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2015-12-14T00:18:17Z Throwaway: how painful are unhygienic macros in the real world? Im thinking about jumping into CL.
2015-12-14T00:19:35Z Bike: do you mean "how painful is it working with unhygenic macros" or "how painful is it worrying about hygeine when writing normal macros"
2015-12-14T00:19:51Z Throwaway: the latter one
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2015-12-14T00:49:37Z jasom: Throwaway: it's not bad at all; even before packages it wasn't terrible, and packages practically makes it go completely away
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2015-12-14T00:52:25Z jasom: consider this: (defmacro evil (&body b) (labels ((do-something (&rest r) nil))) (progn ,@b)) this would be a problem without packages if a consumer expected to be able to call "do-something" in the body of it.  However, with packages, it's actually evil-package:do-something which will be a different symbol than consumer-package:do-something so there is no clash
2015-12-14T00:53:01Z jasom: actually that example is 100% backwards
2015-12-14T00:54:37Z jasom: (labels ((do-something (&rest r) nil)) (some-macro-that-calls-do-something ...)) would be the correct example; so long as you don't bind symbols in other people's packages, you can use macros from other people's packages with impunity
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2015-12-14T02:07:38Z PuercoPop: minion: memo for Quadrescence: If looking at stefil check also its fork, fiasco (https://github.com/capitaomorte/fiasco)
2015-12-14T02:07:38Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell Quadrescence when he/she/it next speaks.
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2015-12-14T02:55:43Z Robdgreat: sweet
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2015-12-14T03:05:20Z Robdgreat: so my remark was premature
2015-12-14T03:12:28Z sinepregginkcuf: you're a retard
2015-12-14T03:13:43Z Quadrescence: PuercoPop, im worried about forks of test frameworks
2015-12-14T03:13:43Z minion: Quadrescence, memo from PuercoPop: If looking at stefil check also its fork, fiasco (https://github.com/capitaomorte/fiasco)
2015-12-14T03:14:21Z Quadrescence: But maybe I'll try it
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2015-12-14T03:18:05Z sinepregginkcuf: Hello Fuckhead!
2015-12-14T03:18:33Z PuercoPop: Why worried?
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2015-12-14T03:19:20Z Quadrescence: PuercoPop, Just because there's already 1,000,000 test frameworks (approximately), and none of them seem very well documented or supported
2015-12-14T03:19:28Z Quadrescence: (as is often the case with lisp libraries)
2015-12-14T03:23:13Z PuercoPop: ah I thought it was something specific abouttest frameworks. Well fwiw (not much) I'm more worried that the defacto one is fiveam. stefil and prove are the only two I would recommend. But I haven't tried pnathan's checker.
2015-12-14T03:23:39Z Quadrescence: I tried fiveam and didn't like it as much as stefil
2015-12-14T03:23:49Z Quadrescence: i havent tried the latter two you've mentioned
2015-12-14T03:24:16Z Quadrescence: I usually have to motivate myself to write tests to begin with, so messing about with test frameworks isn't so fun :)
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2015-12-14T03:29:34Z PuercoPop: Prove may be to your liking then. It has a 'low barrier entry' you have start with a couple of loose (ok ...) statements and evaluate them with C-c C-c. And later if you desire organize them better
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2015-12-14T03:31:33Z Quadrescence: any test framework that has some built in notion of equality doesn't sit well with me
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2015-12-14T03:32:11Z Quadrescence: (i know it's configurable usually)
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2015-12-14T03:38:24Z PuercoPop: In prove, One can always do (ok (my-eq ..)) is the :test keyword argument of is is not enough. And it has 'sensible defaults'™
2015-12-14T03:42:27Z PuercoPop: one thing I would like in prove is to associate a file to its test-file so I can tell emacs to run the tests to a file each time I save without ad-hoc code
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2015-12-14T03:47:07Z eudoxia uses fiveam for literally everything because he tried it once and it worked
2015-12-14T03:47:53Z Bike: one time i used fiveam and it hung the compiler. good times.
2015-12-14T03:47:59Z Quadrescence: :)
2015-12-14T03:48:17Z PuercoPop: eudoxia: besides the boiler plate, it has given me heap-exhaustion errors when running the djula tests. Which made me read the code for all the 'magic' it does.
2015-12-14T03:48:55Z eudoxia: i have had occasional unexplained problems with it that went again when i changed somethings
2015-12-14T03:49:25Z eudoxia: so i suspect under its tiny interface it hides a vast core of ancient magic
2015-12-14T03:49:43Z eudoxia: how bad is it
2015-12-14T03:49:59Z Bike: i thnk it calls the compiler every time you run a test?
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2015-12-14T03:50:30Z eudoxia: PuercoPop: incidentally i have not replied to your email yet because of who i am as a person but i haven't forgotten!
2015-12-14T03:52:21Z PuercoPop: I use lmj's 1am patch for running the djula tests now. IIRC by default fiveam's def-test creates a function to be compiled and called when the tests are run, now when they are define.
2015-12-14T03:53:10Z eudoxia: i have been thinking about moving to prove because "muh consolidation"
2015-12-14T03:53:32Z eudoxia: but i'll need to write some macros to change everything :/
2015-12-14T03:53:52Z PuercoPop: eudoxia: I too tend to forget about emails. I checked out some of the issues. There are a couple more of success stories one could add, like block-sei
2015-12-14T03:54:49Z eudoxia: PuercoPop: I've never heard of them, is that in Common Lisp or some other lisp?
2015-12-14T03:56:28Z eudoxia: oh it looks like it's written in mocl
2015-12-14T03:56:29Z eudoxia: nice
2015-12-14T03:56:36Z eudoxia: a mobile success story, thanks for the pointer
2015-12-14T03:56:49Z PuercoPop: I don't know the details, they are a company named lighthouse-64 which use a yet unreleased game engine for mobile
2015-12-14T03:57:15Z eudoxia: here it says mocl https://www.reddit.com/r/Common_Lisp/comments/33bzfw/blocksei_based_on_a_game_engine_called_bliss/
2015-12-14T03:57:40Z PuercoPop: yeah. Also @michaeljforester tweeted something about a ticket sales system and owing lispworks a success story
2015-12-14T03:58:07Z eudoxia: i probably won't be adding *all* of the LW/ACL success stories
2015-12-14T03:58:45Z eudoxia: i think some of them (really old-looking screenshots, companies that no longer exist, companies with old websites) will have a negative value
2015-12-14T03:59:06Z PuercoPop: they did a talk at last years ELS iirc.
2015-12-14T03:59:28Z eudoxia: i saw that but couldn't find a link to the lightning talk
2015-12-14T03:59:31Z PuercoPop: the ticket sales system was last year.
2015-12-14T03:59:41Z PuercoPop: the videos are yet unreleased afaik
2015-12-14T04:00:05Z eudoxia: yes
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2015-12-14T04:09:15Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2015-12-14T04:09:41Z blub: hi beach
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2015-12-14T04:20:00Z beach: Speaking of testing frameworks, I don't even know what it would look like for a testing framework to have support for my favorite testing method: Suppose I want tot test some data structure, let's say Flexichain to make it more concrete.
2015-12-14T04:20:01Z beach: Flexichain is an "editable sequence" but with some complicated special cases that all need to be tested.  I test it by creating a trivial version of the same protocol (like using a list).  I generate random operations and issue them to both versions, then I compare the result.
2015-12-14T04:21:03Z beach: So I have given up on testing frameworks, and I just use ASSERTs and occasionally IGNORE-ERRORS.
2015-12-14T04:22:05Z beach: But I would love to be proven wrong, i.e., to learn that there are testing frameworks that have support for this kind of testing.
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2015-12-14T04:23:51Z eudoxia: testing frameworks support that in the sense that you can wrap that code in the test frameworks's code, like defining a test named `list-protocol` that does what you said, and replacing assert with the test frameworks' checking macro
2015-12-14T04:24:25Z beach: OK, so named ASSERTs basically?
2015-12-14T04:24:46Z eudoxia: more or less
2015-12-14T04:25:00Z PuercoPop: beach: the idea being than you can group the tests under a name to run them in group and to see how many assertions fail in a group for a high level overview
2015-12-14T04:25:02Z eudoxia: asserts, but arranged in a way that when you run them you get a pretty report of what's passed and what's failed
2015-12-14T04:25:38Z eudoxia: e.g. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fukamachi/prove/master/images/list.png
2015-12-14T04:25:59Z beach: I guess I decided that this advantage was so small compared to the risk of choosing the "wrong" (i.e., unsupported, etc) testing framework.
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2015-12-14T04:42:44Z beach: Warning, pure speculation ahead: I would think that writing and using a library for some purpose is worth it only if what the library provides represents so much work that the effort of learning it offsets the work of re-implementing it.
2015-12-14T04:42:52Z beach: Perhaps in mainstream programming languages a testing framework falls into that category, and perhaps in Common Lisp it does not.  If that is the case, then perhaps it is not the right abstraction in Common Lisp to duplicate the functionality of testing frameworks in other languages, and we need to come up with something that represents more of a clear advantage to the user.
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2015-12-14T04:50:23Z Zhivago: beach: Sounds like you're talking about some kind of 'fuzzing'?
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2015-12-14T04:51:00Z beach: I don't know what 'fuzzing' is.  What do you mean?
2015-12-14T04:51:10Z PuercoPop: beach: I think you are right about not 'cargo cult'ing stuff from other languages. The reason I like prove is precisely because it doesn't do much more than asserts. the guy from lparallel uses a bare-bones testing library which runs the tests in random order to increase the change of catching race conditions (https://github.com/lmj/1am/blob/master/1am.lisp)
2015-12-14T04:52:03Z Zhivago: Testing random points in the input domain.
2015-12-14T04:53:22Z beach: Zhivago: Oh, for my "favorite" type of test?
2015-12-14T04:53:38Z beach: PuercoPop: Yes, I see.
2015-12-14T04:55:48Z Zhivago: Yep.
2015-12-14T04:56:44Z beach: Zhivago: I guess so, yes.
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2015-12-14T06:23:45Z jasom: btw, something like AFL for common lisp would be great
2015-12-14T06:24:11Z blub: whats afl
2015-12-14T06:24:22Z jasom: "American Fuzzy Lop" is a tool that permutes your input in an attempt to generate test cases with full code coverage
2015-12-14T06:24:50Z jasom: it traces which branches are taken for given inputs
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2015-12-14T06:25:52Z jasom: then tries to explore the full tree.  Since many C compilers unroll constant string comparisons it's even done things like generated magic header tokens without any knowledge of the input format, which is kind of cool all on its own
2015-12-14T06:26:26Z jasom: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/afl/
2015-12-14T06:29:06Z jasom: hmm, it says genetic algorithm on the site, I had thought it used simulated annealing, but either way it works, and has found a lot of bugs often with very little human effort involved
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2015-12-14T09:23:39Z pjb: minion: memo for beach: this is definitely correct, that the cost comparison between locating, evaluating, learning and using a library, and writing, debugging and using directly the code you need, is not always in favor of the library, and since it's so easy to write more complex code in lisp, even less so for lisp libraries.
2015-12-14T09:23:39Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks.
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2015-12-14T09:25:52Z pjb: minion: memo for beach: in the case of lisp libraries, even for simple functions I often find that my requirements are slightly at odds with what the library implements, and I have to rewrite the code even after having searched and studied libraries… :-(  For test frameworks, it definitely occurs often, since I don't write all the time the same (kind of) application targetting the same platform.
2015-12-14T09:25:52Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks.
2015-12-14T09:27:42Z pjb: minion: memo for beach: and indeed, test frameworks are basically a higher order function of unknown functions (ie. of unknown at compilation-time of the _types_), and therefore it is passably harder to write in non-dynamic programming languages.  Hence it seems to be worthwhile to design and use such libraries in those languages (and notably, those that are half-assed type-wise, like Java).
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2015-12-14T09:33:39Z pjb: minion: memo for beach: Perhaps of interest, a test for junior programmer interview: implement in 1/2 hour a concrete Java class implementing the java.util.List interface (two senior java programmers couldn't do it in 6 hours).  https://medium.com/@samphippen/on-the-unreasonable-reality-of-junior-developer-interviews-946498c0ad57#.hef74ce1s   for reference: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/List.html   In such a
2015-12-14T09:33:39Z pjb: context, using a library to do ANYTHING sounds like a good proposition.
2015-12-14T09:33:39Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks.
2015-12-14T09:33:52Z pjb: minion: memo for beach: context, using a library to do ANYTHING sounds like a good proposition.
2015-12-14T09:33:53Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks.
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2015-12-14T09:41:40Z kami: Good morning.
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2015-12-14T09:45:03Z mntpellier: Hello all, I am tasked with the replacement of a lockin amplifier, a signal generator/injector and their software with an ARM device. These high precision devices are used for a magnetic field research. I have thought of using the AD7190 as described here - https://developer.mbed.org/users/tkreyche/notebook/ad7190-ultra-low-noise-24-bit-sigma-delta-adc/   I however do not see it doing the whole job for me. Could  you advise me on a better AD evaluatio
2015-12-14T09:45:03Z mntpellier: n board.
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2015-12-14T09:46:45Z flip214: mntpellier: I guess you're in the wrong channel here, aren't you?
2015-12-14T09:47:10Z mntpellier: flip214, nope
2015-12-14T09:47:28Z mntpellier: lisp is used in embedded devices.
2015-12-14T09:47:52Z flip214: yeah, but how should we advise the choice of hardware?
2015-12-14T09:48:09Z flip214: you don't even say what is missing, quite apart from not telling any specific requirements.
2015-12-14T09:48:58Z pjb: mntpellier: you might ask Posterdati when he's here.
2015-12-14T09:49:04Z mntpellier: Companies such as allegro and melexis develop embedded circuits. I was hoping there would be some hardware engineers here.
2015-12-14T09:49:15Z mntpellier: Software folks could advise too.
2015-12-14T09:49:29Z mntpellier: pjb, thanks so much.
2015-12-14T09:49:44Z mtl_: mntpellier: I do some work with embedded systems, but I mostly work in C
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2015-12-14T09:50:26Z mtl_: and I mostly just do the programming; the hardware isn't my strong suit
2015-12-14T09:51:04Z mntpellier: You might still be able to advise me, I think.
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2015-12-14T09:58:57Z mntpellier: mtl_, got it?
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2015-12-14T11:06:22Z Jonsky: Just read Ch18 of PCL to learn some (format) and I tried some stupid thing to mess up my box
2015-12-14T11:06:58Z Jonsky: (format t "~{~A ~:*~}" (list 'AWESOME)A)
2015-12-14T11:07:19Z Jonsky: (format t "~{~A ~:*~}" (list 'AWESOME))
2015-12-14T11:09:52Z Cymew: Yeah, isn't FORMAT great.
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2015-12-14T11:25:01Z Jonsky: Any other sources for mastering (format )? PCL and ACL don't cover much of format.
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2015-12-14T11:32:50Z mtl_: Jonsky: there's always the hyperspec
2015-12-14T11:33:05Z varjag: if you want to learn all its nooks and crannies, you really want to read the spec
2015-12-14T11:33:33Z Jonsky: Oh the horror...
2015-12-14T11:33:34Z mtl_: is format extensible?
2015-12-14T11:33:42Z mtl_: I might have need for that at some point
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2015-12-14T11:42:09Z Jonsky: no idea, i'm still a newbie learning
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2015-12-14T12:12:04Z pjb: mtl_: format is extensible in two ways: 1- you can use a formatter function instead of a format string. 2- you can write your own format specifiers and use them with ~//.
2015-12-14T12:12:54Z pjb: mtl_: (format dest "…" …) is equivalent to (format dest (formatter "…") …)  you can replace the call to formatter by whaterer you want.
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2015-12-14T12:21:13Z mtl_: ah
2015-12-14T12:21:15Z mtl_: sweet
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2015-12-14T12:24:43Z Jonsky: pjb: how to replace the call to formatter?
2015-12-14T12:25:22Z pjb: Reading the spec about the formatter function, and implementing a similar function.
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2015-12-14T12:25:48Z pjb: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_c.htm
2015-12-14T12:25:57Z Jonsky: So we can recompile the formatter with the same name>
2015-12-14T12:25:58Z pjb: If it is a function, the function is called with the appropriate output stream as its first argument and the data arguments to format as its remaining arguments. The function should perform whatever output is necessary and return the unused tail of the arguments (if any).
2015-12-14T12:25:58Z Jonsky: ?
2015-12-14T12:26:07Z pjb: Nope.
2015-12-14T12:26:29Z pjb: You would call: (format t 'my-formatter a b c)
2015-12-14T12:26:52Z pjb: or (format t (make-my-formatter '(some format specification)) a b c)
2015-12-14T12:26:54Z pjb: whatever you want.
2015-12-14T12:27:16Z Jonsky: oh i see
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2015-12-14T12:27:30Z Jonsky: hahaha I can actually replace the string with the function name I make
2015-12-14T12:27:32Z Jonsky: nice!!!
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2015-12-14T12:29:32Z pjb: (format nil (lambda (stream a n &rest args) (dotimes (i n) (princ a stream)) args) 'x 6) #| --> "xxxxxx" |#
2015-12-14T12:30:13Z pjb: Now, the returning of the rest of arguments is so that you can use formatter functions with stuff like ~?
2015-12-14T12:30:41Z pjb: (format nil "<~?> ~A" (lambda (stream a n &rest args) (dotimes (i n) (princ a stream)) args) '(x 6) 'z) #| --> "<xxxxxx> z" |#
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2015-12-14T12:33:06Z hajovonta: hi
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2015-12-14T12:36:18Z hajovonta: i have sbcl-specific question, is this a good place to ask?
2015-12-14T12:36:33Z pjb: Unfortunately  implementations interpret strictly the wording of the specification, and then don't allow inserting new arguments. (format nil "~? ~{~A ~}" (lambda (stream &rest args) (list* 1 2 3 args))) doesn't work as I expected.
2015-12-14T12:36:35Z Jonsky: pjb: Very cool! I will read more about it because at the moment I am not 100% sure I understand. But still, VERY COOL!
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2015-12-14T12:36:38Z pjb: hajovonta: there's a #scbl
2015-12-14T12:36:44Z pjb: #sbcl
2015-12-14T12:36:50Z hajovonta: thanks
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2015-12-14T12:40:53Z Cymew: I'd suggest that if you feel the need to extend FORMAT to think it over a few more times if that's the Right Way.
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2015-12-14T12:41:58Z Cymew: In my opinion, anything that looks like APL or perl is not the Right Way.
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2015-12-14T12:42:50Z pjb: Oops, I mispoke; I had errors in my expressions.  We can do this: (format nil "~@? ~@{~A~^, ~}" (lambda (stream a n &rest args) (dotimes (i n) (princ a stream)) (cons 42 args)) 'x 6 'z) #| --> "xxxxxx 42, z" |#
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2015-12-14T12:43:59Z pjb: Cymew: well, the obvious thing would be to use a sexp-formatter, instead of an entirely separate DSL.
2015-12-14T12:44:17Z pjb: Again, the use of ~? let you write hybrid formatting.
2015-12-14T12:44:42Z Cymew: I have a love/hate relationship with FORMAT.
2015-12-14T12:46:25Z Cymew: At least it has the decency to be so convoluted you almost have to look up anything beyond the simplest things, so you will get it right. LOOP otoh looks like it is intuitivem, and then it blows up in your face.
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2015-12-14T12:46:52Z Cymew: s/intuitivem/intuitive/
2015-12-14T12:47:48Z Jonsky: I know I know....
2015-12-14T12:47:52Z Jonsky: Loop is weord
2015-12-14T12:47:54Z Jonsky: weird
2015-12-14T12:48:12Z Jonsky: Tried to play with it a bit
2015-12-14T12:48:35Z Jonsky: something like (loop for i below 10 collect (1+ i))
2015-12-14T12:48:44Z Jonsky: Then it tells me it doesn't know who i is....
2015-12-14T12:49:07Z pjb: (loop for i below 10 collect (1+ i)) #| --> (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) |#
2015-12-14T12:49:10Z pjb: works perfectly.
2015-12-14T12:49:23Z Jonsky: weird
2015-12-14T12:49:30Z Jonsky: I remember something like that.
2015-12-14T12:49:33Z Jonsky: lemme try again
2015-12-14T12:50:26Z Jonsky: Weird....pjb what did you do to my cl?
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2015-12-14T17:02:42Z jasom: cyberlard: I have almost zero problems with loop; the bugs you can make from misunderstanding it show up fairly quickly, and telling what a correctly written loop does is typically very natural from reading it
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2015-12-14T17:04:16Z cyberlard: jasom: :3
2015-12-14T17:05:07Z jasom: cyberlard: sorry Cymew
2015-12-14T17:05:15Z jasom: who apparently left so tab-completion failed
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2015-12-14T17:05:46Z jasom: cyberlard: out of curiousity, what is that emoticon supposed to be?
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2015-12-14T17:06:47Z cyberlard: For some reason, it comes out as a cat face at most places
2015-12-14T17:06:55Z cyberlard: but I indend it to be balls-chin
2015-12-14T17:07:02Z cyberlard: (think Peter Griffin)
2015-12-14T17:07:16Z cyberlard: s/indend/intend
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2015-12-14T19:06:09Z warweasle: Is there a function which appends to a list (or creates one if nil) and returns the newly created cons cell? I've made one but there must be something which doesn't take a list and returns the last cons.
2015-12-14T19:06:31Z warweasle would rather not use loop unless he is lazy.
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2015-12-14T19:14:51Z dlowe: warweasle: um, CONS?
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2015-12-14T19:15:54Z warweasle: dlowe: It's adding a tail pointer thing. I don't think it exists so I'm writing a macro.
2015-12-14T19:16:36Z newdan: warweasle: Why a macro?
2015-12-14T19:16:55Z dlowe: you could also write a function that returned the first and last cons of the list
2015-12-14T19:17:20Z dlowe: but such a function would necessarily be destructive
2015-12-14T19:17:56Z warweasle: dlowe: I can't put the first cons in an empty (nil) variable.
2015-12-14T19:18:28Z warweasle is making a with-tail macro with an add-to-tail submacro.
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2015-12-14T19:21:57Z dlowe: warweasle: I don't see why not. You have to mutate part of the list anyway, might as well mutate the nil variable.
2015-12-14T19:23:46Z warweasle: That's right. Nil is just an empty cons cell. I need to rplac instad of rplacd.
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2015-12-14T21:45:48Z caridorc: I wrote a code that can execute
2015-12-14T21:45:52Z caridorc: Tree([print,     Tree([sum,         Tree([filter,             Tree([lambda x: x%3==0 or x%5==0]), Tree([range, Tree([0]), Tree([1000])])])])])
2015-12-14T21:46:04Z caridorc: How far am I from implementing a Lisp?
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2015-12-14T21:49:53Z dlowe: caridorc: you at least need to implement the metacircular evaluator
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2015-12-14T21:51:13Z dlowe: We discuss Common Lisp in this channel, though. You might want ##lisp, which is for any lisp family
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2015-12-14T21:51:47Z caridorc: yup, that one seem more appropriate, bye
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