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2015-03-13T00:28:03Z White_Flame: are there any examples of using esrap for lexing+parsing full programming-langauge type grammars?
2015-03-13T00:28:22Z White_Flame: (or even simple programming language style grammars)
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2015-03-13T01:11:01Z jasom: White_Flame: does sh count?
2015-03-13T01:11:24Z jasom: though in that case, I didn't build a parse tree, but a series of lisp functions and macros to invoke to perform the shell command(s)
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2015-03-13T01:36:33Z jasom: White_Flame: https://phab.jasom.org/diffusion/RA/browse/master/plush-parser.lisp <-- ignore anything starting with "here-doc" as it's really confusing; I may be able to rewrite that part now that I'm not using a separate token/parse stage anyway
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2015-03-13T01:38:09Z jasom: the whole point of the newline-skip was to hide here-documents from the tokenizer; now that I don't have a tokenizer, I can probably do it a *lot* more cleanly
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2015-03-13T01:43:58Z White_Flame: right, it's basically whitespace, comments, and punctuation that's annoying
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2015-03-13T01:45:30Z eudoxia: White_Flame: https://github.com/eudoxia0/cmacro/blob/master/src/parser.lisp
2015-03-13T01:45:45Z eudoxia: note that this is a more lenient variant of C syntax, rather than the strict parser you'd use in a C compiler
2015-03-13T01:45:56Z scymtym: White_Flame: WIP Python 2/3 parser: https://gist.github.com/scymtym/869af149165c1542f3b8 (may be an atypical example due to Python's indentation rules)
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2015-03-13T01:46:29Z scymtym: look at DEFRULE/S for whitespace and comment handling
2015-03-13T01:46:52Z Zhivago: Does it handle typedef?
2015-03-13T01:53:54Z White_Flame: I certainly wish that there was a "consume but don't output" operation for ignoring separators
2015-03-13T01:55:46Z White_Flame: and technically, wouldn't (and "macro" (? whitespace) identifier) match "macrofoo"?
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2015-03-13T02:01:01Z scymtym: White_Flame: i suggest (defrule macro-keyword/whitespace (and "macro" whitespace)) (defrule macro (and macro-keyword/whitespace identifier)) [or (? whitespace) depending on the intention] for such cases; that is what the DEFRULE/S mentioned above automates.
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2015-03-13T02:02:45Z White_Flame: scymtym: right, but that leaks lexing knowledge into the parsing knowledge
2015-03-13T02:03:10Z White_Flame: because you have to know & inject tests for where punctuation is sufficient for delineation, or whitespace is required
2015-03-13T02:03:33Z White_Flame: and that's repeated in a ton of places, whereas that determination is automated in a lexer
2015-03-13T02:06:31Z scymtym: sure, even with such an abbreviation, the situation is not ideal, but i can't think of anything better without having a lexer
2015-03-13T02:07:11Z White_Flame: right.  My forays into a combined lexer/parser effectively had "lex rules" and "parse rules" as peers in the same spec
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2015-03-13T02:49:35Z clintm: akkad: yea, though I use lispstick when on windows.  It's pretty awesome.
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2015-03-13T03:35:48Z White_Flame: I had slime on windows a while ago, and I didn't recall anything goofy to get it running
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2015-03-13T03:36:57Z pillton: One thing I remember being annoying was that applications had different opinions on what the home directory should be.
2015-03-13T03:37:07Z pillton: Hola beach.
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2015-03-13T04:32:01Z jasom: White_Flame: the plush parser I posted was originally separate lex/parse stages, so it has separate lex/parse rules essentially.  The fact that you can use parser knowledge to backtrack in the lexer without doing anything special is still nice, since the boundary is now just convention, rather than communication between two tools
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2015-03-13T04:33:45Z jasom: And you can form tokens differently depending on how things parse, which is also not really doable otherwise
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2015-03-13T04:35:04Z jasom: (the shell "here document" being a really good example of this)
2015-03-13T04:37:06Z jasom: Also, in shell, "$(foo '"') bar(" is a single token, so you need a really smart tokenize stage anyway.
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2015-03-13T05:39:24Z jeaye: In a DOLIST, I want to LET a variable, check its value, maybe operate and, if so, continue to the next DOLIST item, skipping the rest of the expressions. Example: https://gist.github.com/jeaye/a1a005650385390071fb
2015-03-13T05:39:58Z jeaye: In a C-like language, I'd use 'continue' after calling 's'. How can I do this in lisp?
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2015-03-13T05:41:35Z Bike: well, the easiest way is to make the expressions continue.
2015-03-13T05:41:45Z Bike: er. conditional.
2015-03-13T05:42:11Z beach: jeaye: A DOLIST body is an implicit TAGBODY.  You can use tags and GO forms.
2015-03-13T05:42:29Z Bike: oh. i guess you could do that.
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2015-03-13T05:43:29Z jeaye: beach: I'm not familiar with this. I'll need a bit to read up on it.
2015-03-13T05:43:36Z beach: clhs dolist
2015-03-13T05:43:36Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_dolist.htm
2015-03-13T05:43:56Z jeaye: Bike: I had considered using COND for this, but I wasn't sure if it'd work.
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2015-03-13T05:44:26Z beach: jeaye: Having said that, I recommend you use LOOP instead of DOLIST.  But since the LOOP body is not an implicit tagbody, you need to use a conditional such as UNLESS as bike suggests.
2015-03-13T05:44:57Z beach: jeaye: It is probably better to put the "maybe operate" part in an UNLESS construct.
2015-03-13T05:46:09Z jeaye: I'm not tied to DOLIST at all, so I can use LOOP.
2015-03-13T05:46:57Z beach: jeaye: ... as in (loop for item in root for s = (gethash (car item foos)) (unless (null s) (funcall s item)))
2015-03-13T05:47:51Z beach: er, ... as in (loop for item in root for s = (gethash (car item foos)) unless (null s) do (funcall s item))
2015-03-13T05:47:56Z beach: YOu get the idea.
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2015-03-13T05:48:11Z Bike: jeaye: i mean, rearrange (if foo (bar) [continue]) (when baz ...) to (if foo (bar) (when baz ...))
2015-03-13T05:48:44Z beach: jeaye: By replacing the LET by the LOOP construct FOR s = ... you can use the LOOP construct UNLESS ... DO ...
2015-03-13T05:49:33Z ggole: Perhaps I'm misreading, but doesn't jeaye want to terminate the traversal if the check fails?
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2015-03-13T05:50:34Z beach: Oh.  I saw `continue' so I thought he wanted to do the next iteration.
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2015-03-13T05:50:46Z beach frequently misunderstands questions here.
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2015-03-13T05:52:46Z jeaye: I don't want to evaluate 'f' if I evaluate 's'
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2015-03-13T05:53:04Z jeaye: But I don't necessarily want to keep 's' in scope while evaluating 's'
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2015-03-13T05:54:34Z Bike: if there's no harm in doing so you may as well.
2015-03-13T05:55:01Z jeaye: for(item : root){ if(s = foos[blah]){ s(item); continue; } if(f = bars[blah]){ f(item); continue; } } // pseudo code
2015-03-13T05:55:16Z Bike: if there is, beach's suggestion works well enough: (dolist (...) (if f whatever (go continue)) (if g ...) continue)
2015-03-13T05:55:50Z Bike: if the whole thing's arranged like that cond is easiest.
2015-03-13T05:55:52Z ggole: Seems like you could use or
2015-03-13T05:56:21Z ggole: (dolist (elt list) (let ((f (or (gethash ...) (gethash ...)))) (when f (funcall f))))
2015-03-13T05:56:43Z Bike: (dolist (...) (cond ((= s (aref foos blah)) (s item)) ((= f (aref bars blah)) (f item)) ...))
2015-03-13T05:56:46Z jeaye: ggole: That's an interesting approach.
2015-03-13T05:56:47Z Bike: or case, really.
2015-03-13T05:57:17Z jeaye: Bike: That means I need to calculate s and f before the COND, right?
2015-03-13T05:57:40Z Bike: probably not? this is all pretty abstract for some reason.
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2015-03-13T05:58:31Z beach: Yeah.  A real example would be better.
2015-03-13T05:58:32Z jeaye: Also, is it commonplace to capitalize these specials in chat? In the docs I read, they are. I'm still picking up the culture of it all.
2015-03-13T05:59:01Z Bike: specials?
2015-03-13T05:59:17Z Bike: oh, you mean like LET and so on? that's just to make it a bit easier to read.
2015-03-13T05:59:25Z beach: jeaye: It is common to capitalize Common Lisp symbols to distinguish them from ordinary English text.
2015-03-13T05:59:42Z Bike: like how in a book you set them in monospace or something.
2015-03-13T05:59:43Z jeaye: beach: https://gist.github.com/jeaye/a1a005650385390071fb
2015-03-13T06:00:04Z jeaye: The very bottom is the code I've been pondering.
2015-03-13T06:00:34Z Bike: ggole's seems goood for that.
2015-03-13T06:01:13Z Bike: also, convention thing: when you do defvar, what that makes is called a "special variable", and they're usually denoted *likeso*. so *root* instead of root, and such.
2015-03-13T06:01:28Z jeaye: I'm working on (well, just started on) a lisp implementation (porting from C++).
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2015-03-13T06:01:51Z jeaye: Bike: Ah, right.
2015-03-13T06:02:29Z jeaye: My nomenclature has been incorrect.
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2015-03-13T06:03:51Z Bike: well, there is also such a thing as a "special operator".
2015-03-13T06:03:55Z Bike: clhs special-operator-p
2015-03-13T06:03:55Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_specia.htm
2015-03-13T06:04:49Z jeaye: Ah, that's what I was thinking.
2015-03-13T06:04:54Z jeaye: Hence the 'specials' variable.
2015-03-13T06:05:31Z jeaye: Now that my code is here, I need to put 'specials' at line 13. Is there a better way to do this?
2015-03-13T06:06:25Z beach: jeaye: Another thing: the expectation of WHEN and UNLESS is that the conditional form should be Boolean, not a different object that might default to NIL.  Instead of (WHEN F ...) I would therefore write (UNLESS (NULL F) ...) in you case.
2015-03-13T06:06:39Z beach: in YOUR case.
2015-03-13T06:07:01Z jeaye: beach: Same with line 3?
2015-03-13T06:07:08Z beach: Yes.
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2015-03-13T06:07:32Z jeaye: Excellent.
2015-03-13T06:07:50Z beach: That's unrelated to your iteration question though.  Just saying.
2015-03-13T06:08:03Z jeaye: No, I appreciate it.
2015-03-13T06:08:13Z jeaye: The more idiomatic my lisp is, the better.
2015-03-13T06:09:05Z beach: This document is excellent: norvig.com/luv-slides.ps
2015-03-13T06:10:05Z jeaye: Downloaded.
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2015-03-13T06:11:12Z |3b| finds (when x ...) more readable than 
2015-03-13T06:11:18Z |3b|: (unless (null x) ...)
2015-03-13T06:11:24Z beach: jeaye: It is unusual to write code such as READ-FILE (that will silently fail if the file does not exist) in Common Lisp.
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2015-03-13T06:11:38Z beach: jeaye: It is much better to let it signal an error.
2015-03-13T06:12:02Z jeaye: beach: I absolutely agree. I haven't really bothered with error handling yet, intentionally.
2015-03-13T06:12:08Z beach: jeaye: Otherwise, you get into the C-style of testing error values after every call.  And then you forget one day...
2015-03-13T06:12:44Z beach: jeaye: The good news is that if you don't bother with it, it will be signaled for you, whereas in read-file, you explicitly bothered by avoiding the signaling.
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2015-03-13T06:13:11Z jeaye: beach: Anything I explicitly did was unknowingly, most likely. :P
2015-03-13T06:13:30Z jeaye: Ah, you mean the :if-does-not-exist nil
2015-03-13T06:13:35Z beach: Yes.
2015-03-13T06:13:47Z jeaye: I understand.
2015-03-13T06:15:34Z jeaye: |3b|: It's certainly less to type.
2015-03-13T06:15:43Z jeaye: Do the behave exactly the same?
2015-03-13T06:15:55Z jeaye: clhs let
2015-03-13T06:15:55Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_let_l.htm
2015-03-13T06:16:41Z jeaye: So, in lisp, every new local variable is a new scope using let?
2015-03-13T06:17:02Z |3b|: let is 1 new scope even if it has multiple variables
2015-03-13T06:17:44Z jeaye: Ah, let supports multiple variables. I see that in the docs now.
2015-03-13T06:18:41Z jeaye: Ok, I'm good for now. Thanks again, all that helped.
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2015-03-13T06:22:08Z White_Flame: with paredit, how do you do multi-line entry in slime?
2015-03-13T06:22:24Z jasom: jeaye: note that let binds all variables "at the same time" and let* does them in sequence: (let ((x 1) (y x)) ...) => undefined variable x (let* ((x 1)(y x)) ...) works
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2015-03-13T06:22:52Z jeaye: jasom: Right. I've read up on this, but haven't needed let* yet.
2015-03-13T06:22:58Z jeaye: Thanks.
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2015-03-13T06:25:28Z jeaye: clhs null
2015-03-13T06:25:28Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_null.htm
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2015-03-13T06:36:18Z Zhivago: The main impact is with things like (let ((a b) (b a)) ...)
2015-03-13T06:36:41Z Zhivago: The evaluation occurs prior to the establishment of the new variables.
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2015-03-13T07:15:29Z loke_: jeaye: LET* is really useful. Let me see if I can find some of my code that exemplifies it
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2015-03-13T07:18:22Z beach: (let* ((node (first nodes)) (children (children node)) (person (first children)) (adolescent-p (< (age person) 20))) ...)
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2015-03-13T07:19:55Z beach: Even more convincing when the accessors have much longer names, or explicit package prefixes making them long for that reason.
2015-03-13T07:19:58Z loke_: Here's an actual example from my code: https://github.com/lokedhs/cl-markup/blob/master/cl-markup.lisp#L57
2015-03-13T07:21:15Z loke_: And here's a bigger one. The code was ported from Javascript (and the javascript was written by a matematician which explains the terrible variable names):
2015-03-13T07:21:57Z pillton uses LET twice as often as LET*.
2015-03-13T07:21:58Z loke_: https://gist.github.com/lokedhs/d5348c4a221e1436000b#file-simplex-noise-L19
2015-03-13T07:22:11Z beach finished his reviews of papers for ELS 2015!  YAY!
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2015-03-13T07:22:36Z beach: There are some very good papers at ELS this year.  It should be a great conference.
2015-03-13T07:24:25Z loke_: I'd love to go
2015-03-13T07:24:37Z beach: You are a bit far.
2015-03-13T07:24:59Z loke_: True, but it's not too bad. Flight is around 12 hours
2015-03-13T07:25:13Z loke_: Hmm
2015-03-13T07:25:15Z loke_: 14 apparently
2015-03-13T07:25:17Z beach: When I spent a year in New Zealand, I realized that Singapore is half way from France to New Zealand.
2015-03-13T07:25:25Z pillton: Is there one of those remote teleoperated robots going?
2015-03-13T07:25:26Z Baggers: beach: Glad to hear, I'm excited about coming over
2015-03-13T07:25:49Z beach: Baggers: Great!
2015-03-13T07:25:59Z loke_: beach: Yes. When We considered going on vacation in NZ, I made the same discovery
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2015-03-13T07:26:04Z loke_: NZ "feels" close :-)
2015-03-13T07:26:08Z beach: I know.
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2015-03-13T07:26:44Z loke_: I'm flying to Tokyo tomorrow. That feels even closer, but is 7 hours away
2015-03-13T07:27:23Z beach: Before going to New Zealand, my wife contemplated taking advantage of it to visit India, before realizing that India is closer to France than to New Zealand.
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2015-03-13T07:32:26Z loke_: I do consider it acceptable. The issue is that my family might not want me to leave for that time for just a conference.
2015-03-13T07:32:50Z beach: Understandable.
2015-03-13T07:34:15Z loke_: Next year I might have material for a presentation though, assuming this project I'm working on is released
2015-03-13T07:34:25Z brucem: loke_ is in my region of the world, I guess.
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2015-03-13T07:34:38Z loke_: brucem: Where are you?
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2015-03-13T07:34:53Z brucem: loke_: Thailand (expat).
2015-03-13T07:35:51Z loke_: brucem: Yeah, we're close. I'm in Singapore.
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2015-03-13T07:37:59Z loke_: brucem: I'm Swedish though, which is probably why I don't object too much to the idea of going back to Europe for a conference.
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2015-03-13T07:50:15Z White_Flame: Should it be possible to paste in multi-line forms into SLIME with paredit?  That seems to be the only differentiator preventing me from pasting.
2015-03-13T07:52:04Z Shinmera: I've never had problems with any form of pasting.
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2015-03-13T07:54:08Z mega1`: White_Flame: Perhaps you are using middle mouse click in X to paste? Try emacs C-y to paste, instead.
2015-03-13T08:01:17Z PuercoPop: Does anyone remember the link to beach's small post where he explains clearly that there is no such thing as an interpreted/compiled language? I'm trying to get an article deleted from wikipedia
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2015-03-13T08:03:53Z flip214: (ql:quickload :cl-fad) right now gives me "invalid number of arguments: 4" in #<CL-SOURCE-FILE "cl-fad" "temporary-files">.
2015-03-13T08:04:07Z flip214: You already have the latest version of "quicklisp": 2015-03-02.
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2015-03-13T08:04:22Z flip214: The most up-to-date client, version 2015-01-28, is already installed.
2015-03-13T08:04:52Z White_Flame: mega1`: I tried C-y, Shift-Insert, and Edit->Paste.  All work for single line, none work for multi-line pastes
2015-03-13T08:05:19Z White_Flame: also related, kind of buried above, how do you type in multi-line expressions into slime with paredit?
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2015-03-13T08:05:30Z Shinmera: flip214: Can't reproduce
2015-03-13T08:05:40Z Shinmera: flip214: Try clearing your FASL cache in .cache/common-lisp/
2015-03-13T08:05:45Z flip214: Shinmera: I got it with sbcl 1.2.4, now have it with 1.2.8 too
2015-03-13T08:05:52Z flip214: already tried that twice
2015-03-13T08:06:06Z Shinmera: I'm on 1.2.6.32-1779a17
2015-03-13T08:07:02Z mega1`: White_Flame: are you referring to hitting enter in the slime repl?
2015-03-13T08:07:11Z Shinmera: What does (ql:where-is-system :cl-fad) give you?
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2015-03-13T08:07:14Z White_Flame: mega1`: yeah, I just found C-j
2015-03-13T08:07:21Z mega1`: great
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2015-03-13T08:07:29Z White_Flame: but the pastes are still a problem
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2015-03-13T08:07:57Z mega1`: describe what happens
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2015-03-13T08:08:12Z flip214: "$HOME/.quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/cl-fad-0.7.3/"
2015-03-13T08:08:15Z flip214: looks correct
2015-03-13T08:08:15Z White_Flame: ah screw it, it started working for no reason
2015-03-13T08:08:25Z Shinmera: flip214: That's what I have as well.
2015-03-13T08:08:40Z flip214: hmmm, same error now for #<CL-SOURCE-FILE "cl-unicode/build" "build" "util"> too??
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2015-03-13T08:17:31Z flip214: that looks strange...
2015-03-13T08:17:32Z flip214: 7: ((LABELS SB-C::GROVEL :IN SB-C::MAYBE-EMIT-MAKE-LOAD-FORMS) ((MERGE-PATHNAMES #P"Library/Frameworks/" (USER-HOMEDIR-PATHNAME)) #P"/Library/Frameworks/" #P"/System/Library/Frameworks/"))
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2015-03-13T08:53:30Z flip214: Shinmera: if you clean your ~/.cache directory and recompile with current ql, does it still work?
2015-03-13T08:53:42Z flip214: eg. cl-unicode?
2015-03-13T08:55:14Z Shinmera: I did even better: I built fresh from git and it still works. Both of them.
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2015-03-13T16:16:24Z beach: Good evening everyone!
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2015-03-13T16:53:37Z H4ns: with paredit switched on in the slime repl, is there a way to get history searching to work?
2015-03-13T16:54:05Z x1n4u: ~
2015-03-13T16:56:04Z Shinmera: H4ns: I just have the slime-repl-backward/forward-input bound to other keys.
2015-03-13T16:57:36Z H4ns: Shinmera: ah, but i could probably bind M-p and M-n to those and be happy, right?
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2015-03-13T16:59:01Z Shinmera: I don't know if those are occupied by something else by default, but I suppose so.
2015-03-13T16:59:12Z H4ns: thanks!
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2015-03-13T17:00:06Z H4ns: works awesomely.
2015-03-13T17:00:35Z Shinmera has them bound to C-x <up>/<down> but the two-key combo is really awkward
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2015-03-13T17:47:49Z drmeister: beach: Are you still up?
2015-03-13T17:48:03Z beach: Yes, I am here.  But dinner is going to be soon.
2015-03-13T17:48:49Z drmeister: How does this look for M-V-C?
2015-03-13T17:48:50Z drmeister: http://paste.lisp.org/display/146229
2015-03-13T17:49:29Z drmeister: Case of one form it creates a MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL-AST.   In the case of more than one form it uses a function call.
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2015-03-13T17:49:41Z drmeister: I haven't tested it yet - I'm recompiling everything.
2015-03-13T17:49:51Z beach: I think you have the right idea.
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2015-03-13T17:50:08Z drmeister: Ok, I'll do MULTIPLE-VALUE-PROG1 the same way - thanks!
2015-03-13T17:50:20Z beach: Let me know how it turns out.
2015-03-13T17:50:25Z drmeister: Will do.
2015-03-13T17:50:34Z drmeister: Have a good evening.
2015-03-13T17:50:55Z beach: Thanks.  I need some rest.
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2015-03-13T17:52:41Z RazWelles: How is setf getting the place in the list in (setf (getf (car *db*) :title) "Blargh")?
2015-03-13T17:53:06Z RazWelles: As far as I can tell, getf is only returning the value, I'm having trouble figuring out how setf is getting the place and *db* reference
2015-03-13T17:54:45Z jasom: Is there a slime command to evaluate the expression right before the cursor, and insert the result right after?
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2015-03-13T17:55:21Z ggole: C-u C-x C-e, I think
2015-03-13T17:55:33Z jasom: thanks
2015-03-13T17:55:50Z ggole: (If it works the same way the elisp one does.)
2015-03-13T17:55:58Z jasom: ggole: it worked
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2015-03-13T17:56:35Z jasom: And I fixed my here-document parsing: http://paste.lisp.org/display/146230
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2015-03-13T18:05:18Z RazWelles: How is setf getting the place in the list in (setf (getf (car *db*) :title) "Blargh")?
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2015-03-13T18:05:58Z Xach: RazWelles: it has special knowledge of GETF and CAR.
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2015-03-13T18:06:28Z RazWelles: Xach: ohh ok, I checked out getf alone but all it showed was the returned value, no place value or anything
2015-03-13T18:06:33Z RazWelles: Xach: where can I read more into that?
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2015-03-13T18:08:05Z dlowe: RazWelles: look up setf expanders
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2015-03-13T18:08:11Z RazWelles: dlowe: ty
2015-03-13T18:08:32Z adeht: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/early-setf.lisp#L472
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2015-03-13T18:12:15Z adeht: if you're using slime and compile sbcl from source (or have it and set the right source location) you can just M-. on getf and it will take you to the right place
2015-03-13T18:12:56Z ssake: I have macro with-structure that allocates c structure type and frees the pointer at end.
2015-03-13T18:13:30Z ssake: The macro works fine when I define and use it at sbcl repl but when I try to load the package with quicklisp I get error
2015-03-13T18:13:44Z RazWelles: adeht: I think I have it now.. I'm guessing that setf is a macro that expands and fills in its place information by picking apart getf?
2015-03-13T18:13:45Z ssake:    #.(SB-SYS:INT-SAP #X7FFFB800C370)
2015-03-13T18:13:46Z ssake: ;
2015-03-13T18:13:46Z ssake: ; caught ERROR:
2015-03-13T18:13:46Z ssake: ;   Objects of type SB-SYS:SYSTEM-AREA-POINTER can't be dumped into fasl files.
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2015-03-13T18:16:14Z adeht: RazWelles: yes.. good info on setf can be found in On Lisp: http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html .. see the chapter on Generalized Variables
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2015-03-13T18:17:30Z jasom: RazWelles: the hyperspec is actually really good resource on how setf works
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2015-03-13T18:17:46Z jasom: RazWelles: After reading it, I was able to implement setf on my own without any issues
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2015-03-13T18:18:19Z jasom: clhs get-setf-expansion
2015-03-13T18:18:19Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_get_se.htm
2015-03-13T18:18:36Z adeht: RazWelles: another explanation http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node80.html#SECTION001120000000000000000
2015-03-13T18:19:42Z jasom: clhs 5.1.2.2
2015-03-13T18:19:42Z specbot: Function Call Forms as Places: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/05_abb.htm
2015-03-13T18:20:40Z jasom: RazWelles: And if you want special behavior for your own functions, you can define them too, so e.g. (get-foo x y) will get something and (setf (get-foo x y) z) will set something
2015-03-13T18:21:26Z jasom: RazWelles: and one more thing; the documentation for GETF calls it an "Accessor" this is how you know there is a setf expansion for something in the standard; it will say "Function" otherwise
2015-03-13T18:21:32Z jasom: clhs getf
2015-03-13T18:21:32Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_getf.htm
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2015-03-13T18:23:39Z jasom: clhs 1.4.4.14
2015-03-13T18:23:39Z specbot: The ``Name'' Section of a Dictionary Entry: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_ddn.htm
2015-03-13T18:24:45Z adeht: ssake: lisppaste the macro.. I think you may be confused about when things should be evaluated
2015-03-13T18:24:47Z RazWelles: adeht, jasom oh man, thanks so much you guys
2015-03-13T18:25:19Z jasom: RazWelles: (get-setf-expansion '(getf (car *db*) :title))  <-- this might also be informative
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2015-03-13T18:26:43Z ssake: (defmacro with-struct ((symbol type &key (vals nil) (count 1)) &rest body)
2015-03-13T18:26:44Z ssake:   (let* ((symb (gensym))
2015-03-13T18:26:44Z ssake: 	 (pt (make-struct symb type :vals vals :count count)))
2015-03-13T18:26:44Z ssake:     `(let ((,symbol ,pt))
2015-03-13T18:26:44Z ssake:        (progn ,@body)
2015-03-13T18:26:46Z ssake:        (free-pointer ,pt)
2015-03-13T18:26:48Z ssake:        nil)))
2015-03-13T18:27:07Z jasom: ssake: http://paste.lisp.org/new instead of pasting code to the channel please
2015-03-13T18:27:09Z adeht: minion: lisppaste
2015-03-13T18:27:10Z minion: lisppaste: lisppaste is an IRC bot that runs under the nickname "lisppaste" and can be used (only for the #lisp IRC channel!) at http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp - or http://paste.lisp.org/ for other destinations
2015-03-13T18:27:50Z adeht: ssake: anyway, your expansion should have the make-struct form, not the expansion-generating code
2015-03-13T18:28:12Z jasom: ssake: I think you want (free-pointer ,symbol) in there
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2015-03-13T18:28:47Z H4ns: ssake_: the progn is either not needed or should be (prog1 (progn ,@body) ...)
2015-03-13T18:29:10Z adeht: also it's not a good idea to use key params like that
2015-03-13T18:29:27Z H4ns: one could call it a complete failure :)
2015-03-13T18:29:35Z pjb: No it should be (unwind-protect (progn ,@body) (free-pointer ,symbol))
2015-03-13T18:29:40Z H4ns: ssake_: no offense intended
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2015-03-13T18:31:32Z adeht: since you disregard the order in which they may be specified.. I think the best course of action is to write a call-with-struct _function_ that takes a function and passes it the struct object, freeing it in unwind-protect.. then write a simple macro that expansion to a call to it and hides the (lambda ...)
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2015-03-13T18:40:34Z jasom: adeht: I'm not sure how that fixes the key parameter issue?  Can you explain?
2015-03-13T18:41:15Z adeht: jasom: what fixes that issue is using a &rest param and just passing the list along
2015-03-13T18:41:36Z jasom: adeht: right, but that's orthogonal to doing it via a call-with-struct function, right?
2015-03-13T18:42:08Z adeht: yes..
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2015-03-13T18:42:49Z jasom: okay; just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything
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2015-03-13T19:09:27Z clintm: That huge disturbance in the force I felt this morning when I woke up was the client deciding that they can't run postgres after all and suggest sqlite.
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2015-03-13T19:36:01Z jasom: I think sqlite is why everytime I click on a link in firefox, my disk seeks like mad
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2015-03-13T19:37:18Z clintm: We're in intense negotiations.  This happens to also be the delivery date, which makes things that much more interesting.
2015-03-13T19:38:03Z jasom: yeah, changing requirements on the delivery date is expensive
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2015-03-13T19:59:23Z mega1`: Adlai: I bit the bullet and made pax automatically pick up the git version to link to if possible. Thanks for the prodding.
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2015-03-13T20:03:28Z Adlai: :)
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2015-03-13T21:14:42Z jasom stumbled on a brilliant way to make a lisp script executable on *nix
2015-03-13T21:14:56Z jasom: ":";command to invoke lisp executable
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2015-03-13T21:16:12Z jasom: e.g. ":";exec clisp -q $0
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2015-03-13T21:17:12Z jasom: or more fancy ":"; if $(which sbcl); then sbcl --script "$0"; elif $(which clisp) exec clisp -q "$0"; ... ; fi
2015-03-13T21:17:41Z jasom: s/then sbcl/then exec sbcl/
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2015-03-13T21:22:35Z Xach: I think I learned that one from rob warnock
2015-03-13T21:22:56Z jasom: I saw it in lispindent.lisp
2015-03-13T21:22:59Z Xach: http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/cVCdnV70i8JIEb7dXTWc-g%40speakeasy.net.html
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2015-03-13T21:44:15Z dim: last I tried, using a #! script that uses asdf/QL made the start time way to slow, that's why I switched to binary images
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2015-03-13T21:50:02Z clintm: Is Elephant still being maintained somewhere?  According to the proported home page, it's stagnating, but I thought maybe someone had revived it on github or something.
2015-03-13T21:50:12Z clintm: my kingdom for postmodern-sqlite
2015-03-13T21:50:57Z Shinmera has been thinking about picking up maintaining of cl-sqlite but would have to get acquainted with the source first.
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2015-03-13T22:00:28Z clintm: well, maybe I or we can since it looks like I'm going to need to use it.
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2015-03-13T22:05:00Z dim: I'm using it in pgloader and would hate to see cl-sqlite lose maintenance alltogether
2015-03-13T22:05:32Z dim: OTOH I'm a real noob at cffi and I don't suppose it would make sense for cl-sqlite to be a native implementation
2015-03-13T22:06:42Z Shinmera: cl-sqlite has a bunch of things that really piss me off about it so I'd like to fix those. But as I said, I'd have to look through the code first before willing to maintain it.
2015-03-13T22:08:26Z clintm: Shinmera: you're in probably a much better position to maintain it than I in the long run.  I have a tendency to be really good at it until my personal need for the library runs out.
2015-03-13T22:09:38Z Shinmera: I don't trust myself to be able to say with full confidence that I won't abandon it, which is the other reason I'm hesitant.
2015-03-13T22:10:18Z dim: well just take your turn then find someone else
2015-03-13T22:11:01Z Shinmera: I've got a bunch on my plate already. As I said, I'll need to take a closer look before being able to decide.
2015-03-13T22:11:01Z dim: as a user of it I will appreciate that you did maintain it, whatever duration happens to be realistic for you, a month, a year, a decade, it's all good
2015-03-13T22:12:18Z clintm: if you decide not to, Shinmera, let me know and I'll pick it up.  Better than no maintainer.
2015-03-13T22:12:31Z Shinmera: Sure. I'll put it onto my todo.
2015-03-13T22:13:10Z Shinmera: Though, as you can see for yourself, it's quite stuffed. https://trello.com/b/CTRjDxkF/personal
2015-03-13T22:14:48Z drmeister: Does anyone know in ASDF how to get an ordered list of files that are compiled when I ASDF:LOAD-SYSTEM a system?
2015-03-13T22:15:22Z Shinmera: drmeister: you'll have to look into the planning system of ASDF for that (which is one of the parts I unfortunately do not know much at all about)
2015-03-13T22:15:29Z drmeister: I'm working on compiling the Cleavir source code into Clasp and I don't want to have to load ASDF to compile Clasp
2015-03-13T22:15:37Z Shinmera: I don't think there's an easy way though.
2015-03-13T22:16:09Z Shinmera: drmeister: That sounds like a job for the bundle-op. Or what it was called. ASDF can create a single file from a system definition for you.
2015-03-13T22:16:26Z Bicyclidine: hm, a function to save an asdf plan for running without asdf sounds neat
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2015-03-13T22:16:42Z Shinmera: It assembles itself into a single file using that mechanism.
2015-03-13T22:17:48Z Shinmera: Bicyclidine: I don't know how feasible that is due to the amount of machinery (uiop etc) required to run a plan.
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2015-03-13T22:20:57Z mega1`: Shinmera: that page made chrome start to hog all memory :-(
2015-03-13T22:21:42Z Shinmera: Works fine for me ‾\(ツ)/‾ (though I'm using Opera)
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2015-03-13T23:26:31Z oleo_: hello http://paste.lisp.org/display/146234
2015-03-13T23:27:04Z oleo_: it works for matching in regex101.coms regex matcher
2015-03-13T23:27:12Z pjb: Are you crazy?
2015-03-13T23:27:12Z oleo_: what maybe the problem ?
2015-03-13T23:27:17Z pjb: This is a sexp!
2015-03-13T23:27:48Z Shinmera: pjb: You're only asking him /now/?
2015-03-13T23:28:03Z Bicyclidine: i like how you're using multi line mode on single lines.
2015-03-13T23:29:04Z oleo_: well, yes it would be better when i haven't read it linewise but as a whole....
2015-03-13T23:29:19Z oleo_: i don't know how to do it ....
2015-03-13T23:29:21Z pjb: oleo_: what do you want to do?
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2015-03-13T23:29:44Z oleo_: extract the exported symbols in my file
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2015-03-13T23:30:13Z Bicyclidine: any particular reason you don't just (cdr (read))?
2015-03-13T23:30:13Z jasom: oleo_: you could load the file, and query the package for which symbols are exported
2015-03-13T23:30:23Z oleo_: nope
2015-03-13T23:30:27Z oleo_: i don't want that....
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2015-03-13T23:30:54Z jasom: oleo_: then how about use (read) to walk through the file, and look for the defpackage form?
2015-03-13T23:31:32Z Shinmera: using read all the time is problematic due to interning, reader macros, etc.
2015-03-13T23:32:04Z Shinmera: you're better off scanning the file for an :export form using a primitive matcher and only then invoking read or similar to get the proper list.
2015-03-13T23:32:44Z pjb: oleo_: http://paste.lisp.org/+34U2/1
2015-03-13T23:33:45Z Shinmera: Of course you can still get screwed over easily even then if your scanner isn't also aware of whether it's inside a defpackage form, at which point you require a sophisticated enough parser to support context-free grammars.
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2015-03-13T23:36:25Z jasom raises his fist aginst the reader for not providing pluggable interning
2015-03-13T23:36:49Z jasom: it really needs a callback that is invoked after token recognition
2015-03-13T23:36:56Z Shinmera: and skipping if it chokes on something
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2015-03-13T23:37:37Z pjb: oleo_: also: http://paste.lisp.org/+34U2/2
2015-03-13T23:39:03Z pjb: Also: (load "source.lisp") (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.package:package-exports "your-package")
2015-03-13T23:39:07Z pjb: in the most complex cases…
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2015-03-13T23:46:39Z pjb: jasom: are you aware of com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp-reader.reader:readtable-parse-token ?
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2015-03-13T23:48:03Z jasom: pjb: yes.  I had a reason for not being able to use it here though: https://github.com/jasom/spm-reader/blob/master/spm-reader.lisp
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2015-03-13T23:49:19Z jasom: oh wait, I did use it
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2015-03-13T23:49:33Z jasom: https://github.com/jasom/spm-reader/blob/master/spm-reader.lisp#L190
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