shot
2016-08-13T05:03:53Z jasom: VitoVan: if you are inside the code of the game, then you can push events directly to its event loop
2016-08-13T05:03:53Z Merdam: We promise them there is a boat waiting at the beach to take them back to the middle east
2016-08-13T05:03:59Z Merdam: but when they get there
2016-08-13T05:04:04Z Merdam: they are told that the boat is to allah
2016-08-13T05:04:17Z Merdam: and they are all forced to swim out into shark-chummed waters
2016-08-13T05:04:24Z Merdam: It is urgent...
2016-08-13T05:04:30Z Merdam: there is no moderation when it comes to Islam
2016-08-13T05:04:35Z Merdam: no reducing migration
2016-08-13T05:04:41Z Merdam: it must be stopped and reversed now
2016-08-13T05:07:37Z VitoVan: jasom: I found this: Take, save, and display a screenshot in Common Lisp (using CLX and ZPNG).
2016-08-13T05:07:37Z VitoVan: https://gist.github.com/orivej/5522461
2016-08-13T05:07:56Z VitoVan: jasom: haven't tried yet, but seems logical.
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2016-08-13T05:08:29Z PuercoPop: jasom: yeah, it has quite a few of extensions, although not all are fully implemented (like xscreen-server for instance). A couple more are implemented in different repos as well.
2016-08-13T05:08:57Z jasom: PuercoPop: a lot was missing from glx on it, and it uses the package nickname "gl" which makes it hard to use a different gl library
2016-08-13T05:09:22Z jasom: VitoVan: looks reasonable; test it with direct-rendering though (important if it's a game)
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2016-08-13T05:10:05Z VitoVan: jasom: and I want to make it as independent as possible, so directly manipulate the event loop of specific game is not the option.
2016-08-13T05:10:19Z jasom: VitoVan: and much luck to you; bots that play games are fairly hard to write, unless there is a simple strategy that can be milked en-masse (e.g. tight-aggressive in hold-em, farming in MMOs).
2016-08-13T05:10:55Z PuercoPop: jasom: yeah, that nickname collision is unfortunate. It may be a good idea to send a PR removing the nickname
2016-08-13T05:12:17Z jasom: PuercoPop: I wish package nickname collisions provided a restart; as long as the system itself doesn't depend on it, then it might be possible to continue.
2016-08-13T05:12:34Z VitoVan: jasom: yeah, Tetris has the *HARD* label in the game list.
2016-08-13T05:13:30Z VitoVan: jasom: I am thinking implement some neural network stuff in Common Lisp, and making a game bot is kind of practice.
2016-08-13T05:13:31Z jasom: VitoVan: depending on the tetris, that's not too bad; if you're going for longest game a mini-max is pretty good
2016-08-13T05:13:54Z jasom: VitoVan: and the next block is always in the same place and orientation on the screen
2016-08-13T05:14:21Z VitoVan: jasom: :-)
2016-08-13T05:14:26Z jasom: someone made a version of tetris that used the mini-max algorithm to always give you the worst possible next block
2016-08-13T05:14:42Z VitoVan: HAHA~
2016-08-13T05:15:01Z Bike: i mean, probably still harder than arkanoid.
2016-08-13T05:15:20Z VitoVan: jasom: nice talking with you jasom, I have to go get lunch, see you later, and everybody~
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2016-08-13T05:15:32Z jasom: VitoVan: enjoy, I'm off to bed soon
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2016-08-13T05:16:02Z jasom: https://qntm.org/hatetris there it is
2016-08-13T05:17:09Z jasom: zero randomness, zero speed tetris
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2016-08-13T06:04:38Z disingenuous: how do I loop through all the &key arguments in a function?
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2016-08-13T06:09:04Z Bike: have a &rest argument and look through that
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2016-08-13T07:01:12Z disingenuous: hmmm alright
2016-08-13T07:01:29Z disingenuous: thought maybe there was something built into CL to do that
2016-08-13T07:01:33Z disingenuous: thanks Bike
2016-08-13T07:01:56Z beach: There is.  It is &rest.
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2016-08-13T07:02:51Z Bike: it's, like, what it does. having a &rest means all the key arguments are collected into a list for you, that you can loop t hrough for whatever reason.
2016-08-13T07:03:22Z disingenuous: &rest is just a list that includes the :keywords themselves, correct?
2016-08-13T07:03:35Z H4ns: disingenuous: it is what we call a plist.
2016-08-13T07:03:42Z beach: disingenuous: It would not be reasonable to always make that list available.  Consider a call such as (F ... :FOO 1 :BAR 2 :FOO 3)
2016-08-13T07:03:48Z H4ns: disingenuous: (if what you provide in your call is a plist)
2016-08-13T07:04:03Z Bike: ((lambda (&rest keys &key a b) keys) :b 4 :a 5) => (:B 4 :A 5)
2016-08-13T07:04:08Z Bike: perfect for loopin
2016-08-13T07:04:09Z beach: disingenuous: Normally the :FOO 3 would be discarded by the call protocol.
2016-08-13T07:04:54Z disingenuous: ah nice
2016-08-13T07:05:07Z disingenuous: I see now
2016-08-13T07:05:18Z disingenuous: that's much nicer than I thought
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2016-08-13T08:16:20Z lisp885: hello i have a problem with slimv: i installed it under gentoo (emerge -av vim-app/slimv) when i open a .lisp file i get the error  that excuting "/usr/share/vim/vimfiles/ftplugin/lisp/slimv-lisp.vim":   on line 66 fails.
2016-08-13T08:16:29Z lisp885: E128: Function name must start with a capital or "s:": b:SlimvAutodetect( preferred )
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2016-08-13T08:33:47Z lisp885: on #gentoo they could lead me to https://bugs.gentoo.org/564292 so i gonna try to apply the patch
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2016-08-13T08:46:48Z bumblehead: Hi I usually visit this channel for advice on algorithms and general programming problem solving advice
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2016-08-13T08:47:24Z bumblehead: respectfully I would like to ask what the intelligent people in this channel think of bitcoin
2016-08-13T08:47:33Z bumblehead: or digital currencies in general
2016-08-13T08:47:48Z H4ns: bitcoin is off topic for #lisp
2016-08-13T08:48:01Z bumblehead: ok my apology
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2016-08-13T14:17:53Z lisp349: hello  its me  again. I still have trouble to get slimv working. Is there a good alternative to slimv that brings repl to vim? or is here some used to slimv? when i hit ",r" vim turns into a diffrent pane  everything is black, expect a cursor blinking at the bottom. if i hit "ctrl c" to return. the text in vim is as black as the backgound.
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2016-08-13T14:18:53Z dim: lisp349: I would try Slime in Spacemacs... http://spacemacs.org
2016-08-13T14:19:13Z dim: https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/tree/master/layers/%2Blang/common-lisp
2016-08-13T14:20:06Z lisp349: spacemacs looks like a trap from the emacs front to convert vim users :p
2016-08-13T14:20:29Z dim: yes and no, it really is what it says it is: a vim editor using the emacs framework
2016-08-13T14:21:06Z lisp349: so vim plugin do not work in it?
2016-08-13T14:22:00Z lisp349: i will have a look at it.
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2016-08-13T14:27:34Z fiddlerwoaroof:  lisp349 I use slimv all the time
2016-08-13T14:27:56Z fiddlerwoaroof: if you run :Lisp in a lisp file, do you get a repl?
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2016-08-13T14:31:50Z lisp349: fiddlerwoaroof: I get something similar pretty similar to what i get when i hit ",r"  the shell is shown for about half a second and i get that dark screen.
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2016-08-13T14:32:28Z fiddlerwoaroof: You might have to wait a little bit.  Does a lisp repl open up somewhere?
2016-08-13T14:33:28Z fiddlerwoaroof: When I do this in tmux, it opens a background tmux window titled something like "swank".  On OSX, it'll pop open a new terminal
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2016-08-13T14:35:00Z fiddlerwoaroof: p
2016-08-13T14:35:30Z lisp349: oh i was to impatient. after some time i see a red background on the bottom line "SWANK server is not running. Press ENTER to continue. "
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2016-08-13T14:36:31Z fiddlerwoaroof: Do you use NeoBundle or something similar?
2016-08-13T14:37:28Z fiddlerwoaroof: Try running sbcl --load $HOME/.vim/bundle/slimv/slime/start-swank.lisp and then doing :Lisp in vim
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2016-08-13T14:37:49Z fiddlerwoaroof: (run the first command in a separate terminal from vim)
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2016-08-13T14:39:30Z lisp349: i installed neovim parallel to vim. but use slimv with vim.i use vundle instead of bundle
2016-08-13T14:42:01Z lisp349: Couldn't load #P"/root/.vim/bundle/slimv/slime/start-swank.lisp": file does not exist.
2016-08-13T14:42:30Z lisp349: i guess i should adjust some configs so that slimv uses vundle instead of bundle or install bundle in paralell for slimv
2016-08-13T14:42:55Z fiddlerwoaroof: do this: cd ~/.vim && find -name start-swank.lisp
2016-08-13T14:43:47Z fiddlerwoaroof: Neovim has issues with slimv, so I generally don't use it.
2016-08-13T14:44:21Z lisp349: there is no output
2016-08-13T14:44:25Z lisp349: i use vim right now
2016-08-13T14:45:13Z lisp349: i just installed neovim to have a look at it  but if even the installation makes problems, i  will uninstall it
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2016-08-13T14:47:37Z fiddlerwoaroof: Where is slimv installed?
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2016-08-13T14:50:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: If you have the line Plugin 'kovisoft/slimv' in you .vimrc, there should be a directory $HOMD/.vim/bundle/slimv
2016-08-13T14:50:49Z fiddlerwoaroof: that is $HOME/.vim/bundle/slimv
2016-08-13T14:53:13Z lisp349: in ~/.vim/bundle is no slimv/ but a vim-slime/ vim-slime-syntax
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2016-08-13T14:54:41Z lisp349: i have no Plugin kovisoft/slimv in my .vimrc. I did think installing slimv via the packagemanager should be enough. Do i have to install it via vims plugin manager in addition?
2016-08-13T14:55:20Z fiddlerwoaroof: Yeah, uninstall the system version and install it with vim's plugin manager
2016-08-13T14:55:30Z fiddlerwoaroof: (at least, that's what I would do)
2016-08-13T14:56:21Z lisp349: ok thanks  ( is that a general suggestion or vim plugins or just if they make trouble?)
2016-08-13T14:56:25Z lisp349: *for
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2016-08-13T14:57:25Z fiddlerwoaroof: As a general rule, I prefer to install my vim plugins vim's plugin manager.
2016-08-13T14:57:39Z fiddlerwoaroof: It makes it easier to move your vim setup to a different 3m6achine63
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2016-08-13T15:20:55Z lisp248: im the same person with the slimv problem. i installd slimv now via vundle
2016-08-13T15:21:48Z fiddlerwoaroof: I have to go pretty soon
2016-08-13T15:21:54Z lisp248: swank is still not running. when i close vim i see this message: error connecting to /tmp/tmux-0/default (Permission denied)
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2016-08-13T15:23:15Z lisp248: fiddlerwoaroof: thanks for your help anyway now i can try to solve the permission problem and hope that slimv runs :)
2016-08-13T15:24:34Z lisp248: fiddlerwoaroof:  porbably the problem is that it would nest tmux ( im logged in to my machine via ssh and tmux and if i slimv wants to start another tmux that could be bad)
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2016-08-13T16:16:29Z sjl: is there a way to macroexpand-1 an iterate clause without fully macroexpanding an entire iterate form?
2016-08-13T16:17:18Z sjl: e.g. (macroexpand-1 '(iter (for foo :my-driver bar))) expands EVERYTHING so you see the iterate TAGBODY and such, which I don't care about
2016-08-13T16:17:47Z sjl: I just want to see the progn my (for .. :my-driver ...) is returning
2016-08-13T16:18:13Z sjl: but since it doesn't define a normal macro I can't just macroexpand that (for ...)
2016-08-13T16:19:20Z jackdaniel: sjl: (for …) may be parsed by iter macro, so it may not be a standalone macro on it's own rights
2016-08-13T16:19:29Z sjl: yeah that's the problem
2016-08-13T16:19:38Z jackdaniel: that said slime has some functionality to macroexpand parts of the sexpression
2016-08-13T16:19:44Z sjl: I was hoping iterate would have a custom function that would macroexpand it for me or something
2016-08-13T16:19:51Z jackdaniel: but as already said it may not work
2016-08-13T16:20:06Z jackdaniel: ah, I think it's unlikely
2016-08-13T16:20:38Z sjl: hmmm
2016-08-13T16:20:39Z sjl: (macroexpand-1 '(defmacro-driver (FOR v FOO x)))
2016-08-13T16:20:46Z sjl: (DEFMACRO CLAUSE-FOR-FOO-1 (&KEY ((:FOR V)) ((:FOO X)) GENERATE))
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2016-08-13T16:21:00Z sjl: it does seem to define an actual macro, just with a mangled name
2016-08-13T16:21:05Z sjl: so maybe I can just macroexpand that
2016-08-13T16:21:51Z jackdaniel: yeah, that will probably work
2016-08-13T16:22:05Z sjl: wait that 1 isn't the arity
2016-08-13T16:22:11Z sjl: it's some kind of global counter
2016-08-13T16:22:27Z sjl: if I run that macroexpand again it's clause-for-foo-2
2016-08-13T16:22:29Z sjl: lmao
2016-08-13T16:22:44Z jackdaniel: heh
2016-08-13T16:23:06Z sjl: well that's horrifying
2016-08-13T16:24:02Z jackdaniel: I wonder what does it need for the previous definitions of FOO
2016-08-13T16:24:09Z jackdaniel: FOR°
2016-08-13T16:24:56Z sjl: so every time I re-eval a (defmacro-driver ...) another macro gets created and hangs around forever in memory
2016-08-13T16:24:58Z sjl: cool
2016-08-13T16:26:42Z sjl looks for the iterate source code
2016-08-13T16:26:52Z sjl: oh it's in a darcs repo
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2016-08-13T16:27:19Z jackdaniel: to be honest if I need some specific construct for iteration I wrap a macro around DO, but usually DO + COLLECT are sufficient
2016-08-13T16:27:29Z jackdaniel: ^_^
2016-08-13T16:28:22Z sjl: I'm trying to write something that'll let me iterate over a multidimensional array without having to use nested (iterate ...)'s
2016-08-13T16:28:44Z sjl: like I want to be able to say (iterate (for (val x y) :in-array heightmap) ...)
2016-08-13T16:30:44Z sjl: well I have a workaround... put an unused var in the driver so CCL spews a compiler warning with the name of the macro, then edit my sample form to fix the number and macroexpand it
2016-08-13T16:30:46Z sjl: good lord
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2016-08-13T16:32:03Z Grue``: you can iterate by major-row-aref
2016-08-13T16:32:16Z sjl: Grue``: yeah I have a driver for that, I want the x and y coords though
2016-08-13T16:32:21Z sjl: (sometimes)
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2016-08-13T16:32:53Z Grue``: that can be calculated from the index
2016-08-13T16:34:09Z sjl: yes, which I want to wrap up into an iterate driver so I don't ahve to do it by hand
2016-08-13T16:34:25Z sjl: and I'd like to be able to see what my driver looks like as I try to write it
2016-08-13T16:34:35Z sjl: hence trying to macroexpand an iterate driver
2016-08-13T16:35:48Z jackdaniel: I think I've seen somewhere map-array, but it's not in the alexandria
2016-08-13T16:38:18Z sjl: I want an iterate driver so I can combine it with all the other nice iterate stuff
2016-08-13T16:39:35Z jackdaniel: yes, I understand, just saying that you could use it in your iterate driver
2016-08-13T16:39:43Z jackdaniel: but I can't remember where I saw it :(
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2016-08-13T16:40:37Z sjl: yeah doesn't seem to be in alexandria or quickutils :(
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2016-08-13T16:42:13Z jackdaniel: fwiw there is http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4116069/lisp-multidimensional-array-elementwise-operations
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2016-08-13T16:43:00Z jackdaniel: fwiw – does it mean "for what it's worth" or "for what I've witnessed"? it just occured to me that both expansions are possible (I meant the former)
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2016-08-13T16:43:45Z sjl: the first
2016-08-13T16:43:55Z jackdaniel: thanks
2016-08-13T16:44:40Z sjl: yeah all three of those ways just map over the values, without binding the indices
2016-08-13T16:44:53Z sjl: my use case is I have an array of tiles that I want to draw on the screen
2016-08-13T16:45:20Z sjl: so I want something like (iterate (for (contents x y) :in-array tiles) (draw-tile contents x y)))
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2016-08-13T16:49:44Z fourier: sjl: (loop for i from 0 below (length tiles) do (draw-title (nth i tiles) x (* i 50)) ?
2016-08-13T16:50:23Z sjl: fourier: I don't want to hard-code the row length in there...
2016-08-13T16:50:27Z jackdaniel: maybe something like this? http://paste.lisp.org/display/323049
2016-08-13T16:50:35Z jackdaniel: (it's just a sketch, probably doesn't work)
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2016-08-13T16:50:45Z fourier: sjl: it is just an example, you have to calculate it :)
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2016-08-13T16:51:43Z fourier: or dotimes like jd mentioned
2016-08-13T16:51:51Z sjl: jackdaniel: that'll kinda work, but ideally I want it to work with any number of dimensions, and also support the (generate ...) iterate stuff
2016-08-13T16:52:14Z sjl: so the lisp iteration with (dotimes) won't work because it won't let you use iterate's generate
2016-08-13T16:52:50Z sjl: I can write the actual driver, I was just hoping there was a way to make the process fo writing drivers in general less painful by being able to macroexpand themn
2016-08-13T16:53:01Z jackdaniel: right
2016-08-13T16:53:07Z fourier: aah
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2016-08-13T17:24:39Z sjl: my god, it's beautiful http://paste.lisp.org/display/323053
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2016-08-13T17:28:06Z sjl: jackdaniel: fourier: abandon all hope, ye who enter here http://paste.lisp.org/display/323053#1
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2016-08-13T17:30:48Z jackdaniel: :-)
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2016-08-13T17:34:03Z sjl: even works with zero-dimensional arrays, though it does produce some unused var warnings
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2016-08-13T17:34:33Z sjl: actually I should fix those
2016-08-13T17:34:52Z sjl: then you could just say (for (val) :in-array foo) if you don't care about the indexes
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2016-08-13T17:43:17Z jackdaniel: sounds very nice
2016-08-13T17:43:25Z jackdaniel: does iterate have some iterate-extras repository?
2016-08-13T17:43:46Z jackdaniel: well done
2016-08-13T17:43:55Z knobo: I forkeed cl-cron.
2016-08-13T17:44:01Z knobo: Maybe I should change it's name
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2016-08-13T17:44:38Z sjl: jackdaniel: I've gota bunch of iterate stuff in my little utils library
2016-08-13T17:44:59Z sjl: https://github.com/sjl/cl-losh/blob/master/losh.lisp#L389
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2016-08-13T17:45:00Z jackdaniel: maybe it would be nice to clean them up in one lib
2016-08-13T17:45:08Z jackdaniel: iterate/extras for instance
2016-08-13T17:45:13Z sjl is particularly fond of the averaging and timing iterate clauses
2016-08-13T17:45:41Z sjl: (iterate (timing real-time since-start-into total per-iteration-into current) ...)
2016-08-13T17:45:55Z knobo: Is
2016-08-13T17:45:57Z Arathnim: sjl: That sounds amazing.
2016-08-13T17:46:02Z knobo: is Mackram Raydan evher here?
2016-08-13T17:46:16Z Arathnim: Where can I get the source for those?
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2016-08-13T17:46:24Z sjl: Arathnim: the link I just pasted :)
2016-08-13T17:46:57Z Arathnim: Whoops, missed it entirely. Thanks :P
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2016-08-13T17:47:30Z sjl: (iterate (timing run-time :per-iteration-into time) (averaging time :into average-time) ...do some heavy stuff... (finally (format t "Average loop time ~a" average-time)))
2016-08-13T17:48:18Z sjl: I need to add docstrings for these drivers
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2016-08-13T19:17:06Z drmeister: How do people work with adjustable arrays?
2016-08-13T19:18:05Z drmeister: Let's say I want to load a table with an unknown number of rows - I'd like to use a two-dimensional array where the columns are the fields and the rows are the rows of the table on successive lines of the file I'm loading the table from.
2016-08-13T19:18:45Z drmeister: I have to explicitly keep adjusting the size of the array to create space for the incoming rows but I don't want to do it for every line - that would be slow.
2016-08-13T19:19:46Z drmeister: Should I start with a reasonable sized array (256 rows) and keep doubling the number of rows (using adjust-array) when I run out and then at the end do an adjust-array to set the array to the final size?
2016-08-13T19:20:48Z Grue``: I think a sufficiently smart implementation might do the doubling by itself
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2016-08-13T19:21:18Z Grue``: or else using vector-push-extend would be very inefficient
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2016-08-13T19:28:59Z Bike: vector-push-extend takes an extension argument, so you could just have it be the length
2016-08-13T19:29:17Z Bike: though it might be the default
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2016-08-13T19:33:31Z drmeister: Does vector-push-extend work with 2d arrays?
2016-08-13T19:43:18Z Grue``: vectors can be only 1d arrays
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2016-08-13T19:48:32Z Bike: wait, what is "the final size"
2016-08-13T19:48:41Z Bike: if not just whatever fits
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2016-08-13T20:49:12Z drmeister: The final size is the number of rows that I read from the file.
2016-08-13T20:49:37Z drmeister: The data looks like this:
2016-08-13T20:49:44Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/l7B6iotn/
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2016-08-13T20:50:30Z drmeister: I read the file line by line.   When I hit an !entry.xxx   I use the "table str name ..." info to construct a 2d array to store the table.
2016-08-13T20:51:00Z drmeister: I don't know at the start how many lines like:   "HH31" "HC" 0 1 131072 1 1 0.076010  I will see before I hit the next !entry... line.
2016-08-13T20:51:39Z drmeister: Currently I use a vector of vectors and vector-push-extend for each line of data.
2016-08-13T20:52:07Z drmeister: But a 2D array would be more efficient.   Some of these are large solvent boxes and a vector of vectors would be better represented using a 2D array.
2016-08-13T20:52:23Z drmeister: Perhaps it's a premature optimization.
2016-08-13T20:54:22Z drmeister: But I thought if I (make-array '(<#fields> 256) :adjustable t) and then use (adjust-array...) to make it larger in big steps every time I fill it up then I could use a 2D array.
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2016-08-13T20:58:38Z dim: drmeister: load into statically sized arrays, grow a collection of them, and concatenate them at the end
2016-08-13T20:59:05Z dim: drmeister: https://github.com/qitab/qmynd/blob/master/src/wire-protocol/wire-packet.lisp#L209
2016-08-13T20:59:47Z drmeister: Oh yes - that's a good idea - I've never seen that before.
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2016-08-13T21:00:10Z dim: stassats has good ideas like that ;-)
2016-08-13T21:02:30Z drmeister: Maybe I don't even need to concatenate them at the end.   I only have to iterate over their contents.   I could write an iterator that would leap from one subarray to the next.
2016-08-13T21:06:15Z dim: that's about what we do in the qmynd MySQL driver, reading over the socket as needed, except for the case of runaway data that we need to fetch now and that is using the concatenate vector idea
2016-08-13T21:06:42Z dim: as a driver tho there
2016-08-13T21:06:44Z dim: oops
2016-08-13T21:07:05Z dim: as a driver tho there's something appealing in only keeping a low number of bytes at a time needed in memory
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