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n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has joined #lisp 01:59:52 drmeister: the clang ast stuff looks like it be more useful than my old gcc-xml-ffi stuff 02:01:50 slyrus: Thanks - it's only possible because clang provides so much functionality for generating and searching ASTs 02:02:36 Are there any reading materials on the productivity of Lisp compared to other languages? Either quantitative or qualitative, but based off of some experience or data. 02:04:24 Quadrescence: hmm... not exactly about lisp per-se, but there was a book and paper about "programmer's apprentice" project, or something like that, which used Lisp 02:04:53 and kind of produced a possibly more advanced in certain terms IDE, which served as titular "apprentice" 02:05:05 -!- MightyJoe [~joe@189.224.144.193] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:05 there are the memoirs from JPL, those might be more on topic for that, and there was of course PG's story with viaweb... I think there's more cases, but not necessarily available. 02:06:08 -!- pillton [~user@202-173-170-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:07:45 MightyJoe [~joe@189.224.144.193] has joined #lisp 02:10:39 Quadrescence: norvig has a thing on his website about a phone number thing 02:11:30 Quadrescence: I came across "An Experiment in Software Prototyping Productivity" by Hudak and Jones recently. It's not Common Lisp, and it's pretty thin (just one program was implemented and by different teams) 02:12:40 -!- pmai [~user@178-27-52-190-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 02:13:07 Vivitron, ah yes completely forgot about that! 02:13:41 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.147.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:15:50 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:7956:8078:37e6:a230] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:19:32 pjb: UNWIND-PROTECT is a tricky construct to compile - I just realized that I messed it up in the event that a non-local exit takes place within the protected form - thanks for the example. 02:20:43 ubikation [~user@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:20 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:30 hello! my emacs slime doesn't work if I try to M-. over a function in quicklisp. I have emacs-24 and slime from quicklisp. 02:23:05 zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:31 ubikation: what CL implementation and what happens when you M-.? 02:24:29 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:41 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:1574:89f:2420:e3ea] has joined #lisp 02:25:50 Hmm, there might be a simple fix - I think the problem is that I'm not initializing where I save the results of the protected-form in the event there is a a non-local exit from the protected-form. 02:27:42 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:28 -!- MightyJoe [~joe@189.224.144.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:25 Why would you need to save the results if there is a non-local exit? 02:30:34 MightyJoe [~joe@189.224.144.193] has joined #lisp 02:31:06 Doesn't unwind-protect just map to try-finally-throw? 02:31:28 er, try-finally-[rethrow] 02:33:08 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:14 Zhivago: Exactly, there are no results if there is a non-local exit but the cleanup code in the cleanup-form doesn't know that there was a non-local exit and it was trying to read the results (which contained a NULL pointer). 02:33:46 hmm... how does one get back from "switch to native debugger 02:33:49 " in slime 02:33:50 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:34:37 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:30 or, perhaps more generally, how does one step through code in slime/sbcl? 02:35:41 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.195.229] has joined #lisp 02:37:28 slyrus: If you figure out how to do that - please tell me. I have a love/hate relationship with slime. 02:38:30 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 02:38:43 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:39:04 *drmeister* realizes that writing good debugger support code is hard. 02:39:32 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 02:40:33 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 02:44:37 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-eepohaebyhsziige] has joined #lisp 02:45:21 kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 02:45:25 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:45:35 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:47:56 Xach: I am using sbcl 1.1.1.0 from the ubuntu 13.10 repo and when I M-. I get cond: No known definition for: make-cons-queue-instance (in #:lparallel.cons-queue) 02:48:28 Is that software loaded? You can't M-. into software that is not yet loaded. 02:48:46 e.g. does (find-package 'lparallel.cons-queue) return a package object? 02:49:17 prxq__ [~mommer@x2f6a59a.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:52:31 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6aa23.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:53:49 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 02:54:45 zyder [~zyder@cpe-74-76-255-20.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:00:08 yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has joined #lisp 03:04:20 -!- cmpitg|zZzZz is now known as cmpitg 03:08:23 -!- cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10:27 ubikation: the suspense is killing me 03:11:24 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:59 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 03:12:25 yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has joined #lisp 03:14:34 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 03:14:34 kristof_ [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:17:03 looks like timoore is still committing stuff to mcclim on github 03:17:12 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:25 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p578FCC80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:30 -!- davazp [~user@14.Red-79-152-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:35 holycow [~holycow@pdpc/supporter/bronze/holycow] has joined #lisp 03:23:31 leo2007 [~leo@123.122.52.228] has joined #lisp 03:23:45 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 03:27:35 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:28:27 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:29:38 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 03:30:34 gdluckmyw [~gdluckmyw@c-69-244-156-92.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:36 -!- gdluckmyw [~gdluckmyw@c-69-244-156-92.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 03:31:37 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:01 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.186.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:32:58 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:37 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has joined #lisp 03:34:32 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:36:09 pmai [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 03:36:17 Xach: Sorry! Just had to step out for a sec. I didn't have it quickloaded, that was the issue. Thank you! 03:38:14 phew 03:38:58 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.68.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:41:18 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 03:41:22 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 03:41:31 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:45:38 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8178f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:46:13 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:46:50 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.203.225] has quit [Quit: ...] 03:49:11 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:01 maury chaykin on trailer park boys :~( 03:52:13 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 03:53:06 nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8178f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 03:53:26 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 03:54:09 oops. wrong channel. 03:56:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 03:56:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 03:56:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:57:31 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:40 pjb: Are you still online? That unwind-protect test you posted before - it should return nil if no return-from is generated - correct? 03:58:23 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:59:47 -!- linuxonapotato [~sirdancea@194.228.11.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:00:24 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:03:35 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:04:48 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:07 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:09:17 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8178f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:09:25 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 04:11:25 does shelisp or inferior-shell have good support for pipes? I'm looking for something close to http://scsh.net/ 04:11:40 yes, inferior-shell has decent (I wouldn't say "good") support for pipes 04:11:40 Fare, memo from mathrick: so I've been reading a bit through the Baker's paper, but it's still not clear to me what exactly the benefits of linear logic and lack of GC are. Ie. what exactly will moll give me in practical terms compared to some other implementation strategy, and what will I pay for those benefits? 04:12:12 i.e. in the current portable implementation, if the pipe is non-trivial, it actually spawns a /bin/sh 04:12:40 Fare: I guess I don't understand why that is significant 04:13:00 there was an attempt of a native sbcl implementation, but I disabled it because there are too many cases it didn't cover. Also it's way out of date wrt latest uiop/run-program enhancements. 04:13:13 it shouldn't be significant, that's the point 04:13:32 should I use uiop/run-program instead? 04:13:48 you can use inferior-shell, and if some lisper even truly cares about short-circuiting /bin/sh in complex cases, he can implement it, and you don't have to care. 04:14:19 the latest uiop/run-program even has a semi-portable layer for asynchronous execution 04:14:46 Fare: so if I get stuck performance wise I can look at run-program? 04:16:43 it seems like I should be using uiop? it seems to have everything for implementing a shell, and trivial shell seems like a small codebase right? 04:18:42 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-138-146.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:18:50 slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:57 Good morning everyone! 04:19:26 if you get stuck performance-wise, use native libraries, not external programs. 04:19:37 inferior-shell uses uiop internally 04:19:38 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:19:43 Xach: moore33 told me he just pushed some old commits and that his repository is now ready for me to clone. 04:19:52 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:20:15 inferior-shell is a layer around uiop/run-program that provides pipes and argument splicing 04:20:15 Fare: thank you for your time 04:20:53 uiop/run-program tries to have a minimal API without any magic at all. 04:21:04 as it should — it's a portability layer. 04:24:27 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25:09 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-76-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:26:22 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26:55 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:04 n0n0 [~n0n0___@75.144.20.73] has joined #lisp 04:28:26 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:39 -!- CrazyEddy [~Rogationt@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:29:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 04:33:15 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:33:23 -!- zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:34:03 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:36:39 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177961259.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 04:37:26 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:38:13 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:45 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:41:19 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 04:41:45 oxum [~oxum@122.164.120.206] has joined #lisp 04:42:04 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 04:44:38 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:46:51 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:51:56 zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:47 -!- ubikation [~user@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:29 Xach: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM is the new GIT repository for McCLIM. 05:00:15 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:57 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:05:23 Fare: depends what is the action... sometimes pushing into separate program with IPC might work better (and give certain other benefits) 05:05:48 -!- kristof_ is now known as kristof 05:05:50 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:51 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:05:51 kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 05:10:06 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 05:22:30 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 05:25:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 05:27:36 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:24 beach: does it include the fixes for asdf3 that rpgoldman committed to cvs last year? doesn't look like it does 05:29:50 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 05:30:20 alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:31:41 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:34:10 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 05:34:53 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:39:15 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-9-197.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:42:14 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:42:51 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 05:43:44 *Fare* takes it to github 05:45:41 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:47:25 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:47:45 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 05:49:53 Fare: I have no idea. 05:51:58 Fare: It would be much easier for me if I got those fixes in a form that I could use them directly with GIT. 05:55:05 not my problem anymore 05:55:37 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 05:55:51 how did you import the cvs? which cvs did you use? 05:56:20 I've forgotten how to use CVS -- THANK GOD! 05:57:51 Fare: I did not import the CVS. I followed the recommendation of several people and cloned the repository of moore33. 06:03:19 cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 06:04:18 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:04:44 PickledBarrelAss [~PickledBa@gateway/tor-sasl/pickledbarrelass] has joined #lisp 06:04:48 -!- PickledBarrelAss [~PickledBa@gateway/tor-sasl/pickledbarrelass] has left #lisp 06:05:47 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:05:56 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 06:06:26 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 06:06:37 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:06:41 dunno about moore33 06:07:02 moore33 is Tim Moore. 06:07:12 when I asked on the mailinglist no one replied, except rpg, who committed fixes to cvs 06:07:33 That's very nice of him. 06:08:32 I'm trying to move out of Common Lisp 06:08:40 you'll have trouble if you don't fix your asdf 06:08:45 -!- holycow [~holycow@pdpc/supporter/bronze/holycow] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:09:01 your mcclim.asd 06:09:30 Fare: Thanks for pointing that out. 06:09:52 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.137.220] has joined #lisp 06:09:54 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:20 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.172] has joined #lisp 06:10:20 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 06:11:34 cleaning up the horrors in mcclim.asd was a throwback to the ugly ASDF1 days, and why I started to hack ASDF to begin with. 06:12:52 I recommend embracing asdf3. Only LispWorks doesn't come with it builtin (only has 2.019), and next release this year will have it. 06:15:03 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:17:06 ggole [~ggole@106-68-68-57.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:20:01 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:38 fare: where are you moving to? 06:26:38 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:1574:89f:2420:e3ea] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:27:47 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 06:29:36 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 06:29:38 -!- effy [~x@114.246.85.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:29:57 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.137.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31:58 nauar [~nauar@195.53.22.2] has joined #lisp 06:32:03 Grunt|2 [~nauar@195.53.22.2] has joined #lisp 06:33:42 -!- nauar [~nauar@195.53.22.2] has quit [Client Quit] 06:33:46 -!- Grunt|2 [~nauar@195.53.22.2] has quit [Client Quit] 06:33:51 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 06:33:57 nauar [~nauar@195.53.22.2] has joined #lisp 06:34:23 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:36:19 -!- Watcher7 [~w@adsl-108-210-216-110.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: h] 06:36:55 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:42:34 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:44:43 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:44:54 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:45:04 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:46:36 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-138-146.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 06:47:38 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:49:22 effy [~x@114.246.172.174] has joined #lisp 06:50:23 ubikation [~user@c-67-166-81-173.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:05 hello! I was wondering what the point of using a grave/backquote if there are no commas in the code? 06:51:47 Not a great deal. 06:54:27 don't think there is one 06:56:13 also #+ is a 'compiler directive' if I wanted to look it up? 06:56:40 No, it's a reader macro 06:57:09 It affects what READ returns for a given input 06:57:38 if you want to look it up we got this neat bot 06:57:38 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:57:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:57:38 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:57:40 clhs #+ 06:57:41 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhq.htm 06:59:15 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zxjcvqpjvkgglhab] has joined #lisp 06:59:16 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zxjcvqpjvkgglhab] has quit [Changing host] 06:59:16 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:00:35 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:21 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:04:48 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:05:14 Xach and Bike: thank you! 07:06:15 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:23 ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:06:49 syrinx_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 07:08:23 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:09:18 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:10:42 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:02 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:10 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:12:14 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:20 ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:12:39 patojo [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:57 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:13:00 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 07:15:52 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:17:01 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:17:01 -!- patojo [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:17:52 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:08 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:18:59 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19:42 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-20-134.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:47 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21:48 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21:57 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:22:37 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:00 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:24:22 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 07:26:10 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:26:26 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:26:48 I'm sorry I asked earlier and I forgot the code. How could I find libraries that depend on a given library in quicklisp? 07:29:15 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:38 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 07:33:42 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:34:20 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:34:26 minion: memo for Quadrescence: see http://cliki.net/Performance 07:34:26 Remembered. I'll tell Quadrescence when he/she/it next speaks. 07:35:20 minion: memo for drmeister: use this macro: (defmacro test (n) `(block test (let ((n ,n)) (prog1 ,(generate-nested-unwind-protect n) (assert (zerop n)))))) ; to see the 33 being returned. 07:35:20 Remembered. 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I just disliked it less than the then available alternative, and even then, part of the cost of moving away from CL was because of my using it at work, which I don't anymore indeed. 08:14:18 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 08:14:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:15:30 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.53] has joined #lisp 08:15:35 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16:23 -!- zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:16:26 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-grnawwhuoaswsznk] has joined #lisp 08:18:13 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:13 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:19:06 so what's a better lisp than CL? or are you moving out of lisp entirely? 08:19:34 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:44 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 08:24:38 what language(s) are you moving to? 08:26:21 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:28:47 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:28:50 heydabop [~bopit@209.148.87.112] has joined #lisp 08:29:03 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29:23 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:29:39 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 08:30:11 can anyone help me with an issue? very new to lisp, trying to figure out why this code wont loop http://pastebin.com/NPBL9hqb 08:30:22 its not near finished, but id at least like to get this part working 08:30:36 B is a vector of lists of vectors 08:31:03 err, B is a list, *moves* is a vector of lists of vectors 08:31:17 and the first element in B is nil, if that matters 08:31:50 as far as i can tell, the loop terminates after just looking at the first element in B 08:32:04 Perhaps you don't want "in". 08:34:14 which one? 08:34:17 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:35:10 Double check what B is. 08:35:36 Line 2 makes me doubt your story. 08:36:28 If it is a list, then you should be able to test your theory with (loop for x in B do (print x)) before your current loop. 08:39:30 doing that gets me what i expect, it prints nil followed by 14 T's 08:39:46 num-pegs is a function that counts the number of true values in the list 08:44:48 i think ive done something wrong with the if in the second loop 08:46:24 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.195.229] has left #lisp 08:47:52 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 08:48:09 yup 08:49:38 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has joined #lisp 08:51:29 zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 08:51:49 harish [~harish@175.156.193.24] has joined #lisp 08:58:05 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 09:00:32 why is emacs so unstable 09:01:52 like 09:02:00 is lisp inherently awful? or emacs lisp? or c? 09:02:17 robiv: emacs is not "unstable". you are doing something wrong. 09:02:18 <|3b|> all of the above? 09:02:30 All of the above, yes. 09:02:55 <|3b|> awful all the way down to the CPU, maybe even to the physics :p 09:04:29 #lisp 200 09:04:33 oops 09:05:04 Probably because emacs was not designed to be emacs. 09:05:07 downto quantum mechanics - hopeless unreliable 09:05:37 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 09:05:45 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:05:46 Hoping for a universe rewrite one of these days. 09:06:43 -!- prxq__ is now known as prxq 09:10:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10:39 01:05:04 < Zhivago> Probably because emacs was not designed to be emacs. 09:10:41 haha 09:10:51 rms is a sneaky bastard 09:10:59 syamajala [~syamajala@vis035b.sophia.inria.fr] has joined #lisp 09:11:07 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:35 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:52 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:13:55 -!- cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:14:16 Don't trust any software that is able to read email 09:16:08 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:16:32 -!- nug700 [~nug700@71-223-14-137.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:17:25 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:20:00 loke_: But every program expands until it can read mail or is replaced by one that can. 09:20:10 robiv: i concur that you are doing something wrong. Emacs is quite stable. 09:20:13 Shinmera: Exactly! 09:20:20 oh 09:20:20 loke_: So we're doomed? 09:20:27 maybe it's more that ERC is unstable for me 09:21:06 I guess the solution is to write new software faster than the rate at which older software gains email reading capability? 09:21:12 that's different. IME ERC sucks. But that'd be off-topic here. 09:21:58 rcirc causes some Emacs instability too, I have to reboot Emacs about once a week to once a month because of it 09:24:51 pillton [~user@202-173-162-151.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:26:25 you guys need to spend some time with eclipse or intellij in order to appreciate how long emacs can run unrebooted 09:27:01 Shinmera: Pretty much. Yach 09:27:03 Yeah 09:27:33 maxx` [~cgiirc@mistero.ircgate.it] has joined #lisp 09:27:38 hi 09:27:57 I was a bit surprised that CL does not require TCO. why is that? 09:28:04 "100 days, 1 hour, 49 minutes". (running ERC. My #lisp buffer is 149klines long) 09:28:34 CL was designed by taking a bunch of existing dialects and smashing them together with a hammer, and then scraping off all of the tricky bits. 09:28:42 TCO was one of those tricky bits. 09:28:54 maxx`: also, tail call optimization is not essential for cl to work 09:29:53 H4ns: oh, I woulnd't use anything other than Emacs even if I had to reboot it daily 09:30:18 maxx`: Also, guaranteed TCO would still be messy, as you would need to know the call-chraacteristics of every single macro form 09:30:32 maxx`: also, the *standard* document doesn't require that implementations provide TCO, some might still implement it 09:30:39 i like common lisp a lot 09:30:48 maxx`: for example, would (foo) be in a tail-call position here? (with-foo (bar) (foo)) 09:31:03 I guess that in order for existing implementations at the time of editing the standard to be standard compliant it wasn't possible to include TCO in the standard 09:31:08 Personally, I think that TCO is best made explicit. 09:31:31 Zhivago: agree 09:31:43 dim: I'm surprised you didn't start using CL earlier 09:31:44 Initially CL was marketed a bit like posix. 09:32:07 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-amohsjqamkmzhxnr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:32:23 Vendors were expected to provide a CL package or whatever that allowed CL code to run on their implementations. 09:32:25 okflo [~user@62-46-135-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 09:32:31 Zhivago: the irony :D 09:33:05 fe[nl]ix: yeah, took me quite a long time to discover it, I begin playing with "FP" with Erlang in 2000/2001 and with lisp around 2003, but only for fun... only began to consider CL as a serious choice against python 2 or 3 years ago, after a serious elisp period 09:34:03 Elisp can be painful. My current elisp project is 2.5 k lines and I'm getting to the limit of when it starts to get rather painful 09:34:35 agreed, as soon as I allowed myself coding in CL I've about stopped writing elisp... I don't think it just happened 09:38:01 Krystof: why addDelegation(Shark, HealthyShark) [as opposed to aD(HS,S)? Or is this the essence of prototypes? 09:38:23 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:38:42 dim: When extending Emacs, there is little choice though :-( 09:38:48 If only climacs was usable 09:39:31 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:40:06 yeah 09:40:56 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-dlxgppifrhkzhaed] has joined #lisp 09:41:19 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 09:41:23 So sad that climacs only comes in DRM-encumbered binary form. Oh. wait... 09:41:59 *splittist__* thinks that came off snarkier than he intended 09:42:33 climacs only comes in mcclim-encumbered form, which isn't much better 09:49:24 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:05 -!- heydabop [~bopit@209.148.87.112] has left #lisp 09:51:44 guardianx [guardian@124-171-201-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:52:14 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@170-5.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:53:42 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:55:30 neoncort` [~neoncorte@177.39.189.243] has joined #lisp 09:55:49 -!- neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:58:21 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:59:55 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has joined #lisp 10:00:54 there was Tom Tromey's project to port Emacs to CL 10:01:03 but I don't know of any progress made 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should start out as baby sharks, you can change the delegation of the Shark prototype and not have to modify your program 12:31:02 but I dunno, I'm not sure I understand prototypes either 12:31:53 -!- zophy [sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36:56 smull [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:38:36 matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:26 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:41:34 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 12:42:10 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:43:23 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:42 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:16 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.217.162] has joined #lisp 12:45:46 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 12:48:05 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several other issues ended up with me mentioning the cache pruning idea and reporters being happy ever after 12:55:23 is there something I can do about it? 12:55:26 -!- LoicLisp [~loic@133.36.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:39 I would like not to have the rm -rf bits right in the Makefile 12:55:43 would be... blunt. 12:55:45 some of the libraries you use have incomplete dependencies in their .asd 12:55:59 that's the most likely source 12:56:00 ooh 12:56:21 so if I extend my asd dependencies to include the missing ones, it should be fine? 12:56:42 no, you need to find the problem and fix their .asd 12:56:56 well that's the best course of action of course 12:57:08 I'm trying to understand if there's a way to mitigate that meantime 12:57:53 usually it's something like c.lisp -> b.lisp and b.lisp -> a.lisp but also a missing c.lisp -> a.lisp 12:58:13 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:58:16 oh file-based dependencies 12:58:23 I was already way into systems 12:58:36 it could be that pgloader itself is faulty then 12:58:38 so that works when ASDF compiles a.lisp, b.lisp and c.lisp in that order but it won't work when loading the fasls in a fresh environment 12:59:14 KaiQ [~localhost@wlan242113.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 12:59:27 that may be 12:59:31 I think I did assume that files dependencies where transitive in ASDF 12:59:49 so I never declared c.lisp -> a.lisp dependencies in the asd file 12:59:58 (within your example) 13:00:19 you need to declare all direct dependencies 13:00:34 will review that then, thanks a lot 13:00:41 if c uses stuff from a you can't rely on b bringing those in 13:00:49 I wouldn't be surprised it's all down to pgloader itself knowing that 13:01:08 the easiest thing is to use :serial t in the definition of your system 13:01:33 I'm using that 13:01:46 but then I didn't pay attention to actually list the files in the serial dependency ordering 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classes.fasl wasn't invalidated 13:23:05 I used to tweak lparallel compile options in pgloader 13:23:16 that was before I prepared binary packages for CentOS and debian 13:23:33 ogamita: nice, thanks 13:23:35 which means that now make-scheduler calls make-scheduler-instance which is not defined 13:23:56 (pushnew :lparallel.with-vector-queue *features*) 13:24:05 remember not to ever use reader macros in a .asd 13:24:08 I still have that, which happens way too late anyways 13:24:14 I meant reader conditionals 13:24:34 now back to work 13:24:35 so it's a problem with lparallel then? 13:24:41 thanks a lot ;-) 13:25:24 yes, that .asd is crazy 13:25:46 i'd rather stop using asdf than abandon reader conditionals 13:25:57 my quick fix would be to fork it, remove all conditionals and include it into my project while changing the package name 13:26:04 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:06 stassats: even if limited to abandoning them within the asd file? 13:26:21 ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 13:26:22 stassats: do you have a better alternative ? 13:26:25 I'm trying not to fork any lib 13:26:36 dim: i never had any problems, yes 13:26:55 i had more problems with asdf trying to be smart 13:27:07 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:27:37 -!- killmaster [~killmaste@unaffiliated/killmaster/x-109233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:28:17 well how to you load libs then? manually using load compile-file etc? 13:29:03 killmaster [~killmaste@70.105.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 13:30:10 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@wlan242113.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:49 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.230.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:31:04 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.230.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:14 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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13:50:55 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has left #lisp 13:50:57 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 13:51:16 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:11 well, it fixed several bugs that were annoying the heck out of me... 13:52:44 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:40 Now mel-base has disappeared. 13:53:48 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-208.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:20 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 13:55:00 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:55:30 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:47 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:56:17 I'm not Jochen about that. 13:56:32 ha ha ha 13:57:10 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] 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But I think I'll stop thinking about it for a bit... 14:00:30 -!- neoncort` [~neoncorte@177.39.189.243] has quit [Changing host] 14:00:30 neoncort` [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 14:00:41 -!- neoncort` is now known as neoncortex 14:01:29 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:02:31 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-82-130.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:41 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:42 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 14:04:27 So close to the needed neonsquare! ...but no cigar. 14:05:42 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:39 Xach: in what sense has it disappeared? 14:07:41 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:03 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 14:08:05 The host from which I fetched its sources is returning 404 for all paths, including the former git repo 14:08:18 pmeta.net is the host 14:08:52 Ah. Not the github one, then. 14:09:26 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 14:09:45 Didn't know about that one! 14:10:04 Geez, that looks way more likely to be available for a while. 14:10:05 *Xach* switches 14:10:30 My work here is done. 14:10:42 (If only my work /here/ was done...) 14:11:17 Does p.l.o have RSS feed? 14:11:21 Yes. 14:11:30 -!- guardianx [guardian@124-171-201-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:34 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:03 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-76-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 Hm, I can't find the link anywhere. 14:12:46 it's right there 14:12:53 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:54 http://planet.lisp.org/rss20.xml 14:13:08 -!- frxx is now known as frx 14:13:32 Xach: why are the dates for "Berlin Lispers Meetup" in the past and red? 14:13:44 I have a bug in my calendar parsing program. 14:13:49 I would like to fix it sometime. 14:13:50 Ah, the link was RSS icon and it was specified in headers. I see. 14:13:57 drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.23.62] has joined #lisp 14:14:08 I should have looked at it, sorry for bothering you. 14:14:21 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 14:14:52 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:20 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 14:16:16 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:16:45 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:17:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.23.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:51 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:21:08 hi, which is THE recommended image manipulation suite please? I know of the list: http://www.cliki.net/Graphics%20library 14:21:23 puchacz: I don't think there is one. 14:21:32 What do you want to do? 14:22:37 now, a very simple thing, just find out sizes of my images in the library 14:22:56 but I would prefer to stick to one that is more capable in case I want something more 14:23:03 *|3b|* usually uses opticl 14:23:12 Ahh! I have code to do that for png, jpeg, gif, tiff, and some other formats, but I have not bundled it up into something simple to use :( 14:23:35 you could just use cairo bindings 14:23:39 it is for the web in general; I prefer no native bindings 14:24:21 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:24:21 puchacz: i have used cl-gd for that type of work in the past 14:24:37 puchacz: it supports most common image formats and is easy to use. 14:24:56 oki, Ediware 14:25:00 I will give it a go! 14:25:01 thanks 14:25:32 Edi needs a gold Ediware badge to put on his projects :p 14:26:01 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:26:08 argh, native bindings! 14:26:35 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26:51 Spoiler: you have native bindings to your OS, too :p 14:27:33 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:33 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:27:48 inlisp [~user@60.221.115.252] has joined #lisp 14:28:19 I will try opticl 14:28:40 puchacz: when you say "the web in general", do you mean you have many different formats to support? 14:29:02 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-177-191.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:29:30 now my requirement is very simple, just check sizes of jpegs, pngs and maybe few others, I did not check. but it would be nice to use "the best" library out there 14:29:43 check size and resize 14:30:01 puchacz: and how do "native bindings" not work for you? 14:30:09 puchacz: are you on an usual platform? 14:30:25 I would prefer not to have prblems between sbcl 64 bit and lispworks 32 bit 14:30:29 both on linux 64 bit 14:30:37 i see 14:30:50 MoALTz [~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:31:04 there shouldn't be any problems 14:31:16 of course not. 14:31:43 You won't find anything written in pure Common Lisp that will do a very good job resizing images. 14:31:45 seriously? 14:31:52 Seriously. 14:32:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:13 ok, I will take a chance with native bindings then.... 14:32:16 (ouch) 14:32:27 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 14:32:32 nialo-2 [~yaaic@66-87-84-110.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:10 *rszeno* bindings to image magick, maybe? 14:33:18 good one 14:33:26 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-82-130.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33:28 I use image magick through convert program in CLI 14:33:44 is there a library that wraps it nicely in lisp? 14:34:21 -!- jackdaniel [~jack@hellsgate.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:22 so you rather want to start an extra process for each image manipulation and query option than link to a library that does it? 14:34:33 no 14:34:36 lightweight 14:34:47 I did not realise imagemagick would do it 14:35:04 I would really do cairo. The Cairo API is so esteemed it may become part of the C++ standard library 14:35:28 that doesn't sound like a compliment 14:35:59 I realized that after I said it 14:36:07 I understand Edi's cl-gd is web friendly, i.e. no process spawning, isn't it? 14:36:13 -!- inlisp [~user@60.221.115.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:37 puchacz: it is calling the gd library through ffi. don't know what "web friendly" means in that context. 14:37:06 running perl in CGI is not web friendly, a process per request for example 14:39:03 puchacz: have a look at https://github.com/hanshuebner/quickhoney/tree/master/src for some examples of how cl-gd can be used to perform server-side image editing in a web server. 14:39:04 You could always start by spawning a process, and when your popularity and wealth requires it, hire someone to fix it not to do that. 14:39:17 or buy more computers 14:39:21 :-) 14:39:29 right, I am sticking with cl-gd for now 14:39:38 *Xach* generates tens of thousands of images with sb-ext:run-program on "convert" 14:39:56 I was lazy and it has not gotten too slow yet (8 years later) 14:40:32 fork+exec have become amazingly fast over the years 14:41:07 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-166-123-23.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:43:35 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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*Adlai* checked on CLiki but found nothing; are there better places to search these days? 16:46:57 Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:55 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 16:48:26 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-35.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:33 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-grnawwhuoaswsznk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:41 -!- ykm [~ykm@58.146.126.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:53 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:56:00 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:56:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:45 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:56:59 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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There are some subset on quicklisp or on quickdocs. 17:02:06 Adlai: perhaps asking in #lispweb would give more precise answers. 17:02:10 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:31 But given that WebSocket is not a finished standard, it's not surprising there's no CL implementation YET. Perhaps you could do something nice for CL, like getting on the WebSocket standardization commitee, and providing a reference implementation in CL? 17:03:41 percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has joined #lisp 17:05:41 -!- LiamH [~none@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:05:48 ogamita: I would not have much respect for any standards committee which would accept me as a member :-P 17:05:54 ck [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:09 MoALTz_ [~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:08:29 puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:08:58 Patzy_ [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:02 Tordek_ [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-auehtvpaaaacjphj] has joined #lisp 17:09:08 smull_ [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 17:09:09 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- nialo` [~bcoburn@bcoburn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:10 -!- smull [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-mzpngewnichbitvr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:14 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:09:20 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- ck` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6a59a.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:23 -!- thaum [~arun@122.167.240.16] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:09:32 Xach: Having an issue with 'zpng'. I've written a small exception report here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140978 , currently I have no ideas as to what could be going wrong. Would appreciate some pointers. 17:09:40 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-47.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 17:09:41 klltkr [~textual@host86-185-214-199.range86-185.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:42 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:42 prxq [~mommer@x2f6a59a.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 17:09:48 j0ni_ [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:55 -!- klltkr [~textual@host86-185-214-199.range86-185.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:55 klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 17:09:57 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-47.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:57 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 17:09:57 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 17:10:03 slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:27 Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:10:50 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:10:58 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.146] has joined #lisp 17:12:16 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.217.162] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:12:23 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@195.180.2.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:45 francis_wolke: thanks. it looks like a bug in zpng to me. 17:14:04 Can you add that info to https://github.com/xach/zpng/issues ? That will help me not to lose track of it. 17:14:09 I can't fix it right away, sorry. 17:14:29 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:45 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:14:55 nialo` [~bcoburn@bcoburn.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:56 -!- askatasu1 [~askatasun@host135.201-252-35.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 17:15:28 askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has joined #lisp 17:15:36 Xach: Any ideas what is going wrong? I don't mind investigating. Also, adding issue on github. 17:15:49 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16:59 The first problem I understand. It's hardcoding a type that it shouldn't hardcode. The second problem may be that I just didn't think channel depths > 8 bits per pixel through properly. I'm not sure, though. 17:17:17 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:17:20 The first fix is trivial, the second fix may require a lot of work, but figuring out if it's a lot of work will take more work than I can do quickly. 17:19:22 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:26 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 17:19:56 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:20:01 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 17:21:00 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:22:52 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 17:22:56 LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has joined #lisp 17:23:51 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:23:53 -!- francis_wolke [4441a942@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.65.169.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:23:59 -!- yacks 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-!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:44 i have a question 17:47:05 rabit [~Android@70-0-176-206.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:26 i have (defun next () (let ((counter 0)) (lambda () (incf counter)) counter)) 17:47:31 but it does always return 0 17:47:45 each call i mean.... 17:48:06 well you're not doing anything to counter 17:48:17 You're putting it at 0 each call 17:48:26 also that 17:48:41 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:48:44 oleo: you're declaring an anonymous function that increments counter, then discarding it, then returning the value of counter 17:50:18 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:32 <|3b|> Adlai: https://github.com/3b/clws-client no idea what state it is in, but pretty sure i was at least able to connect to a server and listen to messages for a while with it at one point 17:53:04 -!- ggole 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http://paste.lisp.org/display/140979 19:20:05 that's not what type-of does 19:20:09 mc40: what do you need type declarations for? 19:20:41 and there's nothing which will do what you want 19:20:51 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:55 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:00 I was trying to load the :lla (linear algebra) package and it fails in CCL but not sbcl 19:21:40 I am a noobie but looking at SLDB for some reason CCL expects a variable to be of type (MOD 5) 19:21:56 which I guess is like (integer 0 4?5) 19:22:08 (mod 5) == (integer 0 4) 19:22:10 but the type of the variable is (integer 0 large-number) 19:22:25 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:22:25 so it fails to load the library 19:22:38 fmeyer [~fmeyer@179.208.163.134] has joined #lisp 19:23:05 your diagnosis is incorrect 19:23:30 ok what am i missing 19:24:03 the code i pasted returns (INTEGER 0 1152921504606846975) 19:24:15 this is not related to the error you're getting 19:24:36 ok I figured :) 19:25:00 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 19:25:01 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.170.23.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:53 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:25:54 stassats: so can I do anything to load the library? 19:26:13 you can dance around a fire 19:26:38 any incantations while doing that ? 19:26:48 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 19:27:20 "i shall paste code and errors to #lisp" should work 19:27:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-136.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:56 ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined #lisp 19:27:59 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:33:31 mvilleneuve 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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:14 if it wasn't evaluated in ccl, then it isn't evaluate in sbcl as well 19:46:19 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 19:49:05 Ok but it loads fine from SBCL; The library owner thinks it is a bug in CCL that is causing problem. I didn't even know what a type specifier was before today. Hence the little code snipped i pasted earlier. Why did my code not return (integer 0 5) I don't understand that. 19:49:31 it's a bug in the program, not ccl 19:49:39 francogrex [5bb3d576@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.179.213.118] has joined #lisp 19:49:57 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:50:20 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@wlan242113.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:22 exu0 [~u@dslb-178-002-096-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:35 I see there is sbcl-arm port by nyef in github! 19:51:19 stassats: thanks appreciate the help 19:51:31 here https://github.com/fiveop/sbcl-arm 19:51:37 pmai [~user@178-27-29-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:51:59 it's by fiveop, not nyef 19:52:42 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.40.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52:44 yes right, he refers to nyef... it didn't build on my arm 19:53:14 it's not supposed 19:53:39 why then called sbcl-arm?! 19:54:02 mc40: tell the author that he shouldn't use macros as if they were functions 19:54:14 <|3b|> francogrex: it isn't done yet? 19:54:20 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 19:55:05 i see 19:55:17 stassats: will do :) 19:55:17 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 19:55:52 getting rid of the (integer 0 5) declarations should probably do 19:56:23 kahr [~kahr@524A4A2C.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 19:57:11 vkrest [~vkrest@mpk-nat-3.thefacebook.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:34 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58:07 -!- kPb_in [~kunal@103.31.144.4] has quit [Quit: kPb_in] 19:58:35 kPb_in [~kunal@103.31.144.4] has joined #lisp 19:59:15 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:17 and the author also doesn't know that it's in reality (integer 0 4) 19:59:29 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:59:39 minion: advice on compiler? 19:59:39 #12000: Looking for a compiler bug is the second-to-last resort. The last resort is blaming bad RAM. It's never the correct hypothesis. 20:00:03 -!- exu0 [~u@dslb-178-002-096-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:24 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5483306C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:01:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:02:43 -!- kPb_in [~kunal@103.31.144.4] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:39 -!- francogrex [5bb3d576@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.179.213.118] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:04:00 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5483306C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:53 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:05:09 Well, I'd refuse the "never". Absolutes never work, do they? ;) 20:05:20 minion: another advice? 20:05:20 you speak nonsense 20:05:37 minion: advice on advice? 20:05:37 You can't expect automated advice for everything. 20:06:19 minion: Are you sentient? 20:06:19 no 20:06:23 mc40: i added a comment to the ticket, shaming the author 20:06:27 could have fooled me 20:07:45 nightfly: not all humans pass the turing test, either. 20:09:05 sometimes less than humans too :p http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/28/unreal-tournament-2004-bot-turing-test/ 20:09:08 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:20 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 20:09:23 IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT NOT ALL HUMANS PASS THE TURING TEST, EITHER? 20:10:22 patrickwonders: yeah, I typed in some AI for the C64 about 30 years ago, too. ISTR that is was called alice, or something like that. 20:10:49 ELIZA was the effect I was going for there... 20:10:52 -!- kahr [~kahr@524A4A2C.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #lisp 20:11:08 ah yes, ELIZA. thanks. 20:11:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praF_0WbuQI 20:13:38 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:14:36 thx stassats 20:16:05 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:17:20 kahr [~kahr@524A4A2C.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 20:17:52 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:19:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:00 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:25:20 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has joined #lisp 20:26:28 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9CE03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:26:29 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 20:27:24 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:48 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:01 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:28:14 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:23 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 20:29:46 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29:55 -!- slyrus_ is now known as slyrus 20:31:39 hugoduncan [~user@69.157.171.126] has joined #lisp 20:31:55 eli [~eli@lambda.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:31:55 -!- eli [~eli@lambda.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 20:31:55 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 20:32:13 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:33:05 slarti [~anonymous@71-222-233-8.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:23 xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has joined #lisp 20:33:41 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33:43 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:27 -!- ck [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36:57 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@mpk-nat-3.thefacebook.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:27 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 20:37:33 vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:b:8530:1389:2d69:d3d9] has joined #lisp 20:38:08 flip214: the important lesson of eliza was that people would easily talk quite openly to a computer program. And another that I learned by way of a prank: using talk making believe to people that eliza was on the other side; is that people will believe anything you say them about computers (and probably about anything else too). 20:39:13 araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has joined #lisp 20:39:13 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has quit [Changing host] 20:39:13 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:40:29 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:53 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has left #lisp 20:43:01 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 20:43:47 The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible 20:45:09 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 20:45:20 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 20:45:22 pnpuff: partially. 20:46:45 pjb: surely. 20:47:03 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:04 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@170-5.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:43 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:18 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:31 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 20:56:55 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:06:08 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:34 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.68.3] has joined #lisp 21:07:26 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19:40 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.99] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 21:19:52 Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:24 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-173-36-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:46 lman [~lman@unaffiliated/lman] has joined #lisp 21:20:58 -!- lman [~lman@unaffiliated/lman] has left #lisp 21:22:40 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 21:25:13 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 21:28:22 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 21:31:05 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 21:35:11 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:40 -!- slarti [~anonymous@71-222-233-8.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:56 how does one prevent name-clashes with cl stuff on something like (defstruct surface color) ? 21:38:07 slarti [~anonymous@71-222-233-8.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:17 gensym ? 21:38:59 -!- rk[] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:46 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[] 21:39:48 I don't see the name clash. What clashes? 21:40:17 not with cl actually but some stuff from mcclim/clx maybe.... 21:40:35 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 21:40:45 oleo: You could shadow the symbols that clash, or not :use-package at all, or choose different names. 21:40:52 There are many options 21:40:57 some classoid got extended.... 21:41:50 well i put a (defpackage .... in order to restrict the to package name space.... 21:41:55 that worked.... 21:42:12 s/the/them/ 21:45:32 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:09 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:47:50 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 21:47:57 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-233-226-189-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:35 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:49:24 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@aug33-1-88-164-179-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:52:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:01 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:57:02 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:04 alexherb1 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-223.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:58:45 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:59:40 LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has joined #lisp 22:02:16 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [] 22:03:56 Sebboh [~user@164.119.76.139] has joined #lisp 22:03:56 -!- Sebboh [~user@164.119.76.139] has quit [Changing host] 22:03:56 Sebboh [~user@fsf/member/Sebboh] has joined #lisp 22:04:16 -!- Sebboh [~user@fsf/member/Sebboh] has left #lisp 22:05:29 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 22:05:59 wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.57.179] has joined #lisp 22:06:03 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.57.179] has quit [Changing host] 22:06:03 wccoder [~wccoder@unaffiliated/wccoder] has joined #lisp 22:12:50 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:13:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:13 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:18:29 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:17 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:44 https://gist.github.com/8549740 why do I get this on (in-package :retro-games) ? 22:26:10 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:08 because there is no package called :retro-games in your lisp 22:37:00 was missign the defpackage from the prebious page 22:37:39 (setq x 15) yields a warning of undefined variable X. 22:37:59 -!- kahr [~kahr@524A4A2C.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:38:07 following examples in Loving Lisp and the warnings seemed odd 22:39:10 old lisp texts do that for some reason, because you used to be able to setq to define variables, or something 22:40:05 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5483306C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:19 the repl yields the proper value of the variable afterwards. also a recent book. 22:42:28 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.10.226] has joined #lisp 22:42:36 ahh sbcl issue 22:43:45 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:44:22 LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has joined #lisp 22:46:25 slarti_ [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:36 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:34 endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 22:49:01 -!- slarti [~anonymous@71-222-233-8.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:49:02 -!- slarti_ is now known as slarti 22:49:59 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:27 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:03 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 22:52:45 -!- wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:53:33 -!- endou [~paul@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:54:00 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:06 <_death> jaimef: it seems sbcl's interpreter mode may better fit that use case.. 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