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It looks like I'll be the new McCLIM maintainer. 05:52:27 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 05:52:56 kobain [~sambio@190.57.227.106] has joined #lisp 05:53:05 -!- kobain [~sambio@190.57.227.106] has quit [Changing host] 05:53:05 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 05:53:27 awesome 05:55:27 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:56:40 morning 05:59:50 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 06:00:39 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:03:17 More progress: http://metamodular.com/CLOS-MOP/clos-mop.html is close to complete. I have only 25% of Chapter 6 left. If anyone wants to help at this point, it is probably best to concentrate on finding broken links and other bugs, and adding new links where reasonable. 06:03:42 I now use it myself on a daily basis. 06:04:11 GIT repository here as usual: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLOS-MOP-HTML 06:07:29 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:11:33 -!- _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:11:35 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:13:20 green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-189-84.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 06:13:41 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:40 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:03 effy [~x@114.246.85.222] has joined #lisp 06:33:06 -!- effy [~x@114.246.85.222] has quit [Read error: 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abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 12:07:18 If I serialize two objects, A and B both having a pointer to the same other object (which is only being serialized because it's a pointee); then later I serialize only A and the pointee that A and B had in common is now a different value for A, should I change the reference for B as well? 12:09:30 *|3b|* wouldn't, if i understand you correctly 12:09:53 <|3b|> if A is 1, then later is 2, would you change every other 1 in the heap to 2? 12:10:58 Okay. 12:11:04 What about this though. 12:11:15 <|3b|> if A and B contain the value C, and A is later changed to D, B should still contain C 12:11:30 That's not what I mean. 12:11:47 <|3b|> if A and B contain the value C, and the contents of C change, A and B both still contain C, so no changes are made to A or B 12:12:21 RIght, but what if the change happens after I serialize A and B and before I serialize just A. 12:12:31 <|3b|> if you want to be able to tell what the state was at a specific point in time, you might want to keep around both sets of data 12:12:45 I see. 12:12:59 <|3b|> also might depends on why you are serializing things 12:13:20 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:43 This scenario almost certainly shouldn't happen right now; but it seems like a trap. 12:14:19 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:57 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-204.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:15:09 <|3b|> if you want to serialize partial state, you need some sort of global identifier for objects, so the C you write the first time must be replaced by the second C you write 12:15:27 <|3b|> and A and B both refer to C in general, not a specific version of it 12:15:52 <|3b|> (unless you add in versioning, which might be a reasonable thing to do for some uses) 12:16:14 Right I agree; but it's unclear that A and B must always refer to the same C, or if it's just happenstance. 12:16:38 Seems like it might require additional annotation. 12:16:44 <|3b|> consider if you wrote C, A and B to separate files without changing any of them, C gets written to all 3 files if you are including all referenced objects with A and B 12:17:09 <|3b|> if you read in all those 3 files into a new images, you should still have only 1 C 12:17:58 <|3b|> actually, i'm not sure i agree with myself anymore :p 12:18:09 Haha. 12:18:14 <|3b|> since there are lots of uses for serialization where you don't preserve object identity 12:18:56 <|3b|> but in that case you have a separate C for A and for B in the initial question, and the modified A and modified C are completely independent from the original A and C 12:19:12 <|3b|> so the question is whether you are serializing object identity or not 12:19:28 <|3b|> of you are, you should preserve it, if you aren't, it doesn't matter :) 12:19:31 I am definitely serializing identity for "first class citizens" 12:19:57 As I need to do partial updates. 12:20:06 <|3b|> so if you serialize A, then later in same image, deserialize that data into Z, (EQ A Z) should be true? 12:20:31 <|3b|> or if you load it into X and Y in a new image, (EQ X Y) is true? 12:20:49 <|3b|> and changing contents of X changes Y 12:21:12 <|3b|> (separate load operations to produce X and Y, not just loading it once and storing the result twice) 12:21:21 So I'm not serializing identity in that sense. 12:21:54 But everything that gets serialized gets an ID, which I use to map between something that has been previously serialized and is now in memory. 12:22:41 -!- guaqua` [gua@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:36 *|3b|* would say don't change the reference in B just because A changed 12:25:00 <|3b|> serialization code shouldn't change the data 12:26:07 *|3b|* has to go now though, hopefully i didn't leave you more confused than before :p 12:26:38 Helped me consider some points I hadn't, thanks. 12:27:35 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:26 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 12:32:07 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32:19 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 12:32:58 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 12:37:35 abunchofdollarsi: you may need to internalize the C objects, if you want to share identity after partial serialization/deserialization. 12:37:42 Like it's done for symbols. 12:38:52 I'm just not sure that partial serialization can be done sensibly without versioning. 12:39:03 It's unclear what state is recorded after a partial update. 12:39:28 Not to mention the case where I serialize A and B, A has a pointer to B, then I only serialize A... 12:42:49 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 12:43:34 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:48:18 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And how would you rate both of them against each other? 13:41:27 Sure, you can use those programs without being a programmer. 13:41:34 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 13:41:42 Do you know C to use ratpoison? 13:41:43 no i'm actually learning lisp and am interested in how you can customize with lisp 13:41:48 haha no 13:42:03 i just want to test my new lisp chops on one of these 13:42:13 Go ahead! Best way to do it. 13:43:12 oh and one more thing should I install emacs? Most of my learning has been in the clisp repl. I read emacs uses elisp which is a very inferior kind of lisp. So are there any basic differences which will trip me or is it all just high level stuff (like lack of threading and all)? 13:43:14 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 13:43:26 Yes, emacs is a very nice tool. 13:43:26 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:43:37 I definitely recommand it. 13:43:44 pjb: No but to customize it you have to use elisp. So how different is it from common lisp? 13:44:14 adityarajbhatt: there are some differences but less than between CL and Scheme: both emacs lisp and Common Lisp have a common ancestor. 13:44:16 at least for basic things will i have to change my style each time when i'm writing emacs extensions (in elisp) and practicing common lisp? 13:44:48 Not really. emacs 24 has lexical binding, and with (require 'cl), you can mostly keep the same style. 13:45:00 The only big thing emacs lisp is missing is packages. 13:46:16 check http://www.cliki.net/Getting%20Started 13:46:32 hmm okay i'll give it a spin by the way wasn't there a replacement written in common lisp? I think climacs or something? what happened to that, is it still active? 13:46:44 There are several yes. 13:47:07 Hemlock, DREI (in McCLIM), climacs. 13:48:09 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 13:49:40 okay thanks i'll try emacs first learn it (especially the buffer stuff) then see others. 13:50:11 adityarajbhatt: emacs tutorial is C-h t (Control-h t) in emacs. 13:50:57 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:55 liqu0rice [~niklas@brln-4d0c948c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:47 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56:26 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:59:29 -!- karswell [~user@87.112.11.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:53 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:09 bassclide 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Using slime-inspect or remove-method/find-method is a bit tedious. 18:12:13 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 18:12:16 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:17:06 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:20:38 -!- ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:20:46 gmdjm [~gmdjm@ip70-185-115-2.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:08 klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:23:19 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:23:30 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 18:24:55 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:33:58 Shinmera: I remember asking about that, and getting an answer that I liked, but now I can't remember the answer :( 18:34:07 slime-undefine-function doesn't seem to be it 18:35:13 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:42 Xach: Hm, I'm sure there's a relatively simple way to make a command to do it if there isn't one already. I'll go google some more about it later. 18:38:32 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 18:39:17 The slime-devel list could probably give a quick answer, too 18:40:10 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:40:38 -!- gmdjm [~gmdjm@ip70-185-115-2.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:55 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:41:03 -!- joe9 [~user@ip24-255-250-24.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:11 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 18:43:05 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.167.57] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:44:06 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:45:46 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:46:33 joe9 [~user@ip24-255-250-24.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:50 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@e178254216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:55 -!- seangrove [~user@24-182-13-178.static.arhd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:50:49 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 18:50:59 arademaker: it's better to ask questions directly rather than ask to ask 18:51:23 state your question and if someone knows the answer and is willing to share, you will know it 18:54:30 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:54:34 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:57:11 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 18:58:00 -!- yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has quit [Ping timeout: 630 seconds] 18:58:28 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:12 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 19:01:56 Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:57 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:03:25 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04:17 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 19:05:40 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:07:22 yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has joined #lisp 19:08:05 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 19:08:39 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:08:44 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:08:50 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:50 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:12:55 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:00 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:20:24 tokenrov1 [~julian@i216-58-108-32.cybersurf.com] has joined #lisp 19:20:54 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 19:21:56 -!- tokenrove [~julian@174-138-192-11.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:25:38 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:30:19 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:26 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:34:10 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:26 HG` [~HG@31.205.59.111] has joined #lisp 19:35:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 19:35:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 19:35:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 19:38:49 What's the rule about macros and declarations? Macros can't expand into a declaration? Or declarations can't be inside macros? Or something like either of those two? 19:40:12 Quadrescence: You can't make a macro that expands into a declaration, e.g. (defmacro my-declarations () `(declare whatever)) and used like (defun bar () (my-declarations) ...) 19:40:36 macros may expand into code with declarations no problem 19:40:36 Yes, that's what I thought, and that is really unfortunate. :( 19:42:16 I guess this means that the closest approximation one can do is to make a macro that expands into a LOCALLY, but that macro requires the body to have an extra level of nesting 19:42:17 too bad 19:42:45 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:42:55 mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-159-58.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 19:42:55 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-159-58.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 19:42:55 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:43:42 H4ns: i can't really make edicl releases, can i? the release-script puts it onto your server 19:43:45 s 19:43:48 Xach, do you happen to know why that restriction exists, or the reasoning behind it? 19:44:03 No. 19:44:14 (as in, hunchentoot needs a new release) 19:44:29 Quadrescence: it's in one of the issues, but it basically makes static analysis way harder 19:44:41 stassats: Is there a slime command to delete the method at the point? 19:44:42 how come nobody noticed that ssl acceptors leaked memory like a sieve? 19:45:18 Xach: not exactly, but, slime-inspect-definition, then find the line and press [delete] 19:46:14 or is it [delete method] 19:46:14 Ok. that is what i normally use. A shortcut would be nice, but not so nice that I am tempted to make it myself. 19:46:52 there's just no parser for method specializers 19:47:02 stassats: is that why my hunchentoot server would always run out of memory? 19:47:12 slime-inspect-definition, in reality, shouldn't go to the generic function, but to the method 19:47:26 but somebody was being lazy when defining slime-inspect-definition for methods 19:48:15 slyrus: probably, it wastes both foreign memory and lisp memory 19:48:19 wasted, it's fixed now 19:48:23 nice 19:51:09 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:51:55 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:50 -!- arademaker [~user@177.142.9.162] has left #lisp 19:55:29 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 19:55:36 -!- hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:55 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:56:46 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 19:57:06 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:57:12 -!- joe9 [~user@ip24-255-250-24.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-218.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:29 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:59:58 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:03:17 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:07:14 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 20:08:27 kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:37 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:08:37 kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 20:09:49 cgore [~cgore@108-209-245-92.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:23 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:14:37 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:20:16 Quadrescence: I believe it's to make it possible to know when declarations are there without expanding any and all macros. The thing about declarations is that they would influence the *containing* scope/forms, rather than nested forms like any other macro use 20:27:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:35 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has left #lisp 20:33:00 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-148-64-158.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:34:26 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:35:12 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:36:06 hugodunc` [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:37:17 nipra [~nipra@122.177.109.178] has joined #lisp 20:38:21 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:38:27 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:38:57 -!- hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:40:35 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.142.180.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:06 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43:23 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:45:09 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 20:47:10 paul0 [~paul0@187.112.64.64] has joined #lisp 20:48:34 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: BRB] 20:48:44 -!- bryan_oc [~bryan@c-76-126-214-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bryan_oc] 20:49:13 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 20:49:27 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:51:25 liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c948c.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:33 -!- liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c948c.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:35 liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c948c.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:29 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:38 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 20:52:39 is there a reverse-dependency system in quicklisp? 20:53:08 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:06 that is, can I ask what projects depend on a given one? 20:54:08 Krystof: (ql:who-depends-on "system") 20:54:14 It's system-level, not project-level. 20:54:29 You could use it to make a project-level one, though. 20:55:30 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:19 is that new? I don't seem to have it locally :( 20:57:49 Not very new. 20:58:04 What does (ql::local-version) return? 20:58:23 oops 20:58:27 2011051901 20:58:44 shows how up-to-date I am 20:59:04 You are totally missing out on ql:who-depends-on 20:59:27 I will use the code I have found using the power of Google 20:59:47 ( https://gist.github.com/khirbat/3371605 ) 21:01:51 http://paste.lisp.org/display/140949 is my code. 21:02:06 thank you 21:02:18 Krystof: (ql:update-client) worked pretty slick last time I used it 21:02:34 change is dangerous 21:03:45 I am in full agreement. 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It isn't going to get better by holding off for even longer. 21:40:21 It might not get worse, though. 21:40:25 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 21:46:41 Shinmera: did you see stassats's authoritative response regarding deleting the method at the point? 21:46:53 Xach: yes 21:47:07 Xach: I suppose I'll have to see about automating that with a script somehow 21:49:23 KaiQ [~localhost@p578FCB8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:55:10 -!- HG` [~HG@31.205.59.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:55:19 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-167-105.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:55:46 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-255-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:56:31 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58:58 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:59:49 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:00:37 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC4465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:00:43 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@94.12.79.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:58 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:01:49 milosn [~milosn@94.12.79.143] has joined #lisp 22:04:41 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 22:06:18 -!- dkordic [~danilo@178-221-72-17.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:07:32 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 22:07:45 -!- joshe [~joshe@2001:470:e862::1:1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:07:55 dkordic [~danilo@178-221-72-17.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 22:07:58 joshe [~joshe@2001:470:e862::1:1] has joined #lisp 22:08:18 -!- ktx [~ktx@unaffiliated/ktx] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:10:01 ktx [~ktx@unaffiliated/ktx] has joined #lisp 22:10:19 milosn_ [~milosn@94.12.79.143] has joined #lisp 22:10:33 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:14:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:19:54 snikkers [~snikkers@cable-217-63-82-193.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #lisp 22:30:17 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:33:26 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:33:32 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:33:35 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41:06 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:08 gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:13 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.230.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41:19 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . 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