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2016-06-20T04:14:26Z Rinzlit: Hello, what do the people here use for web frameworks?
2016-06-20T04:16:12Z loke: Rinzlit: Lofn
2016-06-20T04:16:30Z loke: Rinzlit: That's my own. And I think a lot of people use their own. It's easy enough in Lisp.
2016-06-20T04:17:01Z loke: Most of the things people expect from a "web framework" are things that are whipped together in a matter of minutes in Lisp.
2016-06-20T04:18:36Z Rinzlit: Oh, interesting. Thank you very much loke.
2016-06-20T04:19:46Z loke: Other than that. I can think of a few others, like Uncommon Web
2016-06-20T04:22:12Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-06-20T04:22:18Z loke: Hello beach!
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2016-06-20T04:28:50Z Rinzlit: Good morning ^^
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2016-06-20T04:43:08Z jasom: yeah, I accidentally wrote a routing layer for my webapp
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2016-06-20T04:49:19Z loke: In mine, I simply specify a regex for the url part:
2016-06-20T04:50:09Z loke: Here's an example of use:
2016-06-20T04:50:10Z loke: https://github.com/cicakhq/potato/blob/master/src/potato/api.lisp#L182
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2016-06-20T04:52:33Z jasom: I specify an optima pattern (which can use cl-ppcre) https://github.com/jasom/cl-fccs/blob/master/src/clackup.lisp#L223
2016-06-20T04:52:51Z jasom: since clack gives you a plist to describe the request, it works quite nicely
2016-06-20T04:53:47Z jasom: I started out with just a giant optima:match expression.  Then I put the body of each rule into its own function to make backtraces easier to read.  Then I factored out the definition into a macro.  At that point I realized I had a routing library.
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2016-06-20T05:00:30Z jasom: Rinzlit: and to answer your question, it seems most people who build their own frameworks do so on top of either hunchentoot or clack.  Hunchentoot is a webserver written in lisp.  Clack is a library written to abstract away differences between various web servers.
2016-06-20T05:00:45Z jasom: Rinzlit: I also have heard good things about hu.dwim, but haven't used it myself.
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2016-06-20T05:53:30Z Puercopop: you can use parts of hu.dwim with either clack or hunchentoot or wookie, an web server built on top of libuv. I recommend the ORM, hu.dwim.perec
2016-06-20T05:53:44Z Puercopop: (if you are using an ORM that is)
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2016-06-20T12:58:40Z therik: oh ok..
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2016-06-20T12:59:12Z therik: is there some tool for syntax highlighting defined symbos for slime?
2016-06-20T12:59:25Z therik: like highlight-defined for elisp, but talking to CL image
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2016-06-20T13:51:00Z jackdaniel: therik: it would be a bad idea, since almost everything there is a defined symbol
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2016-06-20T14:01:18Z therik: jackdaniel: so almost everything will be highlighted, what's bad about that idea?
2016-06-20T14:02:00Z jackdaniel: what's the point?
2016-06-20T14:02:20Z therik: perhaps it could highlight things differently, cl-user might be one color, that's where most of the stuff will be and user defined packages another color
2016-06-20T14:02:25Z jackdaniel: "highlighted is a new normal" sounds as absurd as "green is a new black"
2016-06-20T14:02:52Z jackdaniel: well, maybe not *that* absurd :-)
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2016-06-20T14:03:32Z moore33: I think slime-based tooltips would be a better idea.
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2016-06-20T14:04:07Z therik: the "almost" in "almost everything" is important, I doubt there are defined misspellings like mapocn, lsit, cnos, etc..
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2016-06-20T14:04:55Z jackdaniel: therik: but highlighting is for reading code, not for correcting it. For that you may have an underline (ie if symbol isn't defined)
2016-06-20T14:05:05Z jackdaniel: highlight is to make things more readable
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2016-06-20T14:05:28Z jackdaniel: and I think that slime already does that in a buffer
2016-06-20T14:05:36Z jackdaniel: when you compile function
2016-06-20T14:05:56Z therik: jackdaniel: ah I see your point... well, i'd like to have my user defined stuff highlighted differently, but underlining might be as good as highlighting for system defined things
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2016-06-20T14:06:47Z therik: i guess it would be pretty impossible to have linter for code that can generate side effects while being read
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2016-06-20T14:09:16Z ym: Is there a McCLIM-based window manager?
2016-06-20T14:09:58Z jackdaniel: ym: there isn't. But there is stumpwm (window manager in Common Lisp)
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2016-06-20T14:10:39Z ym: Yep, I use it.
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2016-06-20T14:11:31Z jackdaniel: I think gabriel_laddel uses stumpwm CL integration extensively to interact with McCLIM
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2016-06-20T14:11:38Z jackdaniel: and vice-versa
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2016-06-20T14:38:18Z porky11: if I define a class, that inherits from class, which methods do I have to define?
2016-06-20T14:39:12Z jackdaniel: porky11: none
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2016-06-20T15:00:16Z Zhivago: You'll need to define any methods that operate differently upon the subclass than the superclass.
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2016-06-20T16:27:34Z jasom: porky11: also, if you're coming from C++, know that managing external resources with dynamic extent is usually done via a with- macro rather than RAII and object destructors.
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2016-06-20T16:28:50Z jasom: (It's unrelated to your question, other than the question sounding like something someone coming from one of Java/C++/C# would ask)
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2016-06-20T17:24:41Z kdridi_: hi, i'm quite a new user of quicklisp and i didn't get something
2016-06-20T17:24:41Z kdridi_: i've followed the install process : (quicklisp-quickstart:install) and  (ql:add-to-init-file)
2016-06-20T17:24:41Z kdridi_: i've created a project like that : (ql:quickload :quickproject) (quickproject:make-project "~/src/lisp/swatchblade/" :depends-on '(cepl)) (ql:quickload "swatchblade")
2016-06-20T17:24:41Z kdridi_: but when i leave sbcl and come back the command (ql:quickload "swatchblade") doesn't work
2016-06-20T17:24:41Z kdridi_: it says : System "swatchblade" not found even if i launch sbcl from "~/src/lisp"
2016-06-20T17:24:43Z kdridi_: why? what did i forget?
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2016-06-20T17:27:27Z AeroNotix: is src/lisp/swatchblade part of the source registry paths?
2016-06-20T17:27:36Z AeroNotix: looks like you're following: http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html
2016-06-20T17:27:56Z AeroNotix: you should make sure that ASDF2 knows to check that directory for lisp projects
2016-06-20T17:28:10Z AeroNotix: kdridi_: ^^
2016-06-20T17:28:51Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: can you please link me to the recent news article you made?
2016-06-20T17:29:05Z AeroNotix: talking about the android stuff
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2016-06-20T17:29:51Z AeroNotix: https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/ ah this I think
2016-06-20T17:30:50Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/#orgheadline18 in 3.2.1 you mention that "Steel Bank Common Lisp now runs on Android, but SBCL as a whole cannot yet be loaded as a dynamic shared library."
2016-06-20T17:31:07Z AeroNotix: is there talk of SBCL itself being able to be loaded as a dynamic shared library?
2016-06-20T17:31:18Z AeroNotix: the "yet" indicates that you believe there is
2016-06-20T17:31:25Z AeroNotix: I would like to see/read about that
2016-06-20T17:31:46Z jackdaniel: AeroNotix: this part is written by David O'Toole
2016-06-20T17:31:51Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: oh ok, sorry
2016-06-20T17:31:57Z jackdaniel: you may query him on irc (his nick is dto)
2016-06-20T17:32:11Z AeroNotix: thanks
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2016-06-20T17:32:24Z jackdaniel: also I think stassats was mentioning it a few months ago
2016-06-20T17:32:25Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: not online :|
2016-06-20T17:32:34Z jackdaniel: (sbcl as a lib) but don't remember the context
2016-06-20T17:32:44Z AeroNotix: not online either! Gah! All these people have lives or something?!
2016-06-20T17:32:45Z jackdaniel: what do you think about the Volume IV? :-)
2016-06-20T17:33:17Z AeroNotix: it's interesting. Sounds complicated doing all that, though. I don't know how useful it is besides something akin to "We got doom running on a potato!"
2016-06-20T17:33:17Z jackdaniel: stassats is online (at least his session is)
2016-06-20T17:33:44Z AeroNotix: thx
2016-06-20T17:33:51Z Puercopop: AeroNotix: there was talk about SBCL as a dynamic library some time ago in sbcl-devel
2016-06-20T17:33:57Z jackdaniel: ah, I was curious also about your opinion on the other issues :P
2016-06-20T17:34:36Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: I'll re-read it to get myself familiar again. I read it last week and made a note to ask you about the sbcl thing
2016-06-20T17:34:47Z jackdaniel: right
2016-06-20T17:35:01Z jackdaniel: dto is often online on #lispgames and lately on #ecl
2016-06-20T17:35:01Z Puercopop: and I may be misremembering but the Bazel article mention something
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2016-06-20T17:36:16Z jackdaniel: AeroNotix: if you want to tinker with cl on android you may try this beta (https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/static/files/prebuilt/EclAndroid-0.0.1.apk) – I have some improvements localy, but they need some cleanup
2016-06-20T17:36:26Z jackdaniel: I'm afk, have a nice afternoon o/
2016-06-20T17:36:29Z Puercopop: AeroNotix: this points to a WIP in patch http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.steel-bank.devel/19663/focus=19664
2016-06-20T17:36:35Z AeroNotix: jackdaniel: nara
2016-06-20T17:37:23Z AeroNotix: Puercopop: thanks
2016-06-20T17:38:04Z AeroNotix: Puercopop: oh I saw this, the patch is for building sbcl as a static lib
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2016-06-20T17:47:43Z Puercopop: AeroNotix: yeah, sorry I was mis-remeberin
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2016-06-20T17:49:18Z zfx: hi all -- I am trying to debug a failure in a bound condition handler, but do not see it as part of the stacktrace when it fails -- the point where SIGNAL is called is at the top of the stack
2016-06-20T17:49:31Z zfx: this is SBCL 1.3.5
2016-06-20T17:49:57Z zfx: and I'm using SLIME (just checking what version)
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2016-06-20T17:50:40Z zfx: 2.18
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2016-06-20T17:51:18Z zfx: just wondering if there was a way to see the stackframe for code being run inside the signal handler
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2016-06-20T19:22:25Z porky11: jasom: I already know lisp pretty good, I use it for a few years, was the first language I really liked, so I know the with-macros ^^
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2016-06-20T19:28:46Z jasom: porky11: cool :)
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2016-06-20T20:07:32Z phoe_krk: Is there an ONLY-ONE-OF predicate?
2016-06-20T20:07:47Z phoe_krk: Like - given some variables, it returns true only when exactly one of them is true.
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2016-06-20T20:11:29Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: you could build one with a collect-if
2016-06-20T20:12:04Z Puercopop: or use remove-if(-not) and count the length of the sequence
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2016-06-20T20:18:52Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: http://paste.lisp.org/+6U0Z
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2016-06-20T20:39:54Z phoe_krk: I need to create a series of code chunks with a macro. Is there any sort of MAPCAR that is able to take macros as arguments?
2016-06-20T20:40:47Z phoe_krk: Basically - I need to generate a few functions that I can put in FLET - but FLET itself is a special form so I cannot just put a macro in its function list.
2016-06-20T20:41:31Z White_Flame: (generate-flet (...) (flet ((normal-stuff () ...))  ...body...)
2016-06-20T20:41:57Z White_Flame: you don't need to combine macro-generated functions and hand-written functions in the exact same FLET form; just nest them
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2016-06-20T20:46:23Z phoe_krk: White_Flame: http://paste.lisp.org/display/318852
2016-06-20T20:46:25Z phoe_krk: This is what I have.
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2016-06-20T20:46:30Z phoe_krk: The list below is my data.
2016-06-20T20:47:08Z phoe_krk: Each field of this list below is the arguments I want to feed to %filter.
2016-06-20T20:47:36Z White_Flame: I don't see FLET in here...
2016-06-20T20:48:22Z phoe_krk: White_Flame: F5, it's in the annotation.
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2016-06-20T20:50:02Z White_Flame: so what's the issue again?
2016-06-20T20:50:31Z phoe_krk: Look at the annotation.
2016-06-20T20:51:10Z phoe_krk: The (filter xyz) - I want these to be replaced by the output of (%filter xyz) macro.
2016-06-20T20:51:33Z White_Flame: then generate a macrolet instead of a flet
2016-06-20T20:52:10Z White_Flame: or, does it really matter?  in those let* bodies, the macro will run at compiletime
2016-06-20T20:52:25Z White_Flame: I'm not sure at what time you want to run which code
2016-06-20T20:52:33Z phoe_krk: skjdahsdg
2016-06-20T20:52:38Z phoe_krk: don't mind me - I'm going wrong somewhere.
2016-06-20T20:52:41Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: what is the problem you are trying to solve (not how to implement the solution you've decided its best)
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2016-06-20T20:55:53Z phoe_krk: Puercopop: http://paste.lisp.org/display/318852#2
2016-06-20T20:55:58Z phoe_krk: Code duplication.
2016-06-20T20:56:13Z phoe_krk: That's inside the FLET function declaration.
2016-06-20T20:59:10Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: so you want to retrieve some chat messages from one (or more servers?) and then filter some messages? Why not use :around methods for filtering?
2016-06-20T21:00:19Z phoe_krk: Puercopop: no. There's a CHAT object that holds a list of MESSAGE objects. There's a FIND-MESSAGES method that is meant to get the list of all messages and filter it according to the keys provided.
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2016-06-20T21:01:17Z phoe_krk: I might want to call (FIND-MESSAGES CHAT :SENDER "BOB" :CONTENTS "pasta") and it will return a list of all messages from BOB that contain "pasta".
2016-06-20T21:01:33Z phoe_krk: But there's substantial code duplication there.
2016-06-20T21:02:03Z jasom: phoe_krk: simple example with reduce: http://paste.lisp.org/display/318853
2016-06-20T21:02:48Z jasom: to work on empty sequences you'd have to make x and y optional
2016-06-20T21:04:02Z phoe_krk: jasom: thanks, I already had it solved
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2016-06-20T21:11:30Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: I'm not seing why you need filter-by to be a written by a macroinside the defmethod. Or even by a macro. You can define filter-by-sender/recepient/etc outside the defmethod (and use macrolet to remove code duplication in the definition of filter-by functions)
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2016-06-20T21:50:02Z _death: therik: you can use an "internal" name for the constructor, say %make-foo, and define a make-foo function yourself
2016-06-20T21:50:36Z _death: of course that won't work well for structs that :include the struct
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2016-06-20T21:52:28Z phoe_krk: To hell with all this.
2016-06-20T21:52:44Z phoe_krk: My programming is one giant cycle.
2016-06-20T21:53:41Z phoe_krk: 1) Write some code. 2) End up noticing it's dirty as holy hell and stops making sense. 3) Start from scratch, craft a better layout, import and refactor previous code. 4) GOTO 1
2016-06-20T21:54:47Z _death: to iterate is human..
2016-06-20T21:55:18Z phoe_krk: _death: what's divine?
2016-06-20T21:55:22Z _death: recurse
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2016-06-20T21:56:12Z mordocai: phoe_krk: That cycle sounds pretty average for the perfectionist programmer on a hobbyist project.
2016-06-20T21:57:40Z phoe_krk: mordocai: well. ayup.
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2016-06-20T22:07:58Z emaczen: I've built two OSX applications with CCL but when I try to get them to run on another MAC I get the same error that I don't get when I run it on my MAC -- can anyone help me with this?
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2016-06-20T22:12:46Z phoe_krk: emaczen: linking the actual error message might affect our ability to help you.
2016-06-20T22:12:50Z mordocai: emaczen: Don't ask to ask :P. Pastebin your error and let people look at it when they have time.
2016-06-20T22:14:14Z emaczen: mordocai: People look at pastes?
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2016-06-20T22:14:28Z emaczen: mordocai: I mean, at a later point in time?
2016-06-20T22:14:43Z jasom: anyone know an efficient way to get sbcl to emit a rotate on an unsigned-byte 8?
2016-06-20T22:15:05Z emaczen: phoe_krk: It is giving me an index out of bounds error with an objective-c method
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2016-06-20T22:16:15Z mordocai: emaczen: Sometimes yeah, if you post the link in here. Usually by a later time it is a few minutes though i've seen responses hours after before. Many of us here log everything so we can go back through it later.
2016-06-20T22:16:41Z emaczen: mordocai: Cool, maybe I'll start logging as well.
2016-06-20T22:17:17Z mordocai: emaczen: I use ZNC as an IRC bouncer + logger. Works well for me (I run it on my VPS)
2016-06-20T22:17:28Z mordocai: Lets me log out/back in on various computers and still see history
2016-06-20T22:17:31Z emaczen: What is ZNC?
2016-06-20T22:17:46Z mordocai: http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
2016-06-20T22:19:41Z emaczen: mordocai: cool, I use ERC but I'm not sure if my computer goes idle what happens with the connection...
2016-06-20T22:21:39Z mordocai: emaczen: I use ERC to connect to ZNC.
2016-06-20T22:21:44Z mordocai: Which then connects here
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2016-06-20T22:28:01Z phoe_krk: Is there any way to iterate over all elements of an N-dimensional array?
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2016-06-20T22:30:38Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: major-row-index
2016-06-20T22:30:47Z emaczen: http://paste.lisp.org/+6U14
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2016-06-20T22:32:27Z phoe_krk: Puercopop: I can't see how it can work in my direction.
2016-06-20T22:32:42Z phoe_krk: Let's say I have a 2D array and I want to iterate through all of its elements in any order.
2016-06-20T22:33:03Z phoe_krk: (defvar *array* (make-array '(10 10))) ;; for example.
2016-06-20T22:34:43Z Puercopop: you get the the element with row-major-aref
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2016-06-20T22:35:28Z Puercopop: I always forget if there is a function that gives you the 'row-major length', but you can compute from the dimensions
2016-06-20T22:36:38Z mordocai: emaczen: If you rebuild the source on the other mac does it work? Can you make the source available or no?
2016-06-20T22:37:46Z emaczen: mordocai: I'm just copying and pasting the application
2016-06-20T22:38:02Z emaczen: mordocai: the application is just a folder
2016-06-20T22:38:16Z emaczen: mordocai: So it should stand alone.
2016-06-20T22:38:30Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: (loop :for index :upto (array-total-size *array*) :for element := (row-major-aref *array* index) ...)
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2016-06-20T22:43:24Z phoe_krk: Puercopop: yes, I got that one. Thanks.
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2016-06-20T23:37:22Z phoe_krk: Does the CL standard reader *always* intern read symbols with no portable option of toggling that behaviour off?
2016-06-20T23:37:30Z phoe_krk: (aside from the #:symbol case)
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2016-06-20T23:40:01Z _death: what do you mean no portable option..
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2016-06-20T23:40:30Z _death: you just said there's a way to cause the reader not to intern symbols
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2016-06-20T23:41:25Z phoe_krk: Like.
2016-06-20T23:41:26Z phoe_krk: Ughhh.
2016-06-20T23:41:57Z phoe_krk: I want (APPLE BANANA CHILI) to be read as (#:APPLE #:BANANA #:CHILI).
2016-06-20T23:42:08Z phoe_krk: Which means - without interning the symbols.
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2016-06-20T23:43:03Z _death: check out kaz kylheku's pkg macro
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2016-06-20T23:43:35Z phoe_krk: I want to use the Lisp reader to parse expressions that come from the outside world. Which means, unsafe expressions.
2016-06-20T23:44:04Z phoe_krk: So I need to secure myself against too long expressions, #. and internbombing.
2016-06-20T23:45:47Z _death: you may be working in the wrong abstraction level... consider using a container/sandboxing technology
2016-06-20T23:46:29Z phoe_krk: _death: I don't want to evaluate any of these expressions, I want to treat them as data.
2016-06-20T23:46:43Z phoe_krk: So I doubt I'll need an actual sandbox for that.
2016-06-20T23:46:52Z _death: so you don't want the Lisp reader, but your own reader
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2016-06-20T23:48:05Z phoe_krk: Hmmm.
2016-06-20T23:48:16Z phoe_krk: Basically a variation of the Lisp reader.
2016-06-20T23:48:29Z _death: I believe pjb has a portable Lisp-like reader
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2016-06-20T23:49:26Z phoe_krk: !
2016-06-20T23:49:28Z phoe_krk: Right.
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2016-06-20T23:50:25Z jasom: phoe_krk: what fraction of the lisp standard syntax to you want to support?
2016-06-20T23:50:44Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: sandboxing can help you disable system calls, so it helps you against #., but not against internbombing
2016-06-20T23:51:00Z _death: Puercopop: you can limit resources for that purpose
2016-06-20T23:51:03Z phoe_krk: jasom: I want to be able to parse sexpressions that contain numbers, floats, strings, symbols, lists.
2016-06-20T23:51:05Z Puercopop: is it in the headers?
2016-06-20T23:51:16Z phoe_krk: And keywords.
2016-06-20T23:51:27Z phoe_krk: Wait. Scratch that.
2016-06-20T23:51:28Z Puercopop: _death: but if you limit say memory, it still will crash your lisp program
2016-06-20T23:51:29Z phoe_krk: Just symbols.
2016-06-20T23:51:37Z jasom: well you need to decide what to do with symbols and keywords if you want to prevent internbombing
2016-06-20T23:51:46Z phoe_krk: Yes - I just won't intern them.
2016-06-20T23:51:55Z jasom: so you want to read symbols as strings?
2016-06-20T23:52:08Z _death: Puercopop: "your"? maybe the malcreant's ;)
2016-06-20T23:52:14Z phoe_krk: I want to read symbols as symbols that are not being interned.
2016-06-20T23:52:24Z jasom: so gensyms
2016-06-20T23:52:28Z phoe_krk: Yup.
2016-06-20T23:53:32Z jasom: parse-number is the place to go for parsing numbers; it is designed to be usable on untrusted inputs.  Other than that, just implementing the algorithm in the standard with only two macro characters #\" and #\( would be fairly quick to do.
2016-06-20T23:53:42Z phoe_krk: Hm, I see.
2016-06-20T23:53:55Z phoe_krk: I'll try doing it tomorrow.
2016-06-20T23:53:58Z phoe_krk: Thanks! Good night.
2016-06-20T23:54:16Z jasom: though you still have to deal with really long numbers
2016-06-20T23:54:19Z Puercopop: one way could be to create a temporary package and bind *package* to it before reading
2016-06-20T23:54:29Z Puercopop: but you'd stil have to disable : and :
2016-06-20T23:54:42Z jasom: no way to disable : with the standard lisp reader
2016-06-20T23:54:48Z jasom: this is one thing I would love to change about lisp
2016-06-20T23:56:03Z Puercopop: jasom: not w/o extensions, but pjb's reader has them
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2016-06-20T23:57:54Z Puercopop: jasom: btw are you implementing xorshit?
2016-06-20T23:58:28Z jasom: Puercopop: xorshift1024* and xroshiro128+
2016-06-20T23:58:56Z Puercopop: jasom: checkout rtoy's repo https://github.com/rtoy/lisperng/tree/master/xorshift
2016-06-20T23:59:38Z Puercopop: idk if xorshirt is already done though