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The emacs code that generated the link didn't fail. 2015-01-20T00:12:30Z nell quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-01-20T00:13:01Z pillton: I thought you meant LOAD. 2015-01-20T00:13:17Z |3b|: ah, seems to have started working 2015-01-20T00:13:48Z pillton: http://paste.lisp.org/display/145289 2015-01-20T00:14:12Z xyh quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T00:15:44Z |3b|: implementations are allowed to ignore compiler-macros, so it isn't unreasonable 2015-01-20T00:16:28Z |3b|: not sure if macroexpand-dammit should be expected to expand them on implementations that do use them or not 2015-01-20T00:17:12Z |3b|: i guess the cliki page says it does expand them, so could be a bug 2015-01-20T00:17:13Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-01-20T00:17:52Z pillton: You can fix this problem from within macroexpand-dammit. 2015-01-20T00:18:25Z pillton: I'll ask the maintainer. Ta. 2015-01-20T00:19:05Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-20T00:19:17Z pillton: Another question. Is an implementation required to call *macroexpand-hook* every time it performs macro expansion? 2015-01-20T00:19:52Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-01-20T00:22:16Z |3b|: looks like at least most of the time 2015-01-20T00:22:21Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-20T00:22:25Z PuercoPop: my reading of http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/v_mexp_h.htm#STmacroexpand-hookST is yes, but you can't save the environment 2015-01-20T00:23:06Z |3b|: specified to call it during evaluation of macro forms, and from macroexpand-1 2015-01-20T00:24:37Z hoosieree joined #lisp 2015-01-20T00:24:39Z |3b|: not completely sure it is explicitly required during compilation, but i'd expect it to 2015-01-20T00:24:59Z williamyaoh joined #lisp 2015-01-20T00:25:18Z pillton: That was my feeling too. 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That's what I do. I'm just being curious 2015-01-20T02:44:08Z akkad is forced to use it for threads/netbsd 2015-01-20T02:44:09Z nyef: CMUCL still, at last report, has at least one maintainer. 2015-01-20T02:45:04Z frkout_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:46:25Z harish quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-20T02:47:48Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:48:06Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T02:49:23Z eivarv joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:49:29Z Vivitron quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-20T02:49:31Z innertracks quit (Client Quit) 2015-01-20T02:50:26Z Vivitron joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:51:12Z guicho joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:52:05Z JokesOnYou77: Hi all. I have a string of this from "(func foo)" that comes from the output of another program (so I can't change it's format) and I'd like to READ it in and EVAL it in order to parse that other program's output. I defined FUNK and used READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE but foo isn't loaded at a symbol and I want to get it as a string. How can I get foo as a string? 2015-01-20T02:52:06Z minion: JokesOnYou77, memo from pjb: you can use READ to read your file since it's basically a SEXP. But it's not a standard CL sexp, for the use of comma, for example. You can easily write a readtable so that CL:READ may still read it. http://paste.lisp.org/+343B/1 2015-01-20T02:53:46Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: you can't get it as a string, but you can read it as a symbol and then use the symbol's name 2015-01-20T02:53:49Z ebrasca quit (Quit: ebrasca) 2015-01-20T02:54:56Z H4ns: (string (second (read-from-string "(func foo)"))) => "FOO" 2015-01-20T02:55:23Z JokesOnYou77: H4ns, That's what I thought, but I just get an error that it doesn't know the value foo 2015-01-20T02:55:57Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: then you did it wrong. what i've just pasted works very well. 2015-01-20T02:56:36Z kapil__ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T02:58:23Z JokesOnYou77: What if I want (defun func (token) (...do stuff with token)) ? 2015-01-20T02:59:29Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: i suspect that your problem is not the reader. you can read such forms quite well if they're readable common lisp s-expressions. you can do whatever you please with what you've read. 2015-01-20T02:59:46Z JokesOnYou77: So that I can (with-input-from-string (s *my-string*) (eval (read s))) 2015-01-20T03:00:25Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: you will have to put something between the read and the eval that turns the data that you've read into something that can be evaluated 2015-01-20T03:00:53Z JokesOnYou77: Hmmm... But if func is a function, what else do I need to do? 2015-01-20T03:00:54Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: but not that when you're trying to use eval, you're doing it wrong in 99% of the cases. 2015-01-20T03:01:47Z JokesOnYou77: Yes, I recognize the terrors of EVAL, but I have a program that reurns a file of s-expressions and Lisp seemed to be the perfect parser 2015-01-20T03:02:13Z nyef: Parser, MAYBE, but using EVAL is usually a mistake. 2015-01-20T03:02:37Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: if what you're reading is not common lisp code, you cannot just expect eval to work with it. 2015-01-20T03:03:03Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: you first have to turn your data into common lisp before you can expect eval to work with it. 2015-01-20T03:03:27Z nyef: And effort spent on bodging something together to make EVAL work on it is probably better spent writing something more specific to the data format. 2015-01-20T03:03:41Z booly-yam-8846 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T03:04:50Z JokesOnYou77: H4ns, It's not, this was really just a hope. It's output from the Stanford Constituency parser: http://nlp.stanford.edu/software/lex-parser.shtml 2015-01-20T03:05:25Z booly-yam-8846 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:05:26Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: if you had hoped that eval can evaluate anything, then i'm sorry to have to tell you that your hope was futile. 2015-01-20T03:05:33Z JokesOnYou77: pjb, contributed to a paste concerning this last night that I'm trying to work though now as well 2015-01-20T03:05:40Z JokesOnYou77: :_( 2015-01-20T03:05:46Z loke: JokesOnYou77: That's not readable lisp sexps though 2015-01-20T03:06:00Z loke: expecially (. .) will throw an error 2015-01-20T03:06:13Z Adlai quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-01-20T03:06:13Z JokesOnYou77: That's why I'm here. If it printed readable lisp i wouldn't have needed help :P 2015-01-20T03:06:29Z JokesOnYou77: yeah, I might need to pass that part through a regex 2015-01-20T03:06:53Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: why don't you just write a program that parses the specific file format? 2015-01-20T03:06:59Z loke: JokesOnYou77: I would argue that it's too far from being sexp that you're better off writing a dedicated parser 2015-01-20T03:07:16Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: it is a common mistake to believe that the lisp reader is the right tool to read arbitrary data files. 2015-01-20T03:07:36Z loke: Of you _could_ mangle the data to become a proper sexp, but I'd argue that writing the full parser is probably easier and less error-prone 2015-01-20T03:08:11Z JokesOnYou77: Grrrr....*sigh* it's just so close though, I was hoping that Lisp would make it easy on me. If I'm just going to write a straight parser I might as well go bask to python :/ 2015-01-20T03:08:24Z akkad: green-threads looks like what I need 2015-01-20T03:08:47Z loke: JokesOnYou77: The parts with the parens is easy engough to mangle. The rest is harder though 2015-01-20T03:09:22Z loke: Not saying it's impossible. The part that has format word(word,word) is not that hard to restructure eigher 2015-01-20T03:10:11Z zRecursive: akkad: What's green theads you mentioned ? 2015-01-20T03:10:40Z akkad: package to provide green-threads. 2015-01-20T03:11:03Z akkad: on platforms sbcl does not have native support 2015-01-20T03:11:17Z akkad: vs the hard failure of "threads are not supported on this platform" 2015-01-20T03:12:08Z JokesOnYou77: pjb was actually nice enough to contribute to my paste from last night with some code to help me but it uses readtables which I've never used before :/ http://paste.lisp.org/display/145271#1 But I think it handles some of the more unusual parts 2015-01-20T03:12:57Z zRecursive: akkad: on netbsd? 2015-01-20T03:15:31Z nyef: akkad: Have you considered looking into adding thread support to SBCL where you need it? 2015-01-20T03:16:13Z nyef: Admittedly, that won't be easy if you need it on ARM. 2015-01-20T03:19:26Z nell joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:26:29Z JokesOnYou77: loke any thoughts on how to get the words as stings though? 2015-01-20T03:27:14Z nyef: JokesOnYou77: You know, there's a REASON why we keep suggesting that you write your own parser instead of trying to use READ. 2015-01-20T03:27:28Z yeticry quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-20T03:30:28Z JokesOnYou77: nyef, I do, but when I see s-expressions I think lisp and if there were a way to generalize the parser in Lisp is would be incredibly useful. I'm just trying to see if it's possible, it seemed like it should be, that's all 2015-01-20T03:31:01Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: it is possible, but it does not make sense. 2015-01-20T03:31:22Z nyef: That reader for #\( isn't a good match for the input format, either. 2015-01-20T03:31:53Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T03:32:33Z frkout_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T03:33:01Z frkout joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:33:21Z yeticry joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:33:23Z JokesOnYou77: hmmm...ok. I'm trying to ply with it now. I guess I'm being thick here, but I still don't understand why it's such a bad idea. It seemed like such an elegant solution. 2015-01-20T03:34:29Z nyef: For every hard problem there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong. 2015-01-20T03:34:54Z JokesOnYou77: rofl, thanks. 2015-01-20T03:34:56Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: the data that you have is not in common lisp syntax, but the common lisp reader is designed to read common lisp. 2015-01-20T03:35:13Z H4ns: JokesOnYou77: is that really so hard to grasp? 2015-01-20T03:36:02Z nyef: How about this? Ignore us, spend a few days on trying to persuade the reader to work the way you want. Really, truly go deep into figuring out how and why it behaves the way that it does and the limits of that behavior. 2015-01-20T03:36:19Z JokesOnYou77: It's not hard to grasp, I'm just trying to see for myself how to make it work and then make the judgment call for if it's worth it myself. 2015-01-20T03:36:24Z nyef: Many of us have done PRECISELY that exercise. 2015-01-20T03:39:36Z guicho: JokeOnYou77: it uses readtables which I've never used before << so you better be familiar with readtables.... I don't think CL:READ is only for common lisp syntax, it is just customized to read CL syntax by default 2015-01-20T03:40:05Z nyef: There are things that it is either not easy or not possible to do in terms of customizing the reader. 2015-01-20T03:40:15Z JokesOnYou77: guicho, becoming familiar as we speak 2015-01-20T03:40:43Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:42:02Z H4ns: some questions for help are really not meant to be responded to by people with actual knowledge, but by people who don't have it, apparently :) 2015-01-20T03:42:18Z Rptx joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:42:39Z nand1 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:42:53Z MrWoohoo quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-01-20T03:43:37Z vdamewood quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-01-20T03:43:46Z antonv quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-01-20T03:43:48Z beach joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:43:56Z beach: Good morning everyone! 2015-01-20T03:44:01Z nyef: H4ns: When the voice of experience doesn't say what we wish to hear, what we are REALLY asking for is assistance in BECOMING the voice of experience. 2015-01-20T03:44:04Z nyef: Hello beach. 2015-01-20T03:44:16Z H4ns: beach: good morning! 2015-01-20T03:44:32Z H4ns: nyef: you're putting it so much nicer :) 2015-01-20T03:44:48Z Harag joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:45:23Z nyef: "If the burned hand teaches best then the entire scorched epidermis simply MUST get the message through." 2015-01-20T03:45:36Z zRecursive quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T03:45:51Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:54:49Z JokesOnYou77: It looks like pjb's readtable worked perfectly, at least for the example. How can I use minion to thank him/her? 2015-01-20T03:55:57Z beach: JokesOnYou77: minion: memo for pjb: thanks! 2015-01-20T03:56:02Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:56:49Z beach: JokesOnYou77: And don't forget the `:'. 2015-01-20T03:57:07Z JokesOnYou77: beach, ty! 2015-01-20T03:57:50Z scymtym joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:57:51Z protist joined #lisp 2015-01-20T03:57:52Z beach: JokesOnYou77: I suggest you do M-x define-global-abbrevtyThank you! 2015-01-20T03:58:08Z protist: why does this return 'BIT? (type-of (coerce (read-from-string "1") 'integer)) 2015-01-20T03:58:32Z beach: protist: Because the type BIT is the set {0,1} 2015-01-20T03:59:04Z JokesOnYou77: minion: memo for pjb: Thank you so much for the readtable example! I have never used readtables before and have limited experience with the reader and this not only solved my problem but was a great introduction to the topic. 2015-01-20T03:59:04Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell pjb when he/she/it next speaks. 2015-01-20T03:59:05Z protist: beach: well I am getting problems in my interpreter with > etc because of the 'bit type 2015-01-20T03:59:43Z beach: protist: I can't help you with your interpreter. The type BIT is perfectly normal. 2015-01-20T03:59:45Z protist: backupthrick: apparently 'bit is not considered numberp 2015-01-20T03:59:53Z ynniv joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:00:07Z protist: backupthrick: oh it is hmm 2015-01-20T04:00:17Z protist: backupthrick: yeah the rubber ducking is helping though, thanks :) 2015-01-20T04:00:45Z beach: protist: (subtypep 'bit 'number) => T T 2015-01-20T04:00:45Z guicho: ecl fails to load cffi... 2015-01-20T04:01:13Z beach: protist: Why are you talking to backupthrick? 2015-01-20T04:01:34Z protist: beach: accident the first time, then I got confused :p 2015-01-20T04:09:30Z itheos is now known as theos 2015-01-20T04:11:17Z JokesOnYou77 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T04:11:57Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T04:15:31Z zacharias_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:18:19Z ynniv quit (Quit: ynniv) 2015-01-20T04:18:42Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-20T04:18:52Z zRecursive quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T04:19:07Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:23:40Z LiamH left #lisp 2015-01-20T04:24:27Z H4ns is now known as Hans` 2015-01-20T04:24:36Z Hans`: k/msg nickserv 2015-01-20T04:24:47Z Hans` is now known as H4ns 2015-01-20T04:28:41Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T04:29:09Z Rptx joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:29:34Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2015-01-20T04:33:45Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T04:34:15Z Rptx joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:37:32Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T04:38:00Z Rptx joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:38:17Z BlueRavenGT quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-20T04:41:19Z theseb joined #lisp 2015-01-20T04:54:10Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T05:03:51Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-20T05:06:11Z bgs100 quit (Quit: bgs100) 2015-01-20T05:08:59Z capcar quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T05:13:50Z beach left #lisp 2015-01-20T05:16:15Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T05:16:46Z Rptx joined #lisp 2015-01-20T05:19:43Z arrdem quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-01-20T05:20:55Z Rptx quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T05:25:25Z cyphase joined #lisp 2015-01-20T05:25:49Z guicho quit (Quit: さようなら) 2015-01-20T05:30:59Z nyef quit (Quit: G'night all.) 2015-01-20T05:35:50Z vdamewood joined #lisp 2015-01-20T05:47:47Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T05:58:52Z frkout_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T05:59:55Z nell quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-01-20T06:01:16Z oleo__ quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-01-20T06:02:54Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:09:14Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T06:11:19Z Ragnaroek quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:13:42Z quazimodo: hullo 2015-01-20T06:14:31Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:14:47Z nand1 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:14:56Z pranavrc joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:14:56Z pranavrc quit (Changing host) 2015-01-20T06:14:56Z pranavrc joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:27:46Z Harag joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:29:49Z zacharias_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:32:17Z Jameser joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:41:28Z sdemarre joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:44:02Z eivindaa joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:46:03Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:46:27Z primafacie joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:46:28Z eivarv_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:47:09Z eivarv quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-20T06:49:35Z eivindaa quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:51:03Z pt1 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-20T06:54:01Z drmeister: Hey everyone 2015-01-20T06:55:18Z hiroakip joined #lisp 2015-01-20T06:55:50Z drmeister: I had a bad couple of days. 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The systems I use were installed with quicklisp. buildapp doesn't seem to find e.g. static-vectors for the compilation. I tried providing something like --asdf-path ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/installed/systems. Any idea how to get this working ? 2015-01-20T07:22:44Z jaimef: faster with buildapp? 2015-01-20T07:23:08Z jaimef: On delivery I always just load it explicitly 2015-01-20T07:23:12Z booly-yam-8846 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T07:28:37Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T07:34:59Z zacharias_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:35:03Z stardiviner joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:35:51Z stardiviner quit (Client Quit) 2015-01-20T07:37:14Z zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 2015-01-20T07:37:44Z Helapu joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:40:19Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-01-20T07:41:32Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:42:42Z zRecursive quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T07:47:04Z smokeink joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:51:44Z mishoo joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:54:50Z Beetny joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:56:18Z Vutral joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:56:26Z Ragnaroek joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:57:41Z badkins joined #lisp 2015-01-20T07:58:50Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-01-20T08:00:35Z d4ryus_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:02:51Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-01-20T08:04:27Z d4ryus quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-01-20T08:04:36Z mulk joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:05:22Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: execution stopped into perpetual vacuum) 2015-01-20T08:05:28Z mulk quit (Client Quit) 2015-01-20T08:07:09Z pacon joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:07:37Z mulk joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:11:04Z mrkkrp joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:11:56Z fikusz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T08:13:04Z 7YUAAFK6A is now known as pok 2015-01-20T08:13:09Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:14:11Z fikusz joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:14:42Z mulk quit (Quit: mulk) 2015-01-20T08:16:20Z mulk joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:16:53Z dim: paines: with buildapp I use those options: --asdf-tree $(QLDIR)/local-projects \ manifest-file $(MANIFEST) \ asdf-tree $(QLDIR)/dists \ asdf-path . \ 2015-01-20T08:17:17Z dim: mmm, some -- at the beginning of lines were damaged in the pasting 2015-01-20T08:17:52Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:21:20Z booly-yam-8846 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:21:59Z paines: dim: thanks, I get the idea 2015-01-20T08:22:03Z paines: i will try it 2015-01-20T08:22:50Z dim: the manifest file really helps to disambiguate some situations, and you can produce it with ql:write-asdf-manifest-file 2015-01-20T08:24:06Z paines: i see 2015-01-20T08:24:12Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T08:24:17Z MoALTz__ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:24:51Z dim: you can have a look at https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/blob/master/Makefile even if it's now on the complex side of things 2015-01-20T08:25:00Z Mon_Ouie joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:25:01Z Mon_Ouie quit (Changing host) 2015-01-20T08:25:01Z Mon_Ouie joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:25:54Z dim: it started quick&dirty but you actually need quite some smarts before it can be used flawlessly on any non-CL-hacker workstation 2015-01-20T08:26:12Z MoALTz__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-20T08:26:12Z dim: but at least QL makes that not only possible, but actually easy enough 2015-01-20T08:27:03Z MoALTz joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:27:14Z MoALTz_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-20T08:27:35Z angavrilov joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:28:07Z paines: :) 2015-01-20T08:28:17Z paines: thanks for clarifying some things 2015-01-20T08:29:11Z pacon quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T08:31:17Z zacts: hi 2015-01-20T08:31:23Z zacts: I <3 lisp 2015-01-20T08:33:14Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:34:26Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:35:07Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:37:34Z gingerale joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:37:47Z psy_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T08:40:49Z pacon joined #lisp 2015-01-20T08:45:33Z zacts: what is the name of the paper that introduced lisp? 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I will check that. thanks mate. I appreciate it 2015-01-20T10:43:13Z Ethan- joined #lisp 2015-01-20T10:46:02Z stepnem joined #lisp 2015-01-20T10:49:40Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-01-20T10:58:17Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:01:05Z booly-yam-8846 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:01:18Z d4ryus_ is now known as d4ryus 2015-01-20T11:02:57Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:03:25Z pjb: Hello! 2015-01-20T11:03:26Z minion: pjb, memo from JokesOnYou77: Thank you so much for the readtable example! I have never used readtables before and have limited experience with the reader and this not only solved my problem but was a great introduction to the topic. 2015-01-20T11:06:35Z smoking0 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:07:10Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:08:14Z smokeink quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:09:55Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:13:31Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:13:52Z leo2007 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:14:23Z ndrei joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:16:48Z echo-area quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T11:18:04Z urandom__ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:18:47Z taraz`` quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-20T11:28:00Z taraz`` joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:31:20Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T11:36:46Z booly-yam-8846 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:39:59Z devll joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:44:20Z gavilancomun joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:44:58Z nee joined #lisp 2015-01-20T11:45:53Z 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[I had just changed the APPLY #'EQUAL in MSL.TEST to APPLY #'EQUALP] 2015-01-20T16:09:54Z k-dawg quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-01-20T16:11:36Z kapil__ quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-01-20T16:12:12Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T16:12:15Z pjb: xyh: you may also want to design your own equality operator. Notice that: (equalp #("hello") #("HELLO")) --> T; this may be wanted or not. 2015-01-20T16:17:20Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:17:21Z xyh: pjb: thx, and your com/informatimago looks very interesting. 2015-01-20T16:17:52Z xyh: just found so many test-frameworks in common-lisp, I like this situation ^-^ 2015-01-20T16:21:51Z xyh: pjb: what test-framework you use? 2015-01-20T16:23:24Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T16:23:29Z theseb joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:23:45Z harish joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:27:21Z nee quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T16:33:09Z arenz quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T16:35:07Z paul0 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:37:30Z soggybread quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-01-20T16:40:58Z hoosieree joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:41:25Z scymtym joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:41:31Z protist quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-01-20T16:43:41Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-20T16:46:55Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:49:14Z gavilancomun quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]) 2015-01-20T16:50:14Z redeemed quit (Quit: q) 2015-01-20T16:50:46Z Adlai joined #lisp 2015-01-20T16:51:29Z jbkcc quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Thanks Shinmera 2015-01-20T17:55:05Z isoraqathedh_l joined #lisp 2015-01-20T17:55:26Z amaron joined #lisp 2015-01-20T17:55:53Z bloatify: and then coerce that list of pairs into a hash map? 2015-01-20T17:56:55Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-01-20T17:57:04Z Shinmera: I'm not bored enough to solve all your little exercises for you. 2015-01-20T17:57:31Z Bicyclidine: that one's trickier, you'll need to set the hash values and such 2015-01-20T17:57:44Z isoraqathedh quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T17:57:49Z bloatify: Shinmera: you don't have to respond 2015-01-20T17:57:53Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-20T17:57:54Z Shinmera: But I did. 2015-01-20T17:58:16Z White_Flame: bloatify: alexandria can convert between lists & hash maps 2015-01-20T17:58:19Z shka: bloatify: map 2015-01-20T17:58:48Z shka: and closure 2015-01-20T17:59:02Z bloatify: I'll google a bit. What do we call a list of pairs, again? (need good word for google purpose) 2015-01-20T17:59:10Z White_Flame: a-list 2015-01-20T17:59:24Z White_Flame: p-list is (key val key val ...) 2015-01-20T17:59:44Z shka: something like (mapcar (let ((index 0)) (lambda (x) (list x (incf index))) your-list) 2015-01-20T18:00:17Z shka: actually index first 2015-01-20T18:00:19Z hoosieree: some call pairs "tuples" 2015-01-20T18:00:23Z shka: but you see the point 2015-01-20T18:00:28Z ggole: Wouldn't you just create the table directly? 2015-01-20T18:00:56Z jlongster joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:01:13Z shka: bloatify: but it really sounds like you want to rather stick with hashtable 2015-01-20T18:01:21Z shka: that has better time complexity 2015-01-20T18:01:31Z ivan4th: interesting. Got Google interview invitation citing my github account as a reason for their interest. With most of my recent github activity being lisp-related :) 2015-01-20T18:01:39Z shka: or perhaps look for good avl library 2015-01-20T18:01:53Z shka: ivan4th: nice! :d 2015-01-20T18:01:56Z shka: *:D 2015-01-20T18:03:02Z White_Flame: I really need to get more stuff public. All my dev has been in-house 2015-01-20T18:03:05Z hitecnologys: ivan4th: happens. Got that too once. 2015-01-20T18:05:57Z ivan4th: hitecnologys: did you have an interview with them after that? 2015-01-20T18:06:15Z amaron: ivan4th: just headhunters, had those 2015-01-20T18:06:28Z hitecnologys: ivan4th: no, of course not. 2015-01-20T18:07:09Z amaron: ivan4th: i don't think they offer lisp jobs there 2015-01-20T18:07:58Z ivan4th: I don't think they do, either. Maybe they're just looking at the density of 'contributions' chart ;) 2015-01-20T18:08:16Z hitecnologys: They might, somewhere deep inside the company, but I don't think there are many Lisp developers there. 2015-01-20T18:08:34Z ivan4th: ITA 2015-01-20T18:08:41Z ski joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:08:51Z shka: hitecnologys: they have millions of line codes 2015-01-20T18:08:54Z shka: in common lisp 2015-01-20T18:10:09Z hitecnologys: shka: hmm. Any proof? 2015-01-20T18:10:35Z dlowe: I work at Google. Can confirm. 2015-01-20T18:10:47Z dlowe: well, maybe not *millions* 2015-01-20T18:11:00Z dlowe: hundreds of thousands, say 2015-01-20T18:11:00Z librapk: guys where can i start learning lisp from 2015-01-20T18:11:05Z shka: hitecnologys: they bought ITA, and they are not gonna rewrite everything 2015-01-20T18:11:05Z psy_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:11:18Z shka: librapk: practical common lisp! 2015-01-20T18:11:28Z shka: excelent book 2015-01-20T18:11:53Z amaron: dlowe: and you code in lisp for google? 2015-01-20T18:11:54Z librapk: and how can i install it on ubuntu 2015-01-20T18:11:58Z hitecnologys: shka, dlowe: I see. 2015-01-20T18:12:03Z Shinmera: librapk: Lots of places, but the usual recommendation if you already know some programming is PCL. 2015-01-20T18:12:18Z dlowe: amaron: I did, yeah 2015-01-20T18:12:33Z Shinmera: librapk: There's many implementations, of which the most usually recommended open source implementation is sbcl. It should be installable through your package manager. 2015-01-20T18:12:35Z dlowe: I'm out of travel/ITA now, so I just do lisp for all my hobby projcets now 2015-01-20T18:12:35Z Bicyclidine: librapk: sudo apt-get install sbcl or sudo apt-get install ccl, quicklisp.org 2015-01-20T18:12:46Z shka: hitecnologys: and maybe they actually realize that cl still holds any advantage 2015-01-20T18:12:59Z shka: especially for small teams 2015-01-20T18:13:06Z Bicyclidine: oh, i thought they had ccl 2015-01-20T18:13:06Z amaron: dlowe: at Mountain View? 2015-01-20T18:13:13Z dlowe: no, Cambridge, MA 2015-01-20T18:13:26Z librapk: found a torrent http://kickass.so/lisp-t6844959.html :) 2015-01-20T18:13:39Z shka: librapk: lol 2015-01-20T18:13:47Z shka: sudo apt-get install sbcl 2015-01-20T18:13:54Z shka: or something like this 2015-01-20T18:13:55Z Bicyclidine: pcl is free online, dawg 2015-01-20T18:14:08Z shka: and then install quicklisp, emacs and slime 2015-01-20T18:14:13Z shka: and rejoice 2015-01-20T18:14:19Z amaron: dlowe: do you use it still? 2015-01-20T18:14:43Z dlowe: amaron: Yes. I may have to ask for a lawyer if this interrogation continues. 2015-01-20T18:14:52Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:15:10Z amaron: dlowe: you have right to remain silent :) 2015-01-20T18:16:04Z akkad: amaron: you in Mountainview? 2015-01-20T18:16:19Z White_Flame: dlowe: Do you secretly use Bing as your default search engine internally? 2015-01-20T18:16:37Z White_Flame: I won't hear otherwise through lawyer-speak! 2015-01-20T18:17:01Z dlowe: I'm not sure Microsoft uses Bing internally. :p but I'd prefer to stay at least tangentially on-topic 2015-01-20T18:17:08Z amaron: akkad: no, few friends are, they are trying to convince me to work there, but they said: mostly c++, java and go 2015-01-20T18:18:15Z amaron: when I asked about lisp, they say no 2015-01-20T18:18:24Z JokesOnYou77 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:18:44Z dlowe: There's still some CL positions open in Cambridge, but only Cambridge, AFAIK. The hard part is getting in. 2015-01-20T18:20:02Z Davidbrcz joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:20:08Z Patzy quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:20:11Z mrkkrp left #lisp 2015-01-20T18:21:04Z Patzy joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:22:50Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:23:32Z isoraqathedh joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:24:44Z theseb quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T18:24:52Z ehu: Xach: around tonight? 2015-01-20T18:24:57Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:25:12Z qubitnerd joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:25:31Z Davidbrcz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:25:48Z isoraqathedh_l quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:26:00Z isoraqathedh_l joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:26:02Z Xach: ehu: Hi 2015-01-20T18:26:14Z ehu: Xach: hi! 2015-01-20T18:26:41Z ehu: you were very brief yesterday. wondering if you have a bit of time to (swiftly) shed light on the terse answer? 2015-01-20T18:27:03Z ehu: I mean, I'm not here to defend myself. rather to learn about the reasoning. 2015-01-20T18:27:10Z akkad: There are many CL jobs in Palo Alto. most followed by ojure 2015-01-20T18:27:12Z ehu: (myself or anybody else, that is) 2015-01-20T18:28:12Z Xach: ehu: It's a matter of trust, and a different kind of world. I trust that github will have a few dozen people making sure it works all the time, rather than just a few. 2015-01-20T18:28:14Z shka: man, i should work in lisp business instead of C++ 2015-01-20T18:28:26Z isoraqathedh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:28:39Z mishoo_ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:28:39Z Xach: ehu: When common-lisp.net was new, there weren't many other options other than hosting yourself. it made sense. it makes less sense now with the options that are available. 2015-01-20T18:28:55Z Xach: ehu: The purity of hosting with CL friends is not outweighed by the reliability and convenience of other options. 2015-01-20T18:29:02Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:29:14Z attila_lendvai quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-01-20T18:29:18Z attila_lendvai1 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:29:18Z attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 2015-01-20T18:29:18Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-01-20T18:29:18Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:30:59Z ehu: Xach: yea. I can see that. Myself, I still see a lot of value in collecting available resources (libraries and the like) in a single place easy to find for beginners. But I can understand your line of reasoning. 2015-01-20T18:31:45Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:32:10Z EvW joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:32:21Z ehu: unfortunately for me, there's not much I can do is take the service into 2015 (its current 2003 state) 2015-01-20T18:32:54Z ehu: (away from ...) 2015-01-20T18:33:53Z Xach: I think to be really useful, a starting point has to point to things hosted in a lot of different places 2015-01-20T18:37:09Z ehu: right. which would probably make it something between cliki.net, cl-user.net and common-lisp.net. 2015-01-20T18:37:22Z ehu: (a good starting point, that is) 2015-01-20T18:38:12Z librapk quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T18:38:32Z ehu: I'm looking around to figure out what would be the best way to fit common-lisp.net into the 2015 world, apart from its mailing lists which seem pretty well used. 2015-01-20T18:38:52Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:40:16Z pjb: bloatify: you cannot modify a literal list. '(1 2) cannot "become" '((1 0) (2 1)), but you can compute ((1 0) (2 1)) from the immutable literal (1 2). 2015-01-20T18:40:57Z pjb: bloatify: on the other hand, if you have a non-literal list, (1 2), for example, obtained by evaluating (list 1 2) (instead of evaluating '(1 2), which returns an immutable literal), you can use map-into to modify it. 2015-01-20T18:41:48Z pjb: (let ((l (list 1 2 3))) (map-into l (let ((i -1)) (lambda (x) (list x (incf i)))) l) l) --> ((1 0) (2 1) (3 2)) 2015-01-20T18:43:46Z taraz`` quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:44:35Z nightshade427 quit (Quit: bye) 2015-01-20T18:45:54Z tromey joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:46:39Z bloatify: how to write a literal string delimiter in a string? "\"" ? 2015-01-20T18:46:47Z Xach: bloatify: yes. 2015-01-20T18:46:56Z swedishfish joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:46:58Z Xach: ehu: good luck! 2015-01-20T18:49:06Z ev_______ joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:49:38Z Adlai quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T18:50:07Z Adlai joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:50:43Z JokesOnYou77: pjb, I wanted to thank you for your help the other day. The readtable code did just the trick. I ended up also defining a new data-munging function to the internal traversal of the expression that takes advantage of the definition of the parse tree: http://paste.lisp.org/display/145271#2 2015-01-20T18:51:11Z nightshade427 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:52:22Z pjb: JokesOnYou77: perhaps you could have a predefined list of "operators" which would take strings arguments. (if (member (first sexp) '(dt jjs nn rb vbn …)) (list (first sexp) (string (second sexp))) sexp) 2015-01-20T18:53:47Z raphaelss joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:54:07Z pjb: JokesOnYou77: for the recursive case, I would use car and cdr. (cons (car …) (cdr …)) ; alternatively, you could use list*: (list* (first …) (rest …)) list* can take more elements too: (list* (first …) (second …) (third …) (rest (rest (rest …)))) 2015-01-20T18:54:34Z JokesOnYou77: pjb, I thought of that first as well, and played around with it, but I thought that the recursive definition without any lookup table was cleaner as the grammar I'm parsing has a definition for a terminal node that means it only has one token and a Part Of Speech tag 2015-01-20T18:55:24Z JokesOnYou77: pjb, What's the difference between CAR and FIRST? (I think I asked a professor this once and got a big sigh) 2015-01-20T18:55:50Z Shinmera: Their names 2015-01-20T18:56:05Z pjb: car works on a cons cell. first works on a list. 2015-01-20T18:56:08Z Shinmera: CAR is used when you want to treat it as a cons cell, FIRST when you want to treat it as a list. 2015-01-20T18:56:08Z Xach: JokesOnYou77: one is used when the argument is treated as a tree or cons, the other when the argument is treated as a list. 2015-01-20T18:56:29Z Xach: It is for the reader's comprehension, not the computer's. 2015-01-20T18:57:45Z JokesOnYou77: Ok, then is there any advantage to why one over the other? Aside from personal style? (RE: "I would use car and cdr") 2015-01-20T18:57:49Z pjb: The thing is that sexps are lists of atoms or sexps. But (proper) lists are nil or cons of element and (proper) list. So you can consider sexps to be trees of cons cells and atoms. When using (cons (car …) (cdr …)) in the recursive case, you consider the sexp as a tree of cons, instead of a list of sexps. 2015-01-20T18:58:00Z Bicyclidine: JokesOnYou77: just makes it easier to read. 2015-01-20T18:58:19Z Xach: JokesOnYou77: using them as I said makes it easier to understand the intention of the code. 2015-01-20T18:58:22Z xyh quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-20T18:58:25Z ev_______ quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-01-20T18:58:36Z Xach: It results in the same activity underneath. 2015-01-20T18:58:43Z pjb: If you would stay at the list level, you would write instead: (mapcar (function munger) sexp). 2015-01-20T18:58:53Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2015-01-20T18:59:11Z JokesOnYou77: Ok, so knowing that CAR/CDR are acting on cons cells lets you be a bit more expressive, that makes sense. 2015-01-20T18:59:14Z pjb: It would probably be better for the stack usage too! 2015-01-20T18:59:38Z pjb: JokesOnYou77: I wouldn't say more expressive, but rather lower level. 2015-01-20T19:00:04Z xyh joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:01:04Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:02:21Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(Yes, I know EVAL is bad, but this may be a perfect case for it) 2015-01-20T19:06:19Z mishoo_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:06:43Z intinig quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T19:07:51Z ggole quit 2015-01-20T19:08:54Z ehu: Xach: thanks :-) 2015-01-20T19:09:56Z theseb joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:10:03Z capcar quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2015-01-20T19:10:18Z Vivitron joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:10:50Z JokesOnYou77 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T19:14:22Z JokesOnYou77 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:14:42Z JokesOnYou77: Hello again. LAptop died for a second :P 2015-01-20T19:15:20Z pnpuff joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:21:45Z eazar001 left #lisp 2015-01-20T19:22:22Z eazar001 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:26:23Z isoraqathedh joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:28:51Z ndrei joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:29:37Z isoraqathedh_l quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:31:24Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T19:32:45Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:34:57Z nand1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T19:35:14Z ferada: Does any of the utility libraries have an implementation of EXCL:IF* (from ACL)? 2015-01-20T19:35:51Z isoraqathedh_l joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:36:13Z Xach: ferada: I don't remember any like that, but maybe something like acl-compat does. 2015-01-20T19:37:02Z Xach: yes, acl-compat has it. 2015-01-20T19:37:38Z Xach: hmm, it seems like M-. is interning symbols in the current package. 2015-01-20T19:37:41Z ferada: Xach: great, cheers! 2015-01-20T19:37:57Z Xach: ferada: out of curiosity, why are you looking for such a thing? 2015-01-20T19:38:18Z isoraqathedh quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:39:43Z ferada: Xach: i want to see if i can port a bittorrent client which relies pretty heavily on those constructs, https://github.com/dancysoft/bittorrent 2015-01-20T19:39:51Z Xach: ah 2015-01-20T19:39:55Z ferada: better than writing it myself 2015-01-20T19:40:28Z Xach: dancysoft works for franz 2015-01-20T19:40:47Z ferada: ah good to know 2015-01-20T19:41:41Z pnpuff left #lisp 2015-01-20T19:42:31Z sdemarre joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:43:26Z ivan4th: a piece of code produced by some real COND-haters 2015-01-20T19:44:44Z Ragnaroek joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:45:29Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:45:42Z JuanDaugherty quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:47:04Z gabriel_laddel joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:47:59Z PaulCapestany quit 2015-01-20T19:50:01Z Adlai quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-20T19:50:32Z Adlai joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:50:44Z PaulCapestany joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:50:58Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:51:13Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T19:52:22Z isoraqathedh joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:53:18Z PaulCapestany quit (Client Quit) 2015-01-20T19:53:24Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-01-20T19:54:32Z jbkcc quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Questions of license aside, do you think it's feasible to separate that part from the rest of the modules? 2015-01-20T21:10:34Z francogrex: s/separate/standalone 2015-01-20T21:10:57Z raphaelss joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:11:41Z Bicyclidine: "(defvar cormanlisp::*compiler-code-buffer* (symbol-value 'cormanlisp::*compiler-code-buffer*)) what the... 2015-01-20T21:11:59Z Petit_Dejeuner joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:12:06Z Xach: francogrex: tangent: have you looked at the movitz assembler? 2015-01-20T21:12:54Z vdamewood joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:13:34Z francogrex: Xach: yes I have gotten it also, it's fine - several instructions were missing but was easily extensible 2015-01-20T21:13:56Z francogrex: it was called ia-x86 I think 2015-01-20T21:14:42Z Bicyclidine: none of this code seems particularly corman specific except for the dynamic buffer variable thing 2015-01-20T21:15:02Z sheilong quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-01-20T21:15:38Z francogrex: but I like the defasm 'syntax' of corman, I think it is also quite complete in terms of instructions 2015-01-20T21:16:12Z francogrex: Bicyclidine: the (uref .. etc 2015-01-20T21:16:51Z francogrex: I will give it a try 2015-01-20T21:17:11Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T21:17:47Z Bicyclidine: searching finds cl::uref, now that's mysterious 2015-01-20T21:18:04Z Bicyclidine: i'm guessing unsigned byte ref, anyway 2015-01-20T21:18:20Z hrs quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 2015-01-20T21:19:19Z xyh: who is writing assembler ? 2015-01-20T21:19:25Z francogrex: cl is not our cl, I think it's short for corman lisp package? strange 2015-01-20T21:19:50Z francogrex: nobody it's already written it's corman's 2015-01-20T21:20:11Z Bicyclidine: iirc the cl package can have any symbols it wants as long as only the standard ones are exported. 2015-01-20T21:20:52Z Bicyclidine: "The COMMON-LISP package can have additional internal symbols. " yeah there we go. 2015-01-20T21:21:00Z francogrex: ok 2015-01-20T21:21:13Z Petit_Dejeuner quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-20T21:21:19Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-20T21:21:36Z Petit_Dejeuner joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:22:29Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-20T21:22:33Z resttime joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:22:45Z jdz joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:24:01Z profess quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-20T21:24:50Z alesguzik joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:25:22Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-20T21:25:39Z hardenedapple quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.1) 2015-01-20T21:29:16Z BRPocock: uvector/uref described in the docs Chapter 21/p.121 … sort of a union type for all tagged data types >29 bits long. 2015-01-20T21:30:35Z profess joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:32:48Z francogrex: BRPocock: yes i think that needs to be tackled, the rest seems quite independant/straightforward 2015-01-20T21:34:45Z isoraqathedh_l joined #lisp 2015-01-20T21:35:58Z BRPocock: Icky 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