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I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 00:45:08 -!- zz_karupanerura is now known as karupanerura 00:45:08 joneshf-work [~joneshf@c-98-238-144-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:23 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:57 -!- Abby22 [~Abby22@77.231.59.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:18 JuniorRoy [~dev-fedor@217.118.79.22] has joined #lisp 00:46:50 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:46:50 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 00:47:29 whoa, NSFW last link 00:47:45 -!- percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has quit [Quit: percopal] 00:48:50 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51:56 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:18 jhao [~junhao@pool-72-76-190-214.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:53:38 jangle [~jimmy1984@pool-108-15-111-28.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:29 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.193.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:56:10 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@pool-108-15-111-28.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:58:29 Lots of spam along those lines the past few days 00:59:34 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4db4e54a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:07 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db428f9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:22 jangle [~jimmy1984@pool-108-15-111-28.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:09 and they go off too quickly to ban 01:04:10 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4db4e54a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:13 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@c-98-238-144-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:35 -!- atgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-105-78.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:48 crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #lisp 01:04:55 any suggestions how to get cl-html5-parser together with plexippus-xpath? the former has a few commits which tried(?) to use the cxml dom, but it has been removed again 01:07:14 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9F593.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:11 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:12:38 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.90.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13:33 ferada: I successfully passed the result of (xmls:toxml (cl-html5-parser:node-to-xmls (cl-html5-parser:parse-html5 drakma-result)) to cxml:parse to get stp for a one off scrape I did. Not sure if there's any sanity in that or if it will work with xpath. 01:16:21 wow, well yes, that could actually work 01:16:38 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:52 Pangaea [~Chilled@unaffiliated/roomlink/x-6100839] has joined #lisp 01:17:12 maybe i can still get it to directly produce a workable dom for xpath 01:18:03 hi can somone pleae run/execute a lisp script for me.. i dont have a clue how to code or how to use it.. somone made a script to auto generate a list of funny game ideas. but hes gone off line and ive been battleing for the past hour trying to work out how the heck i run lisp stuff 01:20:13 hello 01:20:20 can somone help me please 01:20:37 How? 01:20:56 why? 01:21:03 -!- mrpat [~mrpat@pool-108-16-92-91.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:21:12 i wnt here and pasted the stupid code in the text box on left: http://www.compileonline.com/execute_lisp_online.php 01:21:26 when i press execute all; i see in the righ box is: 01:21:47 paste the code to paste.lisp.org and share the link 01:21:51 Executing the program.... 01:21:51 $clisp main.lisp 01:22:04 i have it already pasted in pastebin is ok? 01:22:22 im sorry that im not a coder or anything i just havent a clue how to work this 01:22:42 Where? 01:22:57 http://pastebin.com/Fmy8Esis# 01:23:15 it should generte a list of 1000 random lines 01:23:54 That is emacs lisp. 01:23:55 that's not common lisp 01:24:09 oh 01:24:19 and somebody ate all the indentation 01:24:54 is there some "easy" way i can just get somthing to generate the stupid text file.. as i said im not a coder, and i really dont hve time to learn the basics of someting i just need right now 01:25:05 and will never need to know again.. if you get me 01:25:35 Alfr_ [~Unknown@g225071009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 01:26:14 this is not charity, you can get help only if you are learning something 01:26:40 pan` [~Chilled@83-70-246-216-dynamic.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:43 arggggggggggggggg 01:26:44 im so sorry 01:26:50 that's not common lisp 01:26:50 oh 01:26:50 and somebody ate all the indentation 01:26:50 is there some "easy" way i can just get somthing to generate the stupid text file.. as i said im not a coder, and i really dont hve time to learn the basics of someting i just need right now 01:26:51 that's not common lisp 01:26:52 oh 01:26:52 and somebody ate all the indentation 01:26:52 is there some "easy" way i can just get somthing to generate the stupid text file.. as i said im not a coder, and i really dont hve time to learn the basics of someting i just need right now 01:26:54 ops 01:26:58 doubt popst 01:27:07 and will never need to know again.. if you get me 01:27:07 is there some site perhaps i can copy/paste that into and it will spit the text file back out on a button press 01:27:11 are you sorry now? 01:27:12 thats where i eft off 01:27:19 left* 01:27:23 wow 01:28:10 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.201.231] has quit 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It has had garbage-collection, likewise. For a long time it was at the forefront of compiler technology. 03:16:13 So, what are you really asking? 03:16:58 i would think that it's at least postmodern 03:17:20 No, that's a database interface. 03:17:43 oxum [~oxum@122.164.171.114] has joined #lisp 03:17:51 And given that postmodernism showed up in the 1870s, it's post-postmodern. (-: 03:18:12 -!- Twipply [~Twipply3@cpc17-mapp10-2-0-cust179.12-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:29 i tend to use enough "post" so that google returns zero results 03:18:49 *nyef* shudders at the thought of surrealist programming, especially for CRUD database apps. 03:19:20 On the other hand, "surrealist" would be a GREAT name for a database library, especially one for talking to PostgreSQL. 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sleep] 05:39:48 chenjf [~chenjf@14.209.215.129] has joined #lisp 05:42:46 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 05:47:25 Can the user open streams that are interactive streams or does the system designate the only interactive streams at startup (like *terminal-io*)? 05:48:24 from http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/21_aaac.htm it looks like even terminal io doesn't have to be interactive 05:51:16 Bike: Thanks - I've read that but isn't it possible for the user to open a new terminal-io stream like to a serial port or tty? Does the CL system have to figure out that these are terminal-io streams? 05:51:36 from reading this i'm thinking it's all implementation dependent 05:52:01 i mean, any mechanism for opening a tty is going to be an implementation thing anyway, right? so it can also know that interactive-stream-p => t 05:52:40 Ok -thanks. 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Are they automatically interactive or do you tell the stream it's interactive somehow? 06:53:20 drmeister: also you may want to (open "/dev/pts/0" :direction :io) interactively. 06:53:49 drmeister: you'd need an implementation specific option. Some take a :buffered t/nil option. 06:54:47 Ok, I see. 06:55:04 Another question about Grey streams. 06:55:41 stream-write-string - do I provide a default implementation that calls stream-write-char on the string or is the Grey stream provider expected to provide a complete definition for stream-write-char? 06:56:05 IIRC, there are default methods. 06:56:26 There's a minimal list of methods to be implemented by the Grey stream provider. 07:00:21 Ok, I see it in the ECL-CL source code. 07:00:58 -!- Labrit [tribal@rcfreak0.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:04:13 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 07:05:25 How to exit maxima in Emacs ? 07:08:54 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 07:10:46 yacks [~py@122.179.86.89] has joined #lisp 07:10:49 *drmeister* has a sick feeling that he's going to be ripping out his streams code and rewriting it from scratch at some point (sigh). 07:11:23 -!- musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:11:37 It needs to be rethunk. 07:11:40 ggole [~ggole@124-148-93-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:13:27 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14:11 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:14:25 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 07:16:36 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.218.1.96] has quit [Quit: h] 07:16:40 alezost [~user@128-70-204-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 07:19:03 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:21:02 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-tlvzsfwhnjtynbev] has joined #lisp 07:21:05 -!- shridhar is now known as shridhar`afk 07:21:30 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:21:50 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23:27 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4db4e54a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:35 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:24:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:25:17 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:26:33 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 07:28:32 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:07 zRecursive: I'd try: quit() RET in the maximam buffer ; adn/or C-x k on the maxima buffer. 07:29:29 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-12-74.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:30:03 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:e4b8:cf43:dca7:f704] has joined #lisp 07:31:10 "C-x k" ok 07:31:15 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4db4e54a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:26 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:31:38 pierpa [~user@95.236.58.43] has joined #lisp 07:31:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:31:40 drmeister: internally, streams implementations may be as complex or as simple as you wish. Some implementations have several different kind of streams (for various reasons, from historical to various optimizations). On POSIX, everything's a file and in a process, a file descriptor, so conceivably, you could have a single simple stream class. Basing all your stream stuff on Gray streams may be a simplifying move. (Oh, and it's a 07:31:40 proper noun, with a 'a': Gray). 07:31:56 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 07:32:02 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-184-249.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:34:01 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:35:38 Stream. Earl Gray. Interactive. 07:36:30 pjb: I know, I'm "livin' the dream" implementing streams on top of unix filedescriptors and other odds-n-sods. My implementation has grown a bit complex and it feels brittle. It needs some love. 07:37:07 It should be ok, I'm hooking in Grey streams at the moment using this as a guide: http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/9.0/doc/gray-streams.htm#gs-bin-streams-1 07:38:26 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:35 The challenge is that half of the code is in C++ and the other half is in Common Lisp. 07:39:17 Hmm, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the descriptors out of the streams and put them into file objects? 07:39:32 Or rather, source/sink objects 07:40:22 Then you can have a clear line between the lisp stream and the C++ source/sink that it deals with. 07:40:35 And you won't complicate things like broadcast streams. 07:40:47 I don't know. I know the ECL implementation - it uses a dispatch table of stream operations. I haven't figured out why it's so complex but they might just be trying to achieve what virtual functions give me. 07:40:59 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41:21 musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has joined #lisp 07:41:42 From memory, I think so. 07:41:54 I use a C++ hierarchy of classes for the different stream. I've implemented all of the ones in standard Common Lisp for many months - no problem there. 07:42:36 Oh well, I'm off to bed - another long night. Perhaps I'll dream of ones and zeros... and maybe I'll see a two. 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" 13:58:22 What does this mean re: "opencoded type dispatching"? 13:58:46 "opencoded" is a term I've heard but can't parse at the moment. 14:00:29 open-coded is the old term for inlined 14:01:02 Oh yeah - I had that explained to me a couple of days ago. Now I remember. 14:02:14 Ok and I see how a generic function would poison inlining while a regular function enables it. 14:03:22 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:04:44 hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 14:05:18 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 14:08:26 GrayMagiker [~Steve@c-174-56-103-141.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:13 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:11:15 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:13:21 *drmeister* ponders the ephemeral nature of human memory - or at list his own - and then forgets all about it. 14:13:33 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 14:13:39 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@179.189.235.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 14:14:01 drmeister: it's RETRIEVAL-FAILURE-CONDITION ;) 14:14:10 s/list/least/ 14:14:16 too much lisp for drmeister :-) 14:16:44 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 14:19:22 Anyone here behind an organizational (corporate, school, government, etc) firewall? 14:19:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.20.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:51 I'm trying to determine if naming some metadata files "whatever.sexp" is going to trip real (dumb) firewall restrictions 14:20:20 mine's relatively locked down 14:20:27 but it'll be different across organisations i guess 14:20:35 Xach: mine is pretty much transparent 14:21:24 Yeah, I'm using the popular notion of "firewall". More like a policy-based filtering proxy 14:21:30 sounds like you're looking for somebody in the UK :) 14:21:48 we've got a transparent http proxy in our outbound requests 14:22:23 IRCInfoCustomer [~IRCInfoCu@163.86.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:22:28 -!- IRCInfoCustomer [~IRCInfoCu@163.86.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 14:23:08 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:10 you can always use sxp 14:24:06 I really hate .lisp-expr. 14:24:20 pmai` [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:24:36 do you not care about DOS users? 14:24:44 I don't. 14:25:46 don't you care about PDP-10 users? damn. 14:25:46 xach: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/22/2042239/great-firewall-of-uk-blocks-game-patch-because-of-substring-matches 14:25:59 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26:30 but perhaps this is what you're trying to achieve anyway ... as many people opting out as possible ;) 14:26:38 -!- corp_drone [~corp_dron@2001:1af8:4700:a03a:3::] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:03 -!- pmai [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29:06 leo2007 [lsd@SDF.ORG] has joined #lisp 14:29:20 that's why people in the ukraine are revolting, they can't get their quicklisp updates 14:29:24 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:59 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.189.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:01 lemoinem [~swoog@198-200-112-105.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:43 ah, that's likely! 14:30:51 stassats: wrt. da5e41cdefdabde48c87b6b6cf914f4e1ed1bf9f, ports are not fixnums on x86 14:31:17 is that so? 14:31:38 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:17 I shouldn't have said that 14:33:46 :( 14:34:06 as far as i gathered, ports are 0-65535 14:34:09 that's as fixnum as it gets 14:34:19 you're 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Now you can record the files before and after, and send the data to graphviz. 19:31:14 will try later on, i changed dist in quicklisp and now have problems restoring the originals.... 19:31:17 oh man.... 19:31:52 do i have to load the oldest dist i had in order to be able to use the same set ? 19:32:10 No idea, I've not upgraded to multi-dist yet. 19:32:52 well mine never replaced the source directory files only added new ones...and replaced the notion of the used ones in the database or so.... 19:33:01 until now.... 19:33:14 now it replaced and also deleted several of them.... 19:33:43 and i can't restore the original even when i copy my old quicklisp directory from a saved place.... 19:34:41 the oldest versions of packages i see in my backed up source directory are from 20101006 or so.... 19:34:59 so do i have to start with that one again ? 19:35:13 fewwww 19:35:21 i hope not.... 19:35:40 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 19:36:11 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:36:41 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.26a1/20140106090522]] 19:37:29 -!- snamich [~snamich@eduroam-230-69.ucsc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:43 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC458B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:49 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [] 19:44:40 however i installed the 20130313 dist or so..... 19:48:17 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:50:45 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:52:16 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:23 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:19 kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 19:55:01 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:55:07 effy [~x@111.197.239.70] has joined #lisp 19:55:49 -!- effy_ [~x@111.197.239.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:57:05 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:57:32 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57:55 normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-065-125.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:03 bobbysmith0071: btw, about https://github.com/AccelerationNet/cl-csv/issues/13, stassats had some ideas (and code) to have the character based case twice as fast ;-) 19:58:18 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:58:20 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 20:01:16 -!- dunsmoreb [~dunsmoreb@intenselogic.com] has left #lisp 20:01:42 dim: is there a paste or something? 20:01:55 not that I know of 20:02:22 though he offered a very simple though: when (char= until #\Newline), just default to using read-line 20:02:40 I'm not up-to-speed with compiler macros, but maybe that's how to "inline" that special case? 20:02:58 dim: yeah I had thought of that as well. which allows us to get the "fast" implementation without doing any more work 20:03:02 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:03:15 exactly ;-) (the most common one, too) 20:04:44 dim: compiler macros can only be leveraged if the parameter is statically known (ie: not a dynamic variable), so I dont think that they would be particularly applicable here, but I think a simple case statement should be pretty fast 20:04:54 -!- bobbysmith0071 is now known as bobbysmith007 20:06:25 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:52 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:07:35 https://github.com/qitab/qmynd/blob/master/src/wire-protocol/basic-types.lisp 20:07:50 LtCrData [~LtCrData@host109-148-126-212.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:01 the compiler macro can embed a case test and pick the implementation depending on runtime data, it seems 20:09:02 francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has joined #lisp 20:09:11 jewel [~jewel@105-236-210-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:09:40 dim: yeah I suppose that is true, though Im not sure if there is a gain with that being outside of read-until rather than inside it (assuming appropriate inlining) 20:10:26 exactly, no idea myself, I just wanted to be sure to have thrown the idea, in case it has something to it 20:11:29 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:30 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 20:13:05 -!- zenoli [~pk@109.201.154.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14:27 ECL implements a Grey stream generic function called STREAM-LENGTH - does anyone think it does anything other than return the size of the file? 20:14:49 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-196-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:49 I keep saying Grey - I mean "Gray". 20:15:02 -!- mordocai [mordocai@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:b749] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:15:10 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.194.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:51 gmcastil [~user@97-122-163-48.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:37 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Client Quit] 20:17:44 seangrove [~user@199.188.194.204] has joined #lisp 20:17:55 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-210-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17:56 Looking at the C-code it looks like it's just the file size. 20:21:00 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4db4e54a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:28 I should have looked into Gray Streams before hacking the Qmynd driver streams 20:24:29 -!- moto9 [~ml@p3E9E21E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:59 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:25:00 -!- OldContrarian [~user@c-ef9de155.42-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:25:44 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-148-93-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:27:51 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:29:53 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:11 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:35:20 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2cd0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:33 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:35:56 -!- Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:37:22 Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 20:37:30 moto9 [~ml@p3E9E2293.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:40:25 I've been told that using generic functions can have a performance cost due to possibly complex dispatching, is that relevant to Gray Streams? 20:40:41 dim: "Before, you are wise; after, you are wise. In between you are otherwise" - David Zindell - The Broken God 20:40:50 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:51 hehe 20:41:05 Yeah - it's very relevant to Gray Streams - I see that now. 20:41:45 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:42:47 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42:54 a csv Gray stream implementation would be fun, with additional functions such as stream-read-column 20:42:55 I don't think generic functions can be profitably inlined. I don't do much inlining myself yet - so I'm not completely sure about that. 20:43:10 but if the perfs impact is important, what's the point? 20:43:26 inlining can hinder perfs too 20:43:32 drmeister: first time I encounter somebody else who's read those :D 20:43:46 Adlai: A long time ago. 20:43:57 it's a trade-off in between function call, stack, and instruction cache, IIUC 20:44:29 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-125.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:37 I used to read science fiction voraciously - now I live it. 20:46:01 -!- Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:46:50 Adlai: I thought Neverness was an interesting illustration on the hazards of continuous growth. 20:46:58 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.255.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:24 Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 20:47:34 drmeister: In case you've not read it yet, here's what started it all: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/shanidar.htm 20:48:29 -!- genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:48:58 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-145-64.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:51 -!- Pupeno_w [~pupeno_w@host217-34-41-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:52:51 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:54:21 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:56:05 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.105.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:56:54 Adlai: Thanks - I'm reading it. 20:58:22 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:00:18 -!- sid_cyph1r is now known as sid_cypher 21:03:07 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-125.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:14 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6d376.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:22 dim: you need to learn about orders of magnitudes in computers. 21:04:29 -!- genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:36 prxq [~mommer@x2f6d376.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 21:04:50 can you be less specific? 21:05:26 Watcher7 [~w@108.218.1.96] has joined #lisp 21:05:40 dim: for example https://gist.github.com/jboner/2841832 21:07:06 yeah, so it depends how often you exercice generic functions per amount of bytes you read, is that what you're trying to say in the context of Gray Streams? 21:07:16 Yes. 21:07:31 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-125.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:51 cl-csv is broken for me today. 21:07:56 then, inlining can either push the instructions in the L1 cache or move them out to the L2 cache, or something like that 21:08:14 Furthermore, both the hard disk, the system, and the implementation, use buffers, so that even if you read character by characters from a Gray stream, you're only hitting the cache inside the process, until you have to wait for a seek. 21:08:22 Xach: how so? you mean some use case specifically or Quicklisp? 21:08:42 dim: yes, inlining can have surprising effects :-) 21:08:52 pjb: you will still dispatch each time to call stream-read-char, say 21:09:26 so if the next char is already in memory, then the major cost can actually be the function call, right? 21:09:32 That's true. It's bound to be slower than a normal function call. But since eventually you will have to wait for the hard disk seek time, it won't make a difference, macroscopically. 21:09:32 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:15 well, all you're saying is encouraging to try it out, because IME when reasonning about that kind of effects, no theory matches what happens exactly in practice 21:10:28 dim: the problem is actually executing code, not fetching it 21:10:28 Of course. 21:10:51 you swap a couple of instructions without semantic changes and all of sudden the branch prediction mechanism of the CPU, or something else, kicks in, etc 21:10:56 dim: gray streams have a lot of levels of indirection 21:11:28 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@212.252.84.27] has joined #lisp 21:11:32 dim: at first glance, an implicit dependency on antik 21:11:43 ok I was still a the outer level, the inner level is problematic too? no gray streams for me today 21:12:13 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:12:14 Xach: how do I list packages that depend on antik and check if pgloader is implicitely providing it? 21:12:30 I mean, cl-csv sure works quite fine in pgloader, even when compiled with cl-buildapp 21:12:42 dim: When did you update it last? 21:13:26 some time ago, I don't think I have the current release of QL 21:13:26 Hmm, no, something deeper is messed up. 21:13:35 I have today's version of cl-csv tho, in my local-projects 21:15:00 I'm not sure what happened, but the update I tried a few hours ago didn't seem to work, but I don't know exactly what was going on. I'm going to retry something. 21:15:21 ? 21:18:17 False alarm from some transient condition, possibly on my system. 21:19:12 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9D02B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:19:28 ok, then I'm calling it a day, gn 21:21:51 Adlai: A good story. 21:22:57 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-211-107.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:23:20 -!- normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-065-125.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:53 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:26 -!- STilda [kvirc@176.67.7.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26:15 pjb: So what was the verdict? Gray streams are very inefficient or not? 21:26:46 *drmeister* will be sad if they are since he just finished implementing them. 21:27:08 sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 21:27:08 -!- sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:27:08 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:27:16 arademaker [~user@236.171.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 21:27:29 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 21:28:14 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 21:28:28 -!- spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: back to work] 21:28:35 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 21:29:26 From what you say above they are not because real slowdown comes when the hard disk seeks. 21:29:48 "they are not inefficient because..." 21:30:07 drmeister: can you see a difference between: (loop for c across "hello world" do (princ c)) and (loop for c across "hello world" do (princ c) (loop repeat 10 do #|nothing|#) ) ? 21:30:27 drmeister: gray streams are not about accessing hard disks 21:30:40 it's just a streaming protocol 21:31:23 Now of course, you can also write to string streams, or create other kinds of streams that works at RAM speed. 21:31:28 pjb: There's an extra loop in the second one... but I'm not following you. 21:31:57 drmeister: a computer that's half the speed is still fast enough to do anything you want. 21:32:39 pjb: Ok, I think I get it. I was asking a general question when it's really the specifics of what the Gray stream does that matters. 21:32:45 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:32:53 -!- y_pe [~user@w-113.cust-13410.ip.static.uno.uk.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:33:07 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33:10 drmeister: and as any level of indirection, it adds an overhead, gray streams is arguably slower than using something directly 21:33:52 It's slower but when the difference is between 1e-9 s and 2e-9, who cares? 21:34:01 stassats: I understand. 21:34:41 My compiler generates code that is 650x slower than SBCL - is that still ok? :-) 21:35:02 Yes. It still has a big advantage over sbcl :-) 21:35:23 sbcl has >20 years of development by Very Smart People 21:35:34 I wouldn't compare overmuch 21:35:41 unevenly distributed 21:35:57 admittedly 21:36:30 drmeister: gray streams actually add overhead even if you're not using them 21:36:49 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:36:51 Thanks - I thought maybe 650x would be beyond the pale. 21:36:56 read-char now has to be a generic function instead of a plain function 21:37:40 i have a custom I/O streams which are an order of magnitude faster than what SBCL has 21:38:01 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:38:15 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 21:38:52 stassats: Yeah - I'm hip to that, I just finished adding all that overhead - every stream related function has a test inserted to see if the stream argument is an Instance object and if so it FUNCALLs a Gray stream function. 21:40:14 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:25 stassats: Wait - really? READ-CHAR needs to be a generic function? ECL and I just check the type of the stream argument and dispatch to the Gray generic READ-CHAR or the regular READ-CHAR function. 21:40:57 The CLHS says READ-CHAR is a plain function. I thought that was dogma. 21:40:58 pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 21:41:35 stassats: Or do you mean it could be a generic function - because I see how that could work just as well. 21:41:57 you're just implementing your own dispatch 21:42:10 stassats: Yes - then we are on the same page. 21:42:45 -!- arademaker [~user@236.171.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:44:22 stassats: I finished up Gray streams so that I can take another stab at a swank implementation. 21:45:04 Have you chosen a clever name for the implementation? 21:45:24 stassats: I'm not really going anywhere with that last statement - just FYI - it's in the back of my mind all the time. 21:45:40 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 21:46:06 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:46:16 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 21:46:42 Xach: Clever? Dunno about that. Currently it's "Bridge Common Lisp". That may change before I release it. 21:47:00 stassats thinks its a dumb name. 21:47:26 That's not bad 21:48:05 CL++ 21:48:34 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 21:49:08 clever has "cl" in it 21:50:47 I should name my portability layer "clumsy" 21:51:02 *drmeister* thinks "clever" ... "CLever" hmmmm. 21:51:13 being too obvious is not clever! 21:51:56 if i were naming my implementation, i wouldn't include CL or lisp in the name 21:52:14 "CLever" does feel a bit uncomfortable. 21:52:15 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:52:44 has some "c lever" pronunciation tendency 21:52:45 what about "licp", with a soft C 21:53:08 liçp 21:53:10 then someone will do lizp 21:53:13 liçp 21:53:17 Adlai: That's funny. 21:53:26 and lijp 21:53:50 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Quit: Sleep Now] 21:54:09 It's too bad that "NaCL" is already taken as an implementation name. 21:54:38 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.40.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:55:06 Breaking CL 21:56:44 nyef: but maybe drmeister knows some other funny compounds involving Cl... 21:56:46 CLOS Pollos Hermanos? 21:56:56 autsch 21:57:07 prxq: Why do you think I mentioned it? (-: 21:57:27 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 21:57:39 Sure, it wouldn't have the same salty goodness to it, but it could still be clever. 21:58:14 prxq: Yeah Cl2 or Cl-too 21:59:49 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:05 -!- pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:39 give it some long name. 1-(4-Bromofuro[2,3-f][1]benzofuran-8-yl)propan-CommonLisp-2-amine 22:01:27 that's would be easy to google 22:01:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:46 KClO4 22:03:43 ... A Kyoto Common Lisp restart from ten years ago? 22:04:02 ... Oh, that's an O, not an 0? 22:05:42 For crying out loud, my pretty printing keeps going into an infinite loop and when I try to print values to see what's going on - those prints go into an infinite loop. Bleh 22:05:53 nyef: first thing I found on wikipedia that involved Cl and had some relation to explosives. 22:06:08 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC458B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 22:06:33 drmeister: Bind *PRINT-PRETTY* to NIL and set a max-depth while you're debugging it? 22:06:50 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:06:58 (Set the max-depth and a max-length so that you don't run into an infinite data structure.) 22:07:01 prxq: what about cloroform 22:07:31 set *print-circle* to t? 22:07:53 I tried the *PRINT-PRETTY* to nil in the dbg_describe function - it still goes berserk. What's max-depth? 22:08:07 clhs *p-l* 22:08:07 Matches: *print-length*, *print-level*, *print-lines*. 22:10:53 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has joined #lisp 22:11:00 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.248.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:17 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-248-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:12:02 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6d376.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:12 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 22:12:18 I'll give those a try. 22:16:29 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:36 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:19:57 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:16 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@212.252.84.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:03 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 22:21:21 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:25:44 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [] 22:26:38 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:27:09 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:04 -!- bjz__ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:28:42 percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:28:48 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:11 -!- percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:42:23 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.255.119] has joined #lisp 22:42:26 oleo [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-196-18.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:48:57 I'm still not comfortable with pathnames - what is the best practice if I have a pathname #P"SYS:KERNEL;_IMAGELTO.BUNDLE" and I want to change the type to ".BC"? 22:49:12 percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:36 davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:41 make-pathname? merge-pathnames? 22:49:58 (make-pathname :type "bc" :defaults #P"SYS:KERNEL;_IMAGELTO.BUNDLE") 22:50:39 Ok - thanks. 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