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02:14:35 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 02:15:21 LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has joined #lisp 02:17:04 -!- percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:17:45 -!- seangrove [~user@static-71-189-57-17.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:18:11 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 02:18:55 notzmv [~zmv@189.120.82.31] has joined #lisp 02:22:51 ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:23 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:23:35 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.69.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:07 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:26:56 Hi everyone 02:27:42 carpenoctem_: hey 02:29:27 -!- JuniorRoy [~dev-fedor@217.118.79.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:01 Recursion is my latest focus after discovering functional programming 02:30:49 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-223-204.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 02:31:06 Hurah. 02:32:20 I used to write functional-ish code on C when my teachers wouldn't let me do it in another language 02:32:23 it was quite fun 02:32:42 that's the thing though right, it's so much more natural to think in that way to me though 02:33:27 I feel like my brain is recovering from years of oo being smashed into it. 02:34:00 but they said programs have to be oo 02:34:18 also boxing primitives is totally normal guys 02:34:36 In order to understand recursion, first one must understand recursion. 02:34:45 Nothing wrong with OO, provided that you understand what it menas. 02:35:03 I think that understanding recursion in terms of backtracking will help to differentiate it from iteration. 02:35:09 and as long as you don't expand the acronym to "Object Obsessed" *cough java cough* 02:35:36 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:39:54 fmeyer [~fmeyer@179.208.163.134] has joined #lisp 02:39:57 -!- CrazyEddy [~danburite@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:31 pdk: Sure -- that's why sbcl does it. :) 02:41:47 got me there 02:44:50 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 02:47:58 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:35 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.209.53] has joined #lisp 02:49:35 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.209.53] has quit [Changing host] 02:49:35 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 02:50:20 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6a2d4.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:50:38 Ok, so if a recursion calls itself, it becomes tail recursion? And it backtracking is where you can run a recursion and break into another branch of the tree based on parameters? 02:50:39 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:50:41 harish [~harish@119.234.3.250] has joined #lisp 02:53:24 If a call can't backtack then it is eligible for tail recursion. 02:54:02 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.4] 02:54:07 That is, the result of the call is returned directly by the caller -- there is no need to return to that call site. 02:54:09 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f67153.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:54:33 It's backtracking if you might backtrack to the call site to explore another forward path. 02:55:00 So something like a binary tree search doesn't involve backtracking. 02:55:36 You just iterate forward down a path until you succeed or fail. 02:55:52 A binary tree walk does involve backtracking, on the other hand. 02:58:22 CrazyEddy [~opalesque@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 03:02:30 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:03:32 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:dce9:e2fd:8f6a:cb22] has joined #lisp 03:03:54 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:08:02 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-223-204.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:11:26 It's like lisp is math in code form then 03:11:42 A bit like fortran, then. 03:12:31 dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:25 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:15:37 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 03:22:09 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 03:22:31 cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-143-200.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 03:24:11 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:26:44 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 03:27:55 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 03:38:52 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:39 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:46:47 -!- notzmv [~zmv@189.120.82.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:42 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:49:50 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:49:59 Good morning everyone! 03:51:25 *drmeister* ponders how its evening here - further evidence that the world is round. 03:51:46 -!- ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:00 Hey drmeister. How is your Lisp implementation coming? 03:52:29 Great - I've taken a detour - I'm writing a C++ refactoring tool 03:52:44 Yes, I read about that. Impressive! 03:52:49 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: restarting] 03:53:13 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 03:53:22 I'm just working on the source-to-source translation part. 03:54:01 What other parts are there? 03:54:16 What do people think of this? I've got C++ classes that have multiple constructors that take different arguments. How would you deal with that in CL? 03:54:24 Replacement (StringRef FilePath, unsigned Offset, unsigned Length, StringRef ReplacementText) 03:54:38 Replacement (SourceManager &Sources, SourceLocation Start, unsigned Length, StringRef ReplacementText) 03:54:57 etc. 03:54:59 Well, you also have multiple constructor methods in CL. 03:55:29 Zhivago: Really? I know about keyword arguments and :initargs is that what you mean? 03:55:47 drmeister: Some programmers write explicit constructors that call make-instance. 03:55:58 CL seems to approach object initialization like you've got an object and you "fill in the blanks". 03:56:00 Or you can stack :after methods on make-instance. 03:56:27 An after method can just call-next-method if it has nothing interesting to do. 03:56:28 drmeister: Sonja Keene argues in favor of explicit constructors. 03:56:52 Personally, I'm not a fan of :after next-method, either. 03:56:53 beach: You mean each constructor has a different name? 03:57:09 drmeister: Yes, typically. 03:57:41 That's what I've been doing so far, now that I'm exposing the Clang library big time it's become more of an issue. 03:57:53 I still don't have a consistent way of naming the constructors. 03:58:07 What do you name the first Replacement constructor above vs the second one? 03:58:40 make-replacement-filepath-offset-length-replacement-text? 03:58:52 Well, you don't need to name them differently if you don't want to. 03:58:54 Doesn't look very attractive does it? 03:59:05 You could accept &rest and try a destructuring bind until it works. :) 03:59:25 But perhaps there are sensible names to consider. 03:59:43 What problem does the first constructor solve? 04:00:07 -!- antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:00:40 Also, the way the binding library works you say .def_constructor("name-of-constructor",constructor()) so it works best to have a different symbol for each constructor. 04:01:01 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih_] 04:01:02 ldionmarcil [~louis@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #lisp 04:01:52 Gotta put the little one to bed - bbl 04:02:03 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:07:43 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] 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#lisp 13:58:59 I am looking for a lexer package, any suggestions? 14:00:04 cl-ppcre. 14:00:23 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 14:00:24 also http://www.cliki.net/lexer 14:00:37 well, esrap is nice for parsing 14:00:51 there's a cl-lex and cl-yacc combo too 14:02:03 sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has joined #lisp 14:02:04 cl-lex seems to be good but it is with GPL, looking for some packge with a relaxed license 14:02:10 -!- sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has quit [Changing host] 14:02:10 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:02:41 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:06 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:04:39 http://www.cliki.net/lexer lists several but need suggestions on which package goes along with cl-yacc and a similar license 14:07:01 do you need just a lexer or are you building a full parser? 14:07:06 if a parser, have a look at esrap 14:07:45 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.68.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:07:45 -!- scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:08:00 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:08:19 it is a full parser, will have a look at esrap, thank you 14:08:20 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 14:08:30 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:08:44 I personnally found it way better than yacc 14:09:22 even if the error reporting of esrap is... well... not user friendly 14:10:04 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.68.3] has joined #lisp 14:10:07 licensed under MIT :-) 14:10:29 yeah, that too 14:12:40 any idea on how it compares to lex/yacc in terms of performance? 14:13:10 I didn't compare no 14:13:27 have a look at pgloader if you want to play with an existing non-trivial parser made with esrap 14:13:34 https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader 14:15:56 test with (time (pgloader::with-monitor () (pgloader.parser::parse-commands-from-file "/Users/dim/dev/pgloader/test/archive.load"))) 14:16:40 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:19:03 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 14:19:06 reading this http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~baford/packrat/thesis/ 14:19:25 "The primary disadvantage of packrat parsing is its storage cost, which is a constant multiple of the total input size rather than being proportional to the nesting depth of the syntactic constructs appearing in the input. " 14:21:40 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 14:22:14 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 14:22:27 yeah well how large are the sources you need to parse? 14:22:59 Hi! 14:23:02 Anyone is using LTK? 14:23:04 vantage|home [~vantage@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:23:20 otwieracz: don't ask to ask, just ask. 14:23:23 quite big actually, can run into few thound lines 14:23:58 I am having problems with things like: 14:23:58 (treeview-insert (treeview customers-list) :text "foo" :values '("bar zar" "car")) 14:24:22 I think that '("bar zar" "car") is converted to Tcl list, where " " is separator. 14:24:48 And, in result, I am receiving behaviour I'll want from '("bar" "zar" "car") 14:24:51 Why do you think so? 14:25:25 Because list ("bar" "zar" "car") in tcl is "bar zar car") 14:25:40 Beluki [~Belu@225.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:55 And Ltk is on tk and tcl :) 14:26:11 And what you want is not ("bar" "zar" "car")? 14:26:16 In cl No. 14:26:24 I want ("bar zar" "car") 14:27:33 I'm not very familiar with LTC but have you tried escaping space or using additional quotes or something like this? 14:27:49 hitecnologys: Yes. 14:28:02 Also, in tcl is should do "{bar zar} car" 14:28:19 otwieracz: I see. Can't help then, sorry. 14:28:29 But, then I've got ("\{bar" "zar\}" "car") 14:28:33 -!- vantage|home is now known as elfenixtorres 14:29:35 Try inspecting code that parses such lists. It might give you insight on what's going on. 14:31:34 http://paste.lisp.org/display/140908 14:35:52 -!- liqu0rice [~niklas@brln-4dbc35ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:36:41 '("bar" "ar" "car") gives me: 14:36:50 insert {} end -text foo -values {baz ar car} 14:37:06 and '("{baz ar}" "car") gives: 14:37:28 insert {} end -text foo -values {\\\{baz ar\\\} car} 14:37:29 I need: 14:37:37 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-141-69.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:38:58 (probably) insert {} end -text foo -values {baz ar} car 14:39:00 Or something. 14:39:13 -!- kranthi [~kranthi@122.167.183.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:32 kranthi [~kranthi@122.167.183.112] has joined #lisp 14:39:57 -!- kranthi [~kranthi@122.167.183.112] has left #lisp 14:40:08 rather that: % foreach dupa {{bar az} car} {puts $dupa} 14:40:08 bar az 14:40:08 car 14:40:17 otwieracz:  14:41:02 (("foo bar") ("car"))  you mean such input? 14:41:07 oleo 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For some reason it keeps saying that it won't recognize the component type. 18:24:09 Load the class definition before trying to load that system. 18:24:15 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:24:15 That's what I'm doing 18:24:39 Otherwise, I don't know sophisticated asdf use, so check the manual. 18:24:59 the manual is incredibly sparse about that, unfortunately. 18:25:14 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 18:25:18 Shinmera: there are often good responses on the mailing list 18:25:41 Xach: Alright, I'll try there if I can't figure it out in another hour. 18:27:23 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:27:55 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 18:29:22 axion [~axion@static-71-245-156-232.alb.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:42 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 18:31:24 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-146.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:21 -!- rockymadden [~rockymadd@unaffiliated/rockymadden] has quit [] 18:37:49 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has joined #lisp 18:39:45 ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:40:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:42:12 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:07 nug700 [~nug700@71-223-14-137.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:08 Is there a better way to locally bind an fdefinition to a function then something like (flet ((foo (&rest r) (apply bar r)))... 18:44:25 don't think so, unfortunately 18:45:13 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:45:21 I suppose you could macrolet instead 18:45:49 (macrolet ((foo (&rest r) `(funcall bar ,@r))... 18:46:43 Does anyone have any news for the Summer in Lisp competition? 18:46:55 Still no. 18:47:15 cory786: this isn't the right place to poll for such information 18:47:17 cory786: I don't know if anyone involved in that project visits #lisp. If you want info, you might try emailing the people more directly involved. 18:47:27 jasom: ISTR a with-lisp1 macro floating in comp.lang.lisp or something like that. 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Why didn't I think of that. 19:46:07 -!- user__ is now known as SofiaLucifairy 19:46:26 In a perfect world, LispObject would be an interface though. 19:48:07 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:48:15 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:48:50 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:49:03 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:49:30 I see how they do it - you need to explicitly describe the interface. Something that I thankfully don't have to do thanks to "C++ template programming" (dun dun daaa). 19:50:32 What's LispObject? 19:51:03 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:51:28 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:51:38 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:52 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:51:57 Beluki: something involving java is verbose? I'm *shocked*! 19:52:03 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:52:21 gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has joined #lisp 19:52:58 Heh. 19:53:24 drmeister: LispObject is the parent class of all the Common Lisp datatypes (that is, from the Java side). 19:53:50 drmeister: so that LispInteger, LispOtherStuff, etc all extend LispObject. 19:53:54 -!- gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:53:58 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #lisp 19:54:11 Is Java introspection not powerful enough to automate the construction of interfaces? 19:54:23 why does guile blow up when I type quote by itself? + returns # 19:54:32 If it were just an interface, you could just get an arbitrary class from a current program, and: implements LispObject() to use it in Common Lisp, override methods, etc 19:54:33 *drmeister* just realized he used fightin' words - sorry 19:54:35 gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has joined #lisp 19:54:40 drmeister: what are you talking about? 19:54:54 drmeister: What does it mean to automatically construct an interface, and what are you introspecting to find this out? 19:56:12 1) Take a method name 2)ask java what it returns and what the types of its arguments are 3) Automatically construct a CL function that accepts the correct number of arguments, calls the java function and returns the results. 19:56:56 You can find that stuff out through Reflection, so it should be possible. 19:57:29 java reflection is expensive 19:57:36 ...but then again, maybe all reflection is 19:57:39 Sure but you only have to do it once 19:57:55 Shinmera: does it automatically memoize? 19:58:05 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 19:58:24 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:58:32 I don't know, but you only need to construct the lisp function once, so you only need to inspect once. 19:58:58 oh, that's right 19:59:23 -!- alexshendi [~alexshend@HSI-KBW-078-042-165-190.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:35 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:59:42 keen__ [~blackened@pd2ae1776.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 19:59:53 drmeister: reflection in java makes it very easy to get that stuff. See foil as an example 20:00:11 drmeister: it's dealing with lisp datatypes from java that becomes hard 20:00:40 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 20:01:09 -!- keen_ [~blackened@p6fd995de.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:01:26 kristof: it appears there's no memoization going on by default, but you could of course create your own wrapper that stores it, if you happen to do a lot of reflection for some reason. 20:01:54 Shinmera: Constructing the common lisp function is itself like memoization, I simply didn't realize that 20:02:20 kristof: yeah, just wanted to add some quick search info to the original question :) 20:02:55 is it possible to have read-line consider any given line separator? IIUC with the right external-format it might be possible right? 20:02:59 theseb: you'd probably have an answer to your question in #scheme 20:04:21 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:04:35 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:05:12 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:51 -!- gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has quit [Quit: LOLeaving] 20:07:28 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 20:07:41 gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has joined #lisp 20:07:58 drmeister: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140912 <-- Proof that it's doable; note that this communicates with a jvm over a socket. The author said that "while that may seem slow, [the JNI version] often performed similarly due to reflection overhead 20:08:40 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 20:11:30 jsambrook [~jsambrook@c-50-181-199-180.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:16 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:46 bobbysmith007: around? 20:15:01 dim: there isn't a standard way with read-line 20:15:16 it may be the case that you can make your implementation do it, but it varies 20:15:44 ok so I would need to use read-sequence and implement the newline check myself then? 20:15:45 -!- rockymadden [~rockymadd@unaffiliated/rockymadden] has quit [] 20:15:47 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:16:11 my quick read of flexi-streams make-external-format makes me think that's about what it's doing... 20:19:33 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9DA71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:35 dim: yes 20:28:52 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:29:38 -!- ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:51 cool, so, would you accept a patch to have cl-csv read lines ending with arbitrary characters? the example I'm given is using #x01 as the field separator and #x02 as the line separator 20:31:06 that's... not csv 20:31:24 well we would have the option to say that if csv was properly defined 20:31:27 turns out it's not 20:32:53 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@s213-103-193-82.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:33:40 dim: I dont think I would have an issue with that, tests and what not 20:34:05 ok I might as well see about implementing a new read-line-in function then 20:35:04 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.30.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:07 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@85.110.37.93] has joined #lisp 20:36:14 dim: given csv's status as the barely-formatted format, im willing to be pretty flexible in what "csv" means. I think I might have a read-until already implemented let me look around for a sec 20:36:57 hehe, would be even nicer if the code is already written and just waiting to be added ;-) 20:38:19 paul0 [~paul0@186.214.10.57] has joined #lisp 20:38:36 zygentoma [~kvirc@s213-103-193-82.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:38:36 dim: This probably needs to be optimized, but should be 90% of the way there http://paste.lisp.org/display/140913 20:38:50 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:39:09 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@67-220-27-111.usiwireless.com] has joined #lisp 20:39:20 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:40:03 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:40:15 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:40:28 mmm, with an explicit sleep? 20:42:48 ubii_mobile [~ubii@27.sub-174-225-193.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 20:43:13 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:43:18 given previous stassats advices I would use read-sequence and if I need to read more than one of them (very large input), concatenate them at the end 20:43:41 well, by building a whole new string of the right size and filling it, the way we did for the MySQL driver 20:44:01 also what about reading blocks of 512 bytes or 1k? 20:44:23 the OS read-ahead would kick in then 20:44:36 I don't get your usage of read-char-no-hang 20:47:02 dim: I didnt want a blocking read? I dunno this code is old and was written to scrape the results of telnetting into something IIRC 20:47:13 One might think that csv meant "comma separated values", but one might note that csv often is separated by tabs. :) 20:47:50 bobbysmith007: no-hang then sleep reads funny to me, but well, context at the time would justify it for sure 20:49:13 yay busy loops. 20:49:54 dim: we want to keep reading until some character sequence shows up, but I believe because we were reading from a slow socket, sometimes there is not another character in the pipe when we go to read, in that case we havent finished reading yet, so we dont want to quit, but we should give the socket some time to catch up 20:50:23 ok, so doesn't really apply in cl-csv I guess 20:50:37 dim: unless you are parsing csvs from a slow socket connection 20:50:47 dim: anyway, I have to head out for the day, back tomorrow, good luck 20:51:00 also I'm pondering if we want to accept both string and characters for the end-of-line thingy, maybe character is enough? 20:51:17 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 20:51:30 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:06 EOL is usually more complicated than that: likely you should handle all of \r\n, \n, and \r. 20:52:40 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:41 djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:03 klhjhfhf [~fsrdfkjjh@177.83.178.42] has joined #lisp 20:53:05 ah yeah, string is not an option 20:53:15 maybe I'm too tired to code that tonigh. 20:53:41 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:07 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:20 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:54:20 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 20:54:47 ivan 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