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I run the code in (package A ) but the function that pulls in the list from the file is in (package B) . The problem is, is that when I go to retrieve values from the list, the symbols are bound to package A but I need them bout to the package that pulls in the list from the file and I can't explicitly bind them in the file. Any thoughts? I hope the question is clear. 02:07:54 s/bout/bound 02:11:46 cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-240-109.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 02:17:37 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:16 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:42 msmith1: somewhat difficult to understand, but try binding *package* as you read 02:21:12 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 02:22:57 Bike: I've done something similar before but I couldn't remember how to do it. You bind it with let? Can you give an example? 02:23:14 (let ((*package* package-to-read-symbols-into)) (read ...)) 02:23:52 for example (let ((*package* (find-package "KEYWORD"))) (read-from-string "(foo bar baz)")) => (:FOO :BAR :BAZ) if i'm not mistaken 02:24:32 -!- varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvlofclumqcfqiol] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:34:22 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.205.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:34:34 -!- KarlDscc [~localhost@p5B2B2881.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:33 andreh [~andreh@177.96.237.93] has joined #lisp 02:44:34 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@x2f65f4c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:57:23 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6db27.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:59:25 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.96.237.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:40 Bike: Got it working, thanks 03:00:03 coo' 03:01:05 beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@49.14.208.63] has joined #lisp 03:03:49 beingAwesome1 [~Thunderbi@223.196.164.242] has joined #lisp 03:05:34 -!- beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@49.14.208.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:08:34 -!- beingAwesome1 [~Thunderbi@223.196.164.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14:38 beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@106.66.208.3] has joined #lisp 03:23:40 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:15 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:27:09 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:44 nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:11 -!- beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@106.66.208.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:33:57 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 03:34:08 beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@49.14.241.34] has joined #lisp 03:35:18 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:51 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-142-79.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:36:00 Good morning everyone! 03:36:04 'morning 03:36:54 Hey p_l! What are you working on these days? 03:37:00 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:07 [Lisp-related, that is] 03:38:11 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:38:25 -!- beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@49.14.241.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:38:41 good morning 03:41:17 beach: theoretically writing stuff that should be presented on tuesday 03:41:19 wgl: Welcome back! :) 03:41:34 p_l: Oh? 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When I try to print a package-qualified symbol, the package is missing. Which variable controls whether a package qualification is printed? 05:06:44 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 05:07:38 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:09:01 -!- msmith1 [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has left #lisp 05:09:13 -!- wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:27 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:16 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@c-24-18-244-51.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:14:41 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:45 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:18:51 OK, first draft of the asdf3 article is complete. Yay! 05:19:28 Poenikatu, I usually bind *package* to common-lisp for that. 05:19:44 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:20:10 Fare: How does that help? 05:20:21 try it 05:20:29 Fare: Ok 05:20:37 otherwise, princ vs write, ~A vs ~S 05:20:46 I don't remember the diff between ~S and ~W 05:21:20 uiop has println and writeln, btw 05:21:29 oh wait, only in the 3.1 series 05:21:50 kbc_ [kbc@tuomi.oulu.fi] has joined #lisp 05:21:50 asedeno_ [~asedeno@66.102.14.24] has joined #lisp 05:21:55 asedeno_, ping 05:22:04 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-50-137-36-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22:05 ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:06 -!- ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:22:07 -!- hypno_ [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:22:11 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: gonna sleep] 05:22:13 karswell` [~user@84.93.180.60] has joined #lisp 05:22:14 sellout- [~Adium@71-218-6-206.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:17 sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 05:22:17 -!- sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:22:17 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 05:22:22 -!- urandom__ [~user@p20030056C87CC0BD3E970EFFFE524478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:23:02 Fare: No different result for my (pretty-apropos "string" &key pkg) which prints the symbols in columns sorted alphabetically vertically 05:23:29 Fare: Which 3.1 series? 05:23:32 bullone [~user@host-73.20-14-119.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #lisp 05:24:03 harish_ [~harish@175.156.125.137] has joined #lisp 05:24:07 pranavrc_ [~pranavrc@122.164.132.95] has joined #lisp 05:24:18 joneshf-laptop_ [~joneshf@98.255.30.38] has joined #lisp 05:24:22 -!- QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:22 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:22 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.125.137] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:22 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@98.255.30.38] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:22 -!- ubii [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:36 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.126.2.74] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:24:37 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Write error: Connection timed out] 05:24:37 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Write error: Connection timed out] 05:24:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Write error: No route to host] 05:24:37 -!- karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 05:24:51 QwertyDragon_ [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:00 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:01 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.2.74] has joined #lisp 05:25:24 -!- QwertyDragon_ is now known as QwertyDragon 05:25:24 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:24 rco1 [~rco@174-23-237-190.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:37 ubii_ [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has joined #lisp 05:26:57 Poenikatu, asdf 3.1 05:27:11 Poenikatu, which implementation are you using 05:27:12 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 05:27:25 maybe you'll be interested instead in cl-ppcre:regex-apropos 05:27:29 I was using ccl for a time, but I have now reverted to sbcl 05:27:52 I usually use SBCL in SLIME, but CCL for a quick compile at the shell repl 05:28:06 -!- ubii_ [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Client Quit] 05:28:27 ubii_ [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has joined #lisp 05:28:37 -!- ubii_ [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:43 I had problems with ccl compiling a (defclass ...). It failed with an error. sbcl does not fail. Standard CL, from Sonja Keene's book 05:29:04 ubii [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has joined #lisp 05:29:04 -!- ubii [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Changing host] 05:29:04 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 05:29:18 Poenikatu, did you file a bug? 05:29:28 the CCL hackers are quite good about fixing their implementation 05:29:29 Fare: No. Was it a bug? 05:29:36 probably. Was it not? 05:29:41 stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has joined #lisp 05:30:11 Fare: Hm. Ok, I'll download CCL again, create my locally-compiled version and try again. 05:30:28 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:30:45 you don't *have to*, but it's good citizenship to report bugs — especially if you want to complain about them afterwards. 05:32:06 Poenikatu: If you always want package prefixes to be displayed, then bind *package* to the keyword package. 05:32:42 beach: I'll try that 05:32:44 beach: salut, comment vas-tu? 05:33:20 Chào Fare! Bien merci! Et toi? 05:33:25 Fare: I take your point about good citizenship. I must say that I have found people on #lisp to be really friendly and helpful. Makes a real difference when learning a language. 05:33:50 -!- sellout- [~Adium@71-218-6-206.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:03 sellout- [~Adium@71-218-6-206.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:11 beach: super stressed out with too many deadlines 05:34:21 Oh, sorry to hear that. 05:34:22 -!- jasom [~aidenn@ip70-191-80-19.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:34:46 one of them is today, though I guess there will be an extension -- for ELS 2014 05:34:52 Will you be there in May in Paris? 05:34:58 -!- beingAwesome [~Thunderbi@223.196.226.127] has quit [Quit: beingAwesome] 05:35:15 I think I can't make it. But I will be in Montreal and Berlin. 05:35:28 -!- Poenikatu [~kvirc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:35:49 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-24-7-197-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: SIGSEGV (core dumped)] 05:35:55 We'll meet in Montreal, for sure, then. 05:36:06 If all goes well, I might submit a paper to ILC. 05:36:26 Yes, and you can test my Vietnamese then. :) 05:37:47 *you* can test mine. I have the level of a 3 year old. 05:37:57 Oh! :) 05:38:08 I'm hoping to submit to ILC, too, but that's a tight deadline for another completely different paper. 05:38:27 I see. About ASDF? 05:38:59 My ILC paper will not be about ASDF 05:39:05 This ELS paper is about ASDF3. 05:39:09 OK. 05:39:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has joined #lisp 05:39:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has quit [Changing host] 05:39:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:39:39 Current draft, if you care to proofread: https://github.com/fare/asdf3-2013/blob/master/asdf3-2014.scrbl 05:40:17 a lot of editing is needed, but it's getting shape already 05:40:53 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:56 How long do I have to proof read? 05:41:13 Today, I guess :) 05:41:55 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:16 well, I expect an extension and/or the ability to update before it's actually read by the program committee. 05:42:31 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:39 on the other hand, maybe it's completely worthless and needs to be completely rewritten. 05:42:46 Sure. Well, I am a bit busy, but if you send me a PDF by email, I'll see what I can do. 05:43:10 I don't believe the article is of interest to anyone but a lisper, maybe a common lisper. That's a very narrow audience. 05:43:13 thanks a lot 05:43:23 rco2 [~rco@67-2-165-133.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:25 -!- rco1 [~rco@174-23-237-190.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:55 No problem. 05:46:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:52:00 wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:52:37 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:14 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 05:58:41 I need a short and catchy word for "an object that can be made obsolete". Any suggestions? 05:59:37 ... or rather just an adjective for "can be made obsolete". 06:00:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:00:28 obsoletable? 06:00:29 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:34 garbage? 06:00:41 unneeded 06:00:46 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00:49 No, no, it's needed. 06:00:59 Obsolete in the sense that the class has been redefined. 06:01:06 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:23 updatable? updatand? 06:01:27 needing update? 06:01:49 target for update-instance-for-redefined-class ? 06:01:49 Yes, possible. 06:02:04 Yes. 06:02:11 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 06:02:17 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:02:27 what are you writing? 06:02:34 SICL documentation. 06:02:53 I removed all the complex u-i-f-r-c machinery from the latest ASDF3. 06:03:05 Instead, I drop data if it's from too old a schema 06:03:09 :-( 06:03:40 I can't do that in a conforming Common Lisp implementation :) 06:04:01 I could do that in a conforming CL application :) 06:04:12 Indeed. 06:04:34 using u-i-f-r-c correctly is hell 06:04:40 hot upgrade is hell 06:05:01 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:05:03 maintaining upgrade scripts forever for every past version is hell 06:05:09 testing upgrade scripts is hell 06:05:22 I can see that. 06:05:29 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:37 ASDF tests upgrades... somewhat. 06:06:00 even just that caught a lot of bugs. 06:06:13 KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 06:06:29 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:45 recently, I had a case where some class definitions were fine, but when upgrading from an old schema, the first new definition created a circularity with an old one, and boom, CLOS errors out 06:06:54 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:13 -!- hitecnologys_ [~hitecnolo@46.233.195.243] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys_] 06:07:17 the workaround? on upgrade, start by removing its superclasses from the second class, avoiding circularity. 06:07:23 Wow, that sounds very difficult to debug. 06:07:40 if I had to keep the data, too, that would be even worse. 06:07:41 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.195.243] has joined #lisp 06:07:57 The instances? Yeah, sure. 06:08:40 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:09:07 BBL 06:09:14 and oh yeah, you can only define your methods if the class already exists, but the u-i-f-r-c method must be present BEFORE the new class definition 06:09:51 so the asdf source had to do magic tricks with EVAL to define those methods only when needed 06:10:12 doing those things without triggering any warning on any implementation is also hell. 06:10:24 wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has joined #lisp 06:10:56 in any case, u-i-f-r-c is a hell I do not wish even upon my enemies. 06:11:12 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:9147:6b81:b1ed:81fd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:11:50 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has joined #lisp 06:12:44 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 06:13:01 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 06:13:13 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:cc6b:fa70:c044:a58d] has joined #lisp 06:14:43 -!- KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18:23 -!- therik [~therik@212.50.110.108] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:10 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.94.211] has joined #lisp 06:22:23 -!- bullone [~user@host-73.20-14-119.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:24:47 -!- r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 06:25:44 -!- limita [~limita@46.148.31.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:26:49 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:28:33 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 06:32:09 Fare: Thanks for the warning. 06:33:07 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:33:25 KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 06:33:59 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:44:37 -!- waa [~waa@187-5-57-197.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:56 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:47:44 -!- KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:49:20 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 06:49:57 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:56:18 photex [~photex@192.241.224.216] has joined #lisp 06:57:35 hi everyone, I'm attempting to compile Clozure on the Beaglebone (original white model). I'm getting a lot of undefined symbols when linking the kernel. Has anyone here done this already? 06:57:41 I'm using Arch linux 07:00:10 Poenikatu [~kvirc@host-89-240-251-24.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 07:00:10 -!- Poenikatu [~kvirc@host-89-240-251-24.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:00:10 Poenikatu [~kvirc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has joined #lisp 07:00:56 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:01:19 Not that I know of, but I'd start by looking at the first symbol. 07:01:48 r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has joined #lisp 07:02:12 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 07:02:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-18.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:05:22 the first symbol missing is 'start_lisp' somehow. But towards the end there are some related to atomic operations. Seems like a lot went wrong :) 07:06:35 a lot going wrong is good. 07:06:44 means you will likely find something in the wreckage that is easy to fix. 07:09:18 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:10:12 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:13:01 nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:13:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:14:52 oh! woot! 07:14:55 m4 wasn't installed 07:15:02 *photex* kicks self 07:19:26 KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 07:21:22 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:23:39 -!- wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 07:26:04 wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has joined #lisp 07:27:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-18.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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09:41:59 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2f10:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 09:48:21 (loop for i upto (1- num) .. equivallent to (loop for i below num .. unless you did this for readability of some sort 09:49:06 ah okay. using below makes more sense 09:49:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:46 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 09:54:35 jeti [~user@p57AECDCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:56:32 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 09:57:57 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 09:58:15 nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:00:06 samebchase: Are you allowed to represent the matrix as a list of lists? 10:02:01 -!- _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:c893:24e1:f165:342a] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02:32 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:45 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:03:16 _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:c9b2:adf:759f:ee07] has joined #lisp 10:03:23 If so, you can rotate it right like this: 10:03:24 (mapcar #'reverse (apply #'mapcar #'list matrix) 10:03:37 -!- _8680_ is now known as Guest81088 10:03:50 [rotating the other direction is left as an exercise] 10:06:57 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 10:07:00 beach: of course. the representation is out choice. Some of the pythonners have posted (readable, but not comprehensible IYKWIM) one liners 10:07:10 our* 10:07:47 beach: nice outside the box solution :D 10:07:54 If the representation is your choice, why not just transform the coordinates? :) 10:09:02 uhhh, how is that usually done? do you mean something like rect -> polar 10:10:05 Instead of the data. 10:10:59 Think of a transform upon (x, y). 10:11:19 If you have that, you don't need to change the data -- you can just change the view. 10:11:41 And if you want data that matches that view, you can just transform the view, and then copy. 10:11:44 k-stz: Glad you like it! :) 10:11:44 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:07 it's beginning to make sense. a mapping from one co-ordinate system to the other, but with the same data 10:12:19 hmm, is there a library that will allow me to get a file's modification time? 10:13:38 yzzyx`: file-write-date ? 10:14:07 duh, how did i miss that? thanks... 10:14:08 samebchase: If I read the problem statement right, the fewer characters the better. 10:14:33 samebchase: Writing it in APL would be very short. 10:16:17 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:16:24 beach: yes, but I ignored it and optimised for reading effort (only because I couldnt' write a shorter one ;-) ) 10:16:43 OK, I see. :) 10:22:15 anyone running the latest sbcl on osx? I get an unexpected error when running the threads-impure.lisp test 10:25:19 chandan22 [6a33a6b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.106.51.166.183] has joined #lisp 10:25:28 -!- chandan22 [6a33a6b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.106.51.166.183] has left #lisp 10:25:42 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:54 antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 10:29:20 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 10:30:26 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 10:34:58 -!- drewc [~drewc@S0106c8d71945c789.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35:23 beach: left-rotation is (reverse (apply #'mapcar #'list matrix)) 10:35:46 Good! :) 10:35:51 leaving rotate-right as an exercise would have been harder 10:35:59 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-91-224.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:36:00 , but anyway this took me a while 10:36:50 Oh, there is only a finite number of combinations of apply, revers, mapcar, and list. 10:37:30 varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgrdsobiwznbcxda] has joined #lisp 10:40:22 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:45:38 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:05 -!- michael_lee [~michael_l@113.139.75.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:01 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 10:50:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:53:21 _tca [sid17279@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilbzttytroiixqus] has joined #lisp 10:53:23 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 10:56:24 -!- KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:02 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:31 -!- qiemem [uid14911@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uoxvcvttdtomwzpt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:57:54 Joreji [~thomas@155-223.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 10:58:38 victor_lowther_ [sid17606@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccxyxlhdnktucvey] has joined #lisp 11:00:46 splittist [sid17737@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krpsximyahyekmgy] has joined #lisp 11:01:53 davorb [sid17780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zxlkvwdzuqhkchis] has joined #lisp 11:02:04 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-7149e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 11:02:27 BaconOverflow [sid17800@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lurgqvhllqxqyhkj] has joined #lisp 11:02:32 cmatei_ [~cmatei@78.96.108.146] has joined #lisp 11:02:34 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:42 -!- cmatei_ is now known as cmatei 11:03:15 __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d817534.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:40 -!- Trenif [~Lefeni@c-7149e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:13 michael_lee [~michael_l@113.132.82.66] has joined #lisp 11:08:03 -!- wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:40 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:47 -!- MinnowTaur [~circuser-@ip68-109-198-63.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:52 wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has joined #lisp 11:14:59 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18:09 pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:25:16 -!- pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:26:52 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has joined #lisp 11:37:39 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:42:48 Shinmera: If the very best name is the same as a cl symbol, i shadow the cl symbol. 11:42:59 Shinmera: but sometimes i'll try for a synonym 11:44:14 Xach: Hmm, right. Do you think what I did with the exclamation marks in Chirp is acceptable? 11:45:19 gluegadget [sid22336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvvnbkvapmdyzvao] has joined #lisp 11:46:56 *Xach* checks 11:47:39 AndroidTapioco [~AndroidTa@adsl-ull-212-82.46-151.net24.it] has joined #lisp 11:47:44 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:47:49 Shinmera: I am not a big fan 11:48:01 Neither am I 11:48:14 Shinmera: I think it could be fine to use e.g. BLOCK-USER, DELETE-OBJECT, etc. 11:48:35 Hmm, alright. 11:48:39 maybe. haven't checked all cases. 11:49:04 I'll rethink that part then, thanks 11:53:01 hi 11:53:51 morning 11:55:01 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-9-184.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:55:13 -!- AndroidTapioco [~AndroidTa@adsl-ull-212-82.46-151.net24.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:48 -!- CrazyEddy [~unsalable@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:58:23 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:58:52 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 12:02:59 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:27 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:06:01 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:01 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:08:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:09:00 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 12:10:33 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:02 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-9-184.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:13:29 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 12:15:12 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:16:38 CrazyEddy [~singultus@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 12:23:02 JuanDaugherty [~juand@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:24:10 -!- metatrontech [~chris@139.195.239.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33:44 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:35:03 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.111.38] has joined #lisp 12:35:03 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.111.38] has quit [Changing host] 12:35:03 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 12:35:48 -!- Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-7149e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:39:04 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-7149e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:39:46 -!- nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:46:01 -!- Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-7149e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47:38 melfcoins [~srs001@D97A6A2E.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 12:49:27 what is a good logbot for freenode? 12:49:39 i cant set one up, i just need to invite one? is that possible 12:49:45 i have googled my ass of 12:49:47 logbot? 12:49:53 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 12:50:08 yes, i'd like to keep logs of our little irc channel and our chats 12:50:39 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 12:51:27 melfcoins: If you want the Lisp solution, perhaps combine cl-irc with a logging library like cl-log? 12:52:12 The one problem with IRC libraries is that they often need special code to handle /me because /me is implemented in a weird way, it's just hidden by IRC clients. 12:52:30 Spawn an irssi client with logging enabled and detach from it. 12:54:25 -!- melfcoins [~srs001@D97A6A2E.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:33 Actually, I wonder which logging library is the most popular/active one. There seems to be quite a few. http://cliki.net/logging 13:02:22 Statistics on quicklisp for project activity and download count would be useful to have because cliki tends to just give a giant list of all libraries. 13:02:39 It would also be a big list, though. 13:02:57 I'll try to put together those stats for February though. 13:03:01 *Xach* has been a-slackin' 13:03:12 Xach: can i request a package for quicklisp? 13:03:14 Logging reminds me that I also need to get my own logging system cleaned up to be presentable. Ech. 13:03:17 axion: sure. 13:03:24 cl-qrencode 13:03:30 Xach: Almost every project on Quicklisp seems to have the date of last release in the title of the directory anyway, right? 13:03:32 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-186-187.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:03:42 At least the ones that grab from git? 13:03:44 axion: the best way to help me remember it is to add it via https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues 13:04:02 ok 13:04:38 aeth: the release date is part of the URL, yeah. 13:05:01 axion: it helps if you give a link to where i can get it 13:05:07 done 13:05:32 http://www.cliki.net/ironclad not even a cheapo salt on the hash-password function? that doesn't look very clever, given there's a pbkdf2 implementation :/ 13:07:16 yzzyx`: anyone can write stupid crap on cliki and they often do 13:07:56 ah. I will replace it with my stupid crap a bit later, then. 13:08:34 Xach: Good job following ISO 8601 for dates, btw. 13:08:48 anything less would be uncivilized 13:09:13 1+ 13:09:23 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 13:10:07 Hi. How do I get the error type alone from ignore-errors? I don't want to use a multiple-value-bind to get the result as well 13:10:24 pranavrc: (nth-value 1 (ignore-errors ...)) 13:10:34 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:53 Xach, ah right, thanks 13:11:17 note that the second value may be non-nil even when there is no error 13:11:19 Finally! Someone who uses ISO 8601 too! People say me that I'm crazy but I'm not, everybody should follow the damn standard. 13:11:34 hitecnologys: oh? who says that? 13:11:58 I wish I'd see the standard on websites more often. 13:12:26 People still aren't used to thinking about internationalization 13:12:58 dlowe: once I wrote the date using YYYY-MM-DD in my copybook and the guy who was sitting next to me asked me if I'm nuts because everybody around are used to writing date using DD.MM.YY format but that's no good. 13:13:10 if I was* 13:13:16 dlowe: Just considering that many applications are still not UTF-8 or unicode ready is saddening. 13:13:37 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:42 Shinmera: I'm more sympathetic. It's actually very difficult. 13:14:29 dlowe: using just two numbers for year isn't very wise. And the whole point of standards is to follow them, not to ignore them. 13:14:58 dlowe: All the more reason to focus on doing it right 13:15:10 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:12 Nah, we can go back to using two digits for the year now. We'll all (probably) be dead by the time that it's a problem. ;) 13:15:34 Or at least we won't have to care anymore. 13:15:38 hitecnologys: in what locale is DD.MM.YY common? 13:15:54 also, think of all the consultants that get to feed their children fixing those date issues. 13:16:07 in 86 years 13:16:25 Xach: I can't say for the whole country but at least in environment I live this format is quite common. 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15:27:01 <|3b|> sbcl is popular, but either of those should work for most things 15:27:08 <|3b|> ccl is also popular 15:27:20 cppiii: depends on what you want 15:28:06 WarWeasle [~bbeer@172.242.21.170] has joined #lisp 15:28:16 cppiii: clisp = small but slower, sbcl = large but faster 15:29:29 cppiii: both are pretty good 15:33:12 I see, thanks for the replies 15:36:26 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:39:08 I disagree, IMO clisp is pretty crappy 15:42:51 I second that, sbcl is definitely preferable to clisp. 15:46:29 -!- __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d817534.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has joined #lisp 15:47:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has quit [Changing host] 15:47:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:48:59 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:10 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 15:51:02 bgs100 [~bgs@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 15:52:01 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:42 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 15:58:08 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:00:38 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 16:01:13 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:17 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:03:24 If the purpose of SBCL is to be maintainable, then they failed. 16:04:49 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:17 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 16:07:14 jdoles: How so? 16:08:02 Too big. 16:08:32 wgl: I just opened the implementation for copy propagation. 16:08:48 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:59 Ah. 16:09:53 wgl: I have implemented that before in 5 times less lines, with less of a mudball architecture and due to its architecture it will likely create better code when part of a complete project. 16:10:06 wgl: the function definitions are also way too long. 16:10:09 That said, clisp is not too maintainable either, being written in C. 16:10:19 How does it compare to CCL in that regard? 16:10:33 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:35 wgl: I think this is related to the fact that Lisp doesn't run fast when you have tons of tiny little functions. 16:10:54 ccl started its life on smaller computers, so it's more compact, but there are still parts that are unnecessarily hairy, IMO. 16:11:05 The "optimize" statements also don't help. 16:11:11 At least, ccl code is easier to read, at least for me, than sbcl. 16:13:05 Take for example a TN, which is a non-standard abbreviation. 16:13:09 i have spent most of my time with SBCL, not necessarily looking at the internals, having looked at CCL only once or twice. 16:13:51 TU on the other hand is fairly well established. 16:13:55 <|3b|> jdoles: what were the standard abbreviation when cmucl was started? 16:14:21 |3b|: not using any abbreviations would have been a very simple solution. 16:14:49 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:02 Or referencing a document at the top of every file saying:" If you want to understand this, read the glossary". 16:15:11 Simple problems with simple solutions. 16:15:17 <|3b|> well, feel free to solve them then 16:15:38 I have no specific interest in SBCL; it's cool that it's free, but other than that, I am not going to fix it. 16:16:08 <|3b|> just complain about it? 16:16:20 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:24 |3b|: there was a discussion about it. 16:16:32 |3b|: I just said what my opinion of it was. 16:16:47 |3b|: pjb shared that opinion partly. 16:16:49 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-91-224.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:17:07 |3b|: so, why should I fix SBCL? Just because you want that? 16:17:10 Opinions sure are great to have. 16:17:32 jdoles: you may want to fix sbcl if you use it for its speed in deployment? 16:17:34 -!- Fare [mj9265w@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:17:36 <|3b|> because you seem to have a better ability to see a solution to its problem than others :) 16:17:52 |3b|: sure, and that's why people pay me to solve their problems. 16:18:03 But them, recent benchmaks seem to show that some programs run faster on ccl. 16:18:04 |3b|: if I would give it away, my value would go down. 16:18:12 -!- Guest81088 [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:c9b2:adf:759f:ee07] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:18:14 And of course, for small script, clisp is the fastest. 16:18:30 (when load time of the implementation is bigger than run time of the script). 16:18:47 So, occassionally I give some free advice, but that's more because at some point it might be interesting to hear alternative opinions. 16:19:07 pjb: Are there longer-running kinds of programs that run faster with CCL 16:19:18 Now, sometimes I change my opinion as a result of that, and sometimes I don't. I think it works like this for many people. 16:19:27 _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:d468:2a07:c3f5:1e8c] has joined #lisp 16:19:29 I've not looked closely, but it seems it was with hunchentoot servers. 16:19:50 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:11 In any case, the point here is that you cannot exclude implementations: each of them is better for some things. 16:20:15 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFF95F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: off] 16:20:28 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:34 sdemarre1 [~serge@91.176.233.91] has joined #lisp 16:20:35 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:42 -!- WarWeasle [~bbeer@172.242.21.170] has quit [Quit: WarWeasle] 16:21:22 WarWeasle [~Kaltara@172.242.21.170] has joined #lisp 16:21:31 jdoles: Which do you use of the implementations, excluding looking under the hood? 16:21:58 -!- rotad [~user@unaffiliated/rotad] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:22:00 pjb: One cool thing i saw about CCL was its nice bridge to the gui under mac os x 16:22:03 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:25 -!- zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:05 wgl: yes, but one not so nice thing about this is that it only works in ccl and only on macosx. There are other and older bridges, but they don't seem to work with modern gcc. I'd like to write a portable Objective-C bridge for the main current Objective-C compilers 16:24:03 ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-149-85.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:07 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 16:24:37 Right, it was clear that it was pretty restricted in what it would support. 16:24:38 -!- sdemarre1 [~serge@91.176.233.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:31 qiemem [uid14911@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ckukzigebuuhxdyo] has joined #lisp 16:25:45 Does anyone here use SBCL on FreeBSD 10 or later? 16:30:19 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:31:03 -!- wgl [~user@c-50-179-195-64.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:38 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 16:33:18 -!- rco3 [~rco@174-23-231-58.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:47 -!- _8680_ 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be the problem? 19:35:59 pjb: Thanks for quick response. I need little bit reference and discussion on CLISP. There is bug reported on savannah that, when va_start_struct and va_return* are used in clisp/src/foreign.d, GCC issues warnings: warning: value computed is not used. 19:36:50 Is that error solved by someone or still a bug? 19:37:05 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 19:38:06 A hg pull says: no changes found. 19:38:25 But I'm not sure it's a bug. Is there any problem? 19:40:10 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:41:00 No, I am working on bugs reported on savannah this is one of them. Can you tell me in what mode CLISP uses the avcall and callback? 19:42:53 I couldn't say. Why don't you use grep? It uses it for FFI, but stdarg is probably used more often. 19:46:30 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:46:32 Actually I never used to work on it before :). Can you please guide me a necessary steps or any kinda documentation from where I can learn how to implement CLISP on my machine. I downloaded it from source-forge and build it with gcc. Is that okay or something else I need to do? 19:47:10 Well, yes, you will need to compile it, and with all the modules. 19:49:21 -!- edgar-rfx [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: existence ended by mental explosion] 19:50:10 Now, it seems that the FFI package is always available, at least as soon as clisp is compiled with ffcall. Further uses of stdarg, avcall and callbacks are probably to be found in various modules such as bindings/glibc (LINUX package), syscalls, clx, etc. 19:50:16 ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:40 deepak: you may also want to ask on the clisp-devel mailling list. 19:52:20 pjb: Sure i'll do it. 19:52:28 cf. http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-debug and http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-mailing-lists 19:52:45 -!- dirzik [~dirzik@62.109.21.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:17 -!- _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:d468:2a07:c3f5:1e8c] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:32 pjb: When I successfully compiled CLISP how do it check whether foreign.d file still spits an error message or not? 19:53:54 -!- zarul [~zarul@ubuntu/member/zarul] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:20 zarul [~zarul@ubuntu/member/zarul] has joined #lisp 19:54:39 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:54:43 _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:4932:35fb:550:916] has joined #lisp 19:55:37 deepak: I would try grep foreign.d on the compilation logs. 19:56:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:30 But in the last compilation I have (last version from hg), I only have two lines: 19:56:30 19:56:33 ../src/foreign.d: In function C_call_with_foreign_string: 19:56:35 ../src/foreign.d:3049:14: warning: variable charsize might be clobbered by longjmp or vfork 19:57:50 francogrex [~user@86.93-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:59:55 sellout- [~Adium@174-29-251-169.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:09 Can you compile it with GCC and check whether you get and error message? As I can seen in foreign.d file va_start_struct is in use. 20:02:10 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 20:02:22 suvorova [~suvorova@194.126.251.167] has joined #lisp 20:02:22 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:03:45 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:03:49 My hg tip is 15608:97c19a70b668 20:06:38 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:38 I use this script to compile: http://paste.lisp.org/+318F 20:08:52 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:51 pjb: Okay i'll check that script but I have no idea what is hg tip, sorry for that. I'm newbie to this so things getting time to clear out :). 20:10:42 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:48 If you want to debug clisp, you should get the latest sources with mercurial. Mercure = Hg, therefore the command for mercurial is hg. check http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ 20:11:04 (bottom right) 20:11:10 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.35.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:58 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:13:58 nug700 [~nug700@71-37-219-192.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:41 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:01 Denommus [~AndChat67@179-236-78-84.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 20:15:01 -!- Denommus [~AndChat67@179-236-78-84.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 20:15:01 Denommus [~AndChat67@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:15:20 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:15:45 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:19:22 -!- whartung [~whartung@wsip-70-183-27-154.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20:03 Okay i'll start exploring it :). 20:20:58 deepak: but note that my compilation script is for a release, it doesn't compile clisp in debugging mode. 20:21:02 cf. the faq for that. 20:22:04 Okay i'll take care of that. 20:22:41 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has joined #lisp 20:23:28 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 20:24:13 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:26:23 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:28:35 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-210-247.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:29:38 -!- francogrex [~user@86.93-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:29 -!- suvorova [~suvorova@194.126.251.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:45 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 20:33:11 -!- deepak [~chatzilla@117.199.99.229] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20140127194636]] 20:33:52 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:35 any gray-streams people here? 20:35:56 I found a work-around for FILE-POSITION not working in ECL with FLEXI-STREAMS; see https://sourceforge.net/p/ecls/bugs/287/. 20:36:41 I'm not sure whether I should post that for inclusion in flexi-streams, or whether that's a bug in ECL (some CLOS or GRAY parts missing?) 20:36:46 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:00 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-046-005-017-010.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has left #lisp 20:37:46 any help is welcome; please just leave a note in the bug. Thank you very much! 20:38:21 -!- Vivitron` [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:39:15 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:40:01 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 20:41:05 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 20:41:19 wgl [~user@c-50-179-195-64.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:43 Does anyone here use SBCL on FreeBSD 10 or later? 20:42:11 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:43:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-94.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:15 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:47:17 flip214: add (gray::redefine-cl-functions) to your .eclrc 20:51:18 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:07 fe[nl]ix: thanks, will try. shouldn't that be included in flexi-streams, then? 20:53:03 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:53:50 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:06 ELS 2014 Submission 9 — yay 20:54:20 fe[nl]ix, you are mentioned, twice 20:54:33 *Fare* needs more proofreaders 20:54:55 I can help with that 20:55:01 just not this evening 20:55:11 -!- Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:55:45 sure. There will probably (1) be a deadline extension, and (2) be a lot of harsh reviews from committee members, so take your time. 20:55:46 is it ok for some classes to have unbound class-precedence-list slots ? 20:55:57 pcl 20:56:25 totally unbound? i doubt it 20:58:28 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #lisp 20:58:45 http://picpaste.com/pics/class-BSfzQj0U.1394398715.png 21:00:28 amop tells it can't too i think.... 21:00:40 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:01:04 -!- nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 21:06:02 -!- bege_ is now known as bege 21:10:34 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:36 -!- WarWeasle [~bbeer@172.242.21.170] has left #lisp 21:14:00 -!- Foxboron [~sp00n@146.185.137.105] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:14:46 -!- Fare [U0wNC8RG@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:15:13 -!- optikalmouser [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:15:13 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:15:35 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:18:08 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:39 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18:45 przl [~przlrkt@p5DD15F96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:19:59 fe[nl]ix: thanks, issue submitted... 21:20:25 but did it work ? 21:23:54 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:28:47 nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:54 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:30:01 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 21:31:16 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-142-79.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:34:57 francogrex [~user@84.88-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 21:37:09 -!- joneshf-laptop_ [~joneshf@98.255.30.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:17 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@98.255.30.38] has joined #lisp 21:40:42 optikalmouser [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:40:57 optikalmouse [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:16 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 21:45:13 -!- nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.233.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:45:39 Fare [hnPwC@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:22 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:47:13 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 21:50:32 http://paste.lisp.org/display/141570 21:51:38 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:22 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:20 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:48 -!- sellout- [~Adium@174-29-251-169.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:22 Fare: is there no :around-load ? 21:58:39 on purpose 21:58:47 it would defeat bundle operations 21:59:00 Fare: did you see my notes? 21:59:03 http://picpaste.com/pics/class-lXzKWtjY.1394402309.png 21:59:36 Fare: in what way ? 22:00:05 in a bundle, you can't do anything around individual files 22:00:10 Fare: all I want is to ignore sb-int:package-at-variance during load too 22:00:15 if the bundle is an executable, even less so 22:00:16 and do that from iolib.asd 22:00:31 fe[nl]ix, good call. 22:00:55 Can you push it to *uninteresting-loader-conditions* ? Not very nice. 22:00:58 -!- drewc [~drewc@S0106c8d71945c789.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:01:05 or use uiop:define-package instead of defpackage 22:01:18 I can do it locally, but I'd like my users to get that too 22:01:38 I understand the concern. 22:01:45 or maybe, the deferred warnings mechanism shouldn't save conditions ignored by means of *uninteresting-conditions* et al. 22:01:52 ASDF still lacks a good way to bind variables around actions 22:01:58 that would be the cleanest way 22:02:15 fe[nl]ix, it doesn't. Did you explicitly enable it? It's disabled by default. 22:02:18 -!- optikalmouser [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:25 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@CPE602ad088890a-CM602ad0888907.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:36 I did, but it IMO saves too much 22:02:44 I'm not going to hack ASDF anymore after the RSN release 3.1.1. 22:03:00 that way, my around-compile ignores that condition and the deferred warnings machinery wouldn't persist it 22:03:10 and unless you have a ready-to-implement specification and/or patch, it's not going to happen 22:03:14 ok 22:03:18 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 22:04:22 -!- bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:05:29 -!- MinnowTaur [~MinnowTau@ip68-109-198-63.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:25 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 22:07:05 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.67.185] has 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