00:00:38 -!- Vaporatorius [~vaporator@55.Red-88-5-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:52 amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-241-98.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 00:02:25 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:05:05 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 00:06:49 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:09:06 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 00:09:13 ubikation [~user@c-67-166-81-173.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:09:47 to my understanding, continuations are built into javascript and scheme, but not cl right? but there is a cl-cont? 00:11:57 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:59 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 00:12:33 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:14:08 *Adlai* has never heard of js continuations 00:14:10 <_death> ubikation: javascript has no support for continuations.. 00:14:20 <_death> ubikation: there's cl-cont, arnesi, etc. 00:14:39 *Adlai* was hoping to learn something today :( 00:15:08 bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 00:15:22 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:29 -!- bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 00:15:32 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15:50 bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 00:16:05 -!- frx [~a@31.45.225.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:07 Adlai: I'll explain them to you in #lispcafe if you like 00:16:14 http://matt.might.net/articles/by-example-continuation-passing-style/ 00:16:47 what sort of questions should I ask on #lisp vs #lispcafe? 00:16:59 ubikation: #lisp is specifically about common-lisp 00:17:29 jasom: ah 00:17:29 <_death> ubikation: continuation-passing style is just that - a style.. it's not what I consider "support" or "built in" 00:17:30 since CPS is at best tangentially related to common lisp, seek other channels for in-depth discussion 00:18:31 ubikation: continuations like in that article are fine to do in common lisp 00:19:07 I've tried reading that article and it seemed sort of understandable... but then I was looking at cl-cont and it seemed complicated as hell 00:19:10 ubikation: however, a bounded or unbounded continuation as a first class object is not part of common lisp 00:19:56 oanufriev [~user@109.87.32.226] has joined #lisp 00:20:22 wheras it is in scheme 00:20:52 cl-cont will automatically rewrite your code into CPS 00:21:15 which allows a call/cc in lisp without having to manually write everything in CPS as that article suggests 00:21:32 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:35 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-241-98.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:21:56 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:22:25 jasom: thank you for the explanation; I've always had difficulty with cps 00:24:28 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 00:25:46 also, in slime, is there an easier way to move between parentheses? 00:25:53 ubikation: Once you get your head around tail-call-elimination then CPS becomes a lot more clear 00:25:54 err I mean editinga cl file 00:26:33 davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:35 <|3b|> ubikation: paredit adds some nice sexp navigation keys 00:26:37 jasom: thanks, I'll focus on that for now 00:30:01 ubikation: and as I offered to Adlai, I would be happy to talk about CPS &ct in #lispcafe 00:30:44 *Adlai* sees message and joins 00:31:29 cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.67.54] has joined #lisp 00:31:29 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.67.54] has quit [Changing host] 00:31:29 cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #lisp 00:32:43 Tyler [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 00:33:03 -!- zz_karupanerura is now known as karupanerura 00:33:07 -!- Tyler is now known as Guest46459 00:33:29 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@179.208.163.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:43 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:58 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37:00 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.131.222.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:30 -!- Guest46459 [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Client Quit] 00:37:36 guardianx [guardian@124-148-63-173.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 00:37:43 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:46 -!- bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:40:07 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:41:55 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 00:44:15 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@static-96-239-100-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 00:47:15 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49:43 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:49:47 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.16.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:50:08 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.16.53] has joined #lisp 00:54:46 JuniorRoy [~dev-fedor@217.118.79.22] has joined #lisp 00:55:49 kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:10 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:00:10 kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 01:00:43 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:11 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.95.158] has joined #lisp 01:02:29 zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:57 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC62E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:04 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 01:10:08 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:505b:d1d0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:09 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:22 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:02 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:34 -!- bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21:55 frx [~a@31.45.225.178] has joined #lisp 01:22:00 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.171.114] has quit [Quit: Bye..] 01:23:03 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-163-187.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:18 bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:43 eli [~eli@lambda.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:25:43 -!- eli [~eli@lambda.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 01:25:43 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 01:32:00 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 01:33:07 -!- ckoch786 [~ckoch786@ne102611l.eng.utoledo.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:40 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 01:35:07 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 01:36:16 something wonky is happening with cl-csv and antik 01:36:58 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 01:37:40 Why do i always get LaTex error: tex(sin(x),[x,-1,1]); => LaTeX error in: \mathbf{false} ? 01:39:27 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:39:50 i wish i could help but i only know common lisp and this is #lisp 01:41:16 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g229204190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:33 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 01:45:38 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.95.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:38 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.95.158] has joined #lisp 01:47:40 yeah, hope somebody here used Maxima 01:48:22 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.241] has joined #lisp 01:52:24 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:25 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:12 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 01:54:20 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.95.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:04 -!- nialo is now known as bcoburn_ 01:55:06 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:59 dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:00 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:19 zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-37.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 01:57:23 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(afaict they should give the same value) 02:35:37 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.60.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:38:27 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:53 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:40:25 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41:28 <|3b|> bcoburn_: probably depends on the compiler, and what it knows about the type of val 02:41:30 jhao [~junhao@pool-72-76-190-214.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:50 <|3b|> and whether it knows only 1 value is used 02:42:29 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:45:03 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f69ac5.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:48:20 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c003.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:53 how are futures implemented (like in eager-future) without continuations? 02:51:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:04 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 02:53:23 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:55:17 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:18 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-37.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: zajn] 03:01:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:14 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 03:02:27 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-xlvorbinnmsrckzb] has joined #lisp 03:02:27 -!- jhao [~junhao@pool-72-76-190-214.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jhao] 03:03:53 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:05:42 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:20 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:12:01 bcoburn_: I suggest checking the resulting C/assembly code and/or to run profiling or custom time+loop tests... also consider testing using LOGAND (although take care of the slightly different semantics of course) 03:12:41 bcoburn_: and as |3b| mentioned, use type annotations and as needed set the optimize level for that code 03:12:52 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.60.90] has joined #lisp 03:13:13 s/level/levels/ 03:14:12 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 03:19:20 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 03:23:36 jhao [~junhao@pool-72-76-190-214.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:53 -!- bcoburn_ [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:28:56 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I noticed that a lot of libraries use bordeaux-threads, but I really like the atomic-* stuff that portable-threads has. Is that a reasonable thing to want? 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[~Neptu@252.67.24.31.static.mrfriday.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:26:52 hello again! sorry but I was disconnected. I like the atomic-* features of portable-threads but I know a lot of libraries depend on bordeaux-threads. Should I used portable-threads? 09:27:00 used/use 09:27:38 cods [~cods@tuxee.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:02 -!- kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-24.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:32:51 diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 09:32:56 ubikation: Really depends on your needs. 09:32:58 Neptu [~Neptu@252.67.24.31.static.mrfriday.com] has joined #lisp 09:37:48 -!- zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:43:01 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-maygivcxupcbsiab] has joined #lisp 09:43:48 przl_ [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:46:42 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:48:11 -!- chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:17 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 09:51:07 -!- chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Client Quit] 09:52:05 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:02:53 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:add0:6828:5f13:81f8] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:05:27 -!- JuniorRoy [~dev-fedor@217.118.79.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:41 bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 10:07:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:09:08 jewel [~jewel@41.53.146.168] has joined #lisp 10:13:10 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 10:17:33 ubikation: what do you need atomic-* stuff for? 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Could somebody look at http://paste.lisp.org/+30VD and tell me why it doesn't compile with sbcl? 12:07:54 knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has joined #lisp 12:07:55 it would be so helpful if you provided a specific error message 12:08:07 i mean, it would be so helpful for you to get a quicker answer 12:08:20 besides, why do you use do? it is so confusing. 12:08:57 H4ns: Thanks for your advice. I shall create another paste. 12:09:16 you could also just annotate the one you created 12:09:41 H4ns: Thanks, I'll try to do it. Not done annotations before. 12:11:27 H4ns: Try +30VD/1 12:12:04 count the parentheses in the last line 12:12:16 you may want to use an editor that helps you placing parentheses correctly 12:12:37 H4ns: As a Lisp novice, I don't know any other iterative form. Not familiar with (loop...) 12:12:59 Poenikatu: you can learn it. 12:13:28 Poenikatu: i never use do and i avoid having to read code that does 12:14:32 H4ns: Sure, that's what I am trying to do. I've read Graham's ACL and now I want to read PCL, but the footnotes are too many for me to alter the HTML code to make them active. So I need some functions to make that work. 12:14:34 Yeah, DO is confusing. 12:15:19 Poenikatu: "alter HTML code to make them active"? 12:15:23 H4ns: I'm using Emacs 24, and the parentheses seem to be alright 12:15:53 hitecnologys: Yes, I want to be able to click on a footnote number and be taken to the footnote. 12:16:47 H4ns: So what do you use instead of DO? 12:16:52 Poenikatu: well, it works without any modifications of sources for me. 12:17:03 hitecnologys: What does? 12:17:04 -!- askatasu1 [~askatasun@host27.190-138-56.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:17:07 -!- diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:17:11 Poenikatu: footnotes. 12:17:23 hitecnologys: In Practical Common Lisp? 12:17:55 Poenikatu: as far as I remember, yes, they worked fine. 12:18:04 Poenikatu: do you have JS enabled? 12:20:23 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:20:43 <_death> Poenikatu: your error has nothing to do with DO 12:21:53 <_death> Poenikatu: it has to do with the last clause of the CASE, which is OUT.. likely want it pulled out of the CASE. 12:22:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:23:43 <_death> also, you may want to use OTHERWISE instead of (OTHERWISE).. the former will give you an otherwise-clause 12:24:35 hitecnologys: I'm using iceweasel and I cannot find where it is set. 12:24:36 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:26:10 Poenikatu: ah, I see. I prefer elinks/lynx so can't help much with iceweasel. 12:26:10 -!- Wukix` [~user@173-228-55-74.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:46 Thanks guys. Yes, indeed, out was the last clause of the case and with that altered, and "(otherwise)" replaced by "otherwise", it compiles Ok. 12:27:03 Wukix` [~user@173-228-55-74.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 12:28:15 hitecnologys: Hm. I'll check out elinks. Looks interesting. 12:30:04 Poenikatu: it even has some kind of JS and CSS support. 12:32:37 hitecnologys: Unfortunately, not being too mobile, I have to do all my shopping online, and that means being able to see pictures of what I'm buying. Elinks doesn't show pictures, does it? 12:34:10 Poenikatu: not on its own. You have to use external utilities like xli or feh to display them. If you need to view much pictures, console browsers it definitely not what you are looking for. 12:35:06 hitecnologys: I agree. 12:39:10 -!- Poenikatu [~user@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has left #lisp 12:39:22 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pybhwdelvuvhxevk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:40:29 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-qcnyzimskqvexzfz] has joined #lisp 12:44:58 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:46:22 askatasuna [~askatasun@host27.190-138-56.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 12:46:35 jerrychow [~jerrychow@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:46:35 -!- jerrychow [~jerrychow@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:05 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:07 Does anyone know why emacs freaks the hell out when I place opening parenthesis as the first character on a line, even if it is in a multi-line comment or a string? When I put a space or anything before it it works fine again. 12:50:19 Though I should probably ask in #emacs. 12:50:59 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-39-191.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52:05 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52:52 The indentation stuff considers it to be the beginning of a top-level form, I think 12:53:24 Well it's not just the indentation, the colouring gets screwed too. 12:53:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:54:03 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:54:13 Probably the syntax colouring too. 12:54:40 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.221] has joined #lisp 12:54:53 I'm not sure whether there is a workaround. 12:55:01 (Other than good ol' "don't do that".) 12:55:17 I guess I'll just have to use spaces/deal with it. 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What we were looking for! 15:28:47 http://j.gs/3Nkb :D 15:28:48 Ups, wrong channel 15:28:48 Sorry, I'm Leaving, Bye! 15:28:54 -!- MellissaTheBest_ [~MellissaT@201-212-232-188.net.prima.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:45 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 15:32:04 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:33:45 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@bi1.roaming.dfn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:37:13 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 15:38:58 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:40:52 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:16 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.119.183] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 15:43:37 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.105.153] has joined #lisp 15:43:43 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@24-158-53-204.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:30 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 15:45:35 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:46:24 hiroakip [~hiroaki@bi1.roaming.dfn.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:38 -!- jchelary_ [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:08 jewel [~jewel@105-236-88-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:50:48 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@bi1.roaming.dfn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:51:01 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 15:51:44 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.27.11] has joined #lisp 15:51:46 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-201-0.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:59:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:56 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:00:59 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:01:37 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:04:30 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Client Quit] 16:04:38 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:49 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 16:04:52 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:06:09 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:06:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:06:47 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-88-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:38 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:08:26 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:41 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 16:12:45 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:22 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-236-135.w109-215.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:13:34 Good evening everyone! 16:16:37 hi beach 16:17:02 Shinmera: what Xach said about workarounds; it's because the emacs "parser" has a very loose heuristic that every column 0 ( is a toplevel defun starter, regardless of the context. Which obviously breaks everything when it happens to be inside a string. That's exactly why you see all elisp docstrings use \(foo) 16:17:07 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:07 hey beach 16:17:34 stassats: i have removed the bogus meetings from planet lisp 16:17:37 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:17:40 beach: apologies about not pushing anything your way still, I got awfully sidetracked by other things needing to be done and written 16:17:44 hej beach 16:18:00 mathrick: Not a problem. 16:18:14 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:18:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:24 Xach: good, i guess 16:19:49 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:19 More than good! It is a cause for jubilation! 16:20:37 Xach: i'd be more happy if https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues/631 got resolved 16:21:22 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@75-168-140-94.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 16:22:18 It will be resolved soon 16:22:36 So much jubilation then 16:23:06 very fix much happiness 16:23:10 anyone have a good roundup of the various lispy database libraries? 16:23:12 ...sorry. 16:23:12 Xach: Its resolved now, right? Just not closed until the next QL release? 16:23:24 sellout-: that is my usual policy, yes 16:23:43 slyrus: the only generic one i know of is clsql 16:23:46 Yeah, I wish more bug trackers distinguished between the two. 16:23:53 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:57 maybe some jubilation, i'm still not using quicklisp 16:24:05 launchpad has fix committed/fix released 16:24:12 slyrus: I don't, but I highly recommend "Clobber"! :) 16:24:16 stassats: any particular reason why not? 16:24:28 loke_erc: no particular reason to use it 16:24:37 slyrus: if you feel adventurous, cl-perec. But be warned that it's hungarian software, which means it's macro-heavy and you get unit tests for documentation most of the time 16:24:49 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.28.218] has joined #lisp 16:25:36 slyrus: http://pinterface.livejournal.com/34706.html <-- not particularly up to date, but should still give you a good idea about how to consume it 16:25:52 Xach: Oh, Vecto question  I have an image, and I want to truncate it to an arbitrary polygon  do I make a clip-path and then fill it somehow? 16:26:05 thanks beach and mathrick 16:26:15 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:26:26 sellout-: it's too late by then - the clipping path has to be done first 16:26:51 beach: I must admit I still don't know what clobber actually does and doesn't. I read the docs and looked at the examples, but the "generic about the store format" part still confuses me 16:27:28 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:44 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 16:28:08 mathrick: Essentially, it stores pairs. 16:28:25 mathrick: So it is independent of how you represent your model. 16:28:52 mathrick: Therefore, the model can change while the log is still valid. 16:29:01 question re. structures: I'm trying to set the value of a slot, where the name of the slot/slot accessor is determined dynamically... 16:29:12 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:19 slot-value isn't supposed to work on structures 16:29:25 beach: ah, as long as you keep constructors around that can still make sense of the initargs supplied that is? 16:29:25 I really like rucksack, but I don't know how well it's supported now 16:29:31 slyrus: ^^ 16:29:33 mathrick: Exactly! 16:30:06 -!- rk[imposter] [~rkimposte@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:21 Xach: Yeah, thats what I was afraid of. So, then, Im thinking, create a polygon that contains everything _except_ the part I want to keep, and fill that. Any simpler approach? 16:30:26 sandbender1512: if it's a structure and not a class, you'll need to use the structure accessors 16:30:26 ie: (defun putval (accessorname) (setf (funcall (intern accessorname)) "newvalue")) 16:30:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:40 beach: I guess that's one way of attacking the problem. Perec actually has a lot of support for encoding the time axis in the DB, but last I checked, doing actual schema migrations wasn't its strong suit 16:30:40 mathrick: Furthermore, I don't have to store information that is only of "tactical" value, i.e., information that can be computed dynamically. 16:30:41 sandbender1512: ew. 16:30:52 "migrations" are another way of looking at the problem 16:30:58 sandbender1512: maybe you should just use clos objects? 16:31:02 first, it'll break the minute you try to use it from a different package 16:31:25 H4ns: hrm, good point 16:31:39 (sorry CL noob here) 16:31:39 sandbender1512: (case slot-name (slot-a (setf (slot-a struct) "newval")) ...) 16:31:40 mathrick: I see. Sorry, I can't compare, because I haven't studied Perec. 16:31:44 second, slot-value will work with structures, even though it's not supposed to 16:31:59 stassats: can you really depend on that? 16:32:11 beach: it's one of the most complex packages around, so that's perfectly understandable :) 16:32:19 can you depend on implementations not being intentionally obnoxious? 16:32:37 your approach certainly makes it hard to have the code and the schema diverge, which is a very good property 16:32:38 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32:41 stassats: hmmm. *glaces at GNU clisp* 16:32:41 mathrick: Also, I am allergic to relational technology. 16:33:03 dlowe: i don't care for portability to clisp anymore 16:33:40 but (slot-value (make-instance (defstruct foo (x 10) y z)) 'x) still works on clisp 16:33:58 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 16:34:16 mathrick: Yes, and I think I improved on cl-prevalence, and object prevalence in general. 16:34:17 pierpa [~user@host106-247-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:34:28 [provided I understood those right, that is] 16:35:15 beach: I can see not wanting to touch relational tech, though *some* approach to it is sometimes needed. There truly are cases where you cannot just keep everything in the working set 16:35:25 dlowe: yeah that'd work, I suppose I'm just trying to be pedantically DRY here/avoid having to hard-code all the cases 16:35:25 descender [~heh@cm160.omega157.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 16:36:03 mathrick: Sure, there are some big databases around, but as memory gets bigger, the cases where they are actually too big become fewer. 16:37:11 beach: the cases in which I actually touch DBs are usually in the context of wobsights with lots of user-generated content, and I've learnt that those tend to get out of hand while you aren't looking 16:37:22 perhaps it's premature optimisation to make relational from the get go 16:37:49 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has joined #lisp 16:37:51 Yes, maybe so. I don't know. 16:38:13 OTOH, migrating *to* an RDBMS while your code is under pressure because it can no longer keep up with the load sounds like even less fun than writing it for an RDBMS in the first place 16:38:18 relational doesn't preclude from being in-memory 16:38:23 and so is the reverse 16:38:45 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 16:39:28 stassats: It's hard to find a reliable, performant on-disk non relational system though. 16:39:47 I guess there's hstore 16:40:01 stassats: it doesn't, but if you're in-memory, you can just as well use the freedom to have convenient, native object access without going through relational hoops 16:40:07 jasom: there are some. Expensive as hell, though 16:40:09 -!- jdz_ is now known as jdz 16:40:30 mathrick: as long as the GC doesn't know about those objects 16:40:58 actually I haven't tried sbcl with gigantic heaps, how does it perform? 16:41:05 I'm thinking 8GB or larger... 16:41:26 dunno actually, does clobber even try to hide away from the GC? 16:41:28 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:34 Also, with a 64-bit machine and a large swap partition, performance should be comparable I would think. 16:41:37 dlowe: I liked the idea of rucksack but not the performance of it... 16:41:47 eraaij [~eraaij@dhcp-089-099-104-233.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 16:41:52 beach: large swap partition ain't good 16:42:12 H4ns: Why is that? 16:42:14 jasom: as long as your heap is < 256GB you're fine 16:42:14 jasom: i use more than 10 regularly. no noticable gc pauses, but the system is not very interactive. 16:42:15 many databases don't like OS memory management 16:42:18 I know mallard does, but mallard is really a C lib underneath relying on mmap() to hide the store from the GC 16:42:43 beach: you don't want to swap at all if you're dealing with multi gigabyte working sets, as that will always be too slow. 16:42:50 jasom: Why would you want to hide your objects from the GC? 16:42:52 fe[nl]ix: good to know; I recall hearing about ITA having to hide their DB from the GC a few years gback 16:43:15 jasom: or you could have fun embedding ECL into Postgres 16:43:20 beach: because a lot of GC algorithms have pauses of length directly releated to the number of large objects 16:43:21 H4ns: Having a large swap space and actually swapping (or rather paging) are two different things. 16:43:39 s/large/live 16:43:39 jasom: Oh, I am not considering bad GC algorithms. 16:43:45 beach: well. having a large swap partition and not using it is good for... what? 16:44:00 beach: except for coping with kernels that are stupid? 16:44:02 there was that japanese guy complaining that SBCL's GC is slow on a 4TB heap :D 16:44:12 H4ns: I imagine if you have a large database, most objects will not be in the working set, but only consulted rarely. 16:44:40 maybe SBCL isn't numa-aware 16:45:08 beach: not if you're doing analytics where you're touching most of the data on each pass 16:45:13 beach: i'd still thinkt that relying on the kernel to swap wisely is not going to give good results. in my experience, i keep my in-memory database smaller than the available physical memory and avoid swapping. 16:45:13 QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:15 circa 1008 I recall JVM having severe issues with a 2GB heap 16:45:23 2008 rather 16:45:29 fe[nl]ix: But then an on-disk relational database would be equally bad or worse. 16:46:00 jasom: We've used 24GB heaps, but as an app server it's hard to guage exactly what the effects were 16:46:04 (on sbcl) 16:46:16 beach: not necessarily 16:46:21 kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-24.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:46:26 i can make sbcl gc miserable with 1GB heap 16:46:34 fe[nl]ix: How is that? 16:46:37 -!- rk[wrk] is now known as rk[] 16:46:53 beach: the kernel has no information about the data access patterns of the application and can only guess what to swap out based on heuristics. 16:47:19 beach: the application, in contrast, can make decisions on a higher level. 16:47:36 beach: but have it your way. i switch swapping off. 16:47:41 beach: also contiguous data in memory won't necessarily be contiguous on disk; many DBs store data in blocks much largerthan the page-size 16:47:44 it is a thing from the past. 16:48:03 H4ns: I am listening and taking note. Thanks! 16:48:19 I am frustrated by the antik/cl-csv problem. I think some other project is using both, then messing with the symbols somehow. 16:48:33 H4ns: I have a 1GB heap on my desktop machine; I find a lot of poorly behaved applications leave memory untouched for a while, and the extra few hundred MB of disk-cache from paging that out is useful 16:48:41 I always end up switching swapping back on, since I'm only at 8GB on most of my machines, and it's just not quite enough, especially with modern web browsers running 16:48:42 then the fasl has that reference to an antik symbol 16:48:57 are there tools to dump out the structure and objects of an sbcl fasl in some way for debugging? 16:49:10 Xach: add (:lock t) to defpackage 16:49:17 stassats: ok 16:50:03 Phoodus: you want swap anyway, as your memory can be used for better things than holding application memory for eternally-sleeping applications 16:50:14 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@70-89-202-126-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:25 not if you've got enough memory where it's not an issue 16:50:31 i have no swap with 4GB, and it's alright 16:50:35 *H4ns* has enough memory 16:50:46 stassats: it could be better :-) 16:51:09 i doubt that 16:51:17 http://report.quicklisp.org/cl-csv/2014-01-31/failtail.txt is the backtrace, but I don't know how to interpret that in a useful way. the fasl does clearly have "ANTIK" in it. but if i kill the fasl and build cl-csv independently it works fine. it's only some project that, directly or indirectly, builds cl-csv, that is causing the problem. 16:51:42 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 16:51:45 Xach: what projects depend on cl-csv? 16:51:50 loke_erc: start a runaway process and see who recovers faster :) 16:52:03 pgloader, cl-yahoo-finance, cl-csv-data-table, cl-csv-test, cl-csv-clsql 16:53:52 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:54 Xach: I dont know anything about antik, so I would doubt cl-csv-data-table, test or clsql would be involved 16:54:02 i can reproduce 16:54:02 *Xach* writes some code to find out what projects have cl-csv and antik in common 16:54:39 stassats: how? i am reproducing it with a multi-hour build process 16:55:14 i'm good at reproducing things 16:55:30 clear fasls, load antik, load cl-csv, restart, load cl-csv 16:55:38 ok, that is pretty easy, thanks. 16:58:25 if you are about to tell me the fix, i can wait a few more minutes 16:59:04 i will, once i find it 17:00:28 antik/init/iterate.lisp 17:00:55 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #lisp 17:01:35 so backquote basically just appends "list" after all left parens and quotes everything that doesn't have a comma in front? 17:01:41 and the fix would be not to butcher iterate's for, but define your own 17:02:03 theseb: Not quite because of ,@ 17:02:04 enn [~eli@codeanddata.com] has joined #lisp 17:02:37 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:38 beach: so ,@ basically is like another backquote right!? 17:02:54 theseb: No, ,@ is a splicing , 17:02:56 theseb: not even close 17:03:07 wait...i thought ,@ was for list params 17:03:18 nope 17:03:22 theseb: So the list might end up with a different number of elements that the original one. 17:03:24 it's for splicing 17:03:33 oops 17:03:43 Xach: i'm not really eager to report it, so, i hope you will 17:03:47 theres .,@, ,.@ 17:04:09 theseb: `(foo ,@(list bar baz)) => (foo bar baz) 17:04:28 I would not run into it if I ran each system build with a fresh fasl cache 17:04:38 But that takes a prohibitively long time 17:05:40 redefining third party packages is bad enough, but putting your own symbols there is doubly bad 17:06:16 LiamH: What's the best way to report this issue for antik? 17:07:04 *LiamH* blinks 17:08:47 You can always send to antik-devel mailing list, but I'm not sure what the issue is yet. 17:09:14 hijacking the iterate clauses 17:09:17 pmai`` [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:09:29 Ah 17:09:34 Oh, I have a question that I asked the other day, but I am not confident that I got the right answer: Who is maintaining common-lisp.net these days? 17:09:35 -!- bcoburn [~yaaic@66-87-116-131.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:42 nobody? 17:09:51 Hmm 17:10:00 It's not called "hijacking" though, it's called "defining your own iterator" 17:10:17 well, it doesn't define its own, that's the problem 17:10:21 LiamH: but it ends up putting antik symbols in unrelated packages that use iterate 17:10:32 cl-csv is affected 17:11:47 Xach: i was reading about you on a web site of famous lispers yesterday! 17:11:47 So, if nobody is maintaining cl.net, what is the action to take? Move away from it and let it die? Try to find a maintainer? Who should the new person contact, of so? 17:12:05 -!- scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 17:12:13 -!- pmai` [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:12:25 I have a bunch of defclause-driver and defmacro-driver, thought they were written correctly (contributed by someone else). 17:12:27 wow!! 17:12:55 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:13:24 beach: it will be back under normal maintenance soon. 17:13:26 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:40 H4ns: Oh, good! Thanks! 17:13:42 beach: we're already on it, but it takes time to migrate. 17:13:55 Sure. I was just worried that nobody cared. 17:15:05 Xach: from my reading of famous lispers.....Paul Graham gets the press but ITA seems like an even sexier Lisp success story.....plus they got bought for about $1B....yahoo didn't pay Paul Graham that much 17:15:44 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:53 i'm sure somebody will buy quicklisp for $2B 17:16:57 Xach: I'm going to have to look at this later. How soon are you planning to do a release? 17:17:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:29 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:17:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:37 stassats: yes i did read about quicklisp...are you serious? 17:17:57 stassats: but why would google want to "buy" an open source project? 17:18:01 -!- doomlord__ [~servitor@host86-160-0-80.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:01 LiamH: i hope to do it by the 9th. 17:19:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:19:50 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:17 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 17:20:29 -!- kbc_ [kbc@tuomi.oulu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:20:30 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.162.28.218] has joined #lisp 17:20:50 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.28.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:29 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:45 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-228.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:48 Xach, Oh, OK. 17:23:01 stassats: 2BTC? :) 17:23:20 So the problem is the in-package in iterate.lisp should not be :iter? 17:23:57 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:24:06 not only that, it also should redefine iter:FOR 17:24:11 should not 17:24:35 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:12 So (multiple-value-bind (x y z) (values 1 2 3)) is supposed to return nil - not (values 1 2 3)? 17:25:19 yes 17:25:58 stassats: Hmm, I thought that it was defining a particular for clause, matrix-element, etc. 17:26:00 Got it - that's what mine did and I thought it was wrong and sbcl also returns nil which I still thought was wrong - but its right - Huzzah! 17:26:04 kbc [kbc@tuomi.oulu.fi] has joined #lisp 17:26:32 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Quit: zajn] 17:26:54 So it should be (iter:defmacro-driver (grid:FOR element matrix-element matrix)...) ? 17:27:46 -!- nha [~prefect@89.204.137.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:27:57 i have no idea how iterate is supposed to work 17:27:59 Xach: is there also an SBCL fasl problem here? 17:28:21 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-rqxmqygrxxtyzqhm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:45 slyrus: loading a fasl referencing undefined packages? 17:29:59 not really SBCL's problem 17:30:05 -!- jdz [~jdz@212.36.34.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:03 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:32:15 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:32:53 slyrus: i don't think so 17:34:27 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.224] has joined #lisp 17:34:47 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:35:34 hrmm... might be nice if the fasl loading stuff would catch this error and give a deeper explanation of the problem 17:36:05 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: conversation expired into paranoid blackout] 17:36:48 if it reported the symbol being reference together with the package, that would be nicer 17:37:04 *stassats* takes a look at this 17:37:21 akersof [~akersof@gateway/tor-sasl/akersof] has joined #lisp 17:38:13 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:39:14 exactly 17:39:43 we want to save xach's future debugging time for tracking down other bugs 17:39:53 ggrant [~user@75-132-18-215.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:40 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-tvudfgqjcdrdiznl] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:43:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:43:59 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:44:48 ok, i can see a way 17:45:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:45:53 *Xach* waits for planet sbcl to get a new post 17:50:46 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 17:51:38 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:52:57 how about "Error while trying to find package for symbol named "X": The name "FOO" does not designate any package." 17:54:18 stassats: why not just "Error while trying to find package for symbol "FOO:X": "FOO" does not designate any package."? 17:54:29 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-228.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:24 just? you're duplicating FOO 17:55:37 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:55:48 yes, but it's easier to scan 17:56:44 stassats: if there's a sensible way to make it clear that it's related to a fasl, that would help me 17:56:53 because my default mode is to start looking at the source file 17:57:10 the backtrace makes it clear but maybe there's part of the message that could help 17:58:04 well, all other messages don't include the information about fasls, so, adding it to this one would help 17:58:10 chadhs [~textual@66.195.151.70] has joined #lisp 17:58:13 something else could be done later 17:58:24 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 17:58:28 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.162.28.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:38 Error loading fasls Error finding package... 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(iterate:defmacro-clause (FOR var IN-CSV input &optional ...)...) https://github.com/AccelerationNet/cl-csv/blob/master/csv.lisp#L406 18:18:45 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:18:50 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-228.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:54 -!- eraaij [~eraaij@dhcp-089-099-104-233.chello.nl] has left #lisp 18:22:44 and now the ANTIK error is mentioning the "+" symbol 18:25:14 -!- genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has left #lisp 18:26:22 Xach: it feels like the whole git log entry could be used on planet.sbcl 18:26:39 including the author and sha hash 18:27:16 -!- descender [~heh@cm160.omega157.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:42 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-121-166.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:29:23 -!- ggrant [~user@75-132-18-215.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:14 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:32:54 stassats: I'll look into that. i think it's using all that's available, though. 18:33:51 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 18:35:53 it probably needs a better gateway 18:36:15 Yeah, something that makes a nicer atom feed from a git log would be nice. 18:39:06 an easy way would be to do git pull and use git log -n 1 instead of fetching rss 18:39:10 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: back to work] 18:40:26 Except I already have a program to turn rss into rss but no program to do git pull and turn git log -n 1 into rss. 18:40:51 SMOP 18:42:10 If someone makes a thing like that and hosts the feed, I can update where planet sbcl pulls its info 18:43:00 github publishes an rss feed for a repository 18:44:05 it's no git log format either 18:44:50 https://github.com/dlowe-net/local-time/commits/master.atom 18:45:29 kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:35 the git wiki mentions git2rss (short perl script which is apparently meant to be customized), and gitfeed (which has a customizable format dealy and a built-in server) 18:45:39 don't know if either of those would suit 18:46:06 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:47:51 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 18:48:41 zygentoma [~kvirc@213-66-93-185-no49.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:49:43 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-236-135.w109-215.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 18:50:32 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5B2B1B3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:58 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has left #lisp 19:02:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:33 stassats: cute: Error finding package for symbol "+": The name "ANTIK" does not designate any package. 19:02:44 that's an improvement 19:03:35 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:04:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:05:48 i think maybe add a continue restart "make it uninterned", so that it can show subsequent package errors too 19:07:34 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@70-89-202-126-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 19:08:20 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:09:12 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.19.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:16 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Quit: Sleep Now] 19:09:21 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@85.110.19.2] has joined #lisp 19:09:23 davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:51 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:37 It was never interned, though? 19:12:34 it was interned when it was compiled 19:12:35 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has joined #lisp 19:13:05 that restart will continue as if it was an uninterned symbol 19:14:10 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:48 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:00 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:15:06 I still don't understand, sorry. Compilation was in a different process, wasn't it? 19:15:10 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g225179206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:15 yes 19:15:23 (possibly) 19:15:23 It's data in a fasl when the error happens. 19:15:43 the only way to proceed is to make an uninterned symbol 19:15:49 Ah, I see 19:16:23 which may horribly fail the next second, but may help diagnose other package errors, building a more complete picture 19:16:51 I misunderstood "make it uninterned" as "unintern it" rather than "make an uninterned symbol from the data", sorry. 19:17:02 That sounds interesting 19:17:14 camelCaseIsUgly [~camelcase@ip68-8-74-224.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:36 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 19:18:48 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:19:29 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:47 yrk [~user@c-76-24-229-126.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:02 -!- yrk [~user@c-76-24-229-126.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:22:02 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 19:26:01 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:26:23 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:26:29 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:29 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:33:30 meanwhile, this is an antik bug, right? 19:33:42 yes 19:34:39 -!- klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:52 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:01 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:35:06 klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:36:10 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has quit [] 19:36:18 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:25 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-248-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:40:42 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 19:41:06 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:20 seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:40 slyrus: if you understand the problem and the fix, you could help LiamH and me out a lot by peeking at it 19:41:58 i only vaguely understand the problem and i'm not sure what has to be rewritten to fix it 19:42:58 if you can tell me what sort of database library(ies) I should be using instead of rucksack, I can quit screwing around trying to evaluate various database approaches and help you debug antik :) 19:43:10 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 19:43:15 heh 19:45:46 slyrus: i wrote my own instead of trying other databases 19:46:06 trying to avoid doing that (again) 19:46:19 -!- ggole [~ggole@203-59-146-189.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:46:36 the first question is should defclause-driver be exported from iterate? 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I don't think that that is going to turn out to be related to macro hygene 20:45:04 ktx [~ktx@unaffiliated/ktx] has joined #lisp 20:46:37 -!- wall [~wall@ip92-101-254-51.onego.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:46:57 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:47:42 Vivitron: maybe not, but there's too many layers of macro/function/definition craziness for me to figure it out 20:48:15 -!- Zag [~Zag@modemcable009.239-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:42 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@85.110.19.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:30 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:590b:ad36:5e8c:99ef] has quit [Quit: EvW] 20:53:59 -!- andreh [~andreh@189.27.23.245.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:58 foeniks [~fevon@dslb-188-098-065-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:59 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:12 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:1c16:82cd:3143:7dd5] has joined #lisp 21:01:59 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:31 why do we have "(defmethod operation-done-p ((o test-op) (c (eql (find-system :alexandria)))) nil)" in alexandria's asd file? 21:02:57 camelCaseIsUgly [~camelcase@ip68-8-74-224.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:04 is that so that everytime we run the test op the tests get re-run? 21:04:00 slyrus: Yup. 21:04:30 ok, thanks 21:04:32 #f 21:04:48 -!- chadhs [~textual@66.195.151.70] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:05:24 Seems to me that there should be a method on (TEST-OP T) that does that, and then specific systems can make a more restrictive method if they want (IE, check if files have changed since the last test run or something). 21:06:19 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-242-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:07:19 Ok. is the :in-order-to/:perform args to defsystem approach preferable to defmethod forms? 21:07:32 there's supposed to be a better way now 21:07:40 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:07:46 oh, boy! 21:07:58 is it described anywhere? 21:08:58 -!- camelCaseIsUgly [~camelcase@ip68-8-74-224.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 21:09:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:11:24 kbtdmch_ [~user@host86-157-197-158.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:29 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:37 -!- MightyJoe_ [~joe@189.224.144.193] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:12:35 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:505b:d1d0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:35 MightyJoe [~joe@189.224.144.193] has joined #lisp 21:13:48 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:45 -!- kbtdmch [~user@host86-128-42-155.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:14:59 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 21:17:05 francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has joined #lisp 21:17:46 Watcher7 [~w@108.218.1.96] has joined #lisp 21:17:56 a lot of my students were impressed today by the ability of lisp to connect to statistical softwares like R and do all sort of crazy things from within lisp itself... 21:18:30 slyrus: you could always just use sqlite bindings 21:18:33 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:18:52 not if i want to use postgres 21:19:33 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:22 slyrus: you were talking about using rucksack previously. Postmodern is a lovely postgres library, though 21:20:27 slyrus: perhaps somewhere in the asdf 3.1 video? 21:20:41 ok, thanks xach 21:21:15 dlowe: yeah, I've used rucksack in the past, but the performance for 10^6 objects is pretty lousy -- or was last I checked 21:21:57 slyrus: it wouldn't surprise me. It seemed like a neat hobby project than something intended for heavy use 21:22:01 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.195.70.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22:34 ranko [~ranko@2600:1010:b027:e48e:1c6e:6ff:fe15:8f81] has joined #lisp 21:22:49 slyrus: i'm not sure. it might be in the asdf-devel archives. or i might remember wrong. 21:23:01 dlowe: it also seemed like it wouldn't take _that_ much work to find and fix the performance problem, but I never could 21:23:22 you could always email asdf-devel and take advantage of fare's knowledge before he fulfills his promise to move on from common lisp and asdf 21:23:23 slyrus: I had the similar feeling when having trouble with schema upgrades 21:24:36 -!- MightyJoe is now known as MightyOP 21:27:51 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:16 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:28:40 francogrex: what are you teaching? 21:28:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:28:59 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-121-166.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:12 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:37 -!- MightyOP is now known as cyraxjoe 21:34:35 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-228.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:23 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:36:26 data management and epidemiology 21:37:26 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:38:04 Vivitron` [~user@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:33 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:28 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:09 -!- ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:45:58 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-156-64.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:13 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:47:36 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-121-166.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 21:48:44 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:00 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 21:52:26 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54:25 ubikation` [~user@c-67-166-81-173.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:19 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:55:40 could someone help me understand the ycombinator in common lisp? http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Y_combinator#Common_Lisp 21:56:32 specifically I don't understand the two lambda declarations... ((lambda (x) ...) (lambda (y) ...)) 21:56:59 so basically no clue 21:57:39 -!- genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has left #lisp 21:57:44 -!- cyraxjoe is now known as MightyOP 21:57:58 ubikation`: try ((lambda (x) (+ 1 x) 5) at a repl near you 21:58:02 damn 21:58:20 ((lambda (x) (+ 1 x)) 5) ;; rather 21:58:58 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:59 I think I get how that evaluates... so the first lambda takes the second one as an argument... 22:03:37 (funcname 123) ((lambda ...) 123) 22:03:44 it's just a different way of specifying what's being called 22:04:01 you can literally stuff a complete lambda form as the function to be called in a sexpr 22:05:42 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-179-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:53 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:08:47 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:59 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:28 KaiQ [~localhost@p5B2B1B3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:11:51 -!- ranko [~ranko@2600:1010:b027:e48e:1c6e:6ff:fe15:8f81] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:12:17 ranko [~ranko@147.sub-70-197-4.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:03 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:01 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:23 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:16:25 ubikation`: of course... from what I'm seeing now, you could be able to use anonymous functions that call themself (even without having a name) in order to "implement" recursion. 22:17:17 or, maybe better, into recursive programs. 22:18:39 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:56 s/themself/themselves/ 22:21:17 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:08 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:25:55 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:19 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.27.11] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:54 is there a good slime/sldb tutorial about stepping through a function? 22:27:35 -!- bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:27:38 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:04 bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:23 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.105.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:32:23 Zag [~Zag@modemcable009.239-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:36:43 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has joined #lisp 22:36:55 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Quit: Sleep Now] 22:37:05 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.171.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37:53 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:05 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-121-166.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:38:23 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 22:41:18 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:59 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:42:26 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has joined #lisp 22:44:07 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:19 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 22:50:20 -!- cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:44 -!- foeniks [~fevon@dslb-188-098-065-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:51:59 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:53 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:54:21 neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 22:55:26 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has joined #lisp 22:55:48 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Quit: Sleep Now] 22:56:23 -!- kbtdmch_ [~user@host86-157-197-158.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:50 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:11 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:30 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 22:59:42 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:09 minion: memo for theseb: but viaweb was written in _clisp_, while ITA uses sbcl and C++. 23:00:10 Remembered. I'll tell theseb when he/she/it next speaks. 23:00:47 minion: memo for theseb: so if clisp is good enough to make millions, who needs sbcl, but the greedy who wants billions? :-) 23:00:47 Remembered. I'll tell theseb when he/she/it next speaks. 23:01:22 askatasuna [~askatasun@host242.186-108-111.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:01:26 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:12 -!- iwilcox is now known as iwilcox- 23:07:20 -!- iwilcox- is now known as iwilcox 23:07:41 -!- iwilcox is now known as iwi|cox 23:07:45 -!- iwi|cox is now known as iwilcox_ 23:07:49 -!- iwilcox_ is now known as iwiIcox 23:07:55 -!- iwiIcox is now known as gribb|e 23:07:59 -!- gribb|e is now known as iwilcox` 23:08:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:08:59 -!- iwilcox` is now known as iwiIcox` 23:09:06 -!- iwiIcox` is now known as iwiIcox_ 23:09:09 -!- iwiIcox_ is now known as iwilcox 23:09:47 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has left #lisp 23:10:13 francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has joined #lisp 23:11:19 cl-stepper is great, I don't need to switch between sbcl and clisp everytime I have to dissect a problemtic function anymore 23:11:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:15 francogrex: yep. And it could be made greater. I mean, it could be turned into a full debugger. 23:12:29 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:44 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:14:15 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 23:14:16 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:14:25 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:59 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:05 pjb: just a hypothetical question... what if it can replace step in for example ccl to be used as core step function? 23:15:36 it will need your agreement of course but just thinking out loud here... 23:15:38 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-184-249.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:40 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:05 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 23:16:15 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:23 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has joined #lisp 23:17:13 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.117.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:28 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 23:18:50 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.189.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:38 fmeyer [~fmeyer@179.208.163.134] has joined #lisp 23:21:03 oxum [~oxum@122.164.120.248] has joined #lisp 23:21:41 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:22:25 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23:33 -!- ranko [~ranko@147.sub-70-197-4.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:51 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:25:14 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:24 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZ] 23:26:15 vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:b:d14b:33cf:8480:959d] has joined #lisp 23:27:04 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:505b:d1d0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 23:27:08 minion: memo for francogrex: integrating it into ccl could be considered, but I'm not sure ccl maintainers would want it, for several reason. One of it, is that it's a source level stepper; they'd probably want an implementation working without transforming the source, but working directly with the binary code generated by ccl. 23:27:08 Remembered. I'll tell francogrex when he/she/it next speaks. 23:31:51 bcoburn_ [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:59 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:25 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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