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2015-04-14T00:34:04Z slimetree: i have four bytes. how can i turn them into an int?
2015-04-14T00:35:23Z slimetree: short of doing like (+ (* b1 (expt #xff 0)) ...)
2015-04-14T00:35:36Z slimetree: is there some 'built in' way
2015-04-14T00:36:16Z pillton: clhs ldb
2015-04-14T00:36:16Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ldb.htm
2015-04-14T00:36:36Z Xach: slimetree: everything will be some variation of that.
2015-04-14T00:36:44Z Xach: slimetree: there isn't a built-in way.
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2015-04-14T00:38:01Z Xach: I usually do something like (logior (ash b1 24) (ash b2 16) (ash b3 8) (ash b4 0))
2015-04-14T00:38:40Z Xach: (ash b4 0) is just b4, but i do it anyway
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2015-04-14T00:40:48Z pillton: ... but with correct parenthesis.
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2015-04-14T03:37:55Z drmeister: Hi beach - I'm ready to pack it in.
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2015-04-14T03:38:12Z beach: Permanently?
2015-04-14T03:38:19Z drmeister: This Fing exception handling is driving me insane.
2015-04-14T03:38:48Z drmeister: Don't ask right now  - I don't want to think to hard about it.
2015-04-14T03:39:03Z drmeister: regarding packing it in.
2015-04-14T03:39:21Z beach remains silent.
2015-04-14T03:39:49Z drmeister: I'm trying to get some help in #llvm - I had the guy who appears to have written a lot of the exception handling backend give me a bunch of pointers to install a debugging version of libcxxabi.
2015-04-14T03:40:07Z drmeister: I got it installed but it's not giving me anything that I understand.
2015-04-14T03:40:30Z drmeister: The solution that I thought I had a couple of days ago turned out to be wrong.  Now I'm more confused than ever.
2015-04-14T03:40:47Z beach: Which solution was that?
2015-04-14T03:41:02Z drmeister: Right now I think LLVM JIT and exception handling if fundamentally broken.
2015-04-14T03:41:15Z beach: wow.
2015-04-14T03:41:26Z beach: How can anything work that uses LLVM then?
2015-04-14T03:41:53Z work: nothing works
2015-04-14T03:42:14Z drmeister: I thought I had to "invoke" functions that throw C++ exceptions.  I implemented a THROW-AST and THROW-INSTRUCTION node.  It all works fine.   It appeared to fix the problem until I compiled Cleavir/Clasp and tried to restart from an error ---> crash.
2015-04-14T03:42:42Z drmeister: Ahead-of-time compilation of exception handling code seems to work fine.
2015-04-14T03:43:08Z beach: Oh, it's the JIT compilation that is broken?
2015-04-14T03:43:12Z drmeister: Just In Time compilation of exception handling code appears to be broken and I can't find anyone who has a clue about how to debug it.
2015-04-14T03:43:39Z drmeister: Or they have a clue and they aren't around.
2015-04-14T03:43:43Z beach: How did it work in BClasp?
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2015-04-14T03:44:32Z drmeister: In BClasp I set up landing pads within the generated code.
2015-04-14T03:44:50Z beach: You do in CClasp too, no?
2015-04-14T03:44:54Z drmeister: No
2015-04-14T03:45:08Z drmeister: I call "catchFunction" with a thunk.
2015-04-14T03:45:38Z drmeister: Getting additional landing pads to play nice with UNWIND-INSTRUCTION landing pads is going to be trouble.
2015-04-14T03:46:10Z drmeister: The thing is - I installed this debugging libcxxabi and now not even BClasp's JITed code works
2015-04-14T03:46:28Z beach: Nasty!
2015-04-14T03:46:31Z drmeister: The interpreted code works but not the BClasp JITed code.   I haven't tried CClasp.
2015-04-14T03:46:57Z drmeister: It's the worst bug of my life.
2015-04-14T03:47:09Z drmeister: I have everything else working!
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2015-04-14T03:47:24Z drmeister: I have come so far and this exception handling stuff is going to kill me.
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2015-04-14T03:47:50Z beach: So there is *some* version of BClasp that works, right?
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2015-04-14T03:48:05Z drmeister: Apparently but right now I'm questioning if black is black and white is white.
2015-04-14T03:48:16Z beach: Ah, yes.  I see.
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2015-04-14T03:48:53Z drmeister: Yes, I believe that *some* version of BClasp works.
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2015-04-14T03:49:27Z beach: But I guess you need to know *why* it works.
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2015-04-14T03:49:49Z drmeister: But the BClasp *solution* is difficult to implement and I don't even know if that will work.   My luck these days isn't working very well.
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2015-04-14T03:50:13Z drmeister: I have been trying to figure out *why* it works for more than a week.
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2015-04-14T03:50:29Z drmeister: I haven't gotten anywhere.
2015-04-14T03:51:14Z drmeister: Well, apparently I've been focusing on the wrong thing for the past week.
2015-04-14T03:51:28Z drmeister: I thought it was the thrower that was the problem - it appears to be the catcher.
2015-04-14T03:52:19Z drmeister: Give me a sec and I'll explain.
2015-04-14T03:52:36Z drmeister: I'm just going to run some tests to make sure I'm not talking out of my *ss again.
2015-04-14T03:53:03Z beach: OK.
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2015-04-14T03:53:25Z drmeister: Yeah
2015-04-14T03:53:42Z drmeister: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/6b11e7f7f601a276275b
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2015-04-14T03:53:54Z drmeister: It's a bit crowded - let me give you something a bit clearer
2015-04-14T03:54:18Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Y3D7ptRf
2015-04-14T03:54:40Z drmeister: compile == CClasp compiler (Cleavir/Clasp)
2015-04-14T03:54:50Z drmeister: core:bclasp-compile == BClasp compiler.
2015-04-14T03:55:21Z drmeister: If I catch with "bcatcher" everything works fine.
2015-04-14T03:55:31Z drmeister: If I catch with "ccatcher"  it breaks.
2015-04-14T03:56:27Z beach: I see.
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2015-04-14T03:56:42Z drmeister: The example above that: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/6b11e7f7f601a276275b   is just so I can see that I'm not crazy.   I didn't try the (ccatcher #'cthrower) example - I'm doing that now.
2015-04-14T03:57:39Z drmeister: ccatcher calls a C++ function called "catchFunction" that takes a throw-tag and a thunk and evaluates the thunk in the dynamic environment of the throw-tag.
2015-04-14T03:58:15Z beach: How is that different from what bcatcher does?
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2015-04-14T03:58:50Z drmeister: bcatcher is more sophisticated.  It creates a landingpad that accepts a CatchThrow exception.
2015-04-14T03:59:30Z beach: OK, I don't really understand what that means.  But why can't catchFunction do that as well?
2015-04-14T03:59:34Z drmeister: The thing is - there is nothing wrong with either of these approaches - they should "just work".
2015-04-14T03:59:43Z beach: Sure.
2015-04-14T04:00:08Z work: yeah, just work
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2015-04-14T04:00:39Z drmeister: I'm ignoring "work" - is it a bot?
2015-04-14T04:00:49Z drmeister: Never mind.
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2015-04-14T04:01:14Z drmeister: So how to debug this nonsense?
2015-04-14T04:01:20Z work: dang man, thats heartless
2015-04-14T04:01:38Z work: drmeister, we can be friends, one love one lisp, right?
2015-04-14T04:01:41Z beach: work: We got it now.
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2015-04-14T04:01:50Z beach: drmeister: So why can't catchFunction do the same?
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2015-04-14T04:02:08Z drmeister: I've got people telling me to look at eh_frame sections of the object file generated when I hack the JIT code generator - I did that.   There are at least two different utilities to look at exception handling info in files and they don't give me the same info.
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2015-04-14T04:03:36Z drmeister: I have someone else telling me to install a debugging version of the libunwind library and set environment variables to log the unwinding of exceptions to stdout - well the program terminates right after the exception is thrown with no logging message.   Although there are hundreds of logging messages printed as Clasp boots up.
2015-04-14T04:04:27Z drmeister: catchFunction is a C++ function with a try { ... funcall(thunk)...} catch (CatchThrow& exception) {...}
2015-04-14T04:04:36Z beach: drmeister: I think you need to figure this out outside of Clasp, i.e., write small test cases using LLVM that demonstrates what works and what doesn't.
2015-04-14T04:04:55Z drmeister: Every test case I've written works flawlessly.
2015-04-14T04:05:00Z beach: Wow.
2015-04-14T04:05:14Z drmeister: The only thing that doesn't work is JITed code
2015-04-14T04:05:33Z beach: So write a test case with JITed code?
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2015-04-14T04:12:31Z drmeister: Much easier said than done.
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2015-04-14T04:16:57Z jasom: drmeister: if you can translate a clasp test-case to pure c++ you can use c-reduce
2015-04-14T04:17:28Z jasom: though it's hard to get automated testing for the specific crash
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2015-04-14T04:20:09Z drmeister: I stand corrected - if I compile-file this:
2015-04-14T04:20:23Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8m3SlVjq
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2015-04-14T04:20:56Z drmeister: and load the FASL and type (test-all)  it fails right after "cb")
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2015-04-14T04:22:24Z drmeister: What am I saying - that's still JIT
2015-04-14T04:22:43Z drmeister: I'm calling COMPILE - hang on.
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2015-04-14T04:26:14Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ui236mBI
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2015-04-14T04:26:35Z drmeister: Works fine when I COMPILE-FILE it.
2015-04-14T04:27:33Z drmeister: Works fine when I LOAD it as well - even more weirdness.
2015-04-14T04:27:49Z beach: When does it not work?
2015-04-14T04:28:28Z drmeister: When I shut down CClasp and start it up again and then load it - it fails.
2015-04-14T04:29:22Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/I869OySK
2015-04-14T04:29:25Z beach: Doesn't look good in terms of reproducing it.
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2015-04-14T04:30:33Z drmeister: You see my problem here.
2015-04-14T04:30:46Z beach: Definitely.
2015-04-14T04:31:27Z drmeister: If I could just sit down with someone who knows this stuff for a few hours I think I'd be able to lick this - or learn how to debug it.
2015-04-14T04:31:28Z jasom: maybe exceptions generated from JITed code are only valid in the current runtime?
2015-04-14T04:31:56Z drmeister: jasom: That is certainly true but I'm not sure how it helps.
2015-04-14T04:32:23Z jasom: drmeister: are you recompiling it after restarting cclasp?
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2015-04-14T04:32:40Z drmeister: Oh - I see what you are getting at.
2015-04-14T04:33:00Z drmeister: If I restart clasp and then load the teh.fasl file - and run (test-all) --> it works.
2015-04-14T04:33:20Z drmeister: If I restart clasp and then (load "teh.lsp") and run (test-all) --> it breaks
2015-04-14T04:34:07Z drmeister: Currently after I (load "teh.lsp") it breaks - what I something was weird above - I don't know what happened there.
2015-04-14T04:34:36Z drmeister: s/what I something/when I said something/
2015-04-14T04:35:42Z drmeister: No - that definitely happened - something weird happened up there:
2015-04-14T04:35:44Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nqbRwLVy
2015-04-14T04:35:50Z drmeister: I have a record of it.
2015-04-14T04:36:23Z drmeister: Trying to reproduce...
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2015-04-14T04:39:03Z drmeister: There's something weird going on when I introduce the typo (load "teh.lisp")
2015-04-14T04:39:18Z drmeister: After that everything goes weird - it might be an exception handling problem.
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2015-04-14T04:40:43Z drmeister: I can restart clasp, load the "teh.fasl" and run (test-all) --> works
2015-04-14T04:40:53Z smokeink: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147033
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2015-04-14T04:42:26Z drmeister: I can JIT compile "cthrower" and it still works.   But once I JIT compile "ccatcher" it breaks.
2015-04-14T04:44:29Z jasom: smokeink: you can replace the 'quote with (quote quote) and it still works
2015-04-14T04:44:57Z jasom: smokeink: you may or may not have access to the ' read macro when you are defining it
2015-04-14T04:45:26Z smokeink: yes, got it
2015-04-14T04:45:48Z smokeink: he should have defined it using (quote quote)
2015-04-14T04:46:16Z jasom: smokeink: also, there is a long history in lisp of defining metacircular evaluators (i.e. defining a given special form or macro in terms of all of the others)
2015-04-14T04:46:39Z jasom: smokeink: those aren't generally useful for creating an implementation, but can clarify what each item is intended to do
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2015-04-14T05:13:26Z beach: smokeink: Also, if you write an implementation (target) to be bootstrapped from a different implementation (host), then it might well be the host reader that reads that target code.
2015-04-14T05:13:38Z beach: smokeink: Welcome to the world of bootstrapping.
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2015-04-14T05:14:22Z beach: drmeister: What have you learned so far?
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2015-04-14T05:15:49Z drmeister: I haven't learned anything new.
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2015-04-14T05:16:11Z beach: smokeink: So, for instance, the SICL reader macro for single quote uses the ' character.
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2015-04-14T05:18:44Z drmeister: I'm recompiling CClasp using throwFunction rather than the THROW-AST/THROW-INSTRUCTION and tomorrow I can check if it changes the pattern of what combinations of BClasp/CClasp throwers and catchers work.  My other guess is that it's a C++ type info problem - although all of my efforts to determine that have come up negative.  Maybe if the thrower
2015-04-14T05:18:44Z drmeister: (throwFunction) is in the executable with the catcher (catchFunction) then the pattern will change and (ccatcher #'cthrower) may work.
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2015-04-14T05:19:33Z drmeister: When I was convinced that the problem was in how I called the throwFunction "invoke" vs "call" - before I set up THROW-AST/THROW-INSTRUCTION I thought I was seeing different behavior.
2015-04-14T05:19:50Z drmeister: The problem with all of this is it takes hours of compile time to test a hypothesis.
2015-04-14T05:19:57Z drmeister: Meanwhile my life is bleeding away.
2015-04-14T05:20:16Z drmeister: I am getting so fed up.
2015-04-14T05:20:52Z Zhivago: Get some undergrads.
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2015-04-14T05:21:28Z drmeister: I know why no one has every written a Common Lisp that interoperates with C++ - they have more sense than I have.
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2015-04-14T05:23:53Z beach: drmeister: I suggest you take a break and work on your demo instead.
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2015-04-14T05:32:09Z beach: smokeink: For some reason, there is this widespread idea that a Common Lisp system has to be bootstrapped from something at a lower level, such as C.  I am not sure where this idea got started.
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2015-04-14T05:32:57Z Bike: well, it's almost inevitable when you talk about "lower levels".
2015-04-14T05:33:10Z Bike: how do you build higher levels? you build on top of lower levels. silly metaphor
2015-04-14T05:34:07Z beach: So you are saying this idea is just a result of using such words in the discourse?
2015-04-14T05:34:45Z Bike: only partly, of course, but it's probably an issue, yeah.
2015-04-14T05:34:56Z Zhivago: It's because a lot of the bootstrapping is tedious.
2015-04-14T05:35:01Z beach: Interesting idea.
2015-04-14T05:35:07Z Zhivago: Do you really want to understand the new architecture?
2015-04-14T05:35:16Z Zhivago: Or is the abstraction that C provides good enough?
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2015-04-14T05:36:23Z Bike: anyone who knows c very well knows that acting like it's a transparent proxy over the machine is ridiculous. hell, assembly isn't even a transparent proxy any more, on any pc-level computer. but C provides a machine that's supported "everywhere" so people go off that.
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2015-04-14T05:38:52Z beach: I can definitely see using C as a target architecture, i.e. a backend.
2015-04-14T05:44:14Z Zhivago: drmeister: Don't you have any undergrads for the slave-mills?
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2015-04-14T06:10:41Z emaczen: In this type-specifier: (OR (INTEGER 1) (FLOAT (0))) what is (INTEGER 1)?
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2015-04-14T06:11:03Z beach: An integer that is greater than or equal to 1.
2015-04-14T06:11:49Z beach: clhs integer
2015-04-14T06:11:49Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_intege.htm
2015-04-14T06:12:26Z Bike: as an undergraduate slave i feel that i should be offended... not that i'm a chemistry student.
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2015-04-14T06:17:12Z pillton: You should be offended.
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2015-04-14T06:17:44Z pillton: You are only cheap once. Use the time wisely.
2015-04-14T06:18:48Z beach: Hmm.  I think the ANSI test suite needs a bunch of ASDF system definitions.
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2015-04-14T06:46:01Z H4ns: dim: therep?
2015-04-14T06:46:20Z H4ns: dim: never mind
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2015-04-14T06:48:21Z H4ns: flip214: i meant you :)
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2015-04-14T06:59:01Z flip214: H4ns: already pushed a new version.
2015-04-14T06:59:07Z flip214: Thanks a lot for the quick feedback, BTW!
2015-04-14T06:59:44Z H4ns: looks good, yes.
2015-04-14T06:59:53Z H4ns: why don't you use threads on the raspberry pi?
2015-04-14T07:00:04Z flip214: H4ns: because SBCL doesn't support them yet on ARM32?
2015-04-14T07:00:14Z H4ns: ah, sbcl, ok
2015-04-14T07:01:07Z flip214: Sorry for the github discussion; if I had known your reply-speed and working times I would have simple started here ;)
2015-04-14T07:01:28Z flip214: I guess you'd have liked that a bit better.
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2015-04-14T07:01:59Z flip214: Thank you very much for the cooperation! That's really Open Source at its best ;)
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2015-04-14T07:02:39Z H4ns: no problem at all.
2015-04-14T07:03:09Z flip214: Is there another lisp for ARM that's multithreaded and produces machine code?
2015-04-14T07:03:23Z flip214: I'm using that for PWM, so I need every bit of performance I can get.
2015-04-14T07:03:25Z H4ns: clozure cl?
2015-04-14T07:04:24Z H4ns: but like any other lisp, it contains a garbage collector and thus won't be suitable for generating real-time signals.
2015-04-14T07:04:33Z H4ns: i'd recommend using the hardware for pwm generation instead.
2015-04-14T07:05:07Z flip214: GC isn't really a problem, nearly everything is allocated once.
2015-04-14T07:05:23Z flip214: and the few cons cells in the main loop are scavenged very easily.
2015-04-14T07:05:57Z H4ns: well, then clozure cl should fit the bill
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2015-04-14T07:45:57Z Posterdati: flip214: hi
2015-04-14T07:46:12Z Posterdati: froggey: hi
2015-04-14T07:46:44Z alezost: Hi people.  I just wanted to tell that I like the following phrase from <http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/>: "The libraries were last updated on August 7, 2015."
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2015-04-14T11:40:48Z Posterdati: I did a function to place pictures in a svg file, on linux sbcl 1.2.10 they've got scaled on osx sbcl 10 images have got scaled border, but not the image... please help
2015-04-14T11:41:18Z Posterdati: same sbcl on both linux and osx (yosemite)
2015-04-14T11:41:40Z Posterdati: scaled pictures appeared not scaled if the svg is opened using firefox
2015-04-14T11:42:08Z Xach: Posterdati: that sounds like a viewer problem or an svg problem, not a lisp problem.
2015-04-14T11:42:12Z Shinmera: What makes you think this has anything to do with SBCL?
2015-04-14T11:44:02Z Posterdati: nothing
2015-04-14T11:44:48Z Posterdati: maybe someone has scaled pictures in lisp generated svg
2015-04-14T11:46:35Z tuturto: Posterdati: are you saving generated svg on file? could you compare if the files are different?
2015-04-14T11:46:44Z tuturto: might help narrow down things
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2015-04-14T13:29:47Z smokeink: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147053 when i access the route i want it to print to the SLIME REPL, how to do it?
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2015-04-14T13:32:16Z pjb: smokeink: you can save it (defvar *out* *standard-output*) in the slime repl.
2015-04-14T13:32:29Z pjb: Then  you can use *out* to write to it, even when *standard-output* changes.
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2015-04-14T13:37:02Z smokeink: thanks
2015-04-14T13:37:41Z pjb: It's kind of a bummer that swank doesn't keep this stream around.  Perhaps a bug report would be in order.
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2015-04-14T13:40:31Z digiorgi: hi, any portable way to get the current working directory and change it?
2015-04-14T13:40:58Z pjb: uiop/os:getcwd
2015-04-14T13:41:11Z oleo: hello :)
2015-04-14T13:41:22Z digiorgi: pjb: why you know everything? thanks!
2015-04-14T13:41:37Z pjb: and uiop/filesystem:with-current-directory
2015-04-14T13:41:45Z pjb: digiorgi: because I know cl:apropos
2015-04-14T13:41:47Z pjb: clhs apropos
2015-04-14T13:41:47Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_apropo.htm
2015-04-14T13:41:51Z pjb: and google.
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2015-04-14T13:52:22Z pjb: you just need to know some synonyms for stuff.  eg. current working direction -> (map nil 'apropos '("cwd" "current" "directory"))
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2015-04-14T15:59:06Z beach: Good evening everyone!
2015-04-14T15:59:25Z oleo: eve beach!
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2015-04-14T16:00:46Z fe[nl]ix_: hi beach
2015-04-14T16:01:41Z beach: Are there still platforms for which it is necessary to use the file extension .lsp rather than .lisp?
2015-04-14T16:04:20Z PuercoPop: DOS is long gone afaik
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2015-04-14T16:06:21Z beach: It's not *that* big a problem.  ASDF can handle .lsp as well.
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2015-04-14T16:06:44Z oleo: HPUX ?
2015-04-14T16:06:45Z beach: I am trying to create a bunch of ASDF system definitions for the ANSI test suite.
2015-04-14T16:07:03Z oleo: where is .lps even used ?
2015-04-14T16:07:07Z oleo: err .lsp
2015-04-14T16:07:15Z oleo: unices ?
2015-04-14T16:07:23Z oleo: probably
2015-04-14T16:07:34Z jackdaniel: oleo: ECL uses it for intern files as extension for lisp
2015-04-14T16:07:43Z beach: In the ANSI test suite it is used, and in ECL, so also in Clasp.
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2015-04-14T16:08:23Z jackdaniel: ansi-test-suite was primarily done for gcl afaik, so i suspect common ancestor :-)
2015-04-14T16:08:39Z beach: Very likely.
2015-04-14T16:08:45Z beach: By the way, if anyone feels like writing an ASDF definition from time to time for the ANSI test suite, I take contributions.
2015-04-14T16:08:59Z beach: I am thinking one system definition for each "feature" and a global one.
2015-04-14T16:09:20Z beach: https://github.com/robert-strandh/ansi-cl-tests
2015-04-14T16:10:05Z beach: At the moment, I think it is preferable not to change anything else; just add ASDF system definitions as an additional way of building the test suite.
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2015-04-14T16:10:20Z beach: So contributors can't break very much.
2015-04-14T16:11:58Z beach secretly says to himself: "dream on, dude".
2015-04-14T16:12:58Z adlai: wasn't there a groveller?
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2015-04-14T16:14:55Z beach: adlai: What's the context?
2015-04-14T16:15:41Z adlai: for grovelling asdf metadata... though now that i read about it, using it for what you just described would probably be about as much work as writing the .asds from scratch
2015-04-14T16:15:59Z adlai: ( http://boinkor.net/archives/2007/01/explaining_some_features_of_as.html )
2015-04-14T16:16:59Z beach: Yeah, probably not worth it.  The dependencies are implicitly defined in files that LOAD other files or call the compiler on other files.
2015-04-14T16:17:38Z adlai: adg seems to be designed for distangling :serial t
2015-04-14T16:18:27Z beach: :serial t is perfectly fine with me.  In fact, it saves a lot of :depends-on.
2015-04-14T16:19:03Z Xach: i think adg was motivated by a project that took a long long time to build serially
2015-04-14T16:19:17Z Xach should read that blog post
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2015-04-14T16:21:17Z beach: Recently, I decided to use :serial t exclusively, possibly with the exception of systems that from experience take a very long time to build.
2015-04-14T16:22:23Z beach: I find it is easy to get the dependencies wrong, and then things will work until they break mysteriously because a dependency was forgotten.
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2015-04-14T16:32:21Z Shinmera: beach: As per your and Fare's suggestion I did a test recording. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwGBDVpnZco&feature=youtu.be
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2015-04-14T16:32:46Z beach: Shinmera: Great!
2015-04-14T16:32:51Z Shinmera hurries off to drown his shame with Let's Plays.
2015-04-14T16:33:54Z Bike: wow, i would not have even considered pronouncing it "emm cee cee lim"
2015-04-14T16:34:03Z beach: Shinmera: It is pronounced "mac Klimm"
2015-04-14T16:34:11Z Shinmera: I now realise that.
2015-04-14T16:34:27Z Bike: you're swiss, right? not so many Mc prefixes thereabouts, i imagine
2015-04-14T16:34:32Z Shinmera: Yes.
2015-04-14T16:35:05Z Shinmera: My roots in the german language trip me over often enough when it comes to the pronunciation of English abbreviations.
2015-04-14T16:35:47Z Shinmera: I hope I won't forget again until the actual talk.
2015-04-14T16:37:27Z beach: Shinmera: It is pronounced "sooper class" (US) or "syuper class" (UK) and not "supper class"
2015-04-14T16:37:51Z Shinmera: Yeah, I know. I tripped over my tongue there.
2015-04-14T16:37:53Z p_l: I see a pre-ELS meetup organising?
2015-04-14T16:38:33Z Shinmera is, as is probably evident by the video, not at all used to recording himself speaking.
2015-04-14T16:39:00Z beach: Shinmera: It is fine in general.
2015-04-14T16:39:17Z Shinmera: How about the content?
2015-04-14T16:39:28Z beach: Fine too.
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2015-04-14T16:39:33Z Shinmera: Ok, phew.
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2015-04-14T16:42:41Z beach: Shinmera: Good work.  You will be the only one to stick to the 5 minute limit.
2015-04-14T16:42:51Z Shinmera: Heh
2015-04-14T16:43:19Z Shinmera: Well, I'm probably  going to breach it with my other one, but I haven't tested that thoroughly yet and I have the more or less unfortunate ability to speak very very quickly should the need arise.
2015-04-14T16:43:24Z work: you guys, i think beach might be a cyborg due to how he never sleeps
2015-04-14T16:44:18Z p_l: work: eh? his hours are quite distinctive, if you see beach saying goodmorning while living in UK it means you stayed up waaaaaaaay tooo late ;)
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2015-04-14T16:44:46Z beach likes the characterization "distinctive".
2015-04-14T16:44:55Z work: so in this case, that means that beach himself is up too late
2015-04-14T16:45:25Z beach: I start working at 4-5am when I wake up.  But that's off topic really.
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2015-04-14T16:45:52Z work: I just got up and its almost noon
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2015-04-14T16:46:30Z beach: Lessee, north America, not quite on the east coast.  Right?
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2015-04-14T20:29:15Z fxck: did you guys watch the falcon launch just now
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2015-04-14T20:30:19Z Xach: fxck: that is best discussed somewhere else
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2015-04-14T20:32:21Z fxck: JPL uses lisp for stuff
2015-04-14T20:32:26Z fxck: there is lisp in space
2015-04-14T20:33:24Z Xach: Not any more.
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2015-04-14T20:36:53Z fxck: Xach people like you are the cancer that is killing Lisp
2015-04-14T20:37:12Z fxck: The reason people even need the phrase "smug lisp weenie" is for you and others like you
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2015-04-14T20:38:23Z Xach: fxck: Go away.
2015-04-14T20:38:31Z fxck: You first.
2015-04-14T20:38:34Z Shinmera: Jolly.
2015-04-14T20:38:36Z ChanServ has set mode +o Xach
2015-04-14T20:38:40Z dlowe: fxck: yes, go away. dear lord.
2015-04-14T20:38:45Z Xach has set mode -b *!*Jackk@*.access.mtnbusiness.co.za
2015-04-14T20:38:47Z Xach has set mode +b *!*work____o@unaffiliated/work-op/x-9031893
2015-04-14T20:38:50Z fxck [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (fxck)
2015-04-14T20:38:52Z Xach has set mode -o Xach
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2015-04-14T20:40:13Z adlai: hey, i'm a smug lisp weenie too!
2015-04-14T20:40:33Z ChanServ has set mode +o Xach
2015-04-14T20:40:53Z Xach has set mode -bbbb *!~river@*.sbcglobal.net *!*unoyunodo@213.143.51.* *!*ignossi@213.143.51.* *!*igor@90.174.0.*
2015-04-14T20:40:56Z Xach has set mode -bb *!*~ebola@* *!*traasta@213.143.51.*
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2015-04-14T20:41:36Z dlowe: seems like expiration of bans is something a bot could be taught to do.
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2015-04-14T20:43:23Z Bicyclidine: there's probably some provision for it in services
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2015-04-14T20:46:50Z Xach: FYI, fxck is now posting my home address and threatening a swatting.
2015-04-14T20:46:53Z Xach: That's pretty rude.
2015-04-14T20:47:56Z cpc26: he should have went to #lispcafe
2015-04-14T20:48:57Z oleo: brb 31
2015-04-14T20:49:01Z Bicyclidine: What the fuck? You might want to tell the local police...
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2015-04-14T20:49:30Z xach_small_cock_: idk man, its probably too late for the police
2015-04-14T20:49:37Z xach_small_cock_: id just sit tight if i were u
2015-04-14T20:49:45Z xach_small_cock_: do u pray much?
2015-04-14T20:49:50Z Bicyclidine: Good lord this is stupid.
2015-04-14T20:50:05Z adlai starts to appreciate channels with a [de]voicing policy
2015-04-14T20:50:14Z xach_small_cock_: its real important when they come in is to keep your hands where they can see them
2015-04-14T20:50:19Z xach_small_cock_: they get real nervous
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2015-04-14T20:50:50Z oleo: sry but officer said tits too.....
2015-04-14T20:50:52Z oleo: lol
2015-04-14T20:50:54Z adlai: 71.45.83.114, now that's a nice IP address
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2015-04-14T20:51:16Z Xach has set mode -o Xach
2015-04-14T20:51:34Z alpha-: you might wanna report to an ircop if he keeps trying to evade ban
2015-04-14T20:51:42Z oleo: huehuehue
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2015-04-14T20:54:14Z Bicyclidine: freenode would probably also have some interest in illegal activity like detailed threats. of course, with how these people usually go they'll either never use freenode again or get k-lined for doing the same thing in three other channels.
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2015-04-14T21:00:50Z akkad misses the days of managing klines on freenode
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2015-04-14T21:02:59Z akkad: ,clhs describe
2015-04-14T21:03:10Z Xach: http://l1sp.org/cl/describe
2015-04-14T21:03:32Z akkad: I need the url from the guys who sell that expensive sbcl clone.
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2015-04-14T21:04:01Z Xach: akkad: I don't think there's anything like that.
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2015-04-14T21:09:53Z akkad: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_desc_1.htm
2015-04-14T21:10:31Z Bicyclidine: that is where the l1sp link went, yes
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2015-04-14T21:25:41Z Posterdati: Xach: who was him?
2015-04-14T21:26:57Z Xach: Posterdati: I don't know.
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2015-04-14T21:29:42Z Posterdati: strange, this is a programming related channel, there's no meaning to insult people here... Must be a sick joke
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2015-04-14T21:29:56Z dkcl: Xach: I didn't know about l1sp.org, thanks
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2015-04-14T21:32:19Z akkad: looks like his name is Madhu
2015-04-14T21:34:58Z Xach: akkad: What suggests that to you?
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2015-04-14T21:37:06Z akkad: irclog db
2015-04-14T21:37:44Z Xach: akkad: Can you be more specific? I'm familiar with a Madhu, but one with a very very different MO.
2015-04-14T21:37:51Z akkad: very common nick nevermind
2015-04-14T21:38:20Z akkad: *** fxck is madhu@meer.net
2015-04-14T21:38:21Z akkad: wrong gy
2015-04-14T21:38:23Z akkad: guy
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2015-04-14T21:51:59Z pjb: Xach: oh! DS1 came back?  Where is it? Can I visit it?
2015-04-14T21:52:42Z pjb: Xach: http://nmp.nasa.gov/ds1/gen/orbit.html
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2015-04-14T21:53:39Z pjb: Happily, for "deep space" sondes, NASA cannot destroy them in the Earth atmosphere like it does for the other space stations.
2015-04-14T21:54:59Z cpc26: that was a great google talk
2015-04-14T21:55:13Z Xach: Which?
2015-04-14T21:55:27Z cpc26: the DS1 LISP
2015-04-14T21:56:04Z cpc26: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ
2015-04-14T21:56:21Z cpc26: "The Remote Agent Experiment: Debugging Code from 60 Million Miles Away"
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