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I like it because it reminds of learning Perl days... :) 04:16:05 michael_lee [~michael_l@222.90.43.160] has joined #lisp 04:20:14 Not having threads is a good feature. :) 04:20:44 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:23:37 segmond [~uzo@adsl-108-73-161-113.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:27 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 04:29:17 KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 04:31:02 -!- cory786 [~cory@234.sub-70-194-196.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:05 -!- Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:32:44 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:02 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:59 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 04:34:46 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:36:28 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:44 Just by `export LDFLAGS= && #export CFLAGS= && export CPPFLAGS=`, `sh make.sh --prefix=/home/***/sbcl/ --xc-host="sbcl --disable-debugger --no-sysinit --no-userinit"` successfully build the newest SBCL on FreeBSD. Great sbcl ! 04:51:05 threads=cores? or just logical cores? 04:52:03 i wonder how CL code will perform on a multicore system 04:53:20 About as badly as C code. 04:53:32 Although C11 has threading semantics, so perhaps worse. 04:54:18 Lacking threading semantics, CL systems must expect pretty much universal contention. 04:55:42 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.118.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:56:15 I like javascript's approach of algorithmic evaluation -- I hope that stick with that. 04:58:23 jerrychow [~jerrychow@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 04:58:49 -!- jerrychow [~jerrychow@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 05:00:18 i see 05:01:53 brandonz [~brandon@199-241-200-45.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 05:02:33 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:02:43 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:03:14 -!- ASau` [~user@p5083D20D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] 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[~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 07:03:57 mihai_ [~mihai@81.170.72.2] has joined #lisp 07:04:57 yes 07:06:20 how? 07:06:27 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-suycqwwpjkrovkyn] has joined #lisp 07:13:20 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih_] 07:14:23 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 07:15:11 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 07:17:10 -!- brutal_lobster [~brutal_lo@sapmail.pbconsulting.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:18:14 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip68-99-254-231.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23:38 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:08 prxq [~mommer@x2f666fc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 07:25:22 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-58-74.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:40 looks like i figured it out. thanks 07:28:58 da4c30ff [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 07:31:54 Code_Man` 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I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 12:04:14 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*Caroline2@93.114.45.* 12:04:14 -!- Caroline22 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Peddling pr0n is... prohibited) 12:04:32 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:05:19 A highly effective system. :) 12:05:52 yeah, amplification factor is 3! 12:07:09 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:01 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:08:05 interesting 12:09:16 -!- p_l has set mode -b *!*Caroline2@93.114.45.* 12:13:26 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:19 easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has joined #lisp 12:18:42 -!- p_l has set mode +q *2?!*@* 12:18:48 -!- p_l has set mode +q *3?!*@* 12:18:53 -!- p_l has set mode +q *18!*@* 12:18:56 -!- p_l has set mode +q *19!*@* 12:19:56 -!- p_l has set mode -qqqq *!*18@* *!*19@?* *!*2?@?* *!*3?@?* 12:21:15 O_o 12:22:39 Doesn't that catch, say, cpc26? 12:22:46 (And a few others.) 12:22:48 ggole: cpc26 is on exempt list 12:22:56 Hmm, ok 12:24:21 ggole: it's why I'm not dropping @ hat for now, more so than the kicking script - so I see if someone legitimate is +q 12:24:50 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:25:53 We have gotten enough spam that more aggressive measures become reasonable, I suppose. 12:26:02 *p_l* hopes the person who paid for the botnet chokes on the bot usage fee 12:26:11 *ggole* nods 12:29:11 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 12:32:03 Well of course we have to hijack the bnet. 12:35:24 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [] 12:36:59 -!- ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 270 seconds] 12:43:05 thepreacher [~thepreach@37.152.224.100] has joined #lisp 12:43:25 -!- oslvbo_ [~oslvbo@125.76.76.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:55 oslvbo [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has joined #lisp 12:47:16 mal_ [mal@2001:41d0:1:66c4::1] has joined #lisp 12:47:33 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:28 -!- thepreacher [~thepreach@37.152.224.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:44 cpc26_ [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 12:54:15 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:02 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 12:58:27 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 13:00:50 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:30 -!- maxpeck [~maxpeck@unaffiliated/maxpeck] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:06:10 oslvbo_ [~oslvbo@125.76.76.120] has joined #lisp 13:08:57 KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC7A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:50 -!- oslvbo [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:12:15 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:13:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:15:37 is there an inverse operation for array-row-major-index? 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(nsubstitute new (si::coerce-to-function predicate) sequence :key key :test #'unsafe-funcall1 :start start :end end :from-end from-end :count count :key key)) 14:40:35 The :key key argument is duplicated many times in the ECL seqlib.l source code and I think it's just a silent typo - but I want to make sure before I take it out. 14:42:15 drmeister: it is redundant 14:42:26 Thank you. 14:46:48 -!- oslvbo_ [~oslvbo@125.76.76.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:19 oslvbo [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has joined #lisp 14:47:20 segmond [~uzo@adsl-108-73-161-113.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:24 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 14:48:26 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:48:46 jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:55 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:51:17 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 14:53:32 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:55:12 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@fixed-203-69-5.iusacell.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:25 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.193.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:57:32 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 14:58:24 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 14:58:53 Hello, somebody can tell me what's the meaning of #'equal, I know "equal" but #'equal not 14:58:56 -!- segmond [~uzo@adsl-108-73-161-113.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:59:17 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 15:01:14 clhs #' 15:01:14 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhb.htm 15:02:28 JuanitoJons: they are the same thing. #'equal is when you pass a "reference" to function equal in this case. It's used in a context of predicates mostly 15:02:55 r0b2 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has joined #lisp 15:03:01 JuanitoJons: also look at the syntax and examples of funcall and apply, you will see many uses of #' 15:04:03 izirku: thanks, I think I understood better. 15:04:49 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.193.105] has joined #lisp 15:06:35 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0001.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 15:07:17 Will I need emacs 24.2 to get the forthcoming slime chaos^W goodness? 15:07:56 #'equal is the same thing as (function equal) IIUC 15:08:05 specbot: thanks for the link. 15:08:12 like '(a b c) is the same thing as (quote a b c) 15:09:14 dim: now is more clear for me, thanks 15:09:44 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@176.192.108.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:05 -!- ehu` [~ehu@62.140.132.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:14:40 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15:13 sellout- [~Adium@161.98.11.253] has joined #lisp 15:16:05 wheelsuc` [~user@168.114.240.151] has joined #lisp 15:16:36 -!- wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:19:02 heh http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ 15:19:52 joga: I thought this one seemed particularly lispy: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/post/77579719238/the-primitives-of-the-source-language-are 15:21:52 JuanitoJons: you can also play around with symbol-name, symbol-value and symbol-function to check your understanding 15:25:04 splittist: ok, let me check 15:29:02 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:56 mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has joined #lisp 15:30:57 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 15:32:45 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:33:21 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:34:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:51 francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:25 Hi, can someone please enlighten me what's wrong with this making of the hashtable? http://paste.lisp.org/display/141385 15:35:55 it the hash values are not specific to each hash key! 15:37:57 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:38:06 rustico_ [~rustico@gw-rdu.qliktech.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:38 splittist: for intersection of the two alists "using #'car and #'cdr" , I used that: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141387 15:39:54 francogrex: I'd like to help, but you have not provided the expected result and the actual result. 15:41:38 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-zwekkjbulcydvibz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:41:45 -!- rustico [~rustico@190.55.37.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:41:56 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has joined #lisp 15:41:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.216.208] has quit [Changing host] 15:41:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:42:47 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:49 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 15:49:11 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:49:53 Xach ok: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141385#1 actual results 15:50:18 expected result would be a diference of the values between test-1 test2 and test-3 15:50:48 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:47 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:51:57 mksan__ [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 15:52:08 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5057:ae50:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:52:25 for example I expect test-1 ((0 102) ... 15:52:48 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:52:51 -!- mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:52:51 and test-3 ((0 18) ... 15:53:06 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:51 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 15:54:19 can you add that to the paste, please? 15:54:24 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5057:ae50:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 15:54:58 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 15:55:11 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 15:55:41 francogrex: I wonder if it's as simple a problem as modifying quoted literals. 15:56:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:57 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:57:04 Fare [vQZ0@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:57:14 asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.16] has joined #lisp 15:57:42 rustico__ [~rustico@190.55.37.246] has joined #lisp 15:58:19 -!- rustico__ is now known as rustico 15:59:15 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:01:14 -!- rustico_ [~rustico@gw-rdu.qliktech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:47 percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:02:43 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:03:45 Renee18 [~Renee18@93.114.45.133] has joined #lisp 16:03:47 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*Renee18@93.114.45.* 16:03:47 -!- Renee18 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Peddling pr0n is... prohibited) 16:04:38 francogrex: I think I could understand it better if you did away with the cdddrrddrs and nths and gave things names. 16:05:11 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:07:26 -!- oslvbo [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:36 oslvbo_ [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has joined #lisp 16:08:38 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-bxlcngejlwykgetr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:50 -!- p_l has set mode -b *!*Renee18@93.114.45.* 16:14:26 Kazinator [~kaz@S0106687f7426d0eb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:38 -!- jdz [~jdz@212.36.34.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:24 -!- percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: percopal] 16:16:40 zophy [~sy@host-49-142-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:40 TXR 81 has special vars, symbol macros and macrolet. 16:19:39 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-mzxvrttabrcmkczs] has joined #lisp 16:19:40 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-mzxvrttabrcmkczs] has quit [Changing host] 16:19:40 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:23:13 -!- waa [~waa@189-73-10-174.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:48 uzo [c6fce60f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.252.230.15] has joined #lisp 16:27:15 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:16 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 16:30:24 Xach: ok I will try 16:30:26 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.16.1] has joined #lisp 16:31:20 -!- KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31:41 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-123.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:32:06 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 16:32:28 how do i restart or shutdown a specbot? 16:34:05 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0001.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: BBL] 16:34:10 Xach: you're the god of lisp: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141389 you were right it was because of the literal 16:39:05 francogrex: still hard for me to read but at least the result is right! yeah!! 16:39:46 i managed to start it up and get responses but i dont know how to close it :D 16:40:01 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:41:24 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:21 given CL approach to encoding (only using standard characters internally), I wonder if a good CL database driver (I'm looking at qmynd) shouldn't just care about the client_encoding (SET NAMES, SET character_set_results in MySQL slang) all by itself and prevent the application to care... 16:42:29 as a CL developer, how does that sound to you? 16:42:45 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:42:46 note: qmynd is almost doing that, but the wrong way, and MySQL is playful with encoding notions anyways 16:43:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:44:06 rustico_ [~rustico@gw-rdu.qliktech.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:51 *splittist* fires up emacs-24.3 for the first time and revels in the sameness 16:46:26 -!- michael_lee [~michael_l@222.90.43.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:47:05 -!- rustico [~rustico@190.55.37.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:25 rustico__ [~rustico@190.55.37.246] has joined #lisp 16:49:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:49:44 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:49:57 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc06-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:35 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-134-175-102.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51:14 -!- rustico_ [~rustico@gw-rdu.qliktech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:52:41 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:54:42 -!- Guest72904 [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:55:06 rustico_ [~rustico@gw-rdu.qliktech.com] has joined #lisp 16:55:29 Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:59 snits [~snits@71-38-98-214.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:14 -!- francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:57 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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(one eval to eval macro replacement code to new sexpr and a SECOND eval to get result)......well it seems therefore that you'll NEVER have nested quasiquotes! that is they way it appears to me....(nested macros will require so many NESTED evals that the SAME eval will never see nested quasiquotes) ...right? 17:31:32 I have counterexamples. Next! 17:31:43 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:46 percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has joined #lisp 17:32:05 Fare: i was specifically thinking of define-macro....that is brainless enough that even i understand it 17:33:20 grep '`.*`' fare-utils/**/*p | wc -l ==> 10 17:33:42 oslvbo [~oslvbo@125.76.76.120] has joined #lisp 17:33:52 bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has joined #lisp 17:34:35 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34:47 actually, only one of these has doubly nested `` 17:34:54 Posterdati [~kvirc@host208-231-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:36:07 *bhyde* enjoying (fare-memoization:memoize 'add-to-set :table *my-set*) 17:36:20 -!- mihai_ [~mihai@81.170.72.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:45 -!- oslvbo_ [~oslvbo@50.93.204.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:36:47 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-iibcqvlxuruiawit] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:40:41 Fare: wait...why would someone choose/need to doubly nest quasiquotes? 17:41:08 Fare: i suppose nothing is FORCING you to avoid that......still i don't think it is that necessary and can be avoided easily 17:41:09 -!- jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 17:41:44 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:37 theseb: have you read Let Over Lambda (I can't remember if we capitalize the O or not...) 17:43:43 ? 17:44:01 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:04 splittist: no what is that? if it is a web page i'll read it now 17:44:29 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-134-175-102.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:09 It is a book. But it has a web page. Which contains much of the book. And an explanation of a style that uses nested quasi-quoting quite liberally. 17:45:12 bhyde, it took me several iterations to find the correct API, but I think in the end I succeeded. 17:45:29 I just loathed all the *bad* memoization packages out there. 17:45:32 theseb: nested quasiquotes arise when authoring macros that in turn define macros and the macros you are defining want to use quasiquote. it produces the most wonderfully hard to read code  at least for most readers 17:45:38 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:46:02 theseb, bhyde: http://www.cliki.net/Three%20Comma%20Programmer 17:47:09 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:47:21 theseb: from LOL "Programming with backquotes is almost like having one more dimension of meaning in your code." 17:48:07 bhyde: whoa....so some people define macros that are so huge they define little submacros in them? that's crazy 17:48:13 oooo — after 2D languages and 3D languages, we can have 4D languages... 17:48:23 Fare: nextgen! 17:49:01 theseb: no, as bhyde says, you have macro-writing-macros (and so on) 17:49:11 folks i think macros inside of macros brings up a point we should all be mindful of perioically....there is only so much complexity the mind can handle 17:49:32 theseb: but, really, alexandria:once-only is a good example of doubly nested backquotes 17:49:53 triple nested, I admit makes my mind boggle. 17:49:56 izirku_ [~IceChat9@sys-its-g56vnw1-yev.cc.unt.edu] has joined #lisp 17:50:20 msimoni says he uses list, quote and list* instead of backquote, in his lisp dialects. 17:50:23 e.g. concurrent programming sounds cool but again the mind can only handle so much 17:50:42 Fare: i can see that 17:50:55 theseb: perhaps. That would be a good reason to have computer programs to write computer programs. If we could have really tiny programs - perhaps 'macros' - then imagine the intelligence-multiplication that would become possible (I do not say easy). 17:51:08 Fare: yes backquote is optional.....i know from experience however that using list and quote instead makes code WAY more unreadable 17:51:13 -!- izirku [~IceChat9@sys-its-g56vnw1-yev.cc.unt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:51:30 I agree — msimoni differs. 17:53:00 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 17:54:17 mcsontos [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 17:54:30 If I haven't been writing many DO forms (say, I'm in a LOOP phase), I find moderately complex DO's hard to immediately grok. By contrast, if I have been, even the most difficult DO seems elegantly pellucid. 17:54:31 Fare - i'm not entirely happy with my memoization, the function i'm M'n is top level, but I'd rather it was lexical (just to be more tidy). I haven't tried to achieve that aspiration, so maybe it's easy 17:54:59 jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:36 you can make it lexical if you want. 17:57:37 i've used the nested backquote as an ice breaker in interviews. i ask the cantidate about them, and then quickly admit I can never get them to work. 17:58:16 bhyde: Hahaha  get them scared right off the bat ;) 17:58:19 bhyde, I could not develop fare-quasiquote on my own. I had to use a cheat sheet to make ,@,@ work. 17:58:58 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:59:03 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 316 seconds] 17:59:04 scare them and make common cause 17:59:36 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:53 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:16 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:49 I remember in an interview many years ago, I was asked a question, came up with a (bad, in retrospect) solution, and then when I ran it past the interviewer, he said I dont know, Ive never asked this question before. 18:01:10 defmacro define-simple-dispatcher in xcvb/macros also has double backquotes. 18:01:43 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:02:29 Let me dig out my triple comma monster from my git log (I since refactored into nice single comma versions) 18:02:42 *refactored it 18:03:42 Cindy23 [~Cindy23@93.114.45.59] has joined #lisp 18:03:44 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*Cindy23@93.114.45.* 18:03:44 -!- Cindy23 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Peddling pr0n is... prohibited) 18:04:27 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.16.226] has joined #lisp 18:04:54 Fare: i want the table to be top level and the associated function to be lexical, that case seems out of alignment with something. 18:05:33 http://plaster.tymoon.eu:8080/view?id=36 18:05:39 I still feel awful about writing this 18:05:50 bhyde: you can do it manually 18:06:54 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.16.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:13 Shinmera: it's a good think you didn't show up at St. Peter's gates having left "` ``(apply #',',,pkg-method ,',,pkg-impl-var ,,',wholesymb))" behind! 18:07:44 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.16.226] has joined #lisp 18:08:52 -!- p_l has set mode -b *!*Cindy23@93.114.45.* 18:09:08 (define-memo-function lambda-lifted-f ...) (let ((outer ...)) (labels ((f (x) (lambda-lifted-f outer x))) ...)) 18:09:24 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-84-192.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:10:05 *bhyde* can't stop giggling at Shinmera's example  sad how i recall writing similar horrors 18:11:03 To be fair, it was my first attempt at writing out my solution for a problem I had been working on for months. As I said, it's not refactored into a nice, extensible and only single-comma version. 18:11:06 zfx [~zfx@host86-134-175-102.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:11:11 *now 18:11:25 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:27 I briefly had triple-nested comma code in xcvb, but bailed out when I found fare-quasiquote was too wimpy to handle it (fare-qq was fixed since). 18:12:03 Fare - i think i'll continue to pretend I'm happy with how things are https://gist.github.com/bhyde/9234205 18:13:29 you probably should declare the function not-inline if you use memoize on it. 18:13:46 what about using define-memo-function instead? 18:14:15 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 18:15:22 -!- Fare [vQZ0@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15:41 hm, i'd not noticed that the name in define-memo-function can be a list  yeah that's better 18:17:27 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.16.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:54 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.16.1] has joined #lisp 18:22:29 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.16.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:32 Fare - the other place i'm using the M is to cache web API results, having N tables let's me reset stages in the processing pipeline, or entire sources  e.g (clrhash *census-data-dictionary-stuff*) 18:23:05 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:09 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.125.52.218] has joined #lisp 18:28:56 how can I call a function on an object that's listed as an argument on the backtrace in sldb? 18:29:57 Krystof: swankR uses presentations for the chart-displaying stuff  right? 18:29:57 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:30:14 MoALTz_ [~no@user-188-33-56-186.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:30:59 -!- MoALTz [~no@user-188-33-56-186.play-internet.pl] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:15 slyrus: are you in the raw sbcl debugger on in swank's debugger? 18:33:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:33:41 abcl :) slime debugger 18:34:45 i've not used that for years, but with luck you open the frame in question and type the letter e 18:34:58 the expression you give can refer to any locals of that frame 18:35:09 presuming you compiled with enough debugablity 18:35:27 and presuming these wonders are supproted by abcl 18:35:38 locals are "??" = "??" 18:35:48 perhaps this isn't supported by abcl 18:36:38 bicgena [uid11626@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwrvpvckbwymewqz] has joined #lisp 18:36:41 slyrus: you can always try declaring (optimize (debug 3) (speed 0)) 18:37:52 I'm entering the debugger from an exception handler that's fielding an error in java code called from lisp. I'd like a java exception stack trace, in addition to the lisp backtrace but I don't think sprinkling debug declarations is going to get that for me. 18:38:04 ah 18:38:18 *jasom* doesn't know abcl nearly well enough to make suggestions for that 18:39:07 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:40:12 slyrus: one ting at a time eh? if your lisp code was compiled with something other than (optimize (debug 3) (speed 0)) declaimed then it's unsurprising that you can't see the locals 18:40:57 hrm... but the lisp functions at the top of the stack aren't "mine", their ABCL's error handling infrastructure 18:41:02 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:09 m6502 [~user@lisp.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 18:41:12 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:50 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:42:01 and it's not at all 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function leaves the previous definition untouched - http://paste.lisp.org/display/141391 19:42:21 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:42:24 Is that a bug in mysql? a subtlety? 19:42:35 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:42:47 Fare: basically the way encoding is controlled in MySQL seems to be with SET NAMES and SET character_set_results, not by trusting the column meta-data 19:42:53 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:42:54 andares_ [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined #lisp 19:43:06 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:43:11 ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 19:43:12 I think that you can have meta-data saying 'latin1' with data actually sent in as uft8 19:43:24 does not compute, but oh well 19:43:31 what's the point of meta-data? 19:43:35 to be interpreted as in "latin1 storage, but you asked me to send in utf8 didn't you?" 19:43:48 so meta-data controls how it's stored, but that's different from how it's communicated? 19:44:04 I wish I knew 19:44:04 anything I learn about MySQL is a case in logic... beaten up 19:44:09 Fare: that's my current understanding 19:44:17 :-/ 19:44:20 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:44:30 I coulnd't think of another semi-logic way to understand all of that 19:44:40 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:44:46 it makes sense somehow, no app wants to manage different encodings within the same resultset 19:44:51 (my guess) 19:44:53 so 19:44:54 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:45:06 semi makes sense. 19:45:22 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:45:36 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:45:50 I think qmynd should care about the encoding in the communication (character_set_results and the other) and that's about it 19:45:55 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:46:09 qiemem [uid14911@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wciwwjqbvylzfeot] has joined #lisp 19:46:10 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:46:16 https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/charset-connection.html 19:46:25 AeroNotix_ [~AeroNotix@37.139.18.183] has joined #lisp 19:46:30 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:46:43 -!- The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:47:04 The-Mad-Pirate-2 [The-Mad-Pi@181.165.233.90] has joined #lisp 19:47:09 I guess there's a portable-enough way to enforce or assess the encoding used on the MySQL stream for sending data? 19:47:36 -!- izirku_ [~IceChat9@sys-its-g56vnw1-yev.cc.unt.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:47:36 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:47:36 -!- mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:47:36 -!- 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