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2016-06-04T00:10:36Z guicho: otjura: https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/4kj528/clbench_improvements/
2016-06-04T00:11:09Z guicho: otjura: specifically this: https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/static/files/misc/bench.html
2016-06-04T00:13:04Z otjura: hey thanks guicho
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2016-06-04T00:39:56Z jasom: here's an FFI question.  I have a function that returns a pointer, but I cannot touch the object it returns.  even foreign-address on it causes me to crash
2016-06-04T00:40:43Z jasom: https://github.com/orivej/pzmq/blob/master/c-api.lisp#L265  <-- that's the function, for what it's worth
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2016-06-04T01:39:23Z mfsa: hey, is there any regex library for lisp allowing me to use regex syntax from languages like perl or javascript?
2016-06-04T01:40:08Z edgar-rft: mfsa: <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/>
2016-06-04T01:40:56Z mfsa: i was trying that but i need to put my regex in a string and cannot do /asdasd/ - this is particualrly annoying when using backslashes
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2016-06-04T02:28:02Z jasom found the issue.  The header that pzmq was groveling was for a different version of zmq than the library it was loading
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2016-06-04T02:36:34Z hemite: why is the sbcl repl such garbage?
2016-06-04T02:36:52Z hemite: I would use the clisp repl, but I only managed to get quicklisp to work in sbcl
2016-06-04T02:36:56Z hemite: but it is so bad
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2016-06-04T02:43:50Z Bike: mfsa: of course ppcre only takes strings. but you can use weitz's separate cl-interpol, which lets you use other delimeters and such.
2016-06-04T02:47:20Z jasom: hemite: because almost everyone that uses sbcl uses slime or something similar
2016-06-04T02:47:45Z hemite: jasom, so we're tying the language to a specifc IDE?
2016-06-04T02:47:55Z jasom: hemite: no, it's tied to *any* ide
2016-06-04T02:48:22Z jasom: you can use slimv or whatever the clim one is called
2016-06-04T02:48:47Z jasom: hemite: if you don't want that, there's always rlwrap or linedit
2016-06-04T02:48:48Z hemite: but I can't run anything from the command line, apparently
2016-06-04T02:49:00Z hemite: yes I tried those
2016-06-04T02:49:12Z jasom: I use emacs -nw from the command line
2016-06-04T02:49:18Z hemite: Too bad I still have to hit C-d 8 times to qut a session
2016-06-04T02:49:29Z jasom: (sb-ext:quit)
2016-06-04T02:50:18Z hemite: but I can't even run that, when sbcl freezes
2016-06-04T02:50:28Z hemite: and makes me hit C-z ; kill -9 $PID
2016-06-04T02:50:58Z hemite: basically I'm tired of fighting CL anymore
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2016-06-04T02:55:43Z jasom: well I don't recall the last time I used the sbcl REPL, so its crappiness doesn't bother me
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2016-06-04T03:35:49Z jasom: TruePika: you can't have any unhandled errors in any threads with the debugger disabled.  Wrap your thread entry-points with a handler-bind that logs the error.
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2016-06-04T03:49:38Z ahungry: is there an existing library for easily accessing nested hash tables?  Similar to this: http://sprunge.us/SgVW?lisp ?
2016-06-04T03:50:34Z ahungry: The call to #'hash-access being one I quickly rolled up here http://sprunge.us/UQYb?lisp (but I don't want to pollute the package ecosystem with this kind of thing if its already been done better)
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2016-06-04T03:53:18Z Bike: i doubt that's ever been done. it would make more sense to just have a list of keys, anyway...
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2016-06-04T03:55:05Z ahungry: Yea, I guess it also removes the useless limitation I've essentially imposed on the functionality (all lowercase string keys)
2016-06-04T03:55:38Z ahungry: if I just stuck to (hash-access hash-table-variable '("some" "keys" :here 'any-keys))
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2016-06-04T05:05:30Z jasom: ahungry: rutilsx has a generic-elt that lets you chain more than just hash tables
2016-06-04T05:06:36Z jasom: (generic-elt hash-table "some" "keys" :here 'any-keys)
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2016-06-04T05:18:13Z ahungry: oh awesome, thanks
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2016-06-04T05:20:53Z pillton: I install patched systems in a ~/contrib folder.
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2016-06-04T12:23:04Z prion_: o/
2016-06-04T12:27:46Z pjb: some one on here!
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2016-06-04T15:44:19Z mm_: Does anyone know of a library to provide atoms (as in the concurrency references, like in Clojure)?
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2016-06-04T16:09:24Z samebchase: mm_: There are a few concurrency libraries out there, but none I'm aware of has a Clojure-ish API
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2016-06-04T16:10:28Z isoraqathedh: How do I dump an image into an executable in SBCL without having Quicklisp also stuck in the image? I am on Windows so I don't have buildapp.
2016-06-04T16:11:14Z XachX_: isoraqathedh: buildapp works fine on Windows.
2016-06-04T16:11:26Z isoraqathedh: Oh?
2016-06-04T16:11:31Z XachX_: Sure.
2016-06-04T16:11:32Z isoraqathedh: Hrm… I'll take a better look then.
2016-06-04T16:11:58Z XachX_: Let me know if you have trouble
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2016-06-04T16:15:59Z mm_: samebchase: Ah, thank you. Can you perhaps recommend something in CL that solves the same problem Clojure's atoms solve? I basically just want a reference but with just decent enough abstraction so I won't need locks.
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2016-06-04T16:16:15Z Grue`: isoraqathedh: you can load the code with asdf instead of quicklisp
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2016-06-04T16:18:17Z mm_: isoraqathedh: there's also the option of doing it yourself with #'save-lisp-and-die. http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Saving-a-Core-Image
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2016-06-04T16:18:47Z isoraqathedh: Yeah, that's what I did initially, but that bundles in ASDF and Quicklisp which bogs down the load times.
2016-06-04T16:19:32Z isoraqathedh: Oh hey, that worked fine, I think.
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2016-06-04T16:36:11Z XachX_: isoraqathedh: monofasls are an option I've seen some use.
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2016-06-04T16:45:54Z samebchase: mm_: I haven't used any concurrency libraries so far. Perhaps you can use the existing ones to write your own atom? What about https://github.com/cosmos72/stmx ?
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2016-06-04T16:53:11Z mm_: samebchase: Yup, I decided I'll just write my own, but I'll check out your link first. Thanks a lot! ^^
2016-06-04T16:55:09Z samebchase: mm_: Doesn't Clojure use STM internally? Also, let us know how that goes
2016-06-04T16:59:49Z mm_: samebchase: I never dug much into it but I believe so. Atoms shouldn't require any STM, however, it should be a simple matter of locking on access afaik.
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2016-06-04T17:05:51Z sjl: if anyone here is interested in prolog/logic programming I could use some advice on my implementation's UI: https://gist.github.com/sjl/1f4bb73967663af0f9276b491af84140
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2016-06-04T17:08:49Z TruePika: jasom: Okay
2016-06-04T17:09:18Z TruePika: hm, anyone here have experience with how fast SBCL is on PowerPC compared to CLisp?
2016-06-04T17:09:50Z TruePika: I might compile SBCL for PowerPC if it can end up being faster than CLisp
2016-06-04T17:11:21Z TruePika: I have an "old computer" (not actually a computer) over here which I've dedicated for long-running Lisp programs
2016-06-04T17:14:45Z TruePika: meh, where's the choke in this code...
2016-06-04T17:15:31Z phoe_krk: TruePika: it might be very fast compared to CLISP. As one person on the ELS put it, "and CLISP is an interpreter".
2016-06-04T17:15:35Z TruePika: ofc top(1) gives a single %wa for the entire system, versus per-process
2016-06-04T17:15:44Z phoe_krk: SBCL will compile natively if you manage to get its compiler running.
2016-06-04T17:16:01Z TruePika: I have no idea if disk waiting is from SBCL or MySQL
2016-06-04T17:16:33Z TruePika: phoe_krk: guess I'll boot up the Wii later
2016-06-04T17:16:38Z TruePika: :)
2016-06-04T17:17:07Z TruePika: meh, MySQL is the bottleneck
2016-06-04T17:17:16Z TruePika: the harder thing to optimize
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2016-06-04T17:18:14Z TruePika: I have a feeling I know what query is slow though; unfortunatly it is hard to speed up a table which has LONGTEXT
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2016-06-04T17:19:04Z TruePika goes to make sure there aren't unneccessary queries on that table...
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2016-06-04T17:21:24Z TruePika: now the question is how slow INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE is when the UPDATE is no-op
2016-06-04T17:21:54Z TruePika: honestly the Lisp part of all of this is easy compared to the MySQL side
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2016-06-04T17:24:41Z TruePika: ofc EXPLAIN doesn't help here :(
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2016-06-04T17:26:32Z TruePika: oh my, that LONGTEXT currently has a max length of 71,555 characters
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2016-06-04T17:27:27Z TruePika: not sure if I can actually speed up the MySQL side of things without reducing that length from the Lisp side
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2016-06-04T17:28:21Z TruePika: that column is HTML, so maybe I can strip some stuff out of it
2016-06-04T17:29:44Z TruePika: meh, and ofc since cl-libxml2 isn't thread-safe, it will make stuff even slower since it will bottleneck
2016-06-04T17:30:47Z TruePika: Lisp is useful for making large complex programs and libraries which are a hassle to optimize because your code is faster than MySQL :P
2016-06-04T17:31:39Z TruePika: though the main bottleneck I have appears to be disk access
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2016-06-04T17:32:26Z TruePika: waterdrop: One thing I like doing when making data files "by hand" for the Lisp reader is to #.() some code in to run
2016-06-04T17:32:43Z TruePika: so I have code which writes data to be READ in
2016-06-04T17:32:49Z TruePika: inside the file being READ
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2016-06-04T17:33:37Z TruePika: I don't have experience with defining reader macros, but theoretically they should allow something similar (as #. _is_ a reader macro)
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2016-06-04T17:34:52Z waterdrop: TruePika: Can't you get the same end result by having code that writes data to be taken in by the compiler?
2016-06-04T17:34:55Z Bike: waterdrop: it's basically just syntax. you can write a vector as #(foo bar whatever). you could make a macro and do (constant-simple-vector foo bar whatever) and they'd end up as the same value, but it's longer to write, is all.
2016-06-04T17:35:16Z TruePika: waterdrop: Yes, but that is a seperate file and can be harder to work with
2016-06-04T17:35:39Z TruePika: I think reader macros work for anything which is READ, while regular ones only work with stuff that is EVAL'd or something?
2016-06-04T17:35:43Z waterdrop: TruePika: Why does it have to be a separate file?
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2016-06-04T17:36:02Z waterdrop: Bike: I see. So reader macros don't really add anything fundamental over regular macros? It's more of a syntactic convenience?
2016-06-04T17:36:04Z Bike: reader macros are expanded by the reader. macros are expanded by the evaluator, compiler, and other form processors.
2016-06-04T17:36:32Z TruePika: waterdrop: make-foo.lisp generates foo.dat which is read by read-foo.lisp, versus foo.dat having some stuff which is defined as reader macros in read-foo.lisp
2016-06-04T17:36:37Z Bike: waterdrop: yeah. i mean, reading happens before evaluation, so you could introduce some ordering, but it's kind of ugly to do that generally.
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2016-06-04T17:37:20Z Bike: well, it's also true that reading can be a bit convenient...
2016-06-04T17:37:28Z waterdrop: Bike: hmm what do you mean by ordering? It just seems like I could trivially replace all reader macros with regular macros. They get expanded at compile time instead of read time, but the end result is the same.
2016-06-04T17:37:39Z Bike: you can do stuff like (quote #.(some code here)), and a macro in the #. position wouldn't be expanded.
2016-06-04T17:37:42Z TruePika: it can also be a waste to write that make-foo.lisp for a single application
2016-06-04T17:38:08Z Bike: waterdrop: i mean reading happens before compilation. so you could have stuff in the compiler depending on stuff from the reader.
2016-06-04T17:38:31Z TruePika: macro expansion is at compile time, right? Not read?
2016-06-04T17:38:42Z Bike: yes. or evaluation time, or whatever.
2016-06-04T17:38:42Z TruePika: macro as in DEFMACRO
2016-06-04T17:38:52Z TruePika: not reader
2016-06-04T17:39:14Z TruePika: so yeah, reader macros happen first, and independant of if whatever is code or not
2016-06-04T17:39:28Z Bike: i wouldn't, like, compare reader macros and regular macros, really. reader macros are part of the reader, which converts text into lisp code. macros are part of the evaluator/compiler/whatever, which operates on lisp code. they're different roles.
2016-06-04T17:39:44Z TruePika: ^
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2016-06-04T17:40:21Z pjb: mm_: in CL, you get atoms by calling GENSYM.
2016-06-04T17:40:39Z pjb: We don't need no sticking libraries, or reinventing a new language, GENSYM has be in LISP like forever!
2016-06-04T17:40:43Z pjb: +n
2016-06-04T17:41:02Z TruePika: well I just figured out a hackish way to optimize some of my MySQL interaction...
2016-06-04T17:41:31Z TruePika: involving DEFVAR (with some DECLARE SPECIAL to get rid of warnings)
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2016-06-04T17:42:13Z TruePika: yeah, it should bypass the need for the hash table lookup I also use
2016-06-04T17:42:41Z TruePika: I cache the query execution plans in a hash table, so they don't need to be computed again by MySQL
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2016-06-04T17:43:20Z TruePika: and now I also cache them in special variables for high-use parts of code
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2016-06-04T17:43:43Z pjb: TruePika: I made the choice of using clisp for my script well before I had a powerpc computer, notably for performance reasons.
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2016-06-04T17:44:14Z pjb: TruePika: and Paul Graham made hundreds of millions with clisp long before sbcl even existed.
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2016-06-04T17:44:48Z waterdrop: Okay, thanks for the explanation / help.
2016-06-04T17:44:50Z TruePika: (defmacro doublecache-query (query) (let ((symbol (gensym))) `(locally (declare (special ,symbol)) (defvar ,symbol (cache-query ,query)) ,symbol)))
2016-06-04T17:45:04Z TruePika: (where cache-query does the hash table part)
2016-06-04T17:45:27Z TruePika: yeah, this speeds things up quite a bit
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2016-06-04T17:45:59Z TruePika: though MySQL is still the bottleneck, and more so now since there is less time in Lisp looking up the execution plans
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2016-06-04T17:46:51Z TruePika: hm, this also speeds up the startup time
2016-06-04T17:47:00Z TruePika: somehow
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2016-06-04T17:47:20Z Bike: i'd probably write that as (if (boundp ',symbol) ,symbol (setf ,symbol (cache-query ,query))), since having defvar at non top level is a bit odd
2016-06-04T17:47:24Z mm_: pjb: By those atoms I'm referring to the thread-safe atomic reference types. I assume you mean atoms as in "non-consed" objects?
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2016-06-04T17:47:53Z TruePika: Bike: yeah, that was causing warnings from SBCL
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2016-06-04T17:48:11Z pjb: mm_: yes, this is what I mean.
2016-06-04T17:48:26Z pjb: You can consider symbols as references to the symbolized referent.
2016-06-04T17:50:53Z pjb: TruePika: consider: (defmacro d (x) `(progn ,x ,x))  (d (print 'hi)) #| --> hi hi |#   (eval `(d ,(if (zerop (random 2)) '(print 'hi) '(print 'hello))))
2016-06-04T17:51:19Z pjb: TruePika: since reader macros work from text streams, you would have to generate the expression using strings! (beuark)
2016-06-04T17:52:22Z pjb: TruePika: Something like: (eval (read-from-string (format nil "{d ~:[(print 'hi)~;(print 'hello)~]}" (zerop (random 2)))))
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2016-06-04T17:53:17Z pjb: TruePika: And notice how you could use ~A in the control string, with some data coming from the web browser, and you get a lisp injection!  Then you need PhDs to find solutions on how to avoid SQL injections.
2016-06-04T17:53:43Z TruePika: pjb: I actually had an accidential almost-SQL-injection
2016-06-04T17:53:50Z pjb: When the problem just doesn't present itself when you use sexp, which is a solved problem since 1959.
2016-06-04T17:54:24Z TruePika: I forgot to reverse a list, so I ended up generating queries with stuff like "SET ?=field1, ?=field2, UNHEX(?)=field3"
2016-06-04T17:54:25Z pjb: That said, reader macros can be useful sometimes, but you should be careful with them.
2016-06-04T17:54:49Z pjb: :-)
2016-06-04T17:54:59Z TruePika: then I get an error in my syntax near 'field1_data' which confused me a lot
2016-06-04T17:55:05Z pjb: You could have validated your sexp before generating the string.
2016-06-04T17:55:41Z mm_: pjb: the problem I'm having is that I need thread-safe assignments. I have a state on a thread, and I want to be able to change it from another, and without using locks.
2016-06-04T17:56:11Z TruePika: mm_: That is impossible unless the assignment can be atomic
2016-06-04T17:56:52Z mm_: That is indeed what I'm looking for. An atomic reference type :P but it seems I can't find one so I'll just write it myself.
2016-06-04T17:57:25Z TruePika: using locks in there?
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2016-06-04T17:57:36Z mm_: Yup
2016-06-04T17:57:42Z pjb: mm_: the point of atoms in lisp is that they are referenced. So can hope that all assignments in lisp are atomic.
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2016-06-04T17:58:00Z pjb: mm_: it could happen that the memory bus doesn't ensure that, but it would be very bad.
2016-06-04T17:58:01Z TruePika: heh, sounds like my WITH-MULTIPLE-THREADS macro for parallel processing
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2016-06-04T17:58:26Z TruePika: though probably easier
2016-06-04T17:58:57Z pjb: mm_: in any case, this would be a question for your implementer, whether setf variable … is atomic or not.
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2016-06-04T17:59:03Z TruePika: ^
2016-06-04T17:59:15Z pjb: (setf place … of course wouldn't, for more complex places).
2016-06-04T17:59:25Z mm_: pjb: Really? that's impressive tbh :P but I'd like a guarantee, it's for a program that's going to run indefinitely. And I'd also like it to be portable, so I think locks is the way.
2016-06-04T17:59:34Z pjb: (setf (aref v (incf i)) 42)
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2016-06-04T17:59:57Z mm_: TruePika: Your macro sounds interesting, what does it actually do? and yes I figure it should be very simple to implement atomic references. Just lock on access and done, I figure.
2016-06-04T18:00:13Z pjb: Implementations will usually compile (setf variable value) as a single memory store, so usually it'll be atomic.
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2016-06-04T18:00:55Z TruePika: mm_: It has a parent thread which issues work to child threads, which do the work and return it to the parent thread again. I'm currently using it for concurrent HTML downloads.
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2016-06-04T18:01:05Z mm_: pjb: Multiple concurrent writes to the same address could result in race conditions, however.
2016-06-04T18:01:26Z TruePika: it has locks all over the place, and it sometimes deadlocks for no apparent reason
2016-06-04T18:01:45Z TruePika: it also depends on SBCL for the lock implementation, so it isn't exactly portable
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2016-06-04T18:02:06Z mm_: TruePika: Oh wow that sounds really cool. Then I bet you could use an atomic reference too :P I use bt for threading and it has lock capabilities so maybe you should use that as-well.
2016-06-04T18:02:13Z pjb: You may also try (apropos "ATOMIC") in your implementation. eg. in ccl, we have a ccl::%atomic-swap-ptr (but I don't know how it relates to setf, and the :: and the % are strong indicators you should not use it anyways).
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2016-06-04T18:02:52Z mm_: pjb: Oh yeah that's a really good point. I'm using SBCL and it does in fact have atomic writes, but I'd like to maintain portability.
2016-06-04T18:03:23Z TruePika: mm_: There is only something like three variables shared between the threads; the number which are running, the work queue, and the result stack
2016-06-04T18:03:42Z TruePika: all three have locks, and the latter two have notification queues as well
2016-06-04T18:03:59Z pjb: mm_: my point is that the hardware may not give you the guarantee that writing a pointer to memory is atomic!
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2016-06-04T18:04:29Z mm_: TruePika: If you're still developing this I bet unifying the shared values would make things so much simpler.
2016-06-04T18:04:35Z pjb: mm_: therefore your expectation from an implementation to provide such an atomic write, would imply the implementations wraps ALL assignments in locks!
2016-06-04T18:04:36Z mm_: pjb: Really? even with locks? how come?
2016-06-04T18:04:37Z TruePika: "and it sometimes deadlocks" guess what just happened <_<
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2016-06-04T18:04:53Z pjb: mm_: for example, if your pointers are 32-bit and your memory bus is 16-bit.
2016-06-04T18:05:26Z pjb: There would be no lock because it would make it too slow if all setf were wrapped in a lock/unlock!
2016-06-04T18:05:31Z TruePika: time to get backtraces via gdb <_<
2016-06-04T18:06:31Z mm_: pjb: Wow this sorcery is beyond me. Where can I read and learn more about this?
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2016-06-04T18:06:54Z TruePika: nope, garbage-collection hang <_<
2016-06-04T18:07:14Z TruePika: I still have yet to figure out how that happens
2016-06-04T18:07:19Z pjb: mm_: Well, reading the reference manual of a few processors may help.  Taking special care of the bus signaling diagrams.
2016-06-04T18:07:20Z mm_: TruePika: Ouch XD maybe you should redesign and do more bottom-up work? it doesn't sound like it should be too hard to manage this state (but I don't know, of course).
2016-06-04T18:07:54Z TruePika: mm_: GC hang is worse
2016-06-04T18:08:03Z akkad: multithreaded gc ftw
2016-06-04T18:08:08Z TruePika: since it appears to happen for no reason at all
2016-06-04T18:08:13Z TruePika: normally there is no issue
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2016-06-04T18:08:51Z mm_: TruePika: maybe you should pre-allocate a memory block, and write to it instead of consing? or maybe even switch compiler? :P
2016-06-04T18:09:05Z TruePika: Compiler switch is out of the question
2016-06-04T18:09:14Z mm_: Aw I have to go. It was really fun talking to you guys, thanks a lot for everything!
2016-06-04T18:09:18Z TruePika: Preallocation...is probably out of the question
2016-06-04T18:09:43Z TruePika: I need to figure out why the GC hangs sometimes
2016-06-04T18:10:06Z pjb: mm_: the conclusion is that you want to use locks explicitely.
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2016-06-04T18:11:14Z TruePika: okay, looking at the backtrace, it appears GC was invoked from UTF8 string handling
2016-06-04T18:11:20Z TruePika: so preallocation isn't a solution
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2016-06-04T18:12:36Z TruePika should probably issue an OPTIMIZE TABLE in the meantime
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2016-06-04T18:14:05Z TruePika: this is inside SB-EXT:RUN-PROGRAM, so I have no control
2016-06-04T18:14:35Z TruePika: memory requested copying process output to a string
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2016-06-04T18:15:17Z TruePika: what the heck does gc_stop_the_world _do_?
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2016-06-04T18:15:47Z Bike: i believe it stops everything from messing with memory so that the gc can work in peace.
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2016-06-04T18:16:07Z Bike: might just stop every thread from executing.
2016-06-04T18:16:45Z TruePika: yeah, I have the code open
2016-06-04T18:17:03Z TruePika: meh, next time it hangs I'll get IP
2016-06-04T18:18:35Z TruePika: hm
2016-06-04T18:19:00Z TruePika: At least one thread was at SB-IMPL::SPAWN from SB-EXT:RUN-PROGRAM
2016-06-04T18:19:10Z TruePika: inside foreign function spawn()
2016-06-04T18:19:28Z TruePika: which _might_ have held everything else up
2016-06-04T18:19:58Z TruePika: versus being in sig_stop_for_gc_handler()
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2016-06-04T18:20:27Z Bike: honestly i'm a bit worried that you're in too deep. like, did you figure out why strace doesn't work for you even though it does for everything else? maybe you're missing something obvious.
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2016-06-04T18:29:03Z TruePika: Bike: Guess I'll try to find the strace issue
2016-06-04T18:29:44Z TruePika: compiling with all the debug I can, to get a better idea of what's happening inside sbcl leading up to memory fault
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2016-06-04T20:55:36Z TruePikachu: ...and I could have sworn I had this registered
2016-06-04T20:55:51Z TruePikachu: dang power went out, so my server (and primary IRC client) is down
2016-06-04T20:56:57Z TruePikachu: there we go, registered
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2016-06-04T21:00:43Z TruePikachu: ...well, I might have found one bottleneck in the MySQL side of things
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2016-06-04T21:01:21Z TruePikachu: a very weird execution plan involving a regexp on LONGTEXT
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2016-06-04T21:09:34Z Polyphony: are there any other lisp REPLs with tab-completion other than clisp?
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2016-06-04T21:15:56Z H4ns: Polyphony: slime has it, and so much more
2016-06-04T21:16:22Z Polyphony: I know it's sacrilege, but I just can't stand emacs
2016-06-04T21:16:31Z H4ns: Polyphony: so much more in fact that nobody gives the command line repl any love.
2016-06-04T21:16:38Z Polyphony: lol I figured
2016-06-04T21:16:39Z TruePikachu: Polyphony: yes
2016-06-04T21:16:44Z TruePikachu uses Vim
2016-06-04T21:17:09Z Polyphony: <3 vim
2016-06-04T21:17:42Z TruePikachu: well fsck moved onto my 2TB disk now
2016-06-04T21:17:56Z TruePikachu: this will be a while, the system is only 800MHz
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2016-06-04T21:18:33Z H4ns: maybe you want to re-think your choice of file system in addition to your choice of editor :D
2016-06-04T21:18:38Z Grue`: there needs to be a slime-clone that works in the lisp itself, sometimes it's a pain to create a swank server, ssh tunnels and all that stuff just to connect slime
2016-06-04T21:19:02Z TruePikachu: H4ns: somewhat hard to change the fs now
2016-06-04T21:19:11Z TruePikachu: and I have no problems with Vim
2016-06-04T21:19:33Z TruePikachu: (except some Lisp indentation stuff which I have been too lazy to fix properly, but I can fix)
2016-06-04T21:19:55Z TruePikachu: Emacs...well, that has a large number of problems
2016-06-04T21:20:34Z TruePikachu: (including its generous use of chords which are time-sensitive to enter)
2016-06-04T21:21:00Z Polyphony: indentation and highlighting in vim seem to work fine, along with autoclose & surround.vim it's been pretty smooth sailing
2016-06-04T21:21:17Z TruePikachu: Polyphony: Multiline docstrings.
2016-06-04T21:21:38Z Polyphony: hmm, haven't used those too much i guess :P
2016-06-04T21:23:15Z TruePikachu: Mysql, why are you insisting on regexing that LONGTEXT _before_ filtering the rows? You are doing a regex on EVERY SINGLE ROW...
2016-06-04T21:23:50Z TruePikachu: at this rate I might as well just do the regex in Lisp :P
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2016-06-04T21:48:04Z TruePikachu: lol the MySQL query optimizer, "SELECT 1 FROM (...) WHERE 'foo'='foo' AND (...)"
2016-06-04T21:49:06Z TruePikachu: Meanwhile my code hasn't crashed or hung...
2016-06-04T21:49:15Z TruePikachu: ...well, aside from the power outage killing network
2016-06-04T21:49:40Z TruePikachu: and causing FETCH-URL:DOWNLOAD-ERROR to get everywhere
2016-06-04T21:50:10Z TruePikachu: but that's intentional
2016-06-04T21:51:18Z TruePikachu: I should also probably rewrite FETCH-URL to use something like libcurl instead of SB-EXT:RUN-PROGRAM and wget
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2016-06-04T21:51:48Z TruePikachu: especially if the GC is hanging with a cause possibly related to SB-EXT:RUN-PROGRAM
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2016-06-04T22:00:33Z dim: see drakma, TruePikachu, it's a CL http client lib
2016-06-04T22:00:50Z dim: http://weitz.de/drakma/
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2016-06-04T22:02:37Z dim: Polyphony: it might be possible to use SLIME with SpaceMacs, an Emacs setup/dist that makes it usable as if it were vim
2016-06-04T22:02:44Z dim: http://spacemacs.org
2016-06-04T22:03:18Z dim: https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/tree/master/layers/%2Blang/common-lisp --- seems like it should just work
2016-06-04T22:03:34Z Polyphony: dim: I'll have a look, thanks for the link
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2016-06-04T22:55:21Z fiddlerwoaroof: Shinmera: is lquery's (text) form supposed to get the text of comment nodes?
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