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Again. 2016-06-03T00:47:49Z TruePika: PROCESS-SCRIPT has a lot commented out 2016-06-03T00:48:06Z aeth: reddit is very hit or miss depending on the subreddit 2016-06-03T00:48:24Z TruePika: and I don't think anything not commented out would have any real effect 2016-06-03T00:49:55Z 7GHAA84G9 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-03T00:50:35Z 14WAAGATC quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T00:50:42Z xantoz joined #lisp 2016-06-03T00:50:47Z TruePika: (defun process-script (script) (with-open-file (f (...) ...) (handler-bind (((or ...) ...)) (load script ...)))) ; This is the just of what it is right now 2016-06-03T00:51:13Z Bike: i thought you said you got it even without --sccript 2016-06-03T00:51:17Z TruePika: no stream-error handler, no handling-end-of-the-world, no maybe-skip-shebang, no stream rebinding... 2016-06-03T00:51:35Z TruePika: though I don't know what removing handling-end-of-the-world would have accomplished 2016-06-03T00:51:47Z TruePika: or maybe-skip-shebang 2016-06-03T00:54:16Z Polyphony quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T00:56:08Z TruePika: I'll probably see about hacking away at getting strace to work later 2016-06-03T00:57:55Z happy-dude quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-06-03T01:03:37Z Tristam joined #lisp 2016-06-03T01:03:37Z Tristam quit (Changing host) 2016-06-03T01:03:37Z Tristam joined #lisp 2016-06-03T01:04:28Z sweater_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T01:05:52Z npatrick` quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T01:06:36Z Petit_Dejeuner joined #lisp 2016-06-03T01:13:46Z jsmith_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T01:15:54Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-03T01:18:01Z DavidGuru quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T01:19:41Z DavidGuru joined #lisp 2016-06-03T01:20:52Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T01:21:03Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(html ) -> (:html (:head) (:body)) and then convert that lisp expression to string? 2016-06-03T05:51:21Z fiddlerwoaroof_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T05:52:42Z flip214: mfsa: http://www.cliki.net/cl-html-parse 2016-06-03T05:52:47Z fiddlerwoaroof_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T05:52:49Z flip214: or just use some XML parsing library 2016-06-03T05:53:33Z fiddlerwoaroof_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T05:53:34Z flip214: although typical HTML things like
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I used it just two days ago to implement a small trusted template engine proof-of-concept 2016-06-03T14:49:32Z varjag quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2016-06-03T14:49:59Z jsgrant` joined #lisp 2016-06-03T14:53:39Z axion: hello all. any ELS videos published yet? 2016-06-03T14:55:46Z jsmith_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T14:55:47Z narendraj9 joined #lisp 2016-06-03T14:56:16Z karswell` joined #lisp 2016-06-03T14:57:12Z tsp1 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T14:57:59Z moredhel quit (Quit: byee) 2016-06-03T14:58:06Z Xach: axion: yes 2016-06-03T14:58:14Z _death: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA66mD-6yK8xqd5XKxzwVBIqf1d3QQXpv 2016-06-03T14:58:24Z moredhel joined #lisp 2016-06-03T14:59:45Z warweasle_busy: What's the project that uses the Clasp to build C++ CFFI bindings? 2016-06-03T14:59:53Z jsmith_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-03T14:59:55Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:01:14Z axion: Thank you 2016-06-03T15:01:47Z moredhel quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-03T15:02:07Z moredhel joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:03:40Z SumoSudo joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:05:44Z pavelpenev quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:08:56Z papachan` joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:13:13Z Grue`: _death: the new age of progv is coming! 2016-06-03T15:14:26Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:15:33Z aries_liuxueyang joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:16:24Z bhyde joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:17:20Z HeyFlash: warweasle_busy: Your question is not quite clear. 2016-06-03T15:22:37Z jsmith_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:23:13Z jsgrant quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T15:23:20Z vydd_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:23:29Z jsgrant` is now known as jsgrant 2016-06-03T15:26:43Z gingerale joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:26:45Z warweasle_busy: HeyFlash: I thought there was a C++->lisp binding generator which uses Clang but, once generated can be used with any lisp. 2016-06-03T15:26:52Z vydd quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:27:39Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:27:45Z jsgrant: warweasle_busy: Part of the Clasp stack, or? 2016-06-03T15:28:07Z warweasle_busy: jsgrant: Maybe. I'm building Clasp just in case I find it. 2016-06-03T15:28:51Z HeyFlash: That does not exist. It might one day be possible to create C binding and appropriate CFFI bindings for other Common Lisps, but right now there is not even a binding generator for Clasp itself. 2016-06-03T15:29:30Z HeyFlash: Though the latter will certainly exist at some point. 2016-06-03T15:30:05Z vydd joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:30:05Z jsgrant: Seems like Clasp would be such a great way to get himself into C++ to at least a trivial degree. 2016-06-03T15:30:47Z warweasle_busy: Well, that was a waste of time then. 2016-06-03T15:30:57Z jsgrant: :^U 2016-06-03T15:31:32Z NeverDie joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:32:49Z jsgrant: warweasle_busy: It was a "learning experience^tm"? 2016-06-03T15:33:59Z jsgrant: You just have to frame things obnoxiously, to make it look like you are always being productive regardless of the reality that surrounds; if I've learned anything from glancing into the industry. 2016-06-03T15:34:15Z vydd_ quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:34:30Z NeverDie_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:34:59Z Neurostorm quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I was confused because warweasle_busy was specifically asking about Clasp at first. 2016-06-03T15:39:32Z jsgrant: moore33: Yeah, no idea of it's current status sorry. Have been lookingly tentatively at best -- from a far. :^P 2016-06-03T15:39:46Z moore33: No prob. 2016-06-03T15:39:53Z Trystam joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:40:47Z HeyFlash: more33: As a CL it is not as mature as established CLs like SBCL. But it is getting there. 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Once I moved to using asdf to compile the difference got much less so. 2016-06-03T15:48:50Z Grue`: the speed of compiling code is inversely proportional to the speed of executing said code 2016-06-03T15:48:55Z PuercoPop: HeyFlash: I assumed so, but I guess if someone has an urgent need for generating C++ bindings it is still better than nothing 2016-06-03T15:48:58Z HeyFlash: moore33: I don't know too much about the current state of the debugger (I'm still running an old version), but I think it is possible. Better to ask others on #clasp, though. 2016-06-03T15:52:26Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:54:50Z akkad: Grue`: if that was the case abcl would be the fastest :P 2016-06-03T15:55:04Z peter1 is now known as pecan 2016-06-03T15:56:59Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T15:58:42Z mathi_aihtam joined #lisp 2016-06-03T15:59:08Z tax quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T16:00:14Z fe[nl]ix: jdz: not any more 2016-06-03T16:00:36Z HeyFlash quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T16:04:02Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:04:02Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2016-06-03T16:04:02Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:07:02Z Xach: fe[nl]ix: what changed? 2016-06-03T16:08:35Z fe[nl]ix: SBCL'c compiler went from being an order of magnitude slower than CCL to only about 2x slower 2016-06-03T16:08:50Z fe[nl]ix: my benchmark being (time (ql:quickload :iolib)) 2016-06-03T16:09:34Z fe[nl]ix: and doug and stassats are doing great work making it faster 2016-06-03T16:09:56Z fe[nl]ix: whereas CCL has not seen much changes lately 2016-06-03T16:10:06Z al-damiri quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-06-03T16:10:20Z wccoder joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:11:27Z jdz: that's good news 2016-06-03T16:11:30Z Xach: Ok. I thought maybe they were on par or something. 2016-06-03T16:11:41Z Xach: 2x slower is better than 10x slower 2016-06-03T16:11:50Z jdz: 5x better! 2016-06-03T16:12:41Z asc232 joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:12:44Z fe[nl]ix: my comparisons started ~10 years ago, and maybe some of the improvement is due to my current laptop's CPU having a much bigger cache 2016-06-03T16:13:26Z fe[nl]ix: but still, if you have a recent computern and you're compiling mcclim, it doesn't make much difference 2016-06-03T16:13:27Z BitPuffin joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:13:33Z paule32_ left #lisp 2016-06-03T16:14:38Z NeverDie_ is now known as NeverDie 2016-06-03T16:14:53Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T16:15:19Z PlasmaStar quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:15:52Z PlasmaStar joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:16:57Z sepi: is there a reason not to always prefer let* over let? 2016-06-03T16:17:33Z al-damiri joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:17:35Z Jesin joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:17:43Z fe[nl]ix: Xach: wasn't the a Naggum reply to that question ? 2016-06-03T16:18:52Z des_consolado quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T16:19:14Z Grue`: sepi: (let ((x y) (y x)) ...) 2016-06-03T16:20:59Z metaphysician joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:21:28Z PlasmaStar quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:21:36Z sepi: Grue`: ok but that's really an edge case I guess 2016-06-03T16:22:22Z sepi: I guess any decent compiler could just find out by themself what form to use 2016-06-03T16:23:11Z Bike: well, on some level 'let' is the default, so if a reader sees 'let*' they'll try to figure out which bindings have to be done sequentially 2016-06-03T16:23:17Z Bike: so if there aren't any it'll be a bit weird for em 2016-06-03T16:24:29Z jdz: LET has less "cognitive load" when reading code 2016-06-03T16:24:49Z jdz: easier for skimming 2016-06-03T16:26:09Z White_Flame: and LET is most translatable into LAMBDA, hence that being the default state 2016-06-03T16:28:00Z wooy joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:28:30Z emaczen joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:31:09Z PlasmaStar joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:32:26Z Grue`: sepi: it's just off the top of my head. the simplest example to demonstrate ambiguity. 2016-06-03T16:32:47Z otjura: I kinda don't get why let* even exists. why not just have let where you can shove how many declarations you want? 2016-06-03T16:33:10Z mathi_aihtam quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:33:12Z kushal joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:33:46Z otjura: then again there are a lot of things I don't get 2016-06-03T16:33:48Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:34:14Z Bike: you can put the same declarations on let, what are you referring to 2016-06-03T16:34:33Z Bike: and writing (let (...) 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I was writing project euler #12 in a few languages for fun, and Common Lisp is the 2nd fastest after C (by about .2s) 2016-06-03T16:38:07Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:38:22Z pecan: utterly meaningless in the real world, but it does beat GHC pretty handily (and GHC is perhaps the most advanced optimizing compiler available) 2016-06-03T16:38:22Z jsgrant: pecan: Ha, we were actually just loosely talking about this. :^) 2016-06-03T16:38:43Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:38:44Z pecan: Yeah I saw that above, that's what prompted me to try it 2016-06-03T16:38:54Z jsgrant: pecan: Ah, okay. 2016-06-03T16:38:59Z Grue`: it's really annoying that (loop for (values x y) = (returns-2-values) ...) doesn't work 2016-06-03T16:39:13Z mejja joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:39:38Z pecan: jsgrant: SBCL is faster than Rust o_O 2016-06-03T16:39:46Z pecan: not like it means anything, but that's still pretty good 2016-06-03T16:39:49Z akkad: s/faster/not safer 2016-06-03T16:40:16Z Grue`: yeah fastness isn't exactly Rust's main priority 2016-06-03T16:40:38Z jsgrant: akkad: Yeah, saftey assurnaces seems to be A1. 2016-06-03T16:40:47Z jsgrant: For ol' Rusty. 2016-06-03T16:40:57Z pecan: Actually, it's definitely one of the goals—you're supposed to file a bug report if it's slower than g++ on anything with the same algorithm. 2016-06-03T16:41:26Z jsgrant: pecan: Let's write a web-engine in CL. 2016-06-03T16:41:41Z pecan: "web-engine"? 2016-06-03T16:41:43Z akkad: (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0) (debug 0))) is the equivalent of giving a Kamakazi a 'Dear John' note. You will find this in a lot of code that will promptly introduce you to the debugger 2016-06-03T16:42:13Z jbakid quit (Quit: jbakid) 2016-06-03T16:42:20Z pecan: True. On the plus side, (speed 3) (safety 0) does make the generated assembly relatively predictable. 2016-06-03T16:42:55Z jsgrant: pecan: Isn't that the terminology for something like Servo, Webkit and the like? 2016-06-03T16:43:09Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T16:43:13Z pecan: I've heard rendering engine for that, but web engine makes sense. My bad. 2016-06-03T16:43:30Z jsgrant: From the little I know, Servo seems to be the "killer app" for Rust atm. 2016-06-03T16:44:09Z pecan: Perhaps. Servo is really fast. Rust in general is picking up steam fast though. 2016-06-03T16:44:10Z jsgrant wonders how crazy it'd be to implement a web/rendering engine for McCLIM. 2016-06-03T16:44:18Z pecan: ...Fairly crazy. 2016-06-03T16:45:40Z pecan: Hm, I wonder how hard it'd be to use Rust from ECL. With the right pragmas on the Rust side, it should link fine, but I dunno if the types will match up with what ECL expects. 2016-06-03T16:45:45Z jsgrant: Just so crazy, it may something something. 2016-06-03T16:47:15Z mvilleneuve quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2016-06-03T16:47:54Z mejja: Isn't Rust basically a badly engineered implementation of Henry Baker's Lively linear Lisp? 2016-06-03T16:48:29Z _z quit (Quit: "") 2016-06-03T16:48:48Z Bike: what makes you say it's badly engineered 2016-06-03T16:49:04Z jsgrant: Bike: Lack of parens, obviously. 2016-06-03T16:49:07Z pecan: mejja: It's like C except ML but with linear types. Not badly engineered at all IMO. 2016-06-03T16:49:47Z dwchandler: rust's big problem is it's too complex. like C++ 2016-06-03T16:50:06Z akkad: dwchandler: like they chose to use ALL the keyboard symbols 2016-06-03T16:50:07Z jsgrant: dwchandler: "over-engineered"? 2016-06-03T16:50:07Z dwchandler: otherwise it's nice for that type of lang 2016-06-03T16:50:11Z pecan: …said in a Common Lisp channel…. 2016-06-03T16:50:46Z jsgrant: pecan: Yeah, but Rust doesn't have legacy cruft. 2016-06-03T16:50:53Z jsgrant: Assumingly at least. 2016-06-03T16:51:08Z pecan: Rust isn't that complex at all IMO. Sure it's not Scheme, but it's much smaller than C++ or Common Lisp. 2016-06-03T16:51:09Z peey joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:51:27Z mejja: Scheme isn't small these days... 2016-06-03T16:52:10Z jsgrant: mejja: For "good reason" in-terms of clinging to relevance though. 2016-06-03T16:53:05Z pecan: mejja: Have they split the spec yet? 2016-06-03T16:53:42Z mejja: jsgrant: i don't agree. It's not small for bad reasons. all of the ugly binding forms for example 2016-06-03T16:55:12Z jsgrant: mejja: It's not bad for small reasons, but it's hard to stay relevant when you have like 5+ sub-communities in the population and not much compatibility between implementations. 2016-06-03T16:55:21Z mejja: pecan: the r7 big vote is ging to be free for all. register and vote ffs! 2016-06-03T16:56:02Z PuercoPop: jsgrant: there is a project exactly like that, the closure web browser (of which the xml libraries of CL sprung) 2016-06-03T16:56:05Z jsgrant: Not against the small implementation style, but when/if the community is that fractured ... hard to get much done and/or a lot of duplicated work. 2016-06-03T16:56:16Z PuercoPop: jsgrant: https://common-lisp.net/project/closure/ 2016-06-03T16:56:33Z jsgrant: PuercoPop: Man, you got all the links! :^) 2016-06-03T16:56:34Z pjb joined #lisp 2016-06-03T16:56:42Z jsgrant will check out. 2016-06-03T17:00:48Z sqglz joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:01:18Z d4ryus is now known as Guest46973 2016-06-03T17:01:18Z d4ryus joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:01:59Z emaczen joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:04:04Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:05:15Z Guest46973 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:07:00Z optikalmouse quit (Quit: optikalmouse) 2016-06-03T17:10:25Z puchacz joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:11:29Z PuercoPop: Does anyone know of of any MOP utilities that class based slot descriptions instead of the plist ones that ensure class takes? 2016-06-03T17:12:58Z mejja: can you be more specific? 2016-06-03T17:14:49Z rgrau quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:19:12Z jsgrant quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T17:20:15Z vydd quit 2016-06-03T17:21:00Z edgar-rft joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:21:24Z peey quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:22:38Z PuercoPop: mejja: ej. A class that describes slots that can be passed to a function that creates classes 2016-06-03T17:23:12Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:25:03Z krrrcks quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:25:04Z Jonsky joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:27:19Z smokeink quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:27:48Z krrrcks joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:29:01Z Neurostorm joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:29:18Z SumoSudo quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:29:24Z Bike: well, mop has classes for slots, though i don't know hwo to put them in classes off the top of my head 2016-06-03T17:29:27Z Bike: mop ensure-class 2016-06-03T17:29:27Z specbot: http://metamodular.com/CLOS-MOP/ensure-class.html 2016-06-03T17:31:10Z mastokley joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:31:48Z Jonsky: N00b question: is there any difference between #:boo and :boo? I know both are keyword symbols but I do not understand the benefit of typing the extra # in #:boo. 2016-06-03T17:32:03Z Bike: #:boo is not a keyword symbol, it is an uninterned symbol 2016-06-03T17:32:05Z Bike: k 2016-06-03T17:32:32Z Bike: (symbol-package '#:boo) => NIL, (symbol-package :boo) => # 2016-06-03T17:32:45Z Jonsky: Argh, stupid me 2016-06-03T17:32:50Z Jonsky: Bike: thanks! 2016-06-03T17:33:35Z Grue`: also #:boo does not evaluate to itself 2016-06-03T17:33:55Z Grue`: so it's not at all like a keyword symbol 2016-06-03T17:34:14Z Jonsky: But then is there any benefit in using uninterned symbol instead of interned symbols in DEFPACKAGE etc? 2016-06-03T17:34:41Z Bike: PuercoPop: i don't see a way to make a class with it. slightly weird. 2016-06-03T17:34:41Z Grue`: the benefit is that uninterned symbols don't get interned 2016-06-03T17:34:46Z metaphysician quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:35:18Z Grue`: so you don't have them in tab-completion etc. 2016-06-03T17:36:02Z Neurostorm quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Thanks Grue` , dlowe 2016-06-03T17:43:41Z Bike: uninterned symbols are mainly for when you want to deal with symbols outside of the reader. mostly gensyms and related, yeah. 2016-06-03T17:45:43Z TruePika: hm, I think I forgot to PageUp before going /away 2016-06-03T17:45:54Z TruePika: meh 2016-06-03T17:46:36Z TruePika: ...umm, why is my VM refusing connections? 2016-06-03T17:46:58Z TruePika: dangit it died D: 2016-06-03T17:47:32Z xristos quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T17:47:40Z TruePika: ofc I had some unsaved Vim buffers <_< 2016-06-03T17:48:03Z TruePika: open in the SBCL source tree >_> 2016-06-03T17:49:40Z random-nick joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:49:41Z moei joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:49:46Z TruePika: ...what? I can't find any .*.swp? 2016-06-03T17:49:58Z TruePika: that's...slightly better, at least... 2016-06-03T17:50:01Z abhinav joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:50:27Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:50:31Z warweasle_busy quit (Quit: ?) 2016-06-03T17:50:42Z TruePika: time to figure out how to actually get strace to work though :D 2016-06-03T17:50:43Z TruePika: err 2016-06-03T17:50:46Z TruePika: s/:D/D:/ 2016-06-03T17:51:40Z TruePika: meh, I'll update my SBCL as well. 2016-06-03T17:52:43Z IPmonger quit (Read error: Connection timed out) 2016-06-03T17:55:23Z TruePika: Everything in *FEATURES* would be present in base-target-features.lisp-expr, right? 2016-06-03T17:57:52Z TruePika: well, aside from :QUICKLISP, ofc 2016-06-03T17:58:41Z jasom: TruePika: strace -f sbcl 2>/some/path/to/store/gobs/of/output.txt 2016-06-03T17:58:44Z ryanj__ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:58:57Z TruePika: I'm going to rebuild my main SBCL as well, but I don't remember the flags I used for make.sh and the original config was lost 2016-06-03T17:59:06Z TruePika: jasom: I think I've tried that before <_< 2016-06-03T17:59:15Z _sjs joined #lisp 2016-06-03T17:59:21Z jasom: TruePika: huh, well that's always worked for me, so I give up :/ 2016-06-03T17:59:35Z TruePika: yeah, integrety violated 2016-06-03T17:59:37Z Bike: i think there's a bunch more junk from local-target-features, which is generated at some point 2016-06-03T17:59:40Z Bike: os-provides-whatever 2016-06-03T18:01:43Z joekunin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-03T18:03:20Z jasom: TruePika: okay http://marc.info/?l=sbcl-help&m=126016757829776 reports the same issue with strace, but I've *never* run into it and the included testcase from that post doesn't crash on my machine 2016-06-03T18:04:19Z TruePika: you know what, does --fancy include anything possibly detrimental like SB-SHOW? 2016-06-03T18:05:02Z TruePika: ...or I _could_ just build and "diff" the *FEATURES*, ofc 2016-06-03T18:05:34Z TruePika: (not real diff(1), maybe something like SET-DIFFERENCE) 2016-06-03T18:05:46Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-03T18:07:04Z holly2 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T18:07:08Z TruePika: building with defaults 2016-06-03T18:10:32Z jasom: TruePika: which version of sbcl? The documentation about threading implementation *used* to say that ptrace was used for GC which would interfere with strace, but that language is no longer there 2016-06-03T18:11:17Z holly2 joined #lisp 2016-06-03T18:11:29Z jasom: in fact it changed from "this is achieved using ptrace" to "this is achieved by sending them signals" 2016-06-03T18:12:39Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-06-03T18:12:42Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T18:12:51Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2016-06-03T18:13:30Z narendraj9 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T18:14:59Z eschatologist quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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That affects how SIGSEGV is handled 2016-06-03T19:52:45Z profess quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T19:52:48Z mhsjlw quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-03T19:52:59Z Zackio joined #lisp 2016-06-03T19:55:29Z jasom: TruePika: I tried a couple of sbcl versions, mostly binaries from the website... 2016-06-03T19:55:32Z TruePika: The issues I'm having with strace stem from some SIGSEGV, going by the corruption message 2016-06-03T19:55:55Z TruePika: jasom: is :SB-SAFEPOINT in *FEATURES*? 2016-06-03T19:55:59Z jasom: let me check 2016-06-03T19:56:26Z jasom: TruePika: nope 2016-06-03T19:56:29Z TruePika: awww 2016-06-03T19:56:39Z TruePika: that isn't the difference then 2016-06-03T19:56:50Z dreamaddict_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T19:57:29Z m3tti joined #lisp 2016-06-03T19:57:37Z TruePika: I can tell that part of the issue with strace over here is from sigsegv_handler being called, and there's a #ifdef on LISP_FEATURE_SB_SAFEPOINT 2016-06-03T19:57:58Z TruePika: jasom: :ALPHA ? 2016-06-03T19:58:16Z jasom: no, I'm on x64 2016-06-03T19:58:22Z profess joined #lisp 2016-06-03T19:58:32Z jasom: sadly the alpha architecture is pretty much dead these days 2016-06-03T19:58:37Z TruePika: oh that's an arch 2016-06-03T19:59:00Z TruePika: meh, might be fa...I just realised I can probably add code to here 2016-06-03T19:59:43Z jasom: let me run something bigger under strace; I've got a webserver that makes lots of foreign calls and even has foreign threads 2016-06-03T19:59:55Z TruePika: jasom: I can't even get REPL without the corruption message 2016-06-03T20:00:08Z TruePika: well REPL with quicklisp at minimum 2016-06-03T20:00:52Z TruePika: ... 2016-06-03T20:00:56Z jbakid quit (Quit: jbakid) 2016-06-03T20:00:59Z TruePika: well strace works with --no-userinit 2016-06-03T20:01:34Z NeverDie_ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:01:55Z TruePika: things break a lot once I load setup.lisp with strace 2016-06-03T20:02:33Z kushal quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T20:02:35Z jasom: I'm running now running an application server that is loaded via quicklisp, has multiple threads and makes ffi calls 2016-06-03T20:02:51Z TruePika: and strace doesn't cause memory faults? 2016-06-03T20:02:55Z jasom: nope 2016-06-03T20:03:44Z jasom: there are even foreign threads involved, since it uses zeromq 2016-06-03T20:04:13Z vlatkoB quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T20:04:35Z TruePika: after (load "/path/to/quicklisp/setup.lisp") first error is debugger invoked on a SB-SYS:MEMORY-FAULT-ERROR in thread #: Unhandled memory fault at #x40200066. 2016-06-03T20:04:45Z TruePika: everything goes downhill from there 2016-06-03T20:04:57Z TruePika: Help! 11 nested errors. 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They had an equivalent that assumed the message was a string, but I wanted bytes 2016-06-03T20:11:14Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:11:52Z maucar quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T20:13:54Z dreamaddict_: repeat the mantra to myself: "code is choice, not convenience"... 2016-06-03T20:14:20Z dreamaddict_: ...is there a good resource, other than a straight API from a git page, that can teach me a little more about using CFFI? 2016-06-03T20:14:29Z jbakid joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:15:05Z jasom: I use this as a reference: https://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/cffi-manual.html and then look at other peoples code for examples 2016-06-03T20:15:27Z dreamaddict_: ok, that is what I am doing...you are just better at it obviously 2016-06-03T20:15:38Z jasom: I've been doing it for longer :) 2016-06-03T20:15:43Z dreamaddict_: sometimes I have a hard time figuring out where to apply the effort 2016-06-03T20:16:55Z jasom: I also come from a C background 2016-06-03T20:17:15Z jasom: I started programming in C 8 years before I ever saw a single line of lisp 2016-06-03T20:17:29Z trinitr0n: Off topic but 2016-06-03T20:17:34Z dreamaddict_: right 2016-06-03T20:17:35Z trinitr0n: lisp machine #8 arrives tomorrow 2016-06-03T20:17:37Z trinitr0n: :) 2016-06-03T20:17:47Z jbakid quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-03T20:18:00Z trinitr0n: A symbolics XL1200 2016-06-03T20:18:09Z dreamaddict_: I jumped into this crap three years ago because I promised a friend that I would make a prototype of an idea that we have 2016-06-03T20:18:24Z dreamaddict_: I figured, it isn't that complicated (it isn't)...three years later, I still don't have anything 2016-06-03T20:18:41Z dreamaddict_: no matter how much I study, I never learn enough to make anything 2016-06-03T20:18:44Z dreamaddict_: I don't know how you do it 2016-06-03T20:18:50Z NeverDie_ is now known as NeverDie 2016-06-03T20:20:06Z al-damiri quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-06-03T20:20:17Z dreamaddict_: anyway I guess I'll play with CFFI for awhile, since that is literally the modus operandi 2016-06-03T20:20:28Z _z joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:20:50Z jasom: did you work through the libcurl example already? 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2016-06-03T20:30:12Z jasom: dreamaddict_: what do you mean by "streaming file transfer" 2016-06-03T20:30:27Z dreamaddict_: I mean, as opposed to a download 2016-06-03T20:31:03Z TruePika: files don't stream, per say 2016-06-03T20:31:12Z TruePika: files have defined ends 2016-06-03T20:31:22Z TruePika: streams, wrt to streaming, don't 2016-06-03T20:31:24Z jasom: dreamaddict_: what specifically do you want to do differently from a download; streaming is kind of vague 2016-06-03T20:31:33Z mhsjlw joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:31:37Z dreamaddict_: yes, I mean, if a client is playing an mp3 file for example, I have another client who will receive the "leftovers" 2016-06-03T20:31:43Z dreamaddict_: whatever of the file hasn't been played yet 2016-06-03T20:31:53Z TruePika: lol compiling sbcl just segfaulted <_< 2016-06-03T20:32:22Z lnkp quit (Quit: Page closed) 2016-06-03T20:32:34Z dreamaddict_: the file is playing, the amount left is shrinking steadily, the other client gets the remainder of the mp3 file as it is playing 2016-06-03T20:32:38Z dreamaddict_: which means that I would send it backwards 2016-06-03T20:32:48Z dreamaddict_: which is streaming...right? as opposed to a straight download... 2016-06-03T20:33:08Z TruePika: well you can't just cut a MP3 midway... 2016-06-03T20:33:16Z jasom: TruePika: actually you can 2016-06-03T20:33:20Z dreamaddict_: you can start an mp3 midway 2016-06-03T20:33:26Z jasom: most players will resynchronize just fine 2016-06-03T20:33:40Z TruePika: til 2016-06-03T20:34:04Z jasom: dreamaddict_: so you want to send data out a socket to a client, and if the client disconnects you want a new client connection to resume where the first one left off? 2016-06-03T20:34:06Z dreamaddict_: this is the part where, I don't even know what tool fits for this job, and I can't learn it from manuals, since it's the experience that I lack 2016-06-03T20:34:26Z dreamaddict_: jasom: do you mind if I message you a bit? 2016-06-03T20:34:30Z jasom: dreamaddict_: not at all 2016-06-03T20:35:41Z Trystam is now known as Tristam 2016-06-03T20:36:30Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-03T20:38:08Z ryanj__ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:40:40Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-03T20:41:07Z kushal joined #lisp 2016-06-03T20:43:00Z NeverDie quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T20:43:15Z TruePika: oh, something I've been wondering, macros can't yield something like (foo) -> (bar) (baz), right? 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Why not Emacs or Vim? 2016-06-03T23:16:26Z CEnnis91 quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-06-03T23:17:22Z pecan: Haven't used the Clozure IDE though, sorry. :/ 2016-06-03T23:19:31Z sigjuice: I do use emacs and paredit, but the idea of using an IDE is also appealing to me 2016-06-03T23:19:53Z jasom: you should try slime, it's a fairly nice IDE 2016-06-03T23:21:43Z Yuuhi quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T23:23:55Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:24:40Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-03T23:24:57Z sigjuice: already use emacs, slime, paredit. I was just curious about the Clozure CL IDE. 2016-06-03T23:25:43Z kdas__ joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:26:00Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:26:42Z Jesin joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:27:34Z kdas__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-03T23:29:45Z schjetne: sigjuice: it's easy to give it a try: http://ccl.clozure.com/docs/ccl.html#the-clozure-cl-ide 2016-06-03T23:29:57Z schjetne: But it doesn't have a whole lot of features yet 2016-06-03T23:30:34Z emaczen joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:33:17Z sigjuice: schjetne : It is available on the Mac App Store so running it means just clicking on its icon. I can't seem to type code without paredit so I was curious if there was a version of paredit for it or something equivalent. 2016-06-03T23:35:07Z eschatologist joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:35:10Z schjetne: I see what you mean. I've thought the same about LispWorks. 2016-06-03T23:35:35Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:36:01Z ryanj__ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:39:14Z eschatologist quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-03T23:40:01Z Jonsky quit (Quit: chase the dragon) 2016-06-03T23:40:33Z jasom: your guys nicks are way to visually similar for me to follow this conversation :/ 2016-06-03T23:42:34Z walter|r joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:46:09Z wildlander joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:46:09Z sigjuice: :) 2016-06-03T23:48:47Z Petit_Dejeuner joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:51:58Z guicho joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:52:14Z wccoder quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-03T23:53:16Z banjiewen quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:53:16Z fUD quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:53:52Z aphprentice quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-03T23:55:38Z aphprentice joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:55:39Z jbakid joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:55:51Z banjiewen joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:56:47Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:57:00Z otjura: speaking of implementations, is there any implementation shootout comparing speeds in various tasks with same codeJ? 2016-06-03T23:57:10Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-06-03T23:58:06Z otjura: there is this but it's woefully ancient http://www.cliki.net/performance%20benchmarks