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2014-11-22T00:51:00Z FrostyX: Please can you give me an advice? Is it possible to load source file or even better just defined variable from that source file into let or some new environment to dont mess the global environment ? Thank you guys
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2014-11-22T01:17:03Z pjb: FrostyX: you can define a package and define your variables in that personal package, to avoid messing with the global environment.
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2014-11-22T01:24:48Z FrostyX: pjb: So way that I wanted is not possible?
2014-11-22T01:27:41Z Bike: loaded files can do arbitrary side effects. so no. not with cl:load and all, anyway.
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2014-11-22T03:19:05Z adhok: hey all
2014-11-22T03:19:17Z adhok: I'm having an issue with wrapping my head around recursion in lisp
2014-11-22T03:21:05Z nyef: Do you understand recursion in other contexts, such as mathematics or another programming language?
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2014-11-22T03:22:05Z adhok: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144444 is my paste, (this is for a HW assignment so if you don't feel like helping me out that's fine, I understand.)  I make a random list of colors, and pass that back to the candy machine function.  when I run (get-candy *gummy-bears*) I get an error "FUNCALL: undefined function BROWN" so I assume that what I really should be passing to the candy-machine function is another function itself.
2014-11-22T03:22:21Z adhok: nyef: ya in c/c++ python etc.
2014-11-22T03:22:34Z adhok: clisp is just a bit alien to me
2014-11-22T03:22:57Z nyef: You're using GNU clisp?
2014-11-22T03:23:01Z adhok: ya
2014-11-22T03:23:11Z nyef: Odd choice of implementation.
2014-11-22T03:25:11Z nyef: Hrm. In GENERATE-CANDY-SUPPLY, consider (loop for i below num collecting (nth (random 5) *colors*)) instead of your existing SETQ and LOOP forms.
2014-11-22T03:25:22Z adhok: ya I do procedural programming constantly for work, so this is a bit odd for me
2014-11-22T03:25:34Z nyef: (SETQ modifies global variables, it doesn't establish local variables.)
2014-11-22T03:25:56Z adhok: ok
2014-11-22T03:26:13Z nyef: Umm... And this isn't a recursion problem at all.
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2014-11-22T03:26:25Z nyef: Your CANDY-MACHINE function should be returning a function, though.
2014-11-22T03:32:05Z nyef: If you want a further hint and something to experiment with, consider (defun incrementor (base) (lambda () (setf base (1+ base)))). Call it, passing a number, and it returns a function. Call that function repeatedly, and you get successive numbers as the results.
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2014-11-22T03:32:51Z adhok: k I'll experiment with that, thanks!
2014-11-22T03:33:39Z nyef: The overall design is a bit odd, but given that it's a homework problem that's at least partly understandable.
2014-11-22T03:35:44Z nyef: Good luck!
2014-11-22T03:35:55Z adhok: thanks :)
2014-11-22T03:36:24Z nyef: (Ugh, actually being helpful on a homework problem? I must be going soft in my old age...)
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2014-11-22T05:38:47Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2014-11-22T05:58:33Z drmeister: Good morning beach - what is the function to render HIR.  I found Code/Cleavir/Intermediate-representation/HIR/graphviz-drawing.lisp but I don't see a function that takes HIR and renders it.
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2014-11-22T06:03:37Z drmeister: Is it draw-instruction?  Because the HIR that is returned from compile-toplevel is an instruction.
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2014-11-22T06:47:36Z beach: drmeister: If you look in Intermediate-representation/packages.lisp you will see that DRAW-FLOWCHART is the only symbol exported from the CLEAVIR-IR-GRAPHVIZ package.
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2014-11-22T09:50:27Z kuanyui: Does Lisp has any built-in function can use #'equal to tell "if a list contain something?" (member (list 0 0) '((0 0) (0 1) (0 2))) this return NIL... it seems to use #'eq to compare elements.
2014-11-22T09:54:42Z |3b|: clhs member
2014-11-22T09:54:43Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_member.htm
2014-11-22T09:55:04Z |3b|: see the :test argument
2014-11-22T09:55:26Z |3b|: (and tests default to EQL unless otherwise specified, so shouldn't be EQ)
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2014-11-22T09:58:47Z kuanyui: |3b|: thanks!
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2014-11-22T10:51:46Z shka: hi all
2014-11-22T10:51:58Z beach: Hello shka.
2014-11-22T10:52:06Z shka: why lparallel is using vector as a queue?
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2014-11-22T10:53:07Z beach: shka: I don't know, but it is standard practice to use a vector as a circular queue.  It is more efficient that a list.
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2014-11-22T10:57:54Z shka: i don't know if it is case here
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2014-11-22T11:41:24Z jasom: beach: depends on the workload; you could get into reallocation thrashing in the worst-case
2014-11-22T11:41:37Z beach: Nah.
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2014-11-22T11:42:21Z beach: You decrease the size by half when it's less than 25% full and double the size when it's full.
2014-11-22T11:43:07Z beach: The amortized complexity is still O(1).
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2014-11-22T11:44:08Z jasom: if you had a workload that went between N and 2N+1 I would bet it's slower than a list (though it depends greatly on how the GC handles things)
2014-11-22T11:44:41Z beach: For any N?
2014-11-22T11:45:57Z beach: I am willing to write code to test the hypotheses if you want.
2014-11-22T11:45:57Z jasom: for an N that happens to be a doubling point
2014-11-22T11:46:23Z beach: OK, so initially the size of the vector is N-1?
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2014-11-22T11:47:23Z jasom: where you start is irrelevant, but if it doubles at 2N+1 then it will halve at N
2014-11-22T11:47:33Z beach: No.
2014-11-22T11:47:47Z beach: Because you only halve it when it is 25% full.
2014-11-22T11:47:53Z beach: Not when it's half full.
2014-11-22T11:47:56Z jasom: 2N+1 doubles in size to 4N
2014-11-22T11:48:01Z beach: Oh, I see.
2014-11-22T11:48:02Z beach: OK.
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2014-11-22T11:48:47Z beach: And the worst case is if it goes from N to 2N+1 and then back, right?
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2014-11-22T11:49:03Z jasom: of course if the CONSes make it out of the first generation you lose big time with the list implementation
2014-11-22T11:49:06Z jasom: right
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2014-11-22T12:05:53Z beach: I get "heap exhausted" and I can't figure out why.  I guess I had better do this later when I have had more sleep.
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2014-11-22T12:12:51Z jasom: speaking of which, I'm going to bed
2014-11-22T12:13:37Z beach: OK, we'll discuss this some other time.
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2014-11-22T12:22:58Z beach: I get "heap exhausted"  when I execute (cycle *q* 100000 1000) : http://paste.lisp.org/+33GD
2014-11-22T12:23:33Z beach: SBCL 1.2.5 AMD64 Linux.
2014-11-22T12:23:49Z beach: I don't understand why.
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2014-11-22T12:30:11Z Shinmera: beach: I'm not sure either. I wrote a working miniqueue implementation some time ago, which seems to pass your test. http://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/7C
2014-11-22T12:31:25Z beach: Very similar code except I use a sentinel and you don't.
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2014-11-22T12:33:07Z |3b|: beach: may be hitting sbcl conservative gc?
2014-11-22T12:33:28Z beach: Hmm.
2014-11-22T12:34:04Z |3b|: though i guess that shouldn't be enough on its own
2014-11-22T12:34:13Z beach: I am not using any stack.
2014-11-22T12:34:28Z beach: Oh, but I guess it's enough that the first value is on the stack.
2014-11-22T12:34:49Z beach: Hold on.  I'll rewrite it so that its sets the CDR of the popped cell to NIL.
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2014-11-22T12:35:27Z |3b|: sb-concurrency's  queue had that problem, and breaking up the links on dequeue fixed it, so might help
2014-11-22T12:36:20Z |3b| isn't sure if it is conservatism or actual pointers that just aren't (or shouldn't be) live any more
2014-11-22T12:37:09Z beach: That fixed it.
2014-11-22T12:37:44Z beach: Thanks |3b|.
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2014-11-22T12:40:27Z ggole: Looks like this can lose elements?
2014-11-22T12:40:40Z ggole: Guess it doesn't matter if it's just a test.
2014-11-22T12:41:08Z beach: Yeah, I don't check for the empty queue.  It is empty when there is a single element in the list.
2014-11-22T12:42:34Z beach: And it needs to shuffle so that the sentinel is always the last element.
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2014-11-22T13:10:48Z hardenedapple: Hello, I'm getting an error and was hoping someone could help -- the code is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/144446
2014-11-22T13:10:48Z minion: hardenedapple, memo from pjb: you can step the macro-function: (step (funcall (macro-function 'cond) '(cond ((= 1 a) 'yes) ((= 2 b) 'no) (t 'hi)) nil))
2014-11-22T13:11:37Z hardenedapple: the gist of the problem is that I sometimes get an error when calling a function with greater than 8192 arguments, never with less than that, and changing the arguments passed doesn't seem to do anything.
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2014-11-22T13:13:13Z hardenedapple: Also, that wasn't the best buffer to paste -- I'll put a better one up
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2014-11-22T13:13:20Z beach: hardenedapple: What is the value of CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT in the implementation you use?
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2014-11-22T13:14:11Z beach: It could be as low as 50, so it's a bad idea to pass more arguments than that if you want your code to work on several systems.
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2014-11-22T13:15:24Z hardenedapple: I didn't know there was such a thing -- I'll check when my emacs has unfrozen
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2014-11-22T13:16:06Z ggole: Do you really need to use &rest there?
2014-11-22T13:16:10Z beach: Also, you are calling NTH in a loop.  That means you traverse the list each time.
2014-11-22T13:16:52Z ggole: If this is the entire code, it seems you could just remove apply and &rest and use one argument that is a list.
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2014-11-22T13:19:56Z hardenedapple: It's not the entire code, I was just trying stuff out -- making multiple different implementations to test the performance characteristics -- mainly with calling NTH actually, each function does the same thing differently
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2014-11-22T13:20:46Z hardenedapple: The better paste is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/144448 , and the value of CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT is 4611686018427387903
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2014-11-22T13:21:23Z |3b|: does strength affect HP?
2014-11-22T13:21:30Z |3b|: oops, wrong channel :p
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2014-11-22T13:25:35Z hardenedapple: I'm not actually trying to get anything done -- I was just playing around with the language and came across something that confused me
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2014-11-22T13:29:03Z |3b|: if that is sbcl, some of the *-limits constants re higher than the actual limits
2014-11-22T13:29:47Z hardenedapple: |3b|: it is SBCL -- how would I check if that's the case?
2014-11-22T13:31:19Z |3b|: the actual limits are implicit in the code, so hard to check specifics
2014-11-22T13:31:32Z |3b|: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/309096
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2014-11-22T13:38:05Z nowhere_man: hi all
2014-11-22T13:38:13Z hardenedapple: OK, so it's possible that something is limiting the number of arguments I can pass to 8192, and whenever I go past that number I could get an error or not, as the consequences of unaccounted for behaviour are random?
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2014-11-22T13:40:11Z |3b| would describe it as the implementation being buggy in that case, but yes
2014-11-22T13:41:02Z |3b|: if you have good reason for passing thousands of arguments, file a bug report (though the fix may be to just lower call-arguments-limit)
2014-11-22T13:41:47Z nowhere_man: after upgrading my workstation to the latest SBCL, I did the same on my laptop and now SBCL can't load sb-rotate-byte
2014-11-22T13:42:11Z nowhere_man: "don't know how to REQUIRE sb-rotate-byte"
2014-11-22T13:42:42Z Shinmera: nowhere_man: I'm on SBCL 1.2.5 and I can require sb-rotate-byte just fine.
2014-11-22T13:42:52Z nowhere_man: The contrib module is there in /usr/lib/sbcl/contrib
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2014-11-22T13:43:00Z Xach: nowhere_man: that's a symptom of an incomplete install. are you able to require other sbcl contribs?
2014-11-22T13:43:26Z Xach: (it's a symptom of other things, too)
2014-11-22T13:44:00Z hardenedapple: I have no reason whatsoever to pass that number of arguments, it's just playing for play's sake, so I'll just try and make sure that's what's happening to satisfy my curiosity, and leave it at that.
2014-11-22T13:44:04Z nowhere_man: Xach: right, I can't require those that aren't already loaded (sb-posix works, sb-queue doesn't)
2014-11-22T13:44:21Z Xach: nowhere_man: what do you get from (sb-int:sbcl-homedir-pathname)?
2014-11-22T13:44:42Z nowhere_man: haha, NIL
2014-11-22T13:45:16Z Xach: I don't know the best fix, but one possible fix is setting SBCL_HOME before starting sbcl. I never have to do that, so I'm sure there's something nicer to fix it.
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2014-11-22T13:57:24Z nowhere_man: ok, the problem is with my custom image
2014-11-22T13:57:46Z nowhere_man: I create an image with swank and a few other systems preloaded
2014-11-22T13:58:00Z nowhere_man: but /usr/bin/sbcl works fine, though
2014-11-22T13:58:28Z nowhere_man: and `SBCL_HOME=/usr/lib/sbcl ~/bin/sbcl` doesn't
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2014-11-22T14:00:25Z nowhere_man: what is weird here is that it all works fine on my workstation, and I just synced the two so I use the same lisp file to generate a new lisp executable
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2014-11-22T14:13:43Z nydel: a way to go about pulling input from keyboard through some stream, but such as the characters/strings are not visible while being entered, as a password entered at login through terminal ?
2014-11-22T14:15:05Z _death: trivial-raw-io
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2014-11-22T14:20:55Z beach: drmeister: Around?
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2014-11-22T14:24:23Z nydel: _death: thankyou, very good
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2014-11-22T14:42:19Z nowhere_man: http://paste.lisp.org/+33GH
2014-11-22T14:42:42Z nowhere_man: I think I've found a bug in SBCL, could anyone try these two lines to check?
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2014-11-22T14:43:20Z Xach: Oh, that's no bug.
2014-11-22T14:43:24Z nowhere_man: I know in the past SBCL has had this issue
2014-11-22T14:43:37Z nowhere_man: it's a feature? :-)
2014-11-22T14:43:41Z Xach: When you save your own image, you have to configure it to find what you want after restarting.
2014-11-22T14:44:05Z nowhere_man: ha, I didn't up until now...
2014-11-22T14:44:10Z Xach: I think it might even be documented.
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2014-11-22T14:46:28Z Xach: Hmm, I could be way off. I'll have to look it up. My conviction is now weak on the topic.
2014-11-22T14:46:44Z Xach: I think it could be rationalized either way.
2014-11-22T14:46:54Z Xach: But I don't know the intended behavior with confidence.
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2014-11-22T14:47:01Z nowhere_man: the doc on save-lisp-and-die doesn't say anything
2014-11-22T14:47:27Z nowhere_man: how should I tell SBCL its home from within (not with a shell environment variable)?
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2014-11-22T14:49:34Z Xach: I think that might actually be the way, e.g. sb-posix:setenv
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2014-11-22T14:52:11Z drmeister: beach: Yes, I'm around
2014-11-22T14:53:06Z beach: drmeister: I just wanted to let you know that I rewrote the code for parsing lambda expressions.
2014-11-22T14:53:20Z drmeister: I generated some HIR last night - I dug around but couldn't find a function analogous to cleavir-ast-graphviz:draw-ast  for HIR.  Although I didn't look too hard because I was having laptop problems still.
2014-11-22T14:53:33Z beach: drmeister: I haven't written a test suite for it yet, and I see some strange things in the ASTs, but most of it should be working.
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2014-11-22T14:53:49Z beach: DRAW-FLOWCHART.
2014-11-22T14:54:00Z drmeister: Ok.
2014-11-22T14:54:00Z beach: it is the only exported symbol from the graphviz package.
2014-11-22T14:54:45Z beach: About the UNWIND problem you have.
2014-11-22T14:55:03Z beach: If I tell you how to translate the HIR back to Common Lisp, can you figure out what to do?
2014-11-22T14:55:04Z drmeister: cleavir-ir-graphviz:draw-flowchart - got it.
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2014-11-22T14:55:52Z drmeister: That would be helpful.  But I think I figured out the UNWIND instruction after a few days of chewing on it.
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2014-11-22T14:56:29Z beach: OK.  Otherwise, think of each instruction as being preceded by a TAGBODY tag, and each transfer to an instruction to be a GO.
2014-11-22T14:56:47Z drmeister: I haven't quite got the details of how the landing pads will be chained together (how multiple UNWINDS interact) but I can see how to do single UNWINDs.
2014-11-22T14:57:12Z nowhere_man: Xach: adding the setenv call to .sbclrc worked, thanks a lot
2014-11-22T14:57:54Z beach: drmeister: I am thinking that since you know what to do now (without HIR) for all of Common Lisp, if I can show you how to translate HIR to Common Lisp, then you should be able to figure it out easily.
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2014-11-22T15:08:58Z drmeister: That would be very helpful.
2014-11-22T15:10:13Z beach: So, basically, each function is a big TAGBODY with a tag for each instruction.
2014-11-22T15:10:14Z drmeister: Because, yes - I know how to translate Common Lisp into LLVM-IR and if you can provide HIR->Common Lisp then it would be helpful.   I see directories that sound like that's one thing you are working on.
2014-11-22T15:10:31Z drmeister: Got it.
2014-11-22T15:10:32Z beach: Right.
2014-11-22T15:11:34Z beach: My next thing is to translate HIR to Common Lisp, but contrary to what I did before, this time it will use my own dynamic environment at runtime, as opposed to the host dynamic environment.
2014-11-22T15:12:12Z drmeister: So the UNWIND is like a GOTO?
2014-11-22T15:12:14Z beach: It will be like a SICL system that uses the data types of the host, but the first-class global environment of SICL.
2014-11-22T15:12:21Z beach: Yes, unwind is a GO.
2014-11-22T15:12:30Z beach: From an inner function to an outer function.
2014-11-22T15:12:38Z drmeister: GO - right.  CL, not C/C++
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2014-11-22T15:13:14Z drmeister: There's UNWINDing done as well
2014-11-22T15:13:43Z beach: What do you mean?
2014-11-22T15:17:44Z drmeister: What else is the UNWIND instruction expected to do?   I know it has to unwind the stack. Some objects I have have destructors that need to be called as the stack unwinds.  That's my problem to figure out what they are - correct?
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2014-11-22T15:18:17Z beach: It does whatever the Common Lisp GO does if its target tag is in an outer function.
2014-11-22T15:18:39Z beach: So just try to remember how you implemented that, and do the same thing.
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2014-11-22T15:23:10Z drmeister: When I implement the GO, I have the lexical environments in hand and they contain information about what needs to be unwound to get up to a label in an outer TAGBODY.
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2014-11-22T15:23:24Z beach: There you go.
2014-11-22T15:23:45Z drmeister: When I have the HIR - I won't have any environments or will I?
2014-11-22T15:24:08Z beach: Where would you otherwise store your variables?
2014-11-22T15:24:51Z drmeister: This is something that still puzzles me.    I'll have to sit down and start writing the code before I figure this out.
2014-11-22T15:25:35Z beach: You need a lexical runtime environment for lexical values.  It is partly on the stack, party in registers and partly on the heap.
2014-11-22T15:25:47Z drmeister: That's why I'm trying to get some HIR generated from my code.
2014-11-22T15:26:12Z beach: And you need a dynamic runtime environment for CATCH tags, bindings of dynamic variables, and unwind-protects.
2014-11-22T15:29:03Z drmeister: I expect I'll be using the lexical runtime environment and dynamic runtime environment that I already have.
2014-11-22T15:29:47Z beach: Except that I think we agreed that part of your performance problem comes from allocating all variables on the heap.
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2014-11-22T15:30:57Z drmeister: I have stack based activation frames, I just don't use them for much.  I never had the escape analysis to figure out what could go into them.
2014-11-22T15:31:25Z beach: Right.  So with HIR you will be able to use automatic variables for most Common Lisp variables.
2014-11-22T15:32:14Z beach: I need to rewrite the escape analysis though, so don't try it yet.
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2014-11-22T15:32:23Z drmeister: And I have to figure out how to get registers into this.  It's something to do with using individual alloca's for stack based bindings and running the mem2reg optimization pass.
2014-11-22T15:33:18Z drmeister: That is the recommended way to write LLVM-IR code.   The LLVM designers did not expect compiler writers to explicitly set up PHI nodes.
2014-11-22T15:34:00Z beach: That's good I guess, because it is messy to do.
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2014-11-22T15:36:11Z Nilby`: Suprising CCL bug of the day: (format t "~3,vf~%" 23.123 1)
2014-11-22T15:36:33Z drmeister: I know.  In my argument restructuring code I used a lot of PHI nodes.
2014-11-22T15:38:17Z drmeister: For a few hours I achieved a level of near superhuman focus when I wrote it.   I barely understand it now.
2014-11-22T15:39:25Z drmeister: You know what I mean.
2014-11-22T15:39:34Z wasamasa: writing code is easier than reading it
2014-11-22T15:39:59Z beach: drmeister: Yes, I see what you mean.
2014-11-22T15:40:39Z beach: But I don't know the purpose of argument restructuring, so I don't know what you need the φ nodes for.
2014-11-22T15:43:48Z drmeister: Passing arguments to a function and the function has to handle &optional, &key, &aux and fill in init-forms etc.
2014-11-22T15:44:11Z beach: wasamasa: That is why I litter my code with comments these days.  With my bad memory, I couldn't understand my own code a few days after having written it if I didn't do that.
2014-11-22T15:44:37Z beach: drmeister: Heh, that's exactly the code I wrote yesterday and today!
2014-11-22T15:45:08Z beach: ... and deciding whether a variable is lexical or special
2014-11-22T15:47:19Z drmeister: Exactly.
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2014-11-22T15:49:32Z drmeister: beach: You are writing that in Common Lisp and it will be generated for every function - is that correct?
2014-11-22T15:49:43Z beach: I still don't see where φ-nodes come in though.
2014-11-22T15:49:53Z beach: Yes.
2014-11-22T15:49:59Z beach: You wrote yours in C++?
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2014-11-22T15:58:18Z rszeno: somebody know if there is any irc channel for maxima?
2014-11-22T15:58:37Z drmeister: beach: Not quite.  I wrote mine in Common Lisp that generates LLVM-IR.
2014-11-22T15:59:11Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/34jfAx0I
2014-11-22T15:59:24Z drmeister: That's the code that handles keyword arguments
2014-11-22T15:59:33Z loke_: ARGH!
2014-11-22T15:59:37Z loke_: My eyes are bleeding!
2014-11-22T15:59:43Z loke_: My mind is melting!
2014-11-22T16:00:00Z loke_: A human did not write that code
2014-11-22T16:00:16Z drmeister: You flatter me good sir.
2014-11-22T16:01:18Z loke_: But seriously. The amount of knowledge about a crazy number of things required to create that thing is kinda boggling
2014-11-22T16:01:27Z drmeister: It's Common Lisp that calls the LLVM API that generates LLVM-IR directly.
2014-11-22T16:01:53Z loke_: and of course, calls to CADDR and CDDDR in the same let-block. :-)
2014-11-22T16:02:49Z drmeister: You should see my exception handling code.
2014-11-22T16:02:52Z beach: drmeister: You might consider using DESTRUCTURING-BIND for such cases.
2014-11-22T16:03:01Z loke_: drmeister: show it
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2014-11-22T16:03:48Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Y86XgHAN
2014-11-22T16:04:08Z drmeister: It's a CL macro that generates CL code that calls the LLVM API to generate LLVM-IR.
2014-11-22T16:04:26Z beach: Hmm, commented-out forms.
2014-11-22T16:04:27Z loke_: drmeister: But of course. Anything else would have been too easy
2014-11-22T16:05:12Z loke_: drmeister: What's the performance of your CL by the way?
2014-11-22T16:05:12Z drmeister: Yeah and it contains dead code - it needs some cleanup.
2014-11-22T16:05:27Z rtoym: rszeno: #maxima
2014-11-22T16:05:40Z beach: .. and ")" preceded by whitespace.
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2014-11-22T16:05:50Z drmeister: It's about 100x slower than SBCL - that's what I'm working on.
2014-11-22T16:06:05Z rszeno: rtoym, thank you very much, :)
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2014-11-22T16:07:02Z drmeister: This stuff is not the problem.  It generates LLVM-IR code that is at the limit of efficiency.
2014-11-22T16:07:20Z rtoym: rszeno: The maxima mailing list is probably a better resource, though. #maxima is sparsely populated.
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2014-11-22T16:08:09Z rszeno: i'm on the lists, buggs and disscuss but is probably something wrong, :)
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2014-11-22T16:12:39Z ggole: drmeister: upper or lower limit?
2014-11-22T16:12:42Z ggole: :)
2014-11-22T16:13:15Z drmeister: I don't know.  Not fast enough for me.
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2014-11-22T16:14:25Z Shinmera: Anyone got something neat to show of their current project/s?
2014-11-22T16:14:37Z Shinmera: All I got is rendering problems and I need to take my mind off of that for a while.
2014-11-22T16:15:46Z Xach: i am working on making nicer html reports of quicklisp dist build failures. these plain text logs are hard to navigate. not neat, only useful.
2014-11-22T16:16:21Z Shinmera: Reminds me that I should make a nicer template for my documentation pages too..
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2014-11-22T16:17:53Z Shinmera also just had an idea for a github API lib so one could automatically generate issue tickets or the like.
2014-11-22T16:18:24Z Xach: I use the json read-only api a bit to automate quicklisp-projects updates
2014-11-22T16:18:44Z Xach: It would be nice to have something so I can update the canbuild/cantbuild labels.
2014-11-22T16:19:11Z Shinmera puts a github api client onto the todo for now
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2014-11-22T16:33:18Z beach: Shinmera: Do my updated HIR examples count as distraction: http://metamodular.com/HIR-Examples/index.html
2014-11-22T16:37:29Z beach didn't think so.
2014-11-22T16:37:39Z Shinmera: I'm still reading!
2014-11-22T16:37:52Z beach: Oh!  The pictures are more fun than the text.
2014-11-22T16:37:58Z Shinmera: well yes, that's what I meant
2014-11-22T16:38:02Z Shinmera: I'm trying to make sense of it
2014-11-22T16:44:18Z Shinmera has been sufficiently distracted
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2014-11-22T16:56:36Z drmeister: beach: In /Code/Cleavir/Intermediate-representation/HIR  there is no packages.lisp file.
2014-11-22T16:57:00Z drmeister: Which system do you recommend using?   cleavir-hir.asd or cleavir-ir.asd?
2014-11-22T16:57:02Z beach: Right, it is in /Code/Cleavir/Intermediate-representation
2014-11-22T16:57:14Z beach: You need both.
2014-11-22T16:57:24Z beach: I think the HIR system depends on the IR system
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2014-11-22T16:58:21Z drmeister: So I would only need to (asdf:load-system :cleavir-hir) - correct?
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2014-11-22T16:58:29Z beach: Right.
2014-11-22T16:58:45Z beach: or even cleavir-ast-to-hir
2014-11-22T16:58:53Z beach: It depends on the hir system.
2014-11-22T16:59:09Z drmeister: Oh - I have that one already
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2014-11-22T16:59:45Z beach: It kind of makes sense to need the HIR system in order to translate an AST to HIR.
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2014-11-22T17:05:22Z drmeister: No problem, I'm still learning to navigate your directories and systems.
2014-11-22T17:06:29Z beach: It might not be optimal right now.  I am open to suggestions for improvement.
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2014-11-22T17:56:14Z Shinmera: I've made some exciting progress on Parasol. It now looks like this: http://shinmera.tymoon.eu/public/screenshot-2014.11.22-18:55:33.png
2014-11-22T17:56:15Z haom: if i manually start swank in a terminal repl, and then slime-connect from emacs, how can i make the emacs repl print its output to the terminal repl?
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2014-11-22T18:00:16Z H4ns: haom: try printing to *terminal-io*
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2014-11-22T18:00:47Z haom: H4ns: i did, it didnt work.
2014-11-22T18:01:12Z Grue`: try printing in another thread, it should work
2014-11-22T18:01:35Z haom: Grue`: could you give me an example?
2014-11-22T18:02:20Z Grue`: well, i'm thinking theoretically, cause swank probably rebinds *standard-output*, so in another thread it will be the original standard-output
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2014-11-22T18:03:32Z haom: ok, but you were right, (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda () (write-line "Hello, world" *standard-output*))) does the trick.
2014-11-22T18:03:38Z haom: cool.
2014-11-22T18:04:01Z Grue`: good, at last my hunch turned out to be correct
2014-11-22T18:04:24Z Grue`: but there might be a better way
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2014-11-22T18:35:50Z drmeister: Is there a function in Common Lisp to identify the minimum amount of a pathname necessary to make it unique from another pathname?
2014-11-22T18:36:02Z drmeister: I sort of recall that there was.
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2014-11-22T18:36:43Z drmeister: If so, if I have a list of pathnames I'd like something that can generate the minimum amount of each to make them all distinguishable from each other.
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2014-11-22T19:16:27Z Shinmera: drmeister: The only thing close to that that I can think of is enough-namestring
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2014-11-22T20:30:05Z shka: i have a class that has 3 direct superclasses
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2014-11-22T20:30:19Z shka: all have slots with initargs
2014-11-22T20:31:05Z shka: one have initialize-instance with :after
2014-11-22T20:31:57Z shka: so now i want to initialize the instance, but how do i pass initargs?
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2014-11-22T20:52:29Z Grue`: (make-instance 'foo-class :arg1 arg1 :arg2 arg2 ...) ?
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2014-11-22T20:52:55Z Grue`: pass them to where, you need to elaborate
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2014-11-22T20:53:36Z Grue`: the sub class has all slots from its parent classes
2014-11-22T20:55:53Z shka: right
2014-11-22T20:56:06Z shka: Grue`: thanks, so this is problem with intialize instance
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2014-11-22T21:00:53Z Grue`: what would be the problem, exactly? initialize-instance is a generic function and also works on subclasses
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2014-11-22T21:08:53Z shka: Grue`: well i don't know
2014-11-22T21:10:50Z shka: i'm just getting invalid argument
2014-11-22T21:11:01Z shka: not sure why
2014-11-22T21:12:46Z shka: ok, if i skip ther argument, it works
2014-11-22T21:12:56Z shka: so some stupid mistake
2014-11-22T21:13:05Z shka: i need to get some sleep
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2014-11-22T21:22:57Z shka: yeah it simply does not inherit the class
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2014-11-22T22:30:54Z pjb: drmeister: enough-namestring
2014-11-22T22:31:32Z pjb: as Shinmera said :-)
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