2015-01-25T00:00:54Z dim: mm, some bugreports about pgloader on windows
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2015-01-25T00:01:22Z pjb: Happy programmer who receives bug reports!
2015-01-25T00:01:34Z dim: hell yes, not complaining about that parts ;-)
2015-01-25T00:02:45Z dim: it's more like I know nothing about windows, don't really want to learn, and maybe it would be easier if I could just use LispWorks to produce the binary? but that's too much work and there's the licensing issues
2015-01-25T00:03:51Z pjb: what implementation did you use to target MSWindows?
2015-01-25T00:04:29Z dim: I installed sbcl
2015-01-25T00:04:54Z pjb: I would have used ccl.
2015-01-25T00:06:08Z nyef: ... "Let's do BOTH!"
2015-01-25T00:06:19Z dim: I may have some pgloader bugs to fix before I get it running with ccl
2015-01-25T00:06:24Z dim: but might as well give it a try
2015-01-25T00:06:28Z nyef: Heh.
2015-01-25T00:06:33Z dim: the current problem is to do with loading ddls tho
2015-01-25T00:06:46Z dim: https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/issues/159 and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28130419/pgloader-error-sqlite3-dll-but-am-not-using-sqlite for the whole story
2015-01-25T00:06:47Z nyef: Data Definition Languages?
2015-01-25T00:07:06Z nyef: Oh, Dynamic Link Libraries. Different acronym. d-:
2015-01-25T00:07:15Z dim: yeah
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2015-01-25T00:12:17Z dim: currently finding myself unable to use the windows vm again
2015-01-25T00:12:23Z dim: not starting in a good way
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2015-01-25T00:17:51Z dim: is there a legal way to get a windows activation key for open source development for free or something?
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2015-01-25T00:22:09Z nyef: dim: Dare I suggest using WINE?
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2015-01-25T00:22:33Z nyef: (I know, given my stance when it comes to emulators, suggesting using WINE is pretty weak.)
2015-01-25T00:22:35Z pjb: That wouldn't very help in debugging a MS-Window 8 or 10 problem.
2015-01-25T00:23:48Z nyef: That's fair.
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2015-01-25T00:26:11Z nyef: For that matter, I'm somewhat disappointed that SBCL runs on WINE, given that SBCL changed to make it work rather than WINE changing to make it work.
2015-01-25T00:26:19Z dim: would WINE run ontop of macosx?
2015-01-25T00:26:43Z pjb: I don't think so.
2015-01-25T00:26:47Z nyef: http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
2015-01-25T00:27:01Z pjb: But you can run MS-Windows directly on Apple hardware, or you can run it on VirtualBox on MacOSX. Works nicely.
2015-01-25T00:27:16Z nyef: Looks like it would.
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2015-01-25T00:27:22Z nyef: Well, should.
2015-01-25T00:27:32Z pjb: Ah good!  Things evolve.
2015-01-25T00:28:04Z nyef: To the point of being included in homebrew, macports, and fink.
2015-01-25T00:28:09Z nyef: Whatever "fink" is.
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2015-01-25T00:28:23Z dim: ok well it looks like I've lost my windows setup entirely
2015-01-25T00:28:58Z nyef: "WINE Is Not an Emulator" -- because emulators typically work better?
2015-01-25T00:29:25Z pjb: Because WINE is a simulator, not an emulator.
2015-01-25T00:29:35Z nyef: (I know, I shouldn't be so down on WINE, but it's such an EASY target.)
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2015-01-25T00:35:44Z dim: oh found an earlier version of the VM that works apparently
2015-01-25T00:35:59Z dim: vagrant + git + branches is not as straghforward as I'd like
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2015-01-25T00:41:11Z xyh: I am still writing my little test framework,
2015-01-25T00:41:11Z xyh: when loading a "hello.test.lisp" file (which contain DEFTESTs)
2015-01-25T00:41:12Z xyh: (a DEFTEST binds a named-test to a test-unit-name)
2015-01-25T00:41:19Z xyh: I wish to set up a path name to output the report of this test-unit.
2015-01-25T00:41:19Z xyh: for example "HELLO.unit-test-report.org~"
2015-01-25T00:41:19Z xyh: but, when loading "hello.test.lisp" how can I get the directory which contains it ?
2015-01-25T00:41:46Z pjb: Using *load-pathname*  or *compile-file-pathname*
2015-01-25T00:42:28Z pjb: or using *load-truename*  or *compile-file-truename*
2015-01-25T00:43:06Z xyh: pjb: thx, I will search these words
2015-01-25T00:47:24Z pjb: xyh: you may also need eval-when
2015-01-25T00:47:42Z pjb: and load-time-value
2015-01-25T00:50:08Z dim: ah the irony, having to cut down mssql support to be able to build on windows
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2015-01-25T00:54:50Z xyh: I tryed this :: (defparameter l (list *load-pathname* *compile-file-pathname* *load-truename* *compile-file-truename*))
2015-01-25T00:54:53Z xyh: and it gets me :: (#P"/home/xyh/.cache/common-lisp/ccl..."  NIL  #P"/home/xyh/.cache/common-lisp/ccl..."  NIL)
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2015-01-25T00:57:47Z pjb: xyh: eval-when situations are: :compile-toplevel which is when you call compile-file
2015-01-25T00:58:05Z pjb: :execute which is when you load the source file, and
2015-01-25T00:58:16Z pjb: :load-toplevel which is when you load the compiled file.
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2015-01-25T00:59:32Z pjb: The compile-time effects of defparameter don't include evaluating the initial value: this is done only at load time, either of the source or of the compiled file.
2015-01-25T01:00:14Z pjb: xyh: what did you want? why did you want it?  what if the "program" is moved to some other place?
2015-01-25T01:00:45Z pjb: xyh: what happens if user U compiles the program on system A, and user V uses it on system B?
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2015-01-25T01:01:28Z xyh: where to compile the unit-test, where to output the report.
2015-01-25T01:01:55Z pjb: Output the report where the user tells it to put it.  Or by default, you may use (user-homedir-pathname).
2015-01-25T01:02:51Z pjb: (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "Documents") :name "test" :type "report" :case :local) (user-homedir-pathname)) ; for example
2015-01-25T01:05:18Z xyh: I guess I should provide some methods to let the user choose.
2015-01-25T01:05:31Z pjb: It would be best.
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2015-01-25T01:06:34Z pjb: the functional code should use parameters, and you can have some user interface (just a command function) that get the parameters from whatever source is convenient (environment variables, command arguments, interactively, or even as parameter).
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2015-01-25T01:16:59Z quazimodo: hey all
2015-01-25T01:17:06Z quazimodo: <- learning bout monads
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2015-01-25T01:18:07Z nyef: quazimodo: Reading drewc's screeds, or via some other method?
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2015-01-25T01:19:17Z quazimodo: nyef: just whatever i can get my hands on
2015-01-25T01:19:32Z quazimodo: actually the monoid of functions and the way monads keep things composing is intersting for me
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2015-01-25T01:24:00Z xyh: pjb: I also wish to write a shell to be used in the repl, (to do "cd" and "ls" stuffs).
2015-01-25T01:24:01Z xyh: but the command-completion feature holds me back.
2015-01-25T01:24:01Z xyh: (switch from line-mode to key-mode and to read a key, should be as easy as READ, but it is not)
2015-01-25T01:24:46Z pjb: xyh: Have a look at coml.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.browser and coml.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.interactive
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2015-01-25T01:25:03Z pjb: xyh: it is beyond the CL specification.
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2015-01-25T01:28:09Z pjb: Theorically, read-char-no-hang could implement it, along with listen: an implementation could switch off the canonical mode when they're called, and switch it back on when you call READ, READ-LINE or READ-SEQUENCE, for example.
2015-01-25T01:28:25Z pjb: The problem is that we don't have a substandard for unix or posix systems.
2015-01-25T01:28:58Z pjb: xyh: notice that if you use clisp, then it's trivial: you use the KEYBOARD package (and the SCREEN package to perform 2D terminal output).
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2015-01-25T01:39:58Z Xach: it is a matter of a few foreign function calls
2015-01-25T01:40:10Z Xach: making sure to get out of key mode if you enter the debugger is pretty handy too
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2015-01-25T02:02:32Z pjb: Xach: sure, you can use ffi to deal with the terminal, but the problem is that this is not necessarily well integrated into the CL implementation.
2015-01-25T02:03:03Z pjb: eg. You can't use format when you use ncurses. (but you can when you use the #+clisp screen package which uses ncurses).
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2015-01-25T21:02:54Z wilhelm.freenode.net:#lisp- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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2015-01-25T22:28:17Z Cheery: http://boxbase.org/entries/2015/jan/26/treepython/
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2015-01-25T23:00:24Z mietek: Hi.
2015-01-25T23:00:49Z mietek: froggey: looking forward to your OS appearing on GitHub.
2015-01-25T23:01:55Z nyef: froggey: Out of curiosity, what sort of filesystem does your system use?
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2015-01-25T23:03:25Z Shinmera: minion: memo for beach: Well, Clasp didn't make it before midnight, as I expected. Here's what it managed to produce: http://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/8Q#
2015-01-25T23:03:25Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks.
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2015-01-25T23:03:43Z froggey: mietek: thanks, it should there be sometime early next week
2015-01-25T23:04:01Z mietek: froggey: what’s your account name?
2015-01-25T23:04:16Z nyef: froggey: Is that the last week in January or the first week in February?
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2015-01-25T23:05:17Z froggey: nyef: the filesystem is built out of lisp objects, and then files are actually stored on-disk via the transparent persistence mechanism
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2015-01-25T23:05:43Z froggey: mietek: froggey, but there's nothing interesting there at the moment
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2015-01-25T23:05:46Z nyef: Ah, okay.
2015-01-25T23:06:00Z mietek: froggey: sure, but people can follow you and get an automatic notification
2015-01-25T23:06:04Z mietek: Thanks
2015-01-25T23:06:16Z froggey: ah, I'm not very github-savvy
2015-01-25T23:07:14Z froggey: nyef: there's also an ext2 partition on the disk, but that only holds the bootloader
2015-01-25T23:07:28Z froggey: it's not actually touched after the system starts
2015-01-25T23:07:30Z nyef: ... GRUB, or something else?
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2015-01-25T23:08:44Z froggey: something else. it was written by someone else for another project, then got pressed into service for this
2015-01-25T23:09:29Z nyef: Fair enough. My attempt at a LispOS used an old Forth system I had kicking around as a bootloader.
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2015-01-25T23:09:58Z froggey: http://git.alex-smith.me.uk/?p=kiwi/kboot.git;a=summary  this, with an entirely new boot protocol bolted on
2015-01-25T23:11:40Z nyef: ... MIPS?
2015-01-25T23:11:57Z nyef: I'm amused already, given what I've been hacking on for the past week. (-:
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2015-01-25T23:13:40Z froggey: I don't know anything about that, I'm currently x86-only
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2015-01-25T23:15:49Z froggey: unrelated: it turns out that there's an existing project called Mezzanine and they asked me to rename, so Mezzanine the OS is Mezzano now
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