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2015-02-12T00:36:53Z mfay: Hey, can I ask a quick lisp question that is giving me a huge headache? I'm trying to override the #'equal that is used by (member atm list) by doing (member atm list :test #'in-class) where in-class is a function i defined to return t or nil. Is that the right syntax? Because I'm getting an error that says "IF: variable RETURN has no value"
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2015-02-12T00:37:38Z BRPocock: sounds like an error in #'in-class … try calling it from the REPL with some sample values?
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2015-02-12T00:38:23Z jasom: mfay: If you're using sbcl, then that should have warned you when it compiled too...
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2015-02-12T00:38:56Z mfay: What's sbcl? It just runs it and gives me that error at the line I use member
2015-02-12T00:39:17Z jasom: mfay: sbcl is one common lisp implementation.
2015-02-12T00:39:41Z jasom: mfay: anyway if you paste the source to in-clase at http://paste.lisp.org I bet we can help you find the problem
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2015-02-12T00:42:27Z mfay: jasom: there's sort of two much code to put everything... but what's relevant is http://paste.lisp.org/display/145737
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2015-02-12T00:45:30Z BRPocock: hint: to exit a function early is a special form, usage: (return-from function value)
2015-02-12T00:45:48Z jasom: mfay: I think you want "(return-from in-class t)" rather than "return t"
2015-02-12T00:46:27Z jasom: (if x return y) means "IF X, THEN return, ELSE y" and return isn't a variable so...
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2015-02-12T00:48:30Z mfay: oh wait the if line isn't supposed to be in there, it does the same thing as the cond on the next line..
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2015-02-12T00:50:42Z mfay: but i'm not sure how that solves the problem..
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2015-02-12T00:52:54Z mfay: also, i changed all the returns to return-from and i still get the same error..
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2015-02-12T01:30:08Z pillton: Isn't there a machine learning company that uses lisp and is based in Japan?
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2015-02-12T01:30:57Z nyef: My understanding is that the Japanese lispers mostly keep to themselves... and that they're in a rather inconvenient time zone for most of us as well.
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2015-02-12T01:31:28Z pillton: No need to be offensive about my timezone!
2015-02-12T01:31:44Z emaczen: what do you guys use for completion in slime? Right now slime-complete-symbol is bound to C-M-i.
2015-02-12T01:31:57Z nsjph: it's asia morning right now
2015-02-12T01:32:44Z emaczen: By default, this is the same binding used for completion in elisp, but I was told to change the variable 'tab-always-indent' to complete when already indented
2015-02-12T01:33:12Z Xach: emaczen: I use C-c C-i
2015-02-12T01:33:33Z Xach: pillton: MSI springs to mind
2015-02-12T01:33:53Z emaczen: Xach: that seems to work as well -- I'm going to go ask the emacs guys
2015-02-12T01:34:03Z pillton: Xach: Yes, that is them. I knew it started with M.
2015-02-12T01:35:44Z Xach: emaczen: ask them what?
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2015-02-12T01:40:51Z emaczen: Xach: How to change a keybinding in slime -- but now I am asking here because they just ignored me :(
2015-02-12T01:42:50Z Guest43702: they probably just don't know
2015-02-12T01:42:55Z Guest43702: most emacs users are not lispers
2015-02-12T01:43:25Z emaczen: Guest43702: yeah that makes sense, I have asked elisp questions though and got knowledgeable answers
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2015-02-12T01:44:51Z Xach: emaczen: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SlimeMode has some examples of define-key that you may be able to adapt. or you might need local-set-key in a hook.
2015-02-12T01:45:06Z Xach: I think this is more of an emacs question than a common lisp question; slime is just the mode.
2015-02-12T01:45:34Z Guest43702: oh, you are correct.  *nod*
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2015-02-12T02:20:01Z emaczen: what is: [Condition of type UIOP/LISP-BUILD:COMPILE-FILE-ERROR]
2015-02-12T02:20:09Z emaczen: how can I make this error message useful?
2015-02-12T02:22:04Z Xach: emaczen: look at what's above it, and look at the compilation log for errors or warnings
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2015-02-12T02:37:39Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2015-02-12T02:37:57Z emaczen: morning beach
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2015-02-12T02:42:30Z nyef: Hello beach.
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2015-02-12T02:57:01Z drmeister: Hey beach - are these hoisted load-time-values passed to enclosed functions through closures?
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2015-02-12T02:58:39Z beach: Yes.
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2015-02-12T02:58:50Z beach: Same mechanism as closed-over variables.
2015-02-12T03:00:13Z drmeister: So why pass them as arguments to the top-level-function rather than as part of a closed over environment?
2015-02-12T03:00:21Z beach: It makes the mechanism "portable" in some sense.
2015-02-12T03:00:53Z beach: I considered that.
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2015-02-12T03:01:23Z beach: It may remove the problem of the argument limit.
2015-02-12T03:01:57Z drmeister: Is there any advantage to passing them as arguments rather than as part of a closed over environment?
2015-02-12T03:02:23Z beach: Not that I can think of.
2015-02-12T03:02:57Z beach: I did it this way, because the AST notation can express it.
2015-02-12T03:03:55Z drmeister: Got it.
2015-02-12T03:04:25Z beach: It is so much easier to do transformations at the AST level.
2015-02-12T03:05:42Z drmeister: I had another assertion failure that I sent you email about.
2015-02-12T03:05:49Z beach: I saw that.
2015-02-12T03:06:00Z beach: But it is hard to see what is going on from the backtrace.
2015-02-12T03:07:17Z drmeister: Is there any further info I can provide you?
2015-02-12T03:07:56Z beach: I don't know yet.  I'll run some more tests when I am a bit more awake.
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2015-02-12T03:12:52Z beach: drmeister: From my side, you are providing great feedback because you are using a different environment than I am.  But if this way of working is too frustrating for you, you could wait until things are a bit more polished.
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2015-02-12T03:13:29Z drmeister: It's not frustrating.  I'm eager to make progress and generate some LLVM-IR
2015-02-12T03:13:39Z beach: OK.  Just checking.
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2015-02-12T03:21:09Z drmeister: Are symbols treated as load-time-values?
2015-02-12T03:24:05Z beach: Constant symbols, yes.
2015-02-12T03:24:43Z beach: drmeister: The ASSERT error is one we have seen and one that I have not been able to reproduce, as I recall, right?
2015-02-12T03:25:22Z drmeister: As in function lookups  (foo 1  2 3)   FOO is a load-time value just as '1 '2 and '3 are.
2015-02-12T03:25:42Z drmeister: I'm not sure if it's the same ASSERT error that happened before.
2015-02-12T03:25:43Z beach: It should be, yes.
2015-02-12T03:25:56Z beach: I am pretty sure.
2015-02-12T03:26:07Z drmeister: I've kind of started over - it may be.
2015-02-12T03:26:37Z beach: drmeister: Since I don't look up global named functions this way, I don't have a load-time-value of the symbol FOO in this case.
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2015-02-12T03:27:13Z drmeister: I don't understand that - how do you look up global named functions?
2015-02-12T03:27:44Z beach: I retrieve a CONS cell from the global first-class environment.
2015-02-12T03:27:51Z beach: ... at load time.
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2015-02-12T03:28:00Z beach: Or rather "link time".
2015-02-12T03:28:25Z drmeister: I see.
2015-02-12T03:28:34Z beach: So my load-time-value is (function-cell 'foo *global-environment*).
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2015-02-12T03:29:23Z drmeister: I can do that as well.
2015-02-12T03:29:40Z beach: drmeister: Where do you store your global functions?
2015-02-12T03:29:55Z drmeister: function slot of symbol
2015-02-12T03:30:14Z beach: Then you can't do it my way.  Unless I am missing something.
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2015-02-12T03:30:19Z beach: You need access to the symbol.
2015-02-12T03:30:49Z Zhivago: You need access to some indirection box to support redefinition.
2015-02-12T03:31:05Z drmeister: I see.
2015-02-12T03:31:25Z beach: drmeister: By default, once I get around to doing it right, there should be an FDEFINITION-AST that has a LOAD-TIME-VALUE-AST with the quoted symbol in it for global function lookup.
2015-02-12T03:32:05Z beach: drmeister: Where do you store functions named (SETF FOO)?
2015-02-12T03:32:40Z drmeister: Somewhere else - I'd have to dig around to find that
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2015-02-12T03:36:43Z beach: About the ASSERT error, we never got around to figuring that one out.  As I recall, I was speculating that I should wrap the calls to GETHASH in some functions that can be traced, so that we can see which hash table does not contain the right value, and then hopefully figure out why.
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2015-02-12T03:38:14Z drmeister: I'm investigating as well - you probably know this already but NEW-INPUTS has the value (NIL) in this function:
2015-02-12T03:38:18Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aHDbfWtX
2015-02-12T03:39:05Z drmeister: That's whats causing the assertion to fail. NEW-INPUTS doesn't contain any objects of type 'datum
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2015-02-12T03:39:12Z beach: Right.
2015-02-12T03:39:54Z beach: ... because one of the hash tables either contains NIL or contains no entry where it should contain a datum.
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2015-02-12T03:41:26Z drmeister: I can trace GETHASH
2015-02-12T03:41:37Z beach: Oh.  OK.
2015-02-12T03:41:55Z drmeister: It generates a lot of output - lets see what happens
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2015-02-12T03:43:24Z beach: My function PROCESS-CAPTURED-VARIABLES is too big as well.  I should try and break it down into smaller chunks.
2015-02-12T03:46:32Z drmeister: BRB
2015-02-12T03:47:01Z beach: drmeister: I am going to vanish for half an hour or so.
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2015-02-12T04:13:08Z emaczen: is (maphash (lambda (k v) k) some-hash-table) the best way to get the keys of a hash table?
2015-02-12T04:13:15Z beach: drmeister: I think what I will do (once I am a bit more awake) is to create some more abstractions from that big function.  That way, the abstracted functions can do more checks, and they can be traced independently.
2015-02-12T04:13:20Z Zhivago: Questions containing 'best' are generally unanswerable.
2015-02-12T04:13:58Z emaczen: how about recommended?
2015-02-12T04:14:02Z drmeister: beach: I'm evaluating parts of it - trying to get some insight - nothing yet.
2015-02-12T04:14:24Z beach: emaczen: That form will throw away the keys after they have been retrieved.
2015-02-12T04:14:40Z emaczen: it mutates the hash-table?
2015-02-12T04:15:05Z emaczen: what do you mean by throw away?
2015-02-12T04:15:40Z drmeister: beach: It's this loop that is collecting (NIL) - correct?
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2015-02-12T04:15:44Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LE0jYxhu
2015-02-12T04:15:46Z beach: emaczen: For each entry in the hash table, it will call the function (lambda (k v) k) with the key and the value.  That function does nothing with the key.
2015-02-12T04:16:08Z emaczen: You mean value?
2015-02-12T04:16:51Z beach: drmeister: Yes, I think that's correct.
2015-02-12T04:16:59Z beach: emaczen: What do you think it does with the key?
2015-02-12T04:17:16Z drmeister: emaczen: You are not collecting the keys in anything.
2015-02-12T04:17:30Z emaczen: beach: I thought it was just returning all the keys (I was orginially calling format and so it printed them all in the REPL and I got confused)
2015-02-12T04:18:14Z beach: emaczen: Read the Common Lisp HyperSpec entry for maphash.
2015-02-12T04:18:19Z beach: clhs maphash
2015-02-12T04:18:19Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_maphas.htm
2015-02-12T04:18:28Z beach: emaczen: It returns NIL.
2015-02-12T04:19:41Z emaczen: beach: I just looked up the loop syntax -- a little weird -- "being the hash-key"
2015-02-12T04:20:05Z emaczen: (loop for k being the hash-key in some-hash-table collect k)
2015-02-12T04:20:10Z emaczen: ^^ that's what I did
2015-02-12T04:20:35Z beach: emaczen: Right, that's different from your maphash form.  This time you collect the keys.
2015-02-12T04:21:29Z beach: emaczen: With maphash, you could do (let ((keys '())) (maphash (lambda (key value) (push key keys)) table) keys)
2015-02-12T04:22:29Z emaczen: beach: Thanks for the tip!
2015-02-12T04:22:38Z beach: Anytime.
2015-02-12T04:24:50Z emaczen: I've read a little bit of ANSI common lisp by Paul Graham and he says that (push value list) and then (nreverse list) is a common lisp idiom.
2015-02-12T04:25:05Z emaczen: My question is how efficient is the nreverse in good implementations
2015-02-12T04:25:07Z beach: That's true, if you care about the order.
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2015-02-12T04:26:08Z beach: emaczen: It is definitely O(n) and no consing.  It needs a few memory accesses per CONS cell.
2015-02-12T04:27:54Z beach: Unless you are doing something completely trivial to compute the values to push, computing the values takes more time than doing the NREVERSE.
2015-02-12T04:28:22Z beach: emaczen: Are you sure you ought to care about that level of performance?
2015-02-12T04:28:54Z drmeister: beach: I learned a little more.
2015-02-12T04:29:02Z drmeister: In the code snippet above
2015-02-12T04:29:17Z emaczen: Just curious. I was thinking if there was a pointer from the "tail" to the "head" but then you would need pointers in the opposite direction and the list returned from nreverse would need to know this
2015-02-12T04:29:29Z beach: drmeister: What did you learn?
2015-02-12T04:29:33Z emaczen: So you would need a double-linked-list to get those backwards pointers
2015-02-12T04:29:34Z drmeister: I changed the code to this:
2015-02-12T04:29:39Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/j99KXJDf
2015-02-12T04:29:50Z drmeister: True  a: NIL
2015-02-12T04:30:06Z drmeister: So (gethash (cons owner import) cell-locations) is returning NIL
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2015-02-12T04:30:27Z beach: Yeah, I was guessing that.
2015-02-12T04:30:35Z beach: It is the only #'EQUAL hash table.
2015-02-12T04:30:49Z emaczen: What is the recommended way to implement datastructures in CL (I know you can do defstruct and then practically do the same thing like you would in a C-like language) but I've also seen Paul Graham do some pretty cool things with closures and graphs
2015-02-12T04:30:56Z drmeister: It only has one entry
2015-02-12T04:31:07Z emaczen: graphs/trees
2015-02-12T04:31:09Z drmeister: a CLEAVIR-IR:ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x115b578d8> = (G2159#<STATIC-LEXICAL-LOCATION 0x1158596a8>) [remove entry]
2015-02-12T04:31:32Z drmeister: And you are looking up (cons owner import) which will fail.
2015-02-12T04:33:19Z beach: what does that entry mean?
2015-02-12T04:33:41Z drmeister: I'm not sure what you are asking
2015-02-12T04:34:05Z drmeister: The key/value pair in the hash table?
2015-02-12T04:34:09Z beach: How should I interpret CLEAVIR-IR:ENTER... = (G...)?
2015-02-12T04:34:39Z beach: is the enter-instruction the key?
2015-02-12T04:34:54Z drmeister: The key is a CLEAVIR-IR:ENTER-INSTRUCTION  - yeah
2015-02-12T04:35:18Z drmeister: Does that make sense?
2015-02-12T04:35:20Z beach: and this is the hash table named cell-locations?
2015-02-12T04:36:10Z drmeister: Yes
2015-02-12T04:36:58Z beach: There is a single (setf (gethash ...)) for that table, and the key is a CONS.
2015-02-12T04:37:13Z drmeister: I'm looking at it - curious
2015-02-12T04:37:44Z beach: emaczen: You should use STANDARD-OBJECTs, created by making instances of classed defined by DEFCLASS.
2015-02-12T04:38:28Z emaczen: beach: what is the point of defstruct then?
2015-02-12T04:38:53Z emaczen: E.g. in C++ I would make a node struct and a linked-list class
2015-02-12T04:39:10Z beach: emaczen: Not much point anymore.  It existed before CLOS was in the language.
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2015-02-12T04:40:15Z drmeister: beach: I just created a #'equal hash-table and added an entry with a CONS as a key - it worked fine - investigating
2015-02-12T04:40:29Z beach: drmeister: OK.  Great!
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2015-02-12T04:41:28Z beach: emaczen: Classes in Common Lisp are not as complicated as in other languages.  They just behave much better than structs with respect to interactive development.  Also, structs only support single inheritance.
2015-02-12T04:43:56Z emaczen: beach: is there a constant time append function for a sequence type? I just checked vector-push and vector-push-extend and couldn't really get them to work.
2015-02-12T04:44:09Z emaczen: e.g. (setf v (vector 1 2 3))
2015-02-12T04:44:15Z emaczen: (vector-push 4 v)
2015-02-12T04:44:37Z Bike: cl:vector makes a simple-vector, w hich doesn't have a fill pointer, iirc
2015-02-12T04:44:54Z beach: emaczen: You must learn to stick in a "I see", or "OK" from time to time before you change the subject.  Otherwise, one never knows whether you even read what one wrote.
2015-02-12T04:45:00Z drmeister: beach: Never mind that last value - there is a problem with my implementation of slime - when I inspect a variable by hitting <enter> it inspects the variable above it in the frame (annoying)
2015-02-12T04:45:03Z drmeister: Hang on
2015-02-12T04:45:11Z emaczen: beach: got it!
2015-02-12T04:45:32Z drmeister: There is only one value in that hash table and I think it is:
2015-02-12T04:45:33Z drmeister: (a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x11688b798> . G2435#<STATIC-LEXICAL-LOCATION 0x116831fb8>) = G2442#<DYNAMIC-LEXICAL-LOCATION 0x115b519c8>
2015-02-12T04:45:41Z emaczen: beach: I read all the gold that comes out of this channel :)
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2015-02-12T04:46:12Z beach: drmeister: That looks a lot better.
2015-02-12T04:46:47Z beach: drmeister: Now the question is: what is the call to gethash asking for that it returns NIL?
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2015-02-12T04:47:16Z emaczen: Bike: I'm not sure I folow
2015-02-12T04:47:21Z beach: emaczen: Listen to what Bike said.  You must create a vector with a fill pointer.
2015-02-12T04:47:47Z beach: emaczen: See make-array.
2015-02-12T04:48:10Z Bike: emaczen: for vector-push to work the vector needs a "fill pointer". vectors made with the vector function do not have one.
2015-02-12T04:48:43Z emaczen: Bike and Beach: Are there other methods besides make-array that would work?
2015-02-12T04:48:45Z drmeister: Checking
2015-02-12T04:49:22Z beach: emaczen: Not if you want to use VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND.
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2015-02-12T04:49:42Z beach: emaczen: Is there something wrong with MAKE-ARRAY?
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2015-02-12T04:51:48Z jasom: one of these days I'm going to try out a web framework and not run into a bug that annoys me enough to fix myself in the first two days
2015-02-12T04:52:03Z emaczen: beach: No, I am just looking for alternatives. It seems to work.
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2015-02-12T04:53:29Z drmeister: beach: There may be a problem with my HASH-TABLE-EQUAL when I gethash with a CONS
2015-02-12T04:53:57Z beach: drmeister: I thought that might be the case.
2015-02-12T04:54:29Z beach: But it should always be the last thing to suspect bugs in the implementation.
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2015-02-12T05:03:51Z drmeister: My tests are all working fine - argh
2015-02-12T05:04:49Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/D0aqSfSS
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2015-02-12T05:08:39Z emaczen:  what is the literal for the space character?
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2015-02-12T05:10:11Z Bike: #\  or #\Space
2015-02-12T05:10:40Z emaczen: Thanks Bike!
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2015-02-12T05:19:27Z beach: drmeister: Could it have something to do with GC?
2015-02-12T05:19:46Z drmeister: This is the boehm GC - it shouldn't be a problem.
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2015-02-12T05:20:16Z beach: Because it doesn't move things?
2015-02-12T05:20:37Z drmeister: Right
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2015-02-12T05:43:18Z beach: drmeister: For testing things like hash tables, I strongly recommend random testing.  Make a parallel implementation (say using lists) with the same interface.  Then generate random operations that are submitted to both implementations, and the results are then compared.  I have had a lot of success with that kind of testing.
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2015-02-12T06:06:16Z drmeister: beach: It might be a GC issue.
2015-02-12T06:07:51Z drmeister: I recently moved where I stored the multiple values array from the stack into thread-local storage.  thread-local storage is not visible to the garbage collector - maybe that's screwing me up.
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2015-02-12T06:12:32Z Zhivago: Wow, that's kind of broken.
2015-02-12T06:12:39Z Zhivago: Why does boehms scan that?
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2015-02-12T06:16:45Z drmeister: boehm doesn't scan it.
2015-02-12T06:17:12Z drmeister: boehm only scans it's own memory pools
2015-02-12T06:18:43Z Zhivago: Hmm, that seems like a severe limitation -- there's no way to register thread local stores?
2015-02-12T06:19:47Z Zhivago: It looks like there's an add_roots interface to support that.
2015-02-12T06:20:13Z drmeister: WARNING: the collector does not guarantee to scan thread-local storage (e.g. of the kind accessed with pthread_getspecific). The collector does scan thread stacks, though, so generally the best solution is to ensure that any pointers stored in thread-local storage are also stored on the thread's stack for the duration of their lifetime. (This is arguably a
2015-02-12T06:20:13Z drmeister: longstanding bug, but it hasn't been fixed yet.)
2015-02-12T06:20:39Z drmeister: From https://github.com/ivmai/bdwgc/
2015-02-12T06:21:26Z drmeister: The easiest thing to do is create a pointer from thread local storage to struct stored at the top of the heap and put the thread local pointers there.
2015-02-12T06:21:39Z drmeister: s/heap/stack/ sheesh
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2015-02-12T06:34:04Z drmeister: beach: I might have fixed the problem, it may have been a GC problem - because something different is happening but I'm not sure if the something different comes before or after the previous error.
2015-02-12T06:34:48Z drmeister: beach: I'm making it to:   (cleavir-ast-to-hir:compile-toplevel ast)
2015-02-12T06:34:58Z beach: OK.
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2015-02-12T06:36:29Z drmeister: No, the error before was happening in HIR-TRANSFORMATIONS
2015-02-12T06:36:49Z drmeister: This one is in COMPILE-TOPLEVEL, which comes before HIR-TRANSFORMATIONS
2015-02-12T06:36:51Z beach: Correct.
2015-02-12T06:36:53Z drmeister: Damn
2015-02-12T06:36:57Z beach: Oops.
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2015-02-12T06:42:54Z drmeister: Maybe it's ok.   Maybe GC problems were confusing me and now I'm on the right track.
2015-02-12T06:43:14Z drmeister: Do you have a moment - because I've gone and declared my own AST classes and I wanted to touch base with you on this.
2015-02-12T06:43:29Z beach: I have time.
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2015-02-12T06:44:04Z drmeister: Ok, when you hoist load-time-values you substituted lexical-ast and top-level-function-ast nodes - correct?
2015-02-12T06:44:37Z beach: I substituted LEXICAL-ASTs and *added* a TOP-LEVEL-FUNCTION-AST, yes.
2015-02-12T06:46:38Z beach: Or, rather, the LOAD-TIME-VALUE-ASTs were transformed into LEXICAL-ASTs without changing their identities.
2015-02-12T06:46:43Z drmeister: Right, I'm substituting PRECALC-VALUE-ASTs and adding a PRECALC-VALUE-VECTOR-FUNCTION-AST
2015-02-12T06:47:18Z drmeister: Ok, the LOAD-TIME-VALUE-ASTs are transformed into PRECALC-VALUE-ASTs without changing their identities.
2015-02-12T06:47:34Z beach: Sounds good.
2015-02-12T06:47:42Z drmeister: I'll show you an AST tree in a sec - just getting there.
2015-02-12T06:47:54Z drmeister: A hoisted one that is.
2015-02-12T06:48:24Z beach: Currently, in AST-to-HIR I have an assert that the top-level AST must be a TOP-LEVEL-FUNCTION-AST, so you might want to make your top-level AST a subclass of that.
2015-02-12T06:50:00Z drmeister: That's the assertion that I'm currently throwing.
2015-02-12T06:50:20Z drmeister: Good! Thank you.
2015-02-12T06:51:30Z drmeister: I had made it a subclass of FUNCTION-AST
2015-02-12T06:51:47Z beach: Yeah, that would trip the ASSERT.
2015-02-12T06:53:27Z drmeister: So my idea is to make the lambda-list of the PRECALC-VALUE-VECTOR-FUNCTION-AST accept a single required parameter, the vector of pre-calculated values.
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2015-02-12T06:53:47Z beach: Sounds good to me.
2015-02-12T06:53:59Z drmeister: And the PRECALC-VALUE-AST represent references to indexed values within it.
2015-02-12T06:54:16Z beach: Sure, I understand.
2015-02-12T06:54:43Z drmeister: Ok:  (hoisted-ast-form '(lambda (x) (+ 1 x)))
2015-02-12T06:55:29Z drmeister: http://imgur.com/JofmCZq
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2015-02-12T06:56:08Z drmeister: Now, how do I go about converting this to HIR?
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2015-02-12T06:57:00Z beach: Looks good.
2015-02-12T06:57:07Z drmeister: When I try naively I get:    #:G2058 fell through ETYPECASE expression.  Wanted one of (CLEAVIR-AST:LEXICAL-AST).
2015-02-12T06:57:40Z drmeister: Do I need to make precalc-value-ast a subclass of lexical-ast?
2015-02-12T06:57:51Z beach: Yes.
2015-02-12T06:57:55Z beach: No wait.
2015-02-12T06:58:10Z ben_vulpes: what's the recommended approach for declaring a namespace in a file and then operating within the context of the compiled file (via C-c C-k in slime) at the repl?
2015-02-12T06:58:25Z ben_vulpes: please forgive my noob questions, i'm only barely conversant with common lisp.
2015-02-12T06:58:25Z beach: drmeister: What is it that you try that gives you the etypecase error?
2015-02-12T06:58:37Z Bike: ben_vulpes: defpackage, in-package
2015-02-12T06:59:03Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/e1CQ2tcg
2015-02-12T06:59:23Z ben_vulpes: thanks, Bike.
2015-02-12T06:59:37Z drmeister: In compile-general-purpose-asts.lisp
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2015-02-12T07:00:04Z beach: Oh, you are trying to compile it?
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2015-02-12T07:00:25Z drmeister: Yeah
2015-02-12T07:00:30Z drmeister: Just to HIR
2015-02-12T07:00:53Z ben_vulpes: Bike - so i (defpackage :my-pack) at the top of the file and compile it but then my repl seems unaware of that package, even after i call (in-package :my-pack) at the repl.
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2015-02-12T07:01:20Z ben_vulpes: i think i don't understand the relatinoship between what's happening the compiled code and my repl
2015-02-12T07:01:30Z beach: drmeister: Unless your new ASTs are subclasses of existing ASTs, you must also define methods for compiling them to HIR.
2015-02-12T07:01:51Z drmeister: Right, what would it look like?
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2015-02-12T07:02:32Z drmeister: Something like this:?
2015-02-12T07:02:35Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WzhRu1oM
2015-02-12T07:03:36Z beach: drmeister: Well, that method is specialized to lexical-ast.
2015-02-12T07:04:11Z drmeister: I'd want some kind of make-precalc-vector-assignment-instruction   wouldn't I?
2015-02-12T07:04:36Z beach: Your new AST, PRECALC-VALUE-AST, should probably have a LEXICAL-AST (the containing the array) as a child.
2015-02-12T07:04:41Z drmeister: To pull a value from the precalc-vector and put it in a variable
2015-02-12T07:05:11Z beach: why don't you just make it an ordinary vector?
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2015-02-12T07:05:58Z beach: But yeah, if you want to make it a different kind of vector, you need an instruction that takes that vector and an index as inputs.
2015-02-12T07:06:31Z drmeister: I think I could make it an ordinary vector
2015-02-12T07:06:56Z beach: Then there are (or should be) existing instructions for handling those.
2015-02-12T07:07:07Z beach: and existing ASTs too.
2015-02-12T07:07:15Z drmeister: I think my current implementation is overcomplicated.  It is two vectors, one for symbols that are for function invocations and another for everything else.
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2015-02-12T07:07:49Z drmeister: But the index is calculated at compile time.
2015-02-12T07:07:54Z drmeister: Does that cause problems?
2015-02-12T07:08:19Z drmeister: And it doesn't need to be represented as anything other than a raw integer
2015-02-12T07:08:30Z beach: Right.
2015-02-12T07:08:51Z beach: That integer needs to be a child AST of the access AST.
2015-02-12T07:09:45Z drmeister: I'm thinking I would pass the vector to the top-level function (precalc-vector-value-function)
2015-02-12T07:10:02Z beach: Yes, I understand.
2015-02-12T07:10:14Z drmeister: and it would be closed over and passed to the enclosed functions
2015-02-12T07:10:23Z beach: Yes, I understand. :)
2015-02-12T07:10:48Z drmeister: I know, I'm not completely convinced myself.
2015-02-12T07:11:03Z beach: The lambda list of the top-level ast must then contain a lexical-ast.
2015-02-12T07:11:12Z beach: The one that will contain the vector.
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2015-02-12T07:11:27Z beach: Then each access AST must contain the same lexical-ast and an index AST.
2015-02-12T07:11:41Z drmeister: Ok, then there is a lexical-ast as a child of the vector access sat?
2015-02-12T07:11:46Z drmeister: s/sat/ast/
2015-02-12T07:12:08Z beach: Yes.  But I already said that. :)
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2015-02-12T07:12:38Z beach: "Your new AST, PRECALC-VALUE-AST, should probably have a LEXICAL-AST (the containing the array) as a child."
2015-02-12T07:12:44Z drmeister: I saw you mention the integer index but I missed the vector lexical-ast
2015-02-12T07:13:04Z beach: Sure, it can happen.
2015-02-12T07:13:06Z drmeister: ok, it's a lot to take in at once
2015-02-12T07:13:28Z beach: Just think of it as an AST version of (aref vector index).
2015-02-12T07:13:33Z beach: Not rocket science.
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2015-02-12T07:14:14Z drmeister: Right.
2015-02-12T07:14:26Z drmeister: Do you have AST nodes for raw integer arguments?
2015-02-12T07:14:38Z beach: IMMEDIATE-AST
2015-02-12T07:14:50Z drmeister: And they aren't boxed or anything?
2015-02-12T07:14:59Z beach: That's correct.
2015-02-12T07:15:27Z beach: They get turned into IMMEDIATE-INPUTs at the IR level.
2015-02-12T07:16:17Z drmeister: Ok so I would transform a (load-time-value <form>) into something like (aref-ast (lexical-ast :name vector) (immediate-ast :value XXX))
2015-02-12T07:16:38Z beach: Looks right.
2015-02-12T07:16:51Z beach: I think it is called T-AREF-AST, but I might be misremembering.
2015-02-12T07:16:58Z drmeister: And the lambda-list for my precalc-value-vector-function-ast would be the ((lexical-ast :name vector))
2015-02-12T07:17:10Z beach: Yes.
2015-02-12T07:17:19Z beach: See?  Not hard at all.
2015-02-12T07:17:20Z beach: :)
2015-02-12T07:18:11Z drmeister: I'm kinda getting into the flow of it.
2015-02-12T07:18:53Z beach: This stuff is meant to be understandable to an implementer, so if it isn't, I need to know so that I can fix it.
2015-02-12T07:19:06Z drmeister: At what point would I need to assign the immediate-input value?
2015-02-12T07:19:30Z beach: Before you turn it into HIR, preferably.
2015-02-12T07:19:41Z beach: But it's easy.  Just use the index in the list of load-time-values.
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2015-02-12T07:20:12Z drmeister: I coalesce a lot of values across each COMPILE-FILE - does that make sense?
2015-02-12T07:20:21Z drmeister: The vector will only contain one entry for '1
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2015-02-12T07:20:46Z beach: Sure.  Coalesce first, and *then* use the index in the resulting vector.
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2015-02-12T07:21:51Z drmeister: Then I don't need any ast->mir converters
2015-02-12T07:22:03Z drmeister: ast->HIR
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2015-02-12T07:22:24Z drmeister: except maybe for the precalc-value-vector-function-ast
2015-02-12T07:22:32Z beach: Correct, provided that I already wrote the methods for compiling the vector ASTs.
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2015-02-12T07:22:56Z beach: You can just use the existing top-level-function-ast.
2015-02-12T07:23:13Z beach: Instead of N parameters, you just have 1.
2015-02-12T07:23:43Z drmeister: right
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2015-02-12T07:24:11Z beach: No need to complicate things.  ... unless you *want* to, of course.
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2015-02-12T07:25:53Z drmeister: In this example:   (hoisted-ast-form '(lambda (x) (+ 1 x)))  -->  http://imgur.com/JofmCZq
2015-02-12T07:26:34Z drmeister: I don't see the '+' symbol for the function. Is this because of the way you link in the functions ?
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2015-02-12T07:27:28Z beach: It is hidden in the FDEFINITION-AST.  That will change soon.
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2015-02-12T07:27:53Z beach: Soon, there will be a LOAD-TIME-VALUE-AST as a child of the FDEFINITION-AST, and it will contain the + symbol.
2015-02-12T07:28:13Z drmeister: Good, so it will be hoisted out the same way?
2015-02-12T07:28:17Z beach: Yes.
2015-02-12T07:28:25Z drmeister: That's what I was hoping to hear.
2015-02-12T07:28:44Z beach: I think I told you that currently, the + symbol is introduced at the HIR level which is too late.
2015-02-12T07:28:52Z beach: But I haven't had time to fix that yet.
2015-02-12T07:29:00Z beach: Same thing for symbol-value etc.
2015-02-12T07:29:19Z drmeister: When would you be able to fix that?
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2015-02-12T07:29:37Z beach: I'll try my best today, but I also need to work on my papers.
2015-02-12T07:29:43Z drmeister: Wait - same thing for the symbol-value?
2015-02-12T07:29:47Z drmeister: What does that mean?
2015-02-12T07:29:48Z beach: Yes.
2015-02-12T07:30:09Z drmeister: You mean symbol-value will have a load-time-value associated with it that contains the symbol name.
2015-02-12T07:30:09Z beach: That currently, there is a symbol-value-ast with the symbol hidden in it, so the symbol is not hoisted.
2015-02-12T07:30:14Z beach: Yes.
2015-02-12T07:30:19Z drmeister: Hoisting - good.
2015-02-12T07:30:29Z drmeister: So no symbols will remain within the AST
2015-02-12T07:30:34Z beach: Correct.
2015-02-12T07:30:42Z drmeister: What about NIL and T?
2015-02-12T07:30:55Z beach: They are just symbols too.
2015-02-12T07:30:58Z drmeister: Good
2015-02-12T07:31:04Z drmeister: Anything else?
2015-02-12T07:31:11Z beach: I don't think so.
2015-02-12T07:32:31Z beach: drmeister: I should probably get to work.  And you should probably sleep, right?
2015-02-12T07:32:32Z drmeister: Ok, I'll simplify my precalculated value holder so that it can be represented by a single vector.
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2015-02-12T07:32:47Z beach: heh.
2015-02-12T07:32:48Z drmeister: Yes, I should get some sleep
2015-02-12T07:33:07Z drmeister: Ok, I'm off to dream about ASTs
2015-02-12T07:33:12Z beach: OK, sleep well.  Time to get to work!
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2015-02-12T07:36:50Z drmeister: General question: Is ELT considered to be faster for accessing vectors than AREF?
2015-02-12T07:37:02Z Shinmera: No, the other way around.
2015-02-12T07:37:14Z drmeister: Why?
2015-02-12T07:37:17Z Shinmera: ELT has to do additional checks, such as for the fill-pointer.
2015-02-12T07:37:25Z drmeister: Ok.
2015-02-12T07:37:25Z Zhivago: I wouldn't consider it so. You probably want SVREF.
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2015-02-12T07:37:41Z Shinmera: AREF lets you get elements beyond the fill-pointer, ELT won't.
2015-02-12T07:37:53Z drmeister: Got it.
2015-02-12T07:38:37Z drmeister: Thanks everyone - good night
2015-02-12T07:38:42Z Shinmera: Sleep well.
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2015-02-12T07:43:16Z White_Flame: loke: in discussing strings and hairy-vector-aref, I completely forgot about svref.
2015-02-12T07:43:36Z loke: White_Flame: you are right
2015-02-12T07:43:56Z loke: but still, you can't just casually use that on any array
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2015-02-12T08:36:57Z viaken: Is there a fortune cookie explination for why you can (setf (cdr ...)), but you can't (setf (nthcdr ...)) ?
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2015-02-12T08:48:37Z axion: cdr is an accessor. nthcdr has no place, just a function
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2015-02-12T08:56:40Z lieven: I don't see any reason nthcdr couldn't have been defined as an accessor.
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2015-02-12T09:05:12Z Shinmera: (rplacd (nthcdr (1- n) list) newcdr)
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2015-02-12T09:08:02Z Shinmera: But yeah, strange that nthcdr isn't an accessor.
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2015-02-12T09:09:04Z H4ns: for an accessor, nthcdr does too much
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2015-02-12T09:11:49Z lieven: occasionally, it's just an oversight in the standard. file-position has a weird one argument/two argument distinction between getter and setter instead of being an accessor usable with setf.
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2015-02-12T09:27:09Z Cymew: It's almost as if the standard was designed by comittee, and they had made strange compromises. ;)
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2015-02-12T09:27:47Z lieven: or didn't get round to cleaning up some stuff. at the end funding was running out and they were in a hurry
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2015-02-12T09:28:44Z lieven: the whole exception API doubles a lot of CLOS functionality since they weren't sure CLOS was going to make it and it still isn't required that exceptions are normal CLOS objects.
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2015-02-12T09:36:23Z Cymew: I would guess in most implementations they are, though. Without knowing how they are implemented it feels like it would be easier to do it that way. Good to know they don't have to be if strangeness happens one day, I'd say.
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2015-02-12T09:37:45Z lieven: they are CLOS objects but they can be of a metaclass that forbids mixing them with normal objects
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2015-02-12T09:38:14Z lieven: The metaclass of the class condition is not specified. Names of condition types may be used to specify supertype relationships in define-condition, but the consequences are not specified if an attempt is made to use a condition type as a superclass in a defclass form. (9.1.1)
2015-02-12T09:38:29Z H4ns: some implementations want conditions while bootstrapping and only add full clos later in the process.
2015-02-12T09:38:30Z lieven: so using any of the normal CLOS operations is undefined
2015-02-12T09:38:50Z Cymew: H4ns: Suddenly makes sense
2015-02-12T09:39:17Z lieven: that's why you need to use MAKE-CONDITION and can't use MAKE-INSTANCE portably etc
2015-02-12T09:39:45Z Cymew: One of these days I'm going to dive into CLOS and MOP
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2015-02-12T12:32:08Z Xach: Yes, very much so
2015-02-12T12:32:18Z Xach: though some projects don't have URLs
2015-02-12T12:32:28Z Xach: not in the browsey way anyway
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2015-02-12T12:35:30Z jackdaniel: i just wanted to check, if memoize comes from fare's repo (not apparently, what i was looking for was fare-memoization)
2015-02-12T12:35:54Z Xach uses function-cache
2015-02-12T12:37:57Z jackdaniel: (reverse '(not apparently))
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2015-02-12T13:14:39Z flip214: when I define a structure or class, the slot accessor type checks may or may not be written to the code, depending on SAFETY. Can I get a (generated) function that contains _all_ checks for manual calling, eg. after deserialization?
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2015-02-12T13:14:58Z flip214: I'd like to have types like (INTEGER 0 15) enforced at some points in the code.
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2015-02-12T13:17:34Z jackdaniel: flip214: maybe (declare (type /typespec/ var*)) ?
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2015-02-12T13:20:02Z flip214: Shinmera: thank you... do you know whether there's prior art for that?
2015-02-12T13:20:22Z Shinmera: I usually don't bother with type checks, so I've never felt a need for that.
2015-02-12T13:20:43Z Shinmera: So no, I don't know of anything that does that.
2015-02-12T13:20:59Z AeroNotix: what's the map function I want to map across a hash-table and get the return values of the functions I map across?
2015-02-12T13:21:00Z flip214: thank you!
2015-02-12T13:21:08Z AeroNotix: (also, is there a way to set the return type with maphash?)
2015-02-12T13:21:36Z AeroNotix: a hash-table is not a http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw60/CLHS/Body/26_glo_p.htm#proper_sequence
2015-02-12T13:21:44Z flip214: AeroNotix: alexandria:maphash-keys
2015-02-12T13:21:48Z AeroNotix: flip214: danke
2015-02-12T13:21:52Z flip214: resp. alexandria:maphash-values
2015-02-12T13:21:58Z flip214: or LOOP or ITER...
2015-02-12T13:22:09Z AeroNotix: okay
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2015-02-12T14:41:32Z drmeister: (typep XXX '(or integer string)) is a reasonable thing to do if I want to check if XXX is an integer or a string type - correct?
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2015-02-12T14:42:27Z Xach: drmeister: yes.
2015-02-12T14:42:32Z Xach: drmeister: check-type is another tool in the toolbox
2015-02-12T14:42:41Z drmeister: Thank you
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2015-02-12T17:17:47Z beach: Good evening everyone!
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2015-02-12T17:20:09Z moore33: Hey beach.
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2015-02-12T17:20:53Z beach: moore33: Haven't seen you for a while.  What's up?
2015-02-12T17:21:23Z moore33: Working away in OpenGL land :) for work and pleasure.
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2015-02-12T17:21:33Z beach: Excellent!
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2015-02-12T17:22:07Z moore33: I'm thinking about buying a 200€ chromebook and seeing how well Lisp+emacs runs on it.
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2015-02-12T17:22:27Z beach: Sure, why not.
2015-02-12T17:23:07Z moore33: As far as I know, the Android emacs port doesn't work in 5.0 :(
2015-02-12T17:23:22Z beach: Not good.
2015-02-12T17:23:32Z moore33: And writing code on the tablet is a pain in the butt in any event.
2015-02-12T17:23:53Z beach: But it is possible to hook up a keyboard, right?
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2015-02-12T17:24:19Z moore33: beach: Yes, but that seems like overkill for the bus.
2015-02-12T17:24:27Z moore33: or on the bus.
2015-02-12T17:24:30Z beach: True.
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2015-02-12T17:31:22Z drmeister: Hi beach
2015-02-12T17:31:33Z beach: Hello drmeister.
2015-02-12T17:31:48Z beach: drmeister: There were more changes than I had anticipated.
2015-02-12T17:31:52Z beach: I am not sure I got them all.
2015-02-12T17:32:07Z drmeister: I ran into that GETHASH failure with HASH-TABLE-EQUAL again - I'm still working on it.
2015-02-12T17:32:13Z beach: Oh, OK.
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2015-02-12T17:33:14Z drmeister: I can get it to happen reproducibly with your code but not my test examples - argh.  I'm inserting printf statements into GETHASH under external control to get at it.
2015-02-12T17:33:18Z beach: drmeister: At this point, I am too tired to do any more work, so any more changes shall have to wait until tomorrow.
2015-02-12T17:33:24Z drmeister: No problem.
2015-02-12T17:33:41Z drmeister: Are there any other AST nodes that would have SYMBOL constants?
2015-02-12T17:33:41Z beach: Wow, nasty bug, then, huh?
2015-02-12T17:34:01Z drmeister: I don't know yet.
2015-02-12T17:34:47Z beach: drmeister: I don't think there are any others, but I can never remember these tings.
2015-02-12T17:35:03Z Shinmera: moore33: You could always use emacs over SSH if you have a server to run it on.
2015-02-12T17:35:03Z beach: ... so I would have to check.  And I am too tired to do that now.
2015-02-12T17:35:19Z beach: drmeister: Also, it's my night to cook, so I have to go pretty soon.
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2015-02-12T17:36:04Z beach: Shinmera: My experience is that wifi coverage on the bus is fairly limited.
2015-02-12T17:36:58Z Shinmera: Well, there's 3G for the needy, but yes. Somehow my mind skipped over the scenario constraint of a bus.
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2015-02-12T17:38:18Z drmeister: beach: Understood.
2015-02-12T17:38:58Z beach: moore33: Did you see that our beautiful city was elected "European best destination 2015"?
2015-02-12T17:39:12Z beach: [sorry for the off-topic]
2015-02-12T17:39:30Z moore33: beach: Yes! Glad I'm already here so I don't have to make the trip :)
2015-02-12T17:40:01Z beach: True.
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2015-02-12T17:40:20Z moore33: Shinmera: Unfortunately the tablet in question doesn't have 3G. I suppose I could rig up some sort of 3G hotspot with my phone.
2015-02-12T17:40:31Z moore33: I'd like to run code locally, though.
2015-02-12T17:40:43Z Shinmera: moore33: There's also 3G usb spots, but even then it's a wonky solution :/
2015-02-12T17:41:02Z Shinmera: I recall hearing stassats say that he ran SBCL on a chromebook recently.
2015-02-12T17:44:56Z moore33: later
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2015-02-12T17:48:44Z beach: drmeister: I still intend to set up another environment that is a little bit more like that of Clasp than the one I know have for SICL, so that I can test things more easily.  But I haven't quite finished the SICL environment after all the changes I made today, so I need more time.
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2015-02-12T17:55:23Z Shinmera: beach: If you want a binary for x64 linux I can bundle you one.
2015-02-12T17:55:29Z Shinmera: A Clasp binary I mean.
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2015-02-12T18:06:10Z AeroNotix: it's far too complex, feels brittle
2015-02-12T18:07:04Z Shinmera: Have you tried all of the gazillion testing frameworks?
2015-02-12T18:07:50Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: roughly 5 of them
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2015-02-12T18:09:06Z Shinmera: Sounds like a fair amount to make such a statement then. I've only tried 5am, but I don't really know what unit tests should be like so I can't say what it should look like either.
2015-02-12T18:09:09Z xyh: AeroNotix: https://github.com/cicada-language/cicada/blob/master/vm/common-lisp/little-tester/little-tester.org
2015-02-12T18:10:22Z AeroNotix: xyh: hmm, poorly documented
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2015-02-12T18:10:42Z xyh: AeroNotix: example of usage :: https://github.com/cicada-language/cicada/blob/master/vm/common-lisp/basic/basic.test.lisp
2015-02-12T18:10:52Z Shinmera: Have you tried fukamachi's prove? That one seemed interesting to me, but I never got around to trying it.
2015-02-12T18:11:05Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: link? I didn't try that one
2015-02-12T18:11:15Z Shinmera: https://github.com/fukamachi/prove/
2015-02-12T18:11:19Z AeroNotix: thanks
2015-02-12T18:11:32Z Shinmera: Google would've given you it in less time too ;)
2015-02-12T18:11:43Z AeroNotix: oh this looks nice
2015-02-12T18:11:53Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: yes but I want to interact with Lispers who know about things I want to learn about
2015-02-12T18:12:02Z AeroNotix: aimlessly googling is no good
2015-02-12T18:12:18Z Shinmera: Typing 'fukamachi prove' is what I did and I'm quite sure that given my hint that wouldn't have been aimless.
2015-02-12T18:12:32Z AeroNotix: this prove looks pretty good and ticks the first few boxes I have
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2015-02-12T18:12:34Z Shinmera: Anyway, if you do end up trying it let me know what you think.
2015-02-12T18:12:50Z Shinmera: What was your issue with 5am if you did try it?
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2015-02-12T18:13:24Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: complex to get it to run in a CI context
2015-02-12T18:13:24Z AeroNotix: (most of them are like this)
2015-02-12T18:13:35Z AeroNotix: i.e. trying to get a damned non-zero exit status from test runs!
2015-02-12T18:13:39Z AeroNotix: really annoying
2015-02-12T18:13:46Z Shinmera: Ah, I see.
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2015-02-12T18:14:12Z Shinmera: I never thought about CLI contexts.
2015-02-12T18:14:33Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: biggest problem for me
2015-02-12T18:14:39Z AeroNotix: Ralt spent a lot of time getting Lispkit nice and runnable for CI
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2015-02-12T18:15:33Z AeroNotix: (which uses fiveam)
2015-02-12T18:15:38Z Shinmera: I'm quite sure you could augment the non-zero exit for any framework if you add it yourself in the test-op method, but having it out of the box would be nice.
2015-02-12T18:15:59Z AeroNotix: yup
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2015-02-12T18:16:44Z Shinmera: How do you run the tests from the CLI now? Something like 'sbcl --eval "(asdf:test-system :foo)"' ?
2015-02-12T18:16:45Z AeroNotix: this is pretty much it. It's never thought about in any of them.
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2015-02-12T18:17:40Z AeroNotix: sbcl_TEST_OPTS=--noinform --disable-debugger --load $(QL_LOCAL)/setup.lisp --load ./run-tests.lisp --quit
2015-02-12T18:17:43Z AeroNotix: https://gist.github.com/AeroNotix/5db5ff691760385d6d1d
2015-02-12T18:17:56Z AeroNotix: and that's run-tests.lisp
2015-02-12T18:18:26Z Shinmera: You shouldn't have to quickload manually, test-system should take care of that.
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2015-02-12T18:18:54Z Shinmera: test-system of your main should delegate to test-system of the .. test system, with the main in its dependencies.
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2015-02-12T18:19:09Z Shinmera: (See https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/311 )
2015-02-12T18:19:09Z drmeister: What *print-XXX* would cause a structure to print as:
2015-02-12T18:19:13Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PYwMAkGI
2015-02-12T18:19:18Z drmeister: Rather than:
2015-02-12T18:19:38Z drmeister: (a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x10baa0b58> . preval2153#<STATIC-LEXICAL-LOCATION 0x10ba31068>)
2015-02-12T18:20:21Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: I'll look into it.
2015-02-12T18:20:30Z AeroNotix: Can you see my point though? It's far too complex to do this.
2015-02-12T18:20:34Z drmeister: Because I've got a weird problem - the addresses of these objects appear different but they should be the same.
2015-02-12T18:20:39Z Shinmera: AeroNotix: Definitely, yes.
2015-02-12T18:21:04Z Shinmera: AeroNotix: Though your foo.lisp test file should not be necessary imo.
2015-02-12T18:22:38Z AeroNotix: What I'd really like is for there to be a de-facto CLI tool
2015-02-12T18:22:48Z AeroNotix: e.g. `ql` which wraps quicklisp ops
2015-02-12T18:22:52Z Shinmera: drmeister: I'm confused. What should print like what instead of what?
2015-02-12T18:22:55Z AeroNotix: ql install foobar
2015-02-12T18:23:00Z AeroNotix: ql test
2015-02-12T18:23:32Z Shinmera: AeroNotix: That sounds familiar somehow
2015-02-12T18:23:42Z Shinmera: AeroNotix: I can't recall what it reminds me of though
2015-02-12T18:23:45Z Xach: I wouldn't mind something like that, but in the repl.
2015-02-12T18:23:55Z AeroNotix: Xach: CLI tooling is better for automation
2015-02-12T18:24:14Z AeroNotix: I want to use CL in a production setting. REPL is great for dev, but deploying infr needs proper automatable tooling
2015-02-12T18:24:15Z Shinmera: Put the automation inside CL
2015-02-12T18:24:21Z drmeister: Shinmera: I've got this: #S(#<COMMON-LISP:STANDARD-CLASS CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION 0x10f774798>  #slots[6]        :slot0 CONS...        :slot1 CONS...        :slot2 INSTANCE...        :slot3 CONS...        :slot4 CONS...        :slot5 CONS...)
2015-02-12T18:24:39Z AeroNotix: wrapping everythign in sbcl --eval or sbcl --load is tiresome
2015-02-12T18:24:42Z drmeister: vs this: a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x10baa0b58>
2015-02-12T18:24:52Z drmeister: Are these two different objects?
2015-02-12T18:24:55Z AeroNotix: a single tool with declarative operations is necessary to overcome this boilerplate
2015-02-12T18:25:14Z drmeister: Or is one a different printed representation of the other?  I'm very confused at the moment.
2015-02-12T18:25:21Z Xach: AeroNotix: You can save me some grepping: why does ryeboy depend-on asdf?
2015-02-12T18:25:44Z drmeister: Maybe the first is the class of the second?
2015-02-12T18:25:47Z AeroNotix: Xach: because I copy and pasted most of that asd definition from somewhere else most likely.
2015-02-12T18:25:49Z AeroNotix: I can remove it.
2015-02-12T18:25:52Z Shinmera: drmeister: I have no idea how a standard-class can end up as the name of a struct.
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2015-02-12T18:26:05Z AeroNotix: Xach: done
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2015-02-12T18:26:36Z drmeister: Is one a class and the other an instance of the class?
2015-02-12T18:26:58Z Shinmera: drmeister: I've been confused by your way of printing unreadable objects before.
2015-02-12T18:27:05Z Shinmera: I didn't mention it at the time for some reason.
2015-02-12T18:27:15Z drmeister: Shinmera: That makes two of us.
2015-02-12T18:27:24Z drmeister: It's something I need to fix.
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2015-02-12T18:27:43Z drmeister: Here's one that makes sense to me:   #<CORE:HASH-TABLE-EQUAL :count 4 :total-alist-entries 4 @0x10bd22e28>
2015-02-12T18:27:57Z drmeister: It's a HASH-TABLE-EQUAL containing 4 entries
2015-02-12T18:28:37Z Shinmera: Have a look at your PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT implementation, maybe something's off in there.
2015-02-12T18:28:42Z drmeister: I'm not sure why an instance prints like this:   a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x10baa0b58>
2015-02-12T18:28:58Z Xach: AeroNotix: I usually do something like BATCHSBCL=sbcl --non-interactive ..., QUICKLISP=$(BATCHSBCL) --load quicklisp/setup.lisp, etc in the makefile, and then use those as needed in targets.
2015-02-12T18:29:19Z drmeister: But I believe that this is an instance of a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION at address 0x10baa0b58
2015-02-12T18:29:26Z Shinmera: drmeister: It sounds to me like you're printing the type before the actual unreadable object print hits.
2015-02-12T18:30:01Z Shinmera: clhs print-unreadable-object
2015-02-12T18:30:01Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_pr_unr.htm
2015-02-12T18:30:02Z drmeister: Where would that be happening?
2015-02-12T18:30:11Z Shinmera: I'm guessing there.
2015-02-12T18:30:45Z Shinmera: Or alternatively you defined some PRINT-OBJECT method without using P-U-O.
2015-02-12T18:31:00Z Shinmera: And messed up there.
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2015-02-12T18:32:58Z drmeister: Is there any way to copy the mini buffer output to the clipboard in emacs before it vanishes?
2015-02-12T18:33:42Z Xach: drmeister: you can look in the *Messages* buffer
2015-02-12T18:36:02Z drmeister: Thanks:    (prin1-to-string cleavir-hir-transformations::imports) "#<CORE:HASH-TABLE-EQ :count 1 :total-alist-entries 1 @0x1118f53d8> "
2015-02-12T18:36:16Z drmeister: That is HASH-TABLE-EQ printed as an unprintable object
2015-02-12T18:36:34Z Shinmera: Looks good.
2015-02-12T18:36:57Z drmeister: (prin1-to-string cleavir-hir-transformations::owner) ==> "a CLEAVIR-IR:TOP-LEVEL-ENTER-INSTRUCTION#<0x10baa0b58>"
2015-02-12T18:37:11Z drmeister: This should be an instance of a class.
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2015-02-12T18:37:22Z drmeister: That does not look good - right?  Why is it doing that?
2015-02-12T18:37:32Z Shinmera: Yeah, that's wrong.
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2015-02-12T18:38:09Z drmeister: Any idea why it's doing that?
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2015-02-12T18:38:23Z drmeister: I know I wrote it - but I don't know where that is coming from.
2015-02-12T18:38:38Z drmeister: Is it some generic PRINT-OBJECT method on instances?
2015-02-12T18:38:40Z Shinmera: Have a look at the print-object method for a standard-class instance.
2015-02-12T18:39:14Z Shinmera: Hm, no
2015-02-12T18:39:17Z Shinmera: print-object on T
2015-02-12T18:39:24Z Shinmera: It does the same weird stuff even for a character.
2015-02-12T18:39:58Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Qm9TfTlQ
2015-02-12T18:40:43Z drmeister: So it's doing what it's supposed to be doing isn't it?
2015-02-12T18:41:02Z Shinmera: should probably be (print-unreadable-object (instance stream :type T :identity T))
2015-02-12T18:41:33Z Shinmera: But your P-U-O is probably busted in that it executes the body before writing the #< and type.
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2015-02-12T18:41:40Z Shinmera: Which is what I guessed before.
2015-02-12T18:42:38Z Shinmera: Yeah, P-U-O is broken.
2015-02-12T18:42:47Z Shinmera: https://filebox.tymoon.eu/file/TXpVeQ==
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2015-02-12T18:43:45Z drmeister: So what do you recommend?  Look at the P-U-O code?
2015-02-12T18:43:49Z Shinmera: Yes.
2015-02-12T18:44:07Z Shinmera: Also change the print-object standard method to what I suggested above.
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2015-02-12T18:47:03Z Shinmera: is this it? https://github.com/drmeister/clasp/blob/2ba833a547ff99b8f5b1dd6a17161124f8cde76f/src/lisp/kernel/closette/newcl.lsp#L85
2015-02-12T18:47:32Z drmeister: No - hang on - it's in C++
2015-02-12T18:47:47Z Shinmera: Ok, because that seemed fine with the exception of not using gensyms.
2015-02-12T18:47:49Z drmeister: I see the problem.
2015-02-12T18:48:14Z drmeister: I'm using C++ streams mixed with CL streams - that won't work.
2015-02-12T18:49:11Z Shinmera: A racing issue or similar seemed like a candidate as well, but I dismissed it as ridiculous. I guess I wasn't far off.
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2015-02-12T18:52:09Z drmeister: I fixed the code so that it just uses CL streams, now everything should be in sequence.
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2015-02-12T18:54:28Z drmeister: Does this look better?
2015-02-12T18:54:31Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zwa6XSqI
2015-02-12T18:55:08Z Shinmera: I'd omit the "a ", and one of them has an @ for the address, the other doesn't.
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2015-02-12T18:56:08Z drmeister: I'll have to fix that in the Common Lisp code.
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2015-02-12T18:56:40Z drmeister: Ok, well, this should make the problem easier to understand and debug.
2015-02-12T18:57:03Z drmeister: Thanks Shinmera,  I'll fix the "a " and add an "@" to the standard-class one later.
2015-02-12T18:57:11Z Shinmera: Glad to be of help!
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2015-02-12T19:04:04Z drmeister: Ok - all better now.
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2015-02-12T19:54:31Z devon``: hiring Lispers - send portfolio to CV@Beeches.org
2015-02-12T19:54:52Z White_Flame: what about contracting?
2015-02-12T19:55:02Z devon``: likewise
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2015-02-12T19:57:50Z White_Flame: check PM
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2015-02-12T20:05:09Z tokenrove: AeroNotix: are you doing CI with CL?  if so, care to share your setup?
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2015-02-12T20:06:31Z AeroNotix: tokenrove: travis-ci
2015-02-12T20:06:51Z AeroNotix: tokenrove: https://github.com/AeroNotix/lispkit has a working travis-ci set up.
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2015-02-12T20:07:18Z tokenrove: cool.  i was looking to do something similar.  thanks.
2015-02-12T20:07:29Z AeroNotix: nw
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2015-02-12T20:27:04Z Ralt: hi
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2015-02-12T20:27:18Z AeroNotix: yo yo
2015-02-12T20:27:19Z Ralt: how can I get a approximate value of a fraction?
2015-02-12T20:27:44Z Ralt: ohai AeroNotix
2015-02-12T20:28:24Z _death: rationalize?
2015-02-12T20:28:45Z Ralt: _death: ignore me. I was looking for round.
2015-02-12T20:30:58Z White_Flame: there's also (float 1/2) etc
2015-02-12T20:31:22Z AeroNotix: Just use ints. :P
2015-02-12T20:31:30Z AeroNotix: (defvar pi 3)
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2015-02-12T20:33:38Z Ralt: just wanted a quick approximation for this: http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2vmukn/lets_say_i_can_access_all_digital_information/cojk6u1?context=1
2015-02-12T20:34:29Z White_Flame: I can never understand the reddit interface
2015-02-12T20:34:41Z White_Flame: "This is really incredible work!" <- who is he addressing?
2015-02-12T20:34:47Z Ralt: the parent
2015-02-12T20:35:17Z Ralt: change the url to use ?context=2 instead of ?context=1
2015-02-12T20:35:50Z White_Flame: oh, I misread "You are viewing a single comment's thread" as "You are viewing a single thread's comments"
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2015-02-12T20:36:20Z White_Flame: but it's a common problem I see with most reddit links.  The subject matter never seems to appear on the page
2015-02-12T20:36:57Z Ralt: people just don't send you the correct link
2015-02-12T20:37:09Z Bicyclidine: lol, this is pretty inefficient.
2015-02-12T20:37:31Z Bicyclidine: clhs logcount
2015-02-12T20:37:31Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_logcou.htm
2015-02-12T20:37:33Z Ralt: Bicyclidine: I'm open to suggestions to improve it :-)
2015-02-12T20:37:40Z Bicyclidine: should go faster than format (with zeroes = 8 - that, ofc)
2015-02-12T20:37:50Z Ralt: oh. Didn't know there was a function for it. That's cheating.
2015-02-12T20:38:05Z Bicyclidine: psh, your processor probably has it as an instruction. totally legit
2015-02-12T20:38:16Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: case-in-point prove doesn't work as it claims.
2015-02-12T20:38:25Z AeroNotix: It says it can be loaded with quicklisp, for a start
2015-02-12T20:38:49Z Shinmera: And it can.
2015-02-12T20:39:51Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: not here it can't
2015-02-12T20:40:02Z Shinmera: How can it "not"?
2015-02-12T20:40:12Z AeroNotix: I mean, it's not in quicklisp already is what I mean.
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2015-02-12T20:40:16Z Shinmera: But it is.
2015-02-12T20:40:20Z Shinmera: Your QL dist is outdated.
2015-02-12T20:40:27Z AeroNotix: trying to update then
2015-02-12T20:40:44Z Bicyclidine: Ralt: also if you wanted to keep the stringing for whatever reason, (let* ((zeros (count #\0 (format nil "~b" byte))) (ones (- 8 zeros))) (format t ...))
2015-02-12T20:41:14Z Bicyclidine: actually you shouldn't use eight, since you just read it as unsigned bytes it could be some other byte size
2015-02-12T20:41:17Z oGMo: um
2015-02-12T20:41:32Z Bicyclidine: i have no idea how that will open actually.
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2015-02-12T20:42:05Z Bicyclidine: oGMo: if i said something wrong do correct me
2015-02-12T20:42:09Z oGMo: i hope you're kidding because that's probably the worst (and also wrongest) way to count bits i've ever seen heh
2015-02-12T20:42:20Z Bicyclidine: oh, well, yeah.
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2015-02-12T20:42:40Z Bicyclidine: actually the format won't print leading zeroes, which kind of ruins the point
2015-02-12T20:42:41Z Ralt: yup. Using logcount is definitely better.
2015-02-12T20:42:43Z oGMo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_weight
2015-02-12T20:42:54Z Bicyclidine: yeah, i already mentioned logcount.
2015-02-12T20:43:09Z _death: not reading byte-by-byte would be even better..
2015-02-12T20:43:11Z oGMo: logcount is probably well-implemented because it's pretty trivial
2015-02-12T20:44:09Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: ok that was it, thought I'd updated recently.
2015-02-12T20:44:45Z Shinmera: Always update before claiming things aren't in QL.
2015-02-12T20:44:52Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: good call :)
2015-02-12T20:45:23Z oGMo: or that things are broken/buggy/not working as advertised/etc
2015-02-12T20:47:16Z Ralt: but sometimes things are broken because of a dist is broken by another dist...
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2015-02-12T21:00:05Z Shinmera: Exciting: 118 lines twitter client https://filebox.tymoon.eu/file/TXpVMA==
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2015-02-12T21:00:45Z oGMo: Shinmera: is that gtk3?
2015-02-12T21:00:55Z Shinmera: Nah, Qt.
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2015-02-12T21:01:04Z oGMo: ah, well, still native
2015-02-12T21:01:09Z Shinmera: It's using the GTK+ theme engine though.
2015-02-12T21:02:35Z Shinmera: (the 118 lines includes a login dialog not pictured)
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2015-02-12T21:25:00Z drmeister: This should not be true - correct?    (eql (sxhash (make-instance 'foo)) (sxhash (make-instance 'foo)))
2015-02-12T21:25:39Z Grue`: it can be true
2015-02-12T21:25:42Z White_Flame: a hash function that always returns a constant is a valid, but not high quality
2015-02-12T21:26:09Z Grue`: reminds me of hash function in PHP for function names, which was length of function name
2015-02-12T21:26:11Z drmeister: Ok, it may be true by coincidence but in principle it should be false.
2015-02-12T21:26:46Z drmeister: s/in principle/most often/
2015-02-12T21:26:48Z White_Flame: it would be generally expected to be false, with some rare true cases, for a reasonable hash function
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2015-02-12T21:29:23Z Ralt: Grue`: source? I only know of spl_object_hash, which can be unreliable (in case of reused memory)
2015-02-12T21:29:54Z White_Flame: drmeister: actually, I rescind my statement
2015-02-12T21:30:17Z drmeister: Which one?
2015-02-12T21:30:33Z White_Flame: In the case of eql hash tables, the eql-hash function should return different values
2015-02-12T21:31:26Z White_Flame: but I wouldn't expect the normal context-free sxhash on an object to include the address in hashing
2015-02-12T21:33:38Z _death: why not
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2015-02-12T21:33:50Z White_Flame: because if the object moves, the hash would change
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2015-02-12T21:34:08Z White_Flame: the GC typically interoperates with eq/eql hashtables to maintain them properly
2015-02-12T21:34:28Z White_Flame: depending on implementation specifics
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2015-02-12T21:35:54Z _death: it also depends on your gc then
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2015-02-12T21:43:48Z AeroNotix: Shinmera: prove is impressive
2015-02-12T21:47:20Z fe[nl]ix: AeroNotix: what's prove ?
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2015-02-12T21:49:04Z AeroNotix: fe[nl]ix: a testing library
2015-02-12T21:49:13Z AeroNotix: but is nice and has good docs
2015-02-12T21:49:57Z Ralt: AeroNotix: go to your room
2015-02-12T21:50:34Z AeroNotix: Ralt: seriously! Check it out
2015-02-12T21:50:42Z AeroNotix: much nicer to use than the alternatives.
2015-02-12T21:50:46Z Ralt: I did. And I want to talk to you about it on #lispkit :)
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2015-02-12T22:47:30Z pjb: minion: memo for Cymew: conditions COULD be CLOS objects, but don't have to be.  The condition system was defined before CLOS.
2015-02-12T22:47:30Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell Cymew when he/she/it next speaks.
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2015-02-12T23:08:36Z pillton: I was (re)reading the AMOP book last night with the purpose of getting a better description of the design decisions which led to the three layers that underpin CLOS.
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2015-02-12T23:09:12Z pillton: The syntactic layer (defclass, defgeneric, etc.), the glue layer (ensure-class, ensure-generic-function, etc.) and the meta object layer (standard-class, standard-generic-function, etc.)
2015-02-12T23:09:18Z Shinmera: The article explaining my tiny twitter client in tutorial form is out: https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/313
2015-02-12T23:10:03Z pillton: Do people still refer to the different layers that way now?
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2015-02-12T23:10:37Z Bike: i don't see why they wouldn't, if they had reason to talk about it, which they probably don't
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2015-02-12T23:12:36Z pillton: I really like the design pattern. It is very clever and it makes things easy to implement.
2015-02-12T23:14:49Z pillton: I am struggling to describe when it would be better to use ENSURE-CLASS over DEFCLASS.
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2015-02-12T23:16:43Z Bike: mop ensure-class
2015-02-12T23:16:44Z specbot: http://metamodular.com/CLOS-MOP/ensure-class.html
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2015-02-12T23:17:14Z Bike: when you have a metaclass that would usefully have other syntactic options, i suppose
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2015-02-12T23:18:04Z Bike: or you want to do things at runtime specifically, like say for cl-json's fluid classes, probably.
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2015-02-12T23:19:49Z pillton: Hmm. Yes.
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2015-02-12T23:44:39Z pjb: sxhash cannot change: 3. The hash-code for an object is always the same within a single session provided that the object is not visibly modified with regard to the equivalence test equal. See Section 18.1.2 (Modifying Hash Table Keys).
2015-02-12T23:45:09Z pjb: The point is that hash-table don't have to use sxhash, and therefore, may have to rehash when moving the objects occur.
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2015-02-12T23:55:36Z AeroNotix: https://github.com/AeroNotix/ryeboy yay, mostly complete.
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