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[~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 02:24:43 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 02:31:30 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 02:32:24 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 02:33:15 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 02:35:09 In what scenarios do you use the :defsystem-depends-on ASDF system option? 02:35:58 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36:36 pillton: when you need to load a library that modifies or extends asdf. 02:36:59 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:51 I don't think it is a frequently used capability. 02:40:16 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.4.90] has joined #lisp 02:40:40 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.4.90] has quit [Client Quit] 02:40:51 Ok. I have a system named FOO which defines ASDF components. I have another system named BAR which uses those components. The only way I can get ASDF to process the BAR system is if I add an EVAL-WHEN before the DEFSYSTEM form in bar.asd. 02:42:15 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-108-7-220-91.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:43:23 -!- pierpa [~user@95.236.58.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:44:05 leo2007 [~leo@124.64.111.76] has joined #lisp 02:44:13 Shouldn't ASDF do an initial read (not using READ) of the DEFSYSTEM form in order to extract the :defsystem-depends-on option? 02:44:49 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-130-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:38 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-218.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:45:41 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6a4b9.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:46:55 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.172] has joined #lisp 02:47:39 [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 02:48:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:37 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c5ef.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:48:38 -!- davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:49 ha ha ha 02:48:57 You'd think, wouldn't you? 02:49:09 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:49:26 Implementing something like READ to the degree that would be feasible would be pretty tricky, I think. I think it would be better to have a separate form to indicate such things. 02:49:38 But I think the recommended course of action is to name things with keywords instead. 02:50:53 -!- setmeaway [oosool3@118.45.149.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:51:23 Ok fair enough. 02:51:49 I saw something like that in CFFI. I wondered what that was about. 02:52:57 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55:57 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:56:14 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:56:22 Doesn't Pascal Bourguignon have a non interning reader? 02:57:28 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 02:58:35 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 02:59:23 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:38a0:1b22:47d9:cb8b] has joined #lisp 02:59:59 yep. 03:00:12 I don't think stuffing that into asdf.lisp would be good, though. 03:00:25 If you don't need to distinguish between numbers and symbols it takes a lot of the complexity out of it 03:00:57 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 03:02:37 I think Xach may also be referring to reader macros as well e.g. #+ and #-. 03:03:09 Keywords it is then. 03:04:05 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:16 crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #lisp 03:08:59 -!- robiv [~rob@unaffiliated/robiv] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:10:15 robiv [~rob@c-24-22-47-95.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:15 -!- robiv [~rob@c-24-22-47-95.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:10:15 robiv [~rob@unaffiliated/robiv] has joined #lisp 03:12:07 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:52 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:21 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:48 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 03:21:33 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:37 cmpitg [~cmpitg@42.112.103.44] has joined #lisp 03:22:37 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@42.112.103.44] has quit [Changing host] 03:22:37 cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #lisp 03:25:48 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 03:26:49 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.218.11.52] has quit [Quit: h] 03:27:08 Watcher7 [~w@108.218.11.52] has joined #lisp 03:29:12 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I used to have a download link, but I've lost it. 04:41:15 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:43:39 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:46:42 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-138-146.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:46:52 Good morning everyone! 04:47:00 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 04:48:43 prim: As I recall, ANSI Common Lisp was never officially made available for download. 04:52:32 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-57.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:54:36 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 04:56:02 beach: gotcha. maybe i'm confusing it with 'On Lisp' which was made free for download. 04:59:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@177.224.107.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:28 prim: Well, I don't know. Other people frequently come here with questions similar to yours, so it's possible that I am wrong. 05:02:43 *prim* shrugs 05:06:17 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:07:08 afaik ANSI CL is not available online through official channels 05:10:43 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:13:09 -!- abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:13:14 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:27 abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 05:13:45 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 05:23:09 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-143-200.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:23:15 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:b:30d6:e779:739a:c9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:24:55 alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:25:17 minion: memo for fortitude: Thanks for the fixes. I merged the first one, but I am no GIT or GitHub expert, so I have to figure out what to do with the others, since they can't be merged automatically. 05:25:17 Remembered. I'll tell fortitude when he/she/it next speaks. 05:25:52 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 05:26:02 ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:48 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 05:28:45 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:30:01 matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:32 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:32:59 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:33:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:35:42 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:35:58 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:03 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-39-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:43:21 keen___ [~blackened@p73a27d78.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:44:41 -!- keen__ [~blackened@pdaddbec5.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:45:30 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:46:14 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 05:50:31 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-208.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:53:11 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.16.202] has quit [Quit: ...] 05:54:11 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:56:49 -!- CrazyEddy [~oxman@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:59:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 05:59:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 05:59:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:59:33 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59:34 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:59:53 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:01:12 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:42 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:04:09 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:37 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 06:06:19 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Client Quit] 06:07:30 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:08:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14:27 ggole [~ggole@106-68-228-205.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:15:11 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:29 -!- effy [~x@114.246.77.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15:46 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:48 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:18:40 -!- prim [~user@unaffiliated/prim] has quit [Quit: ()] 06:20:39 cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 06:20:53 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:22:35 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:26:49 ubikation [~user@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:29:11 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:29:29 hey how do sbcl timers work? do they use hpet? 06:31:59 It's probably documented somewhere, or in the source code. 06:37:11 oxum [~oxum@122.164.11.147] has joined #lisp 06:37:28 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-138-146.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 06:38:55 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.11.147] has quit [Client Quit] 06:39:06 oxum [~oxum@122.164.11.147] has joined #lisp 06:41:58 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:06 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 06:42:53 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 06:45:43 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 06:47:01 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.218.11.52] has quit [Quit: h] 06:49:02 effy [~x@114.250.90.109] has joined #lisp 06:55:39 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-eiatcdbhdrsubfci] has joined #lisp 06:55:39 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-eiatcdbhdrsubfci] has quit [Changing host] 06:55:39 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:56:15 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.54.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:06 has some one tried developing android apps with CL? 06:58:07 https://wukix.com/mocl 07:00:15 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:17 thanks 07:01:09 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:02:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:02:29 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:03:13 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 07:06:38 ow mocl isnt free :/ 07:08:52 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E5B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:11:10 ubii_ [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has joined #lisp 07:12:22 yup, I think some people use ecl too 07:13:35 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:13:42 -!- ubii_ is now known as ubii 07:14:12 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jxgcanrklsbrjrmf] has joined #lisp 07:14:28 -!- ubii [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Changing host] 07:14:28 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 07:18:35 alama [~jessealam@194-118-164-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 07:19:01 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:19:59 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-208.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:34 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:22:03 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:01 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27:13 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:57 patojo [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:02 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:29:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:29:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:32:12 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:33:28 -!- patojo [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:36:14 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:47 MoALTz_ [~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 07:37:54 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E5B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:39:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-70-245.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:42:06 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 07:42:21 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:42:29 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:43:59 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:46:25 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b0140.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:49 what do <=&, -&, +& mean? 07:49:44 i dont use em 07:49:55 if i wanted that id use perl or brainfuck or something 07:50:13 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-aorpnuamnojbffbn] has joined #lisp 07:50:13 lisp's car and cdr are enough to boggle my mind 07:54:32 ubikation: they're not predefined CL symbols. You can assign any meaning you want to them. 07:54:42 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:00:23 -!- nug700 [~nug700@71-223-14-137.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:00:39 pillton: even using my reader, reading lisp sources is not trivial, in the sense that you cannot read arbitrary lisp sources without evaluating them too: the source can define reader macros or use #. 08:01:03 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:01:28 -!- effy [~x@114.250.90.109] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 08:01:49 effy [~x@114.250.90.109] has joined #lisp 08:01:59 is update-dao in postmodern broken - the strings are not being quoted - QUERY: (SELECT * FROM country WHERE (name = Croatia)) From the html quickstart 08:02:00 pillton: so you'd need to have a CL implementation in CL to evaluate them outside of the current environment, and when that source is not conforming, you can't even evaluate it directly either the current implementation or your CL in CL implementation! 08:03:34 pillton: this is not theorical. Try to read a source full of #+sbcl#+ccl#+clisp etc, eg. to process its docstrings! You can only do a 90% job, and get the docstring for the current implementation with the current *features*. 08:04:04 pjb: this is one of the way how cl deeply sucks. 08:04:07 ways 08:04:17 And the reader. :) 08:04:38 seangrove [~user@69.181.197.122] has joined #lisp 08:04:45 H4ns: less than Ruby. 08:05:15 With ruby, you basically can't even implement a different reader function, you just have to use the one in the ruby implementation. 08:06:11 pjb: at least there is one that you can use. in cl, there is no such thing 08:06:28 pjb: Yes. One of the more interesting to me gotchya's is #+ blocking custom implementation syntax, and then readers may or may not be able to determine when the form ends 08:06:43 H4ns: READ and you can use my lisp reader or sicl's. 08:07:07 pjb: you explained how that'll end up in a 80% solution. 08:09:11 Hey! That's good enough in practice :-) 08:09:49 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:38a0:1b22:47d9:cb8b] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09:56 Now, the thing indeed, is that you don't write the same code in library lisp source files than at the REPL or quick hacks. 08:10:45 Perhaps we should write a library-source-lint function to check source files for reading and meta-processing. 08:10:56 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 08:13:26 Well, when you want to read your sources without compiling them, you can constrain the ways you modify your reader, or modify your meta program in tandem with the reader of your sources. For example SLIME and PAREDIT seem quite capable despite the programmable reader. Clearly there's a cost to our reader but it doesn't seem so large to me. 08:20:13 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:43 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:43 -!- syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:20:43 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 08:25:12 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:25:38 -!- Adeon [~valaat@109.73.169.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:14 pjb: maybe there should be a (READ-TO-LAMBDA) that reads a source file and returns a (LAMBDA (features) `(...))? 08:27:43 with some keyword to print the form out again _including_ reader conditionals. 08:28:19 of course, that might still lose things like CL-INTERPOL quoting in #?RX and so on. 08:29:43 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:31:41 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] 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instead of mocl then since both are CL to C compilers? 09:23:50 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@173-130.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:25:32 theos: you are trying to say that clicl is the same as mocl then no. 09:25:48 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 09:26:03 H4ns i am trying to ask if one can be used in place of other to accomplish the same thing 09:26:06 theos: mocl is based on clicc, but it has been heavily updated and hacked to make it work as android compiler 09:26:08 theos: no. 09:26:29 theos: there is a reason why mocl is not free: wukix have spent considerable time to make it work. 09:26:52 theos: it is up to you to decide whether it was time well spent and you want to support them for having done that. 09:27:36 H4ns they did a good job yes. but the lack of a demo version is kinda unfortunate 09:27:38 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:28:28 i guess they took the clicc and added other code to it so it will work for android 09:29:28 theos: it's not that simple if you don't have glibc on your userspace 09:29:37 most people who use android doesn't 09:29:44 i see 09:30:05 i am not saying it was simple. i am just trying to understand how they did it 09:30:20 they had to actually *port* it 09:30:47 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:32:30 btw, can ecl be compiled w/o shared objects? statically? 09:32:38 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32:52 jackdaniel: there is no reason why that should not be possible. 09:33:26 then it would be fairly easy to put ecl on android 09:33:45 i use emacs on terminal that way 09:33:51 on my tf101 09:34:22 https://github.com/ageneau/ecl-android 09:35:45 nice 09:37:24 fzappa [~user@224-159-77-217.fttx.luna.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:38:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.207.242] 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redirecting via sl4a gives some bad latencies, I noticed. 09:46:28 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 09:46:45 I believe that the native interface libraries have matured a bit, but you'd probably have to do most of the UI yourself. 09:47:19 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b0140.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:47:59 well, I wouldn't need that much of an UI. I'd just like to play around with the sensors, and write logfiles to the sd card. 09:48:19 but of course, integrating that as well would be nice. 09:48:43 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:53:08 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 09:56:38 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-dgdjsrordjyvuzzh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:01:52 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-208.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:07:02 -!- effy [~x@114.250.90.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09:12 dtal [hidden-use@192.94.235.20] has joined #lisp 10:09:35 hargettp [~hargettp@c-76-119-232-173.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:10 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@c-76-119-232-173.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:13:13 -!- ubikation [~user@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:13:55 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 10:23:54 leo2007 [~leo@124.64.111.76] has joined #lisp 10:24:00 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E5B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:28:15 -!- dtal [hidden-use@192.94.235.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:29:15 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 10:33:12 effy [~x@114.246.77.67] has joined #lisp 10:34:41 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.221] has joined #lisp 10:35:25 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:27 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:36:15 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43:59 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 10:45:25 flip214: I don't remember with sensors, but I think they are available from native code directly, and of course normal I/O works 10:46:13 is there an easy solution to cons every element from ,@mylist in macro with arbitrary list? 10:46:54 like (weirdcons ,@(a b c) (x y)) -> (a x y) (b x y) (c x y) 10:49:48 I wonder if you could access them via linux-on-android. 10:50:36 Zhivago: depends on how they are connected 10:51:11 unfortunately, many are done by various weird userspace libraries 10:51:11 linux-on-android is probably the easiest way to run a normal lisp on android. 10:52:05 if you are keen with console-only, you can put glibc side-by-side with bionic, and all cli linux apps will actually work 10:52:21 it's X server what is hard to run 10:52:41 you need root of course to do that tho 10:53:07 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:55:09 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-platform/IQ4El_CAH-o 10:58:32 vaporatorius [~vaporator@80.31.5.241] has joined #lisp 10:59:14 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 10:59:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:00:02 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:02:37 katspaugh [~katspaugh@95.108.173.185-red.dhcp.yndx.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:19 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:07:48 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:06 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:17 adityarajbhatt1 [~adityaraj@122.161.28.24] has joined #lisp 11:08:23 testing ignore the post 11:08:58 Okay, so what is the state of climacs? Is it still being developed? The last release was in 2008 (according to common-lisp.net) 11:09:50 there is a tiny lisp interpreter for android too 11:10:04 -!- zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:10:11 -!- adityarajbhatt1 is now known as adityarajbhatt 11:10:44 -!- katspaugh [~katspaugh@95.108.173.185-red.dhcp.yndx.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:12:22 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.46.159] has joined #lisp 11:15:44 harish [~harish@175.156.193.24] has joined #lisp 11:16:54 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 11:19:37 Anybody? What's the status of climacs? Can someone point me to it's "official" repo (CVS or git whatever) 11:19:59 -!- X-Scale [email@89.180.7.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:21:00 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:22:19 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.204] has joined #lisp 11:22:31 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:25:45 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.11.147] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:25:49 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 11:27:37 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:30:31 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:30:51 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:31:39 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 11:31:49 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:33:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:33:34 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:36:25 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:37:27 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-57.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:39:15 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 11:41:37 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:43:10 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:15 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 11:44:37 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 11:45:21 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 11:46:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:46:13 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFFE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:21 ASau [~user@p54AFFE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:47:37 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.241] has joined #lisp 11:48:10 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:51:50 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 11:52:27 -!- adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.28.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:57:42 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E5B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:13 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:35 odi [~odi@089144207087.atnat0016.highway.bob.at] has joined #lisp 12:01:51 -!- odi [~odi@089144207087.atnat0016.highway.bob.at] has left #lisp 12:11:54 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:50 adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.28.24] has joined #lisp 12:16:16 !gm 12:16:26 hmm doesn't this channel have a bot? 12:17:09 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.246.86.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 12:17:19 adityarajbhatt: it does. 12:17:25 minion: hey 12:17:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``hey''. 12:17:36 minion: Hello. 12:17:37 what's up? 12:17:40 cool 12:18:08 minion: Who are you? 12:18:08 Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 18 seconds is too many. 12:18:25 minion: let him talk :D 12:18:27 lol so he/she is sensitive 12:18:38 minion: Why can't I play with you? 12:18:48 hmm too detailed? 12:18:50 minion: run-program 12:18:50 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``run-program''. 12:18:59 minion: uiop:run-program 12:18:59 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``uioprun-program''. 12:19:02 mm. 12:19:05 minion: Who are you? 12:19:23 So where's his code? Is this supybot or programmed in common lisp? 12:20:07 minion: source 12:20:07 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``source''. 12:20:22 liqu0rice [~niklas@brln-4d0ce920.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:36 dim: Don't bother, found it. Nice old googling works sometimes :) http://www.cliki.net/minion 12:22:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-226-133.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:24:52 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 12:25:24 oxum [~oxum@122.164.16.202] has joined #lisp 12:27:37 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:10 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:58 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:30:04 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 12:31:51 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:31:59 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:29 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:22 munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:35:42 ustunozgur 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all hostnames that can be passed to logical-pathname-translations? 14:35:10 ckoch786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 14:35:38 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36:04 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:36:57 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:03 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:37:37 I don't think there is a standard function. 14:38:27 Ok - thanks - I spent about 10 min looking - I defined several hostnames - now I can't remember where or what some of them were (sigh). 14:39:32 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:39 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:46:07 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] 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I merged the first one, but I am no GIT or GitHub expert, so I have to figure out what to do with the others, since they can't be merged automatically. 14:54:40 but if you use handler-bind, you can do your logging without handling the thing 14:54:59 fortitude: is this the lispy way? use handler-bind? 14:55:19 I don't want restarts, I want hunchentoot to show error page, but I want to log stuff myself 14:55:33 then you want handler-bind 14:55:44 fortitude: ok, thanks 14:56:01 puchacz: calling (error e) will work (but what fortitude is suggesting is the better way), but the problem is it'll "truncate" all the stack frames between the actual error and the frame where (error e) gets called 14:56:33 malkomalko [~malkomalk@38.88.48.146] has joined #lisp 14:56:38 segv-: thx as well. I opened relevant gigamonkey's chapter now, so reading on 14:57:10 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:57:12 -!- ikki [~ikki@177.224.107.68] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 14:58:46 and, if you're playing with hunchentoot's error handling, it sets up its own handler which explicitly calls invoke-debugger (instead of just letting the error propagate and get handled by the lisp implementation's toplevel). 14:59:03 it has reasons for doing this, but be aware of it if you're handler-bind / handler-cases aren't acting as they should 14:59:30 (or just make sure to set hunchentoot:*catch-errors-p* to nil (but they you'll lose the default 500 page (i think)) 15:01:24 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFFE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:19 segv-: hunchentoot has one or 2 configuration variables; I have (defparameter *production-mode-p* NIL/T) at the very beginning and it sets up things (including hunchentoot) accordingly. In production, I start sbcl without debugger, so it would crash should hunchentoot let conditions through, in dev - debugger is on and hunchentoot is not catching so I have stacktraces in emacs. 15:02:22 ASau [~user@p54AFFE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:03:17 Joreji [~thomas@183-218.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:03:37 puchacz: i realize i'm not being super helpful, but i've had issues with hunchentoot's explicit calling of invoke-debugger in the past; i can't remember the exact details but it was related to my handler-bind conditions getting called either not at all, or at the 'wrong' time 15:03:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.21.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:52 (this was with hunchentoot 1.2.17 and *catch-errors-p* set to t) 15:04:08 anyway, if it's working the way you expect, awesome; carry on. 15:04:22 segv-: no need to be apologetic :-) if something has bitten you, it will probably bite me as well 15:05:55 Xach: Dunno if you read my message but I got bit by teepeedee2's addons folder, sorry about that. 15:06:23 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:38a0:1b22:47d9:cb8b] has joined #lisp 15:06:52 ejbs: ok, phew 15:07:05 I was going to suggest checking (ql:where-is-system "alexandria") 15:08:46 crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 15:10:21 segv-: one way to deal with the use of invoke-debugger is to bind *debugger-hook* and do something with the condition 15:10:31 I don't think you can just allow it to propagate, though 15:12:43 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-252-15.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:13:30 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 15:14:47 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:38a0:1b22:47d9:cb8b] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:16:14 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-139.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:03 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2ad0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 15:27:37 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:49 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:12 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:30:38 -!- fzappa [~user@224-159-77-217.fttx.luna.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:36 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:38 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33:01 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:33:03 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:38:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-70-245.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:12 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:40:16 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:34 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:18 redscare [~user@18.62.31.28] has joined #lisp 15:44:59 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:51:11 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.1.55] has joined #lisp 15:54:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:59:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-70-245.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:00:29 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:53 tolk [~user@host162.190-226-74.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:05:41 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.1.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:20 hi. is ecl maintained anymore ? 16:10:12 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 16:10:19 -!- mordocai [mordocai@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:b749] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:44 tolk: I don't think it has a maintainer right now. 16:10:49 tolk: not currently. 16:11:03 -!- neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:11 oh, ok. 16:11:11 tolk: have you found a bug? 16:11:17 no, just curious. 16:11:22 tolk: or do you have a feature request? 16:11:29 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:39 mmh, no, not yet. 16:11:59 I'm sure if you have a bug list or a feature request, given the right incentive, you will find easily a maintainer. For example, I would be free by the end of March. 16:12:59 neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 16:13:46 -!- ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:15:50 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@38.88.48.146] has quit [] 16:16:11 i like "given the right incentive" combines with "easily" 16:17:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FF5A4DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:36 ogamita: that's trivially true, you're not providing any upper limit on the required incentive 16:18:13 wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has joined #lisp 16:19:32 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:20:22 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:46 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 16:22:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 16:22:46 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:26:19 hugoduncan [~user@69.157.171.126] has joined #lisp 16:28:55 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:29:02 -!- hugod [~user@69.157.171.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:32 jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:46 -!- jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:29:46 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #lisp 16:31:01 H4ns: weitz.de/cl-webdav is still showing an older version 16:31:23 stassats: thanks. i'll have edi fix it. 16:31:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:38 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.35.79] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:33:12 -!- tolk [~user@host162.190-226-74.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:34:30 can the pages be updated without a release? i fixed the cl-ppcre one to no longer point to bknr, but that doesn't warrant a release 16:35:01 no, but i'll make a release. there is no problem with that. 16:35:32 done. 16:35:49 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 16:36:18 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: cl-ppcre 2.0.7, hunchentoot 1.2.26, flexi-streams 1.0.10, SBCL 1.1.14 16:36:37 the most complicated step in releasing ediware packages is now updating the channel topic. 16:36:47 that could be automated too 16:36:50 i must integrate that into the release script some day 16:36:53 right 16:37:26 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has joined #lisp 16:38:16 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.46.159] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:38:36 nyef [~nyef@pool-108-7-220-91.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:41 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:41:00 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:07 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 16:41:22 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:02 Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:43:07 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-vldgdbdyqbdtssjt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:42 Adeon [~valaat@109.73.169.52] has joined #lisp 16:43:49 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:43:49 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 16:44:26 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jxgcanrklsbrjrmf] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 16:44:37 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:45:16 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:45:25 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:15 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 16:46:29 -!- ehu [~ehu@31.137.49.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46:51 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:49:47 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:41 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:50:54 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:22 Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:18 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has joined #lisp 16:53:43 Of course, if you're warren buffet, you have the means to incentive people to work on silly things for a couple of months, such as brackets. 16:54:23 However, having a lisper maintain an implementation for a couple of months shouldn't cost you a $billion. 16:54:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@183-218.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:52 There's even a marketplace for that! You may shop and ask quotes to Clozure Associates or Steel Bank Studio (for ccl or sbcl support). 16:56:52 Here is your shopping list: (1) Suspicious digression rectractors; (2) Quixotic hatred; (3) Coniferous will-o'-the-wisps; (4) Ceramic ladders; (5) Belligerent political fiction pincushions; (6) Inharmonious demolition 16:56:54 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:23 cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 16:58:03 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-aorpnuamnojbffbn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:29 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:58:40 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:59:21 przl [~przlrkt@p579226A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:59:25 ogamita, I thought Steel Bank Studio shut down. 16:59:25 Quadrescence, memo from pjb: see http://cliki.net/Performance 17:00:24 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:11 Even the URL is dead. 17:01:25 -!- cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:30 Adlai` [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:02:06 msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has joined #lisp 17:03:45 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.0.64] has joined #lisp 17:03:48 hi all, is there a multi-processing package somewhere comparable to mp for sbcl? 17:04:10 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:15 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:44 msmith: use bordeaux-threads 17:05:12 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-128-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:43 do you know if it has a function to wait for input on fd-streams? 17:06:42 is cl:listen not enough ? 17:06:48 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 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[~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:55 Hey, for a test case i need a non readable printable output representation of an (clos) object. The representation should always be the same, so that it's comparable. How do I do this? 19:20:33 -!- crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:22:18 (defmethod print-object ((obj my-class) stream) (print-unreadable-object (obj stream :type T) (format stream "My awesome object"))) 19:22:33 -!- davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:53 Although if you want to compare it to other strings you may want to incorporate object-specific info in the output to the stream. 19:22:55 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:14 i like to compare it with a given string literal. But the default reprensentation contains always a (serial or object?) number. 19:24:22 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:35 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:24:41 actually, its enough to get rid of this number 19:25:02 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:54 ... shouldn't you be comparing an object by its slots? 19:26:00 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:26 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:26:32 zickzackv: print-unreadable-object may offer some help 19:27:21 zickzackv: :identity t would print such a field. :identity nil would avoid it. I don't remember what's the default. 19:27:52 Shinmera: you're print-object method is wrong. It is specified to return obj, but print-unreadable-object returns nil. 19:28:00 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:28:09 zickzackv: (defmethod print-object ((obj my-class) stream) (print-unreadable-object (obj stream :type T :identity nil) (format stream "My awesome object")) obj) 19:28:14 ok, i will have to read the spec for p-u-o 19:28:31 thanks! 19:28:32 non-conforming = wrong for me ;-) 19:28:44 ogamita: Oh, I was unaware. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll go fix my methods asap then. 19:29:51 neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 19:30:48 -!- X-Scale [email@89.180.33.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:50 ogamita: you sound like a tight wad 19:30:55 non conforming = WRONG? 19:30:59 i bet youre a whole lot of fun at parties 19:31:11 You sure are bad at trolling 19:31:16 robiv: go back to some party and leave us alone. 19:31:22 are you like one of those nerds who doesnt ever drink or get high 19:31:32 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:31:35 I don't do drugs, indeed. 19:31:35 ive been riding on the greyhound today on acid and ketamine 19:31:41 rooted its router, lol 19:32:00 installed sshd and a dyndns tool via telnet 19:32:02 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32:05 crunk ass zombie bus 19:32:14 its my travelling warmachine 19:32:15 you can go now 19:32:33 now i understand the slur smug lisp weenies 19:32:41 you guys could fucking take a chill pill or two 19:32:46 przl [~przlrkt@p579226A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:32:53 geriatric yuppie pricks 19:33:01 its all about slack 19:33:09 praise "bob" ! praise "bob" ! 19:33:34 go out and liv a little like life isnt just about bein a lil code monkey 19:33:40 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 19:33:41 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*rob@unaffiliated/robiv 19:33:45 -!- robiv [~rob@unaffiliated/robiv] has left #lisp 19:33:48 fascinating 19:33:59 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 19:35:32 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:39 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:50 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:26 crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 19:37:39 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:37:59 arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has joined #lisp 19:38:21 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:07 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:42:29 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42:29 -!- crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42:44 crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 19:43:40 asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.16] has joined #lisp 19:45:39 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p579226A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:20 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 19:48:20 -!- crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:48:20 korolevaanna [~korolevaa@193.105.154.43] has joined #lisp 19:50:58 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has joined #lisp 19:51:16 crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 19:51:21 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52:02 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:52:55 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 19:52:57 thats funny, sbcl and ccl behave differently when using (print-unreadable-object (obj stream :type T :identity nil)) 19:53:05 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:53:12 sbcl adds space char. ccl does not 19:54:36 -!- korolevaanna [~korolevaa@193.105.154.43] has quit [K-Lined] 19:54:38 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 19:55:04 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:22 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:55:54 crixxus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 19:56:23 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:29 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:13 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:58:07 -!- crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:58:33 -!- ckoch786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:59:16 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Quit: jangle] 19:59:59 What is output with PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT is almost entirely up to the implementation. 20:00:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-70-245.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:00:29 "If type and identity are both true and there are no body forms, only one space character separates the type and the identity." 20:00:57 that's why sbcl prints it 20:01:02 though, it's not both true 20:01:04 zickzackv: why are you bothered by the difference at all? 20:01:23 H4ns: I'm not botherd 20:01:41 just fell over it, writing a test for both implementations 20:02:01 zickzackv: if your test depends on the output of print-unreadable-object, it is designed to fail. 20:02:03 uh oh, you're going to have a bad time writing tests for print-unreadable-object 20:02:45 mm, i see 20:03:37 LiamH: in case anyone is interested, to get gsll to work on mac os x you just need to change the file "init/init.lisp", line 66, the format string from "~a/" to "~a/lib/" 20:03:54 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:04:06 from transcript #lisp; It fixes my problem loading gsl 20:04:35 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:24 problem was gsl-config --prefix returns gel root directory not lib directory 20:05:30 *gsl 20:06:27 -!- ck [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:07:33 H4ns: is this better / more portable? (defmethod print-object ((obj unprintable-class) stream) (format stream "#")) 20:07:45 -!- lonjil [c274d402@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.116.212.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:07:57 this is worse 20:08:06 hi 20:08:17 zickzackv: i'd rather not depend on the printed representation unless it is also readable 20:08:29 stassats: hey, do you have by any chance your "twice as fast for characters" trick around for read-until? ;-) 20:08:30 zickzackv: and if it is readable, i'd not do a string compare. 20:09:05 this is a test for an unprintable object in an template engine and the unprintable represenstation should just be escaped. acutally really simple 20:09:17 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:41 dim: i haven't polished it 20:09:54 do you want to? 20:09:58 maybe 20:10:08 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:10:14 ok then, thanks! 20:11:36 This is not worse. Given your specifications, this is right. 20:11:57 But you'd need to add a test for *print-readably*. 20:12:40 zickzackv: (defmethod print-object ((obj unprintable-class) stream) (if *print-readably* (print-unreadable-object (obj stream) #|let it do the error signaling|#) (format stream "#")) obj #|format doesn't return obj!!!|#) 20:13:24 add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:13:40 nobody cares about print-object not returning something, can you stop promulgating that? 20:14:02 HeraldFoxMeganC [~mebodyasd@173.147.22.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:14:03 Hi. I did a game (I am programmer), and I want to see if you like it :3 http://adf.ly/cWCUd 20:14:04 Sorry by the adf.ly, but I need a bit donation for a web server for the server xd 20:14:05 -!- HeraldFoxMeganC [~mebodyasd@173.147.22.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 20:14:16 no thanks 20:14:17 ogamita, i see. so that should be *print-readably* set to 't, an error is raised/thrown 20:14:35 zickzackv: why do you need a test for printing unreadable objects? 20:16:24 in the current version of cl-mustache unreadable objects are printed literally, but they should be html escaped. I patched it, but i have to write a test for this case 20:16:38 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 20:16:53 zickzackv: write the test so that it is robust 20:17:04 just check that there's no or < or > 20:17:10 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:18:10 *zickzackv* clapps hand on forhead 20:18:31 good point! thanks h4ns and stassats 20:18:32 vkrest [~vkrest@mpk-nat-3.thefacebook.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:30 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 20:20:01 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-68-228-205.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:20:43 how do you distinguish between readable and unreadable objects? 20:21:01 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:17 -!- moto9 [~ml@p3E9E3018.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:21:50 right now, i; 20:21:52 ups 20:22:28 i see the pull-request 20:22:54 right now, i'm using write-string 20:23:03 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:23:31 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:23:46 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:23:54 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 20:24:19 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:25:12 in some pgloader testing here CCL is way faster than SBCL 20:25:23 zickzackv: why don't you do (print-date (string symbol) escape) for the symbol case? 20:25:23 in particular when using the qmynd MySQL driver 20:25:39 dim: is there lots of runtime compilation? 20:25:51 some, not that much 20:26:07 mmm, in the MySQL case I'm not even sure 20:26:41 zickzackv: and what about characters? 20:26:55 no runtime compilation in that test 20:27:05 still 25% faster (~3s instead of ~4s) 20:27:28 what kind of test? 20:27:57 converting the MySQL sakila database to PostgreSQL: schema, data, indexes, foreign keys 20:28:13 with pgloader, make -C test sakila.out 20:28:19 can you profile on sbcl and see what takes too much time? 20:28:27 or from within slime, (pgloader:run-commands "/Users/dim/dev/pgloader/test/csv-districts.load" :client-min-messages :warning) 20:28:59 stassats: well it's the project creating many short lived threads that are hard to profile, you might remember 20:29:19 stassats: mmh, have to try it out. 20:29:20 i'm not senile indeed 20:29:36 hehe 20:30:13 I find that my current capacity to remember anything is highly dependent on my levels of awakeness and interest... and I'm not senile yet either 20:30:20 well, we have to make CCL be faster somewhere! 20:30:35 :) 20:30:53 in all the other easy tests I have around the timing are about comparable 20:31:01 -!- Axord [~axo@pool-173-55-135-64.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:31:02 I'm now wondering about shipping a CCL based pgloader image 20:31:17 -!- uzo [c6fce60f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.252.230.15] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:31:53 zickzackv: though characters would fall under the default method and be escaped, but i don't have the slightest idea what's cl-mustache is actually doing with print-data 20:32:32 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-226-133.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:18 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:31 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:34:38 stassats: which is actually not what i suspected iff printing a char with a template. 20:35:47 zickzackv: and i'm not really sure how much do you want to use prinC-to-string, instead of prin1-to-string 20:35:51 moto9 [~ml@p3E9E0C3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:36:01 c.f. (princ (make-condition 'simple-error :format "~a" :format-control "1")) vs (prin1 *) 20:36:17 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@aug33-1-88-164-179-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:36:25 (debugging and all) 20:37:37 stassats: now, i got you first comment regarding the symbol case. Your right, that way its much simpler 20:38:23 stassats: for your last comment: I probably do not know the different between princ ant prin1 very well 20:38:41 compare the results of above forms 20:40:03 don't forget to not only test for < and >, but also for & 20:40:21 stassats: sorry, but the first exp does not evaluate. 20:40:28 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:41:04 zickzackv: indeed, should be (princ (make-condition 'simple-error :format-control "~a" :format-arguments '("1"))) 20:42:00 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42:21 escaping ' and " might be a good idea also if it can be used within attributes 20:43:22 zickzackv: a simpler difference betwin c and 1 would be (princ #\>) (prin1 #\>) 20:44:03 if you chose to use prin1, don't forget about that 20:44:27 s/chose/choose/ 20:46:29 stassats: so prin1 escapes, through *print-escape* and princ does not 20:46:29 if it were up to me, i'd define a method for characters, doing (print-date (string character) escape), and use prin1-to-string for the default method 20:46:50 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:05 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 20:48:37 cl-mustache escapes ' as ', but HTML 4.01 doesn't support it. not sure how important that is 20:48:50 i'll open a ticket for that 20:50:02 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:52:01 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:52:02 can I check with asdf that a system and its dependencies are available? 20:52:14 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:53:48 surely it's possible to recursively find-system it 20:54:10 can I list a given system's dependencies? 20:54:26 in fact, quicklisp is too slow to use in a #! script 20:54:42 asdf:component-depends-on 20:54:53 I'm trying to have the #! script asdf:load-system instead, but with a solution to ql:quickload by itself the first time 20:55:01 thanks 20:55:32 well, that's easy 20:56:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:56:15 dim: (handler-case (asdf:load-system x) (asdf:missing-dependency () (quicklisp-do-the-job))) 20:56:29 ah yeah, it is. 20:57:36 ASDF:MISSING-COMPONENT is better 20:58:48 well it's recompiling each time, asdf:require-system is not that better... 20:59:31 it shouldn't recompile, unless there's something changed in the file or dependencies 21:00:11 dim: even loading fasls may not be fast relative to what you'd want for a command line tool 21:00:22 it's not very smart about things having changed then 21:00:46 you may have things in the future or wrongly constructed .asds 21:00:49 I have ; compiling file "/home/vagrant/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/cl-containers-20140113-git/dev/utilities-integration.lisp" (written 15 JAN 2014 12:08:17 AM): each time 21:00:58 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:18 but well maybe I'm trying to solve a problem I don't have really 21:01:58 nug700 [~nug700@71-223-14-137.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:20 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@173-167-162-246-illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [] 21:02:35 i can reproduce that 21:03:38 solving a problem you don't have? ;-) 21:03:42 ugh, it uses asdf-system-connections 21:04:10 time ./pgloader.lisp --help now takes more than 8s 21:04:29 it's doing (asdf:require-system :pgloader) 21:05:32 asdf-system-connections is probably broken 21:05:33 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:06:26 well asdf is probably broken is what you'd usually say, right? 21:06:42 asdf-system-connections doubly so, by that metric 21:08:13 I could implement --help and --version and some more in a way that it's not actually loading pgloader, but the interest of doing so escapes me entirely 21:08:17 stassats: if you don't care about Common Lisp, you're free to roam #sbcl. But try /topic 21:08:35 i got some fresher ASC, and it works 21:08:59 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2ad0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:06 pjb: and let you freely misdirect people into oblivion? 21:09:41 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 21:10:09 Xach: ASC from https://github.com/gwkkwg/asdf-System-Connections doesn't have the problem dim described 21:11:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:13:47 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:51 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:06 is there some entry level document about CL system deployment that you would recommend? 21:15:21 "don't" 21:15:47 hehe, that's an easy recommendation, but I'm not following it 21:15:58 followed by "dump an image" 21:16:08 I'm doing that yeah 21:16:33 http://pgloader.tapoueh.org/download.html --- works about well enough I guess, but I still dissatisfied somehow 21:16:38 +feel 21:17:14 ener2 [~xxxaaaagg@158.194.168.92] has joined #lisp 21:17:41 you can easily provide x86 binaries 21:17:41 hmm, I can't seems to be able to use macro defined in macrolet inside a macro 21:17:45 is that defined behavior? 21:18:04 Watcher7 [~w@108.218.11.52] has joined #lisp 21:18:37 stassats: well not that easily if I'm to believe customers who tried building the executable themselves, but I think I see what you mean: have a look a the pgloader Makefile where I do just that, + some OS packaging 21:18:53 ener2: you have to demonstrate the behaviour you are observing 21:19:09 dim: i mean that you don't need virtual machines 21:19:35 oh I use VMs as clean build environments 21:19:45 as always, bad glibc versions might interfere 21:19:59 that's where the OS level packaging comes in handy yeah 21:20:24 they have some level magic to detect which version the binary depends on and stick that into the package dependencies 21:20:43 they fail to take into account libs loaded with CFFI, tho 21:20:44 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:20:47 or they might say "won't install that" 21:20:49 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141011 21:21:07 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) 21:21:15 it's failing to list openssl 21:21:44 ener2: yes, a) macrolet is lexical, b) it's for code that's going to be evaluated 21:21:56 a quoted list is not evaluated within the macro 21:21:57 stassats: thank you, I thought so 21:22:03 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 21:22:09 it is kinda shame that you can't define local macros for a macro 21:22:15 therefore: (defmacro x (a) `(macrolet ((p (b) `(print ,b))) (p ,a))) 21:22:16 (for expanded code) 21:22:43 mc40: OK. Does that apply for all Macs? 21:23:08 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 21:23:14 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:23:40 probably not for the classic 21:24:55 ndrei [~avo@37.161.65.131] has joined #lisp 21:25:20 is there no operator macroexpand-all in cl? 21:25:26 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-39-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:38 ener2: not that defining a local function would be better in this particular case 21:26:30 ener2: do you use slime? 21:26:43 stassats: no, lispworks 21:26:50 C-c M-m in slime will invoke macroexpand-all 21:27:38 (and local functions are better because they can be funcalled/applied) 21:28:03 ener2: but be careful with such things, since such local functions can clash with other local functions 21:28:39 stassats: I am making definition macros 21:28:45 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:46 call-next-method in defmethod is an example of such a local function, but it's clearly advertised 21:29:29 -!- ndrei [~avo@37.161.65.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:16 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141012 21:30:24 -!- munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30:30 protip: you can annotate pastes instead of creating new ones 21:30:33 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:12 why function imported from other package looks for it's fellow functions in mine package, where they are definetely not present? 21:31:55 jackdaniel: no, a normal function uses the package in which it was defined 21:32:09 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:23 only if it incorrectly uses runtime (intern ... *package*), will it look in the current package from where you run it 21:32:45 ener2: i don't see a question in that paste 21:33:01 stassats: yeah it was just showing you what I am trying to do with macros 21:33:24 stassats: that sounds reasonable and i tought it should behave like that 21:33:35 a docstring like "This function returns names of all percepts in a list" is probably useless 21:34:00 Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:03 GET-PERCEPT-NAMES is enough to convey that 21:34:12 stassats: thanks, removed 21:34:46 another protip: (when percepts (loop for percept in percepts collect (first percept))) => (loop for percept in percepts collect (first percept)) => (loop for (name) in percepts collect name) => (mapcar #'first percepts) 21:35:28 Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:45 stassats: http://bpaste.net/show/171439/ - when i call (fast-start) from inside :dead-corpse-webserver ive got http://bpaste.net/show/171441/ 21:36:05 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:36:42 (first link is two files paste) 21:38:33 jackdaniel: apparently fingermap-qwerty.lisp calls deffinger, and that is not exported 21:39:10 yes it does, but it's loaded from function in another package 21:39:13 and (the symbol fingersym) is not how you make declarations or check-types 21:39:16 shouldn't it inherit it? 21:39:24 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-14-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:39:39 I'am having some trouble with (read-line) and using it in slime. I call the function with C-x C-e, and then try to write something, when i hit enter, it's like its looking for varriables with the input. But when i try the same out in the terminal (sbcl), it works bas intented? 21:39:43 jackdaniel: you're not exporting it, how can it be inherited? 21:40:06 jackdaniel: to check for types, uses (check-type fingersym symbol), to declare (declare (symbol fingersym)) 21:40:26 only check-type is required to actually perform a type check at runtime, the declare may or may not do that 21:40:49 stassats: i assumed, that if fast-start is called from package :dead-corpse, then all stuff loaded on this function will be loaded in :dead-corpse package 21:41:02 -!- crixxus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:08 stassats: i'll fix that, thanks 21:41:09 Ayey_: where are you entering your line? 21:41:37 jackdaniel: packages concerns themselves only with symbols 21:42:03 only what is explicitly exported will be inherited by a package which uses another package 21:43:32 jackdaniel: and it's all textual, if fast-start itself called deffinger, then it wouldn't matter that deffinger is not exported from anywhere, since package resolution is performed at read-time 21:43:50 i.e., before anything is compiled or executed 21:44:04 syamajala [~syamajala@htr06-1-82-227-229-187.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:16 stassats: thanks, that clears alot 21:44:37 btw, why (the ..) isn't a good way to check type? 21:44:57 it's not required to do anything useful 21:45:16 stassats: in the slime repl 21:45:31 jackdaniel: at the place where you're using it 21:46:12 (1+ (the fixnum x)) is useful for, but not (lambda (x) (the fixnum x) (1+ x)), even if a smart compiler can recognize this being similar 21:46:35 Ayey_: are you sure that it's not *inferior-lisp*? 21:46:47 or reversal, are you sure that it's not asking in *inferior-lisp* 21:47:10 if C-x C-e creates a new thread, if you don't have io redirection, it'll ask in *inferior-lisp* 21:47:46 stassats: Oh, it is in the inferior-lisp buffer 21:47:51 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 21:47:55 to enable, deposit (in-package #:swank) (defparameter *globally-redirect-io* t) into ~/.swank.lisp 21:48:03 (and restart) 21:48:32 protip ",restart" in the repl would achieve that 21:49:14 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:50:44 crixus [~Rob@69.77.176.98] has joined #lisp 21:51:38 stassats: Should the restart take long? 21:52:28 i/o redirection is actually not required for read-line to work in the repl, strangely enough 21:52:42 it works \o/ :) 21:52:45 dmitry [~textual@178.162.95.192] has joined #lisp 21:52:51 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53:20 What's the differnce between slime-repl and inferior-lisp? 21:53:25 If there is a differnce 21:53:47 inferior-lisp shouldn't be used normally 21:54:01 Ayey_: slime-repl offers you few nice features, like package designator, autocompletion etc 21:54:05 it's basically useless 21:54:41 only useful for seeing output of some FFI which output to stdout 21:55:00 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:03 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 21:57:07 Or useful for some threading cases, likewise with the output. 21:57:38 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b0140.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:57:41 global io redirection takes care of that, unless you deliberately print to sb-sys:*stdout* 21:57:57 Okay, who do i default to slime-repl then? (Instead of inferior-lisp? 21:58:10 And thanks for explaining! 21:58:28 is there a way to change help definition of macro or is taht implementation specific? 21:58:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:36 a docstring? 22:00:04 (setf (documentation 'x 'function) "new docstring")? 22:00:06 stassats: lambdalist but only in help 22:00:30 arglist display? it's more like IDE dependent 22:01:02 Ayey_: (slime-setup '(slime-repl)) in .emacs, and (in-package #:swank) (defparameter *globally-redirect-io* t) in ~/.swank.lisp 22:01:21 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) is usually better 22:02:00 Ayey_: you might find http://slime-tips.tumblr.com/ useful 22:02:51 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-14-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:04:02 redscare [~user@18.62.31.28] has joined #lisp 22:04:14 minion: slime.mov? 22:04:15 slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 22:04:30 does anyone use gsll? the eigenvalues that I get out of it are consistently wrong. i believe this is a severe bug but it doesn't seem to be mentoined elsewhere 22:04:57 LiamH: may or may not use gsll 22:05:11 I do, but I don't do eigenvalues 22:05:37 no wonder they are wrong then 22:05:54 Really, it should just be calling GSL and returning the value. 22:06:21 It works now, thanks stassats! 22:06:36 LiamH: there could be ffi problems 22:06:48 well, redscare owes a test case 22:07:56 is there a way from symbol to know whether class with that name is subclass of other class? 22:08:15 (subtypep symbol superclass) 22:08:16 ener2: subtypep 22:08:24 thank you 22:08:45 works both as (subtypep 'fixnum 'integer) and (subtypep (find-class 'fixnum) (find-class 'integer)) 22:08:58 since class objects are types too 22:09:14 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:10 i imagine some clisp users are screaming that (find-class 'fixnum) is not portable, but i can't hear them 22:10:11 redscare: send your case and results to gsll-devel mailing list 22:12:36 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:12:51 |3b|: do you mind 3bmd outputting ', which is not compatible with some browsers? 22:13:20 some as in, IE 22:14:49 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@htr06-1-82-227-229-187.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:15:49 cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-215-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:15:58 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:16:41 hmm subtypep is complaining when I send it symbol that is not a type 22:17:07 it shouldn't 22:17:31 A is an illegal type specifier. 22:17:36 now, (subtypep 'xzz 'not) may complain, since not can't be used like that 22:17:46 the same goes to and, or, member, eql, mod 22:18:02 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:18:35 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141013 ptype send there is symbol a 22:19:08 you mispelled 'constraints' 22:19:32 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 22:19:35 and you mismade the dosctring 22:19:58 thanks for pointing out 22:20:04 (that's not how break a line) 22:20:37 Bike: but did you misspell misspell on purpose? 22:21:03 surveys are inconclusive 22:21:31 ener2: well, what error do you get? 22:22:00 stassats: (check-agent-definition-validity 'a 'b nil nil) 22:22:01 Error: A is an illegal type specifier. 22:22:17 (deftype a () (error "Just because")), (subtypep 'a 'ptype) => will give an error 22:22:26 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:28 a is not defined 22:22:49 blame lispworks 22:22:55 stassats: (check-agent-definition-validity (gensym) (gensym) nil nil) 22:22:57 Error: #:G2586 is an illegal type specifier. 22:23:09 hmm 22:23:18 is there a way to check whether type exists then? 22:23:20 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 22:23:31 LiamH: simple test case 22:23:52 (gsl:eigenvalues (grid:make-foreign-array 'double-float :initial-contents '((1.0 2.0) (3.0 4.0)))) 22:24:12 for me this returns ~ -0.854, 5.854 22:24:28 ener2: if you're going to use classes, then (and (find-class x nil) ...) 22:24:28 the correct values are -0.372, 5.372 22:24:32 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@mpk-nat-3.thefacebook.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:56 1.0 are single-float, if that matters 22:25:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:16 (unless your *read-default-float-format* is 'double-float) 22:25:48 stassats: tried with 1.0d0 22:25:52 etc 22:25:55 same answer 22:26:04 stassats: thank you 22:26:29 gsll sets r-d-f-f 22:27:14 rescare: please send email to the mailing list 22:27:17 redscare 22:27:46 centrx [~centrx@pool-72-74-93-238.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:13 is "READ error during COMPILE-FILE: end of file on" a normal occurrence when compiling gsll? 22:28:49 tolk [~user@host162.190-226-74.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 22:29:55 LiamH: gsl-config should probably check for zero return status before using read-line 22:30:34 redscare: you realize that the eigenvalues function assumes a symmetric or hermitian matrix, right? 22:30:46 I wish I knew how to attack https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/issues/16 (I have code to very easily reproduce the issue) 22:31:14 LiamH: otherwise not having gsl-config installed makes a confusing end-of-file error 22:31:18 redscare: read the results of :(documentation 'eigenvalues 'function) 22:31:33 stassats: gsl-config is toast 22:31:34 LiamH: so what do I do if it's not symmetric? 22:32:13 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:27 redscare: Look through GSL documentation, find the right GSL function, then use #'gsl-lookup on it. 22:32:28 LiamH: sorry that came out rude, thanks for the great library, i'm just wondering since my matricies may not be symmetric 22:33:37 stassats: my understanding is gsl-config gets installed when gsl does, but I think its need is obsolete now, I can just rely on CFFI to find the library correctly. 22:34:04 yes, i didn't have libgsl0-dev installed 22:36:51 LiamH: nevermind about the bug, i was looking for eigenvalues-nonsym 22:36:54 redscare: give this a whirl: (gsl:eigenvalues-nonsymm (grid:make-foreign-array 'double-float :initial-contents '((1.0 2.0) (3.0 4.0)))) 22:37:36 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.23.157] has joined #lisp 22:38:22 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:42 vkrest [~vkrest@mpk-nat-3.thefacebook.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:35 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:11 (gsl:eigenvalues-nonsymm #1=(grid:make-foreign-array 'double-float :initial-contents '((1.0 2.0) (3.0 4.0))) #1#) segfaults... 22:40:15 if that's important 22:40:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-70-245.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:13 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E5B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:41:16 stassats: you're passing the matrix in as the array to hold the eigenvalues? 22:41:36 I'm not sure how to interpret the "#1#" 22:41:40 i know it's wrong, but a segfault is not what i'm used to when doing wrong things in lisp 22:41:50 Well shit 22:42:02 It's calling a foreign library 22:42:49 So I guess I should have check-type and asserts everywhere. But that would slow things down. 22:42:58 can it check for suitable dimensions? 22:43:05 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:43:06 does gsl use LAPACK/BLAS? 22:43:20 stassats: yes, at some cost of course 22:43:27 redscare: uses BLAS 22:43:33 not LAPACK 22:43:57 optionally? 22:44:06 not everybody wants to butcher their whole session 22:44:35 statssats: yeah, I guess. I wish there were a way to conditionalize on how the safety level is set, so e.g. put in check-type etc. if safety=3. 22:45:15 a variable might do 22:45:17 Actually even have a type declaration turned into a check-type if safety=3 would be good in general. 22:45:22 That way lies IR1-hacking in SBCL. 22:45:29 LiamH, I wrote a library for conditionalizing that stuff 22:45:41 https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/policy-cond 22:45:51 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:00 should be in quicklisp 22:46:25 Quadrescence: Thanks, looks interesting. 22:47:01 Quadrescence: what about using that for reader-conditionals? 22:47:25 do you have a functions which generates (and) or (or) based on the condition? 22:47:28 Auto converting type declarations into check-type if safety is high enough is a separate issue I guess. 22:47:49 LiamH: sbcl does that for free 22:47:54 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.119.107] has joined #lisp 22:48:04 stassats, I don't know about reader conditionals enough to do that 22:48:04 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:48:07 stassats: really? 22:48:27 declaration with safety > 0 is an assertion 22:48:35 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 22:48:51 and this macro can't be used to expand into declarations because of macro-declaration rules, as far as I know. 22:49:13 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:24 (()) 22:49:28 Quadrescence: #+#.(cl:if cl:t '(and) '(or)) 1 22:50:03 so, you need a function that takes declaration specifications , and returns '(:and) if it's true, '(:or) if it's not 22:50:16 stassats, I guess if #. macroexpands, then that could work 22:50:31 surely it does 22:50:49 #. does a full eval doesn't it 22:50:50 also, since #+ parses into :keyword, you might parse :speed and :< and :> for convenience 22:51:35 #+#.(policy-cond ((> speed safety) '(and)) (t '(or)))), or something 22:51:46 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:52:16 that's not easy to use 22:52:34 it's easy to use but it's not pretty 22:52:38 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52:43 it has to be #+#.(policy-cond:policy-cond ((cl:> cl:speed cl:safety) '(and)) ('(or))) 22:52:53 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:53:10 *drmeister* draws back in horror 22:53:29 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:57 stassats, suggest a better interface and i will be happy to add it 22:53:58 if you parsed a form with :>, :<, :etc, then it could be just #+#.(policy-cond:policy-if (> speed 3)) 22:54:05 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 22:54:16 parsing :and and :or would be useful too 22:54:26 Ah, good old "#+#.". Fun and games. 22:54:37 suggest (and maybe write) because I don't have a lot of time right now 22:54:39 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:41 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 22:54:57 -!- wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:55:09 i think :and, :or, :not, :<, :=, :>, :<=, :>=, :/= should do 22:55:53 optionally, transplant all the keywords from the form into the CL package 22:56:15 -!- dmitry [~textual@178.162.95.192] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 22:56:41 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 22:56:57 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZZ] 22:57:14 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:57:45 an ideally ideal would be to put a version of policy-if for #+ into the keyword package: #+#.(policy-if (> speed 3)), but that wouldn't work quite readily on lispworks and present possibility for clashes with rival policy-ifs 22:59:35 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:49 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:00:32 an alternative: #@(> speed 3), but that's more clashes with readtables, named-readtables, etc. 23:01:16 zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 23:02:55 Quadrescence: what about adding a package policy, which would have #+ versions of if and cond? 23:03:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:08 #+#.(policy:if (> speed 3)) 23:03:23 sounds like a good idea 23:03:29 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 23:03:55 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-163-187.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.23.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:16 -!- centrx [~centrx@pool-72-74-93-238.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 23:07:50 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 23:11:30 Quadrescence: http://paste.lisp.org/display/141014 23:12:53 policy:cond doesn't make much sense 23:13:48 -!- bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:53 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:09 probably the whole policy-cond doesn't work well with local declarations, does it? 23:16:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17:21 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:35 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 23:19:42 no, works well on SBCL 23:20:33 The problem with this approach is that it doesn't work with local policy declarations, does it? 23:20:56 #+? right 23:21:35 a macro would work, so, the whole #+#. idea is useless 23:22:01 You're saying the #+ stuff doesn't work with declarations? 23:22:02 sellout- [~Adium@184-96-140-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:12 local declarations 23:22:41 they don't have a chance to be processed at read-time 23:23:44 (defun f (x) #+speedy (declare (type fixnum x)) (floor x 2)) does not work? Ugh, that's so annoying. 23:24:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:24:37 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:24:43 and macros can't expand into declarations, right 23:24:52 I just knew about that rule. 23:25:37 but you can expand into locally 23:25:45 yeah 23:26:16 stassats, I added it, https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/policy-cond 23:26:38 ckoch786 [~ckoch786@ne102611l.eng.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 23:27:00 it should mention that it doesn't work with local declarations 23:27:23 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 23:28:25 What's the best approach for turning s-expressions representing another programming language into a string representation of that language? I guess it's sort of like a reverse flex where you want strings from symbols? 23:28:37 -!- ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-94-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:28:59 "programming" 23:29:09 that's the approach i would try 23:29:14 tolk` [~user@host162.190-137-232.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:29:54 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-94-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:02 I wrote something with lots of case and tail recursion in Scheme to do something similar a while back but it's fairly time consuming, and not a complete representation of the language (in that case, it was targetting strings of JavaScript). 23:30:22 parenscript? 23:30:25 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30:27 So, yeah, I can do it, but if there's a library that does something similar I don't want to spend all week doing a less-complete, slower implementation of that. 23:30:38 stassats: Right, but this time I want to target GLSL. 23:31:04 stassats, Is the relevant line from the standard "Macro forms cannot expand into declarations; declare expressions must appear as actual subexpressions of the form to which they refer."? 23:31:13 -!- tolk [~user@host162.190-226-74.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:31:29 relevant for what? 23:31:46 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2ad0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 23:31:47 As to why a reader macro can't include or exclude a local declaration. 23:31:55 no 23:32:35 a reader macro i pasted can't exclude it because it's the declaration is processed at read-time, before the compiler processes declarations 23:33:04 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:39 i edited the message too much 23:34:43 In any case, I added a note. 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