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timeout: 252 seconds] 04:52:23 kubatyszko [~kubatyszk@softbank126078216014.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:24 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going to sleep] 04:52:29 -!- kubatyszko [~kubatyszk@softbank126078216014.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:52:37 Yamazaki1kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has joined #lisp 04:52:37 -!- Yamazaki1kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:28 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:38 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-2-120.w109-215.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:56:58 Good morning everyone! 04:59:24 -!- ered [~ered@184-23-27-241.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:58 Loo_per [~wanter@1.38.29.81] has joined #lisp 05:03:16 ered [~ered@184-23-27-241.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:37 scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has joined #lisp 05:03:49 Afternoon. 05:10:06 crixus 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05:43:51 doh 05:48:17 I may just make an echo stream and have a thread to dump the raw data 05:51:27 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:54:21 mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:32 -!- mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 05:55:10 mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:58:27 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 06:02:26 tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has joined #lisp 06:05:35 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 06:09:59 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:27 aha! it's trying to read a timestamp as a symbol (I noticed that the number was always the minute). For some reason if I start wish from a terminal on OS X it outputs an error, but if I start it from a non-terminal it doesn't (hence the difference between slime/ no slime) 06:11:43 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:12:19 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 06:20:48 n0n0 [~n0n0___@75.144.20.73] has joined #lisp 06:27:54 -!- fortitude [~mts@cpe-72-224-175-150.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:34:36 ggole [~ggole@106-68-209-203.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:40:05 -!- pdk [~realname@c-71-236-103-197.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:43:31 karswell [~user@239.54.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 06:45:07 antoszka: okay, it looks like wish8.6 is a bit more chatty than the 8.5 version. One useful change is to change the read-preserving-whitespace in read-event to be a call to read-wish (with no arguments). This should show an entire line of the error message (which is typically the entire message) so you can get an idea of what the error is. If you hit the "dismiss" button it should go away and everything should work as normal. To completely sup 06:46:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:47:56 antoszka: I'm going to have to fiddle around a bit more before coming up with a real fix. I got no error messages on my linux box and a different error message on my OS X. Also I have no clue why that read is preserving whitespace. As far as I know, everything we read from wish should be a list so preserving whitespace is unneccessary; the absolute worst that could happen is we discard the leading whitespace in an unexpected error, which should 06:48:06 QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:23 -!- mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:49:35 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51:52 mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:58 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 06:52:03 -!- mrhooray [~textual@c-24-7-88-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:52:21 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-68-209-203.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 06:53:24 ggole [~ggole@106-68-209-203.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:54:07 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 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is now known as abeaumont_ 13:20:54 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:53 -!- patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has quit [Quit: Exiting HexChat] 13:31:42 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:35:00 -!- loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:680d:3b62:2f99:14c2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:35:41 SomeT [~SomeT@cpc9-leic16-2-0-cust32.8-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:04 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:12 francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has joined #lisp 13:43:55 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:45:16 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 13:45:16 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 13:48:54 what is the easiest way to compile .lisp source to exe? 13:49:54 SomeT: it varies by implementation. i use sbcl and buildapp to do it. there is a library called "cl-launch" that does it too. commercial lisps usually have their own way. 13:50:03 I think commercial lisps call it "Delivery" 13:50:22 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 13:50:39 I am using SBCL in windows the latest version for windows 13:50:49 would buildapp work for this purpose in windows 7? 13:51:08 I am looking to embed it into a text editor I use (sublime text) but taking it a step at a time 13:51:14 got the compiler installed 13:51:21 now next step is to compile to .exe 13:51:48 Buildapp works on windows. 13:51:55 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:06 ok cool 13:52:09 i'll try it out 13:52:09 I'm not sure SBCL can be embedded that way, though. 13:52:12 thanks for the help 13:52:26 ecl is designed to be embedded, but it is less capable than SBCL as a Common Lisp in general. 13:52:27 its fun to try though right, doing it more for learning anyway 13:53:06 Could be. I am pretty happy with Emacs and SBCL, so I just use that for making CL programs. 13:53:22 however 13:53:28 In that setup, the editor talks to a separate Lisp process. It works pretty well. 13:53:33 I most likely will get further with ecl rather than sbcl? 13:54:00 You might. ECL has bugs and is short on developers at the moment. 13:54:09 ah ok cool 13:54:24 I am thinking at this moment perhaps I have let myself in for something, haha 13:54:31 anyway gonna go try all this out 13:54:33 thanks again! 13:54:59 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-124-146.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:29 Common Lisp is a nice language and SBCL is a nice implementation of it. 13:57:27 Now comment on newlisp for contrast 13:59:03 harish_ [~harish@175.156.98.232] has joined #lisp 13:59:29 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 13:59:35 MikeSeth: NewLisp or however you call this shit is not Lisp at all! 13:59:41 -!- hyperboreean [~none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:59:54 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:20 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:38 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:00:47 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:01 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.97.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:01:07 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:01:29 I have not used newlisp and have no opinion on it. 14:01:30 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:50 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:02:02 I don't think it's useful to tell people "You think you're happy but you're really not!" 14:02:18 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:36 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:03:05 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:07 -!- Ogion [~Ogion@76.Red-83-42-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:03:35 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:04:04 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:26 -!- harish_ [~harish@175.156.98.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:33 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:04:51 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:05:01 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-89-63.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:05 -!- Fare [~fare@c-67-186-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06:53 Xach: like me! 14:08:17 wobh [~user@65-100-37-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:11:23 in sbcl in the command prompt in windows I can create an .exe using code with this command prompt right? 14:12:40 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.69.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:13:09 jasom: FYI, irssi is stupid and cuts off long lines without telling you that, so both your messages for antoszka were truncated halfway through 14:14:34 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 14:14:43 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:15:52 SomeT: what do you mean? It's a rather confusing way of phrasing 14:16:59 Ogion [~Ogion@76.Red-83-42-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:15 so basically I am trying to compile to .exe at the moment I had an idea to not use a seperate way of doing this other than using SBCL I hope that doing it this way will it enable me to embed this method into my text editor 14:17:35 overall is there a code in SBCL that I could use to compile to a .exe file in windows 7 14:18:56 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:19:44 <|3b|> SomeT: look up save-lisp-and-die in sbcl docs 14:20:00 no worries found it 14:20:00 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/index.html#Saving-a-Core-Image 14:20:05 <|3b|> that is the only way to create a .exe from sbcl (the other things mentioned earlier are just nicer interfaces to that) 14:20:41 now I have this info I need to figure out how to convert this into a command to initiate it in JSON 14:20:50 sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has joined #lisp 14:20:50 -!- sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has quit [Changing host] 14:20:50 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:23:14 btw, is there any way to create .exe without including compiler in it? 14:24:35 <|3b|> loz1: not in most of the free CLs 14:24:51 but why 14:25:17 I am trying to compile as an .exe file overall in sublime text 3 using sbcl 14:25:17 <|3b|> though i suppose technically, an executable without an embedded memory image doesn't have the compiler, but it can't do anything but load the memory image with a compiler in it 14:25:19 seems tricky 14:25:31 <|3b|> loz1: because nobody thought it was enough of a priority to implement it 14:25:50 <|3b|> loz1: and many of the implementations weren't designed for that, so it wouldn't be trivial to do if someone did want to 14:25:54 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:26:09 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 14:26:52 even khm racket and gambit can do this) 14:27:51 <|3b|> well, use the commercial implementations if you think it is an important feature :) 14:28:07 <|3b|> or implement (or fund) it for your free implementation of choice 14:30:10 I am coming to the conlusion here that lisp in windows is to much for me, haha 14:30:54 You might want to start just learning Lisp, and then after that fancy things 14:31:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 14:31:44 <|3b|> yeah, building executables tends to be an advanced topic for CLs :/ 14:32:12 I created build systems for 10 other languages in Sublime Text 3 14:32:13 <|3b|> more productive to work interactively for development rather than building new executables all the time 14:32:14 was so easy 14:32:25 I get to Lisp and then, it = headache! 14:32:44 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.249.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:53 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:32:57 <|3b|> interactive development is a headache in most languages :p 14:33:13 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.249.50] has joined #lisp 14:33:25 *|3b|* would rather make development nice than deployment, since a lot more time is spent on the former 14:33:46 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 14:33:50 <|3b|> now if we could only get a large enough community to make both nice :/ 14:34:08 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.69.237] has joined #lisp 14:35:17 I get the feeling that lisp compared to other languages is a very raw language like Assembly for example, am I right? 14:35:29 I have just started re learning programming after 10 years 14:35:48 Alfr [~Unknown@g225154094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:18 SomeT: It both raw and cooked. 14:37:20 <|3b|> not sure what you mean by "raw" 14:38:16 Xach: good one. 14:38:23 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:39:21 -!- KingNato_ [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:52 haha 14:40:00 like close to machine architecture 14:40:03 as in non linear 14:40:12 I don't know how to best explain it 14:40:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.249.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40:23 as close to 1's and 0's as you can get? 14:41:03 <|3b|> lisp is pretty far from machine 14:41:25 ok 14:41:36 <|3b|> GC tends to imply that is nothing else 14:41:40 I think I give up 14:41:51 *SomeT* uninstalls SBCL until he becomes less of a noob 14:41:51 -!- Neptu [~Neptu@252.67.24.31.static.mrfriday.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:58 That is backwards. 14:42:06 <|3b|> not to say you can't get good performance, or write some code close to machine (for a particular implementation) if you need to 14:42:06 KingNato [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 14:42:46 emacs? 14:42:48 this any good? 14:42:51 in windows? 14:43:01 Emacs is good. 14:43:04 Neptu [~Neptu@252.67.24.31.static.mrfriday.com] has joined #lisp 14:43:15 *|3b|* uses emacs on windows 14:43:30 <|3b|> (at least to the extent i use windows, which isn't much lately) 14:43:40 After nearly 400 responses to my survey, 87% of responders are on Emacs 24 14:43:50 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:43:54 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 14:44:16 <``Erik> I'd guess a majority of them are using emacs24 because "that's what the OS provides", no? 14:44:22 you see I program in Pascal, I am ok at this language, I tried building this into my text editor but just ending up using lazarus in windows instead, haha 14:44:35 ``Erik: I haven't cross-referenced it yet. 14:44:40 but emacs do I need SBCL installed or anything similar? 14:45:04 SomeT: If you want to learn Common Lisp, SBCL is a good CL system to use. And emacs makes a good CL development environment when SLIME is added. 14:45:04 <``Erik> <-- just installs editors/emacs on his fbsd boxen, really has no care about what version as long as slime works :) is a vim guy at heart 14:45:04 verdammelt [~user@ool-43574ebd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:11 -!- sellout- [~Adium@12.147.78.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:45:50 <|3b|> SomeT: emacs is a standalone editor, so you don't need sbcl to run emacs. you still need a CL implementation if you want to program CL though, emacs doesn't contain one 14:46:00 so emacs installed on windows, I also still need a compiler installed, it does not come with it, and overall you are saying SLIME is better than SBCL for this? 14:46:19 <|3b|> slime is an emacs add-on for interacting with a CL implementation 14:46:21 SomeT: SLIME is a program for Emacs that makes it a good CL editing environment. But you still need to add a CL. 14:46:22 but sbcl is a cl implementation? 14:46:32 <|3b|> right, sbcl is a cl implementation 14:46:36 <``Erik> SomeT: slime is the glue layer between emacs and a CL implementation (not necessarily compiler), sbcl is a good CL 14:46:41 and I can use this with emacs? 14:46:47 sbcl can be used with emacs? 14:46:52 <|3b|> right 14:46:58 right, now I understand 14:46:59 thanks 14:47:08 <|3b|> emacs + slime + sbcl would make a complete CL development environment 14:47:13 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:14 so I think I will do my setup as: Emacs + SLIME + SBCL 14:47:19 sounds like a good plan 14:47:20 <|3b|> or you could substitute ccl for sbcl if you wanted 14:47:31 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-124-146.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:47:32 will it make a difference? 14:47:35 I am just learning after all 14:47:37 SomeT: http://www.iqool.de/lispstick.html might help 14:47:51 <|3b|> probably not 14:47:55 hahaha 14:47:58 LiamH [~none@96.231.228.223] has joined #lisp 14:47:58 lispstick 14:48:08 it makes me feel like windows is a dirty whore looking at that 14:48:18 <|3b|> ccl has at times worked better on windows than sbcl, not sure if that is currently the case or not 14:48:26 wbooze [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-154-40.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:48:42 -!- oleo is now known as Guest13126 14:48:47 <|3b|> if you aren't having trouble with sbcl, you might as well stay with that if you already have it set up 14:49:09 -!- Guest13126 [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-183-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:49:25 this lispstick sounds interesting 14:49:41 will I even need emacs, sbcl or slime if I installed lispstick? 14:50:01 <|3b|> looks like lispstick installs those 3 things 14:50:15 <|3b|> or rather contains... not sure it "installs" anything 14:50:19 cool 14:50:22 really though 14:50:31 I would be better off installing all these things my self 14:50:36 to get the latest versiob 14:50:37 however 14:50:40 -!- wbooze is now known as oleo 14:50:57 would that create problems for me as a noob in terms of setting up, is lispstick pre configured in that respect? 14:51:03 -!- DeadTrickster [~dead@62.122.188.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:05 vaporatorius [~vaporator@149.red-80-29-87.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:45 I don't know, I haven't used it. It seems pretty easy to try, though. 14:51:50 <|3b|> probably easier to start out with something prepackaged 14:52:03 awwwwwkay 14:52:03 Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:08 sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has joined #lisp 14:52:10 -!- sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has quit [Changing host] 14:52:10 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:52:13 so I uninstall sbcl 14:52:14 what CL implementations are available on armhp? 14:52:16 then reinstall lisp 14:52:20 sounds like my best option 14:52:33 loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:69a3:fc4b:c398:6164] has joined #lisp 14:53:00 Worst case scenario, LispWorks has a personal edition. 14:53:38 <|3b|> MikeSeth: i've heard of ccl, clisp and ecl running on arm of some sort 14:54:47 I have this $40 ARM box which I dream of turning into a lisp machine 14:57:11 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:27 -!- wobh [~user@65-100-37-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:57:32 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 14:57:43 i recently got an intel box which is a pretty great lisp machine 14:58:17 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:19 is it possible to program Lisp to call my phone 14:58:20 haha 14:59:34 <|3b|> if you could call your phone from C, it could probably be done from lisp as well (since most lisp implementations can call C code, so could use whatever API you used in C) 15:00:12 thanks 15:00:16 never thought of it like that 15:01:10 <|3b|> and aside from that, all turing complete languages (including CL, C, etc) can compute the same set of things 15:02:16 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:42 -!- loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:69a3:fc4b:c398:6164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:51 that lisp sticks actually works 15:14:03 its nice as well because runs straight out the folder 15:14:08 Cool. 15:14:13 Great. 15:14:26 make it less complex for me in terms of system variables in windows (I have to many varibles in there at the moment, gets confusing) 15:14:34 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 15:16:18 You can easily call anything if you set up Asterisk (i.e. Call Files), no programming needed. 15:16:28 There is also SMS Server Tools 15:16:44 what do you mean? 15:16:48 are you talking to mre? 15:17:18 SomeT: joking, about "calling" 15:19:10 -!- verdammelt [~user@ool-43574ebd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:49 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:20:35 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20:37 verdammelt [~user@ool-43574ebd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:52 arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has joined #lisp 15:21:24 francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has joined #lisp 15:22:09 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 15:22:22 no was not joking 15:22:31 what are the sms server tools? 15:22:35 I would be interested in these 15:24:39 can I create executables easier in emacs? 15:27:06 but why <-- because nobody wrote the mythical tree shaker for them 15:27:26 SomeT: No. 15:27:37 I wished to have one many times, but it's just not enough of a priority in the free CLs for anyone to justify spending their limited development resources on it 15:28:56 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:29:19 Those who can do it don't have the time, and those who have the time can't do it. 15:29:21 ASau` [~user@p54AFEFDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:30:27 <|3b|> or don't want to in either case :) 15:30:35 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:30:43 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D99A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:19 SomeT: please don't be offended, but at this point you're too clueless to even ask good questions. Drop the ideas of making Lisp tools, first learn how to set up yourself a Lisp environment following one of the standard ways 15:31:37 learn Lisp, then you'll hopefully know enough to know what even makes sense to do 15:33:09 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 15:33:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 15:34:51 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:26 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 15:37:25 pdk [~realname@c-71-236-103-197.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.182.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:39:49 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:46 -!- _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has quit [K-Lined] 15:44:01 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:45:55 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:01 STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.17] has joined #lisp 15:54:12 I agree mathrick 15:55:13 liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:14 does indentation matter in lisp? 15:55:53 <|3b|> no, but it makes things much more readable 15:56:02 SomeT: the lisp system does not care, but the people from whom you want help & review do 15:56:03 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:16 I just created hello world program 15:56:26 and it displays a T in emacs when I open it 15:56:28 strange 15:56:44 Because the function you use return T, which emacs prints. 15:57:20 If I'm not mistaking. 15:57:49 function as in defun? 15:58:16 <|3b|> what do you mean by "when I open it"? 15:59:38 I type in emacs: (load "hello.lisp") 15:59:42 push enter 15:59:46 then it displays T 15:59:46 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:59:52 code using: (DEFUN HELLO () 15:59:52 "HELLO WORLD" 15:59:52 ) 16:00:03 <|3b|> ok, you are probably doing that in the "repl" buffer 16:00:09 <|3b|> the P in REPL means "print" 16:00:11 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:00:34 <|3b|> REPL = Read Evaluate Print Loop 16:00:57 <|3b|> so it reads the form you entered, in this case (load "hello.lisp") 16:01:08 ah 16:01:11 <|3b|> then it evaluates it, then prints the result, which in this case is T 16:01:21 <|3b|> then it loops back to trying to read something 16:01:26 so where P = print what does T = ? 16:01:43 <|3b|> T is a "true" constant 16:01:58 SomeT, T is the return value for a successful load. 16:02:03 so T means my code works 16:02:06 that is all it is confirming 16:02:12 sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has joined #lisp 16:02:12 -!- sohail [~sohail@184.175.12.220] has quit [Changing host] 16:02:12 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:02:12 exactly, yeah 16:02:14 get it now 16:02:15 thanks 16:02:21 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/#installation I think I need this to do what I want 16:02:25 SomeT, acutally ``a return value for [...]''. 16:03:02 <|3b|> yeah, if LOAD returns T (or any "true" value), it means it successfully loaded 16:03:05 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:03:09 I think the question I should be asking, what is the best documentation or ebook to learn common lisp? 16:03:14 <|3b|> so your HELLO function should be defined 16:03:21 <|3b|> minion: tell SomeT about pcl 16:03:22 SomeT: have a look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:03:31 SomeT, CLHS. :) 16:03:31 thanks! 16:03:37 CLHS? 16:03:39 <|3b|> and you should be able to run it by typing (hello) at the repl 16:03:41 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:47 <|3b|> minion: tell SomeT about clhs 16:03:48 SomeT: please look at clhs: To look up a symbol in the HyperSpec, try saying "clhs symbol". For more information on the HyperSpec see http://www.cliki.net/CLHS . 16:03:48 SomeT, or the ansi standard, if you want to get it. 16:04:10 <|3b|> CLHS is a html version of (the last draft of) the CL spec 16:04:42 The PDF you can buy from ANSI looks bad and is not worth it. 16:04:43 <|3b|> more readable than many language specs, but probably not the best place to start for learning CL 16:04:52 I am lost 16:05:00 <|3b|> good reference to go with some other learning material though 16:05:01 all I want to do is open my file so it prints Hello World 16:05:21 klltkr [~textual@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 16:05:25 <|3b|> your file defines a function that returns the string "HELLO WORLD" 16:05:35 <|3b|> type (hello) at the repl 16:05:37 <|3b|> and hit enter 16:06:15 <|3b|> if you loaded a file with the code you showed, that should return "HELLO WORLD", which the repl will then print 16:06:33 |3b|, I think that depends whether you want to learn programming or just CL and have some background in programming. 16:06:44 francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has joined #lisp 16:06:56 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 16:07:03 so I type in REPL: load ("hello.lisp") -----> (hello) 16:07:43 <|3b|> Alfr: i'd probably still say to read PCL or something first even for good programmers, just read it faster :) 16:08:19 <|3b|> SomeT: type (load "hello.lisp") and hit enter, then (hello) and hit enter 16:08:31 ok got it 16:08:31 thanks 16:08:58 <|3b|> for just getting started it is probably faster to just enter the defun form into the repl instead of loading a file for it 16:09:09 I already done that 16:09:12 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:09:14 this is what I am doing next 16:09:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:09:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:09:31 this is my result: ; in: HELLO 16:09:31 ; (HELLO) 16:09:31 ; 16:09:31 ; caught STYLE-WARNING: 16:09:31 ; undefined function: HELLO 16:09:32 ; 16:09:32 ; compilation unit finished 16:09:32 <|3b|> once you get to files, there are a few slime key shortcuts you should learn 16:09:33 ; Undefined function: 16:09:33 ; HELLO 16:09:34 ; caught 1 STYLE-WARNING condition 16:09:40 that means it worked? 16:09:41 <|3b|> SomeT: don't paste things into the channel 16:09:48 sorry 16:10:21 <|3b|> use the url in the channel topic, and create a paste there, and paste the link it makes instead 16:10:45 ok 16:11:02 |3b|, I don't know about PCL but most books I have encountered so far on CL, doesn't cover the algorithmic part well ... And I somehow consider that programming. 16:11:06 *Alfr* shrugs. 16:11:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:39 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:31 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 16:12:31 cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:31 zz_karupanerura [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:12:43 <|3b|> Alfr: right, for learning programming from scratch, probably could find better sources 16:12:54 <|3b|> clhs would be even worse starting place in that case though :) 16:13:36 -!- verdammelt [~user@ool-43574ebd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:39 |3b|, but I also never seriously wrote macros. ;) 16:13:40 <|3b|> SomeT: paste the contents of your lisp file at http://paste.lisp.org/new/ 16:13:47 |3b|, true. 16:14:18 I think I give up on Lisp, haha 16:14:23 I think as a beginner programmer 16:14:31 perhaps this is not a good language for me to learn 16:14:38 <|3b|> minion: tell SomeT about gentle 16:14:38 SomeT: look at gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 16:14:52 <|3b|> ^ if you are not already a programmer, that might be a better book to start with 16:14:59 |3b|, on the other hand I somehow really enjoyed Abelson, Sussman and Sussman's SICP. 16:15:22 |3b|, but it's not about CL in the first place. 16:15:35 <|3b|> yeah 16:16:56 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 16:17:22 Fare [~fare@184-219-59-233.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:44 in a few secs I think I shall give up, haha 16:17:57 Lisp is the first programming language that I can not get to display Hello World 16:18:07 to me that is a bad start, a very bad start 16:18:13 Don't let it hurt your ego. 16:18:42 I won't 16:18:47 SomeT: endurance and patience are important programming skills. perhaps you should practice them. 16:18:56 I know, but Lisp, come on, haha 16:19:13 you have to admit going from something like HTML to Lisp is a big step right? 16:19:21 SomeT, what are you trying to achieve? Load a file an have that also run a function you just defined in it?... 16:19:29 yes 16:19:46 SomeT: going from a markup language to a programming language? big step indeed 16:19:47 for example in Python I would write: Print ("Hello World"); 16:20:44 and that would fail 16:20:51 why? 16:20:55 ah capital p 16:21:06 since it's 'print' instead of 'Print' and the ; is wrong 16:21:19 *SomeT* is a beginner 16:21:24 -!- frgo_ [~frgo@p5491E1FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 16:21:39 anyway I give up 16:21:45 I will come back to Lisp in the future 16:21:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:58 when I have gained more knowledge 16:22:13 more knowledge to run hello world? 16:22:21 yeah, haha 16:22:26 its a starting point 16:22:38 you have to start somewhere right 16:22:40 but I want to say thanks to everyone for helping me, even though I did not suceed in what I wanted to 16:22:50 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:23:12 doesnt google contain lisp code examples? 16:23:38 yes this is where I start 16:23:40 I learn 16:23:42 then I move on 16:23:54 -!- ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-94-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:23:54 either onto the next more difficult code 16:24:00 or I give up and try another languages 16:24:03 IRCFrEAK [~jircii@187-127-87-119.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 16:24:28 <|3b|> SomeT: (print "Hello World") 16:24:47 <|3b|> SomeT: (defun hello () (print "Hello World)) 16:24:50 <|3b|> (hello) 16:24:58 I tried this 16:25:00 did not work 16:25:04 then you will always jump from language to language writing hello world 16:25:11 yeah, haha 16:25:17 <|3b|> no, you tried something similar to that :p 16:25:21 but its a good way to find which I find easy 16:25:28 -!- liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 16:25:32 for example I am sticking with Python mainly at the moment 16:25:32 <|3b|> show us exactly what you tried and we can tell you what isn't quite the same about it :) 16:25:32 SomeT: wrong and wrong. 16:25:47 seriously everyone 16:25:50 it don't matter 16:25:54 but thanks for the help anyway 16:26:17 good way to what? to know a little of every language? if you have problem - solve it, like that 16:26:36 SomeT: writing hello worlds programs will give you precisely zero information on how "easy" the language is, and how easy a language is will give you zero information on how good it is. 16:27:27 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC42AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:40 im saying this because i spent some time in jumping from one language to another, you still need to go deeper if you want to write programs 16:27:50 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:54 ok I agree, hence this is why I give up on Lisp for now 16:28:09 but some hello world programs have a lot less lines than others, no? 16:28:17 therefore the more lines you write the more complex the code3 16:28:20 so what lol 16:28:24 SomeT: another useless heuristic 16:28:49 ? 16:29:13 anyway I will leave it at that 16:29:20 thanks for the help and advice again 16:29:21 and bye 16:29:26 -!- SomeT [~SomeT@cpc9-leic16-2-0-cust32.8-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 16:29:37 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 16:29:39 why waste your time helping a case like that 16:29:46 karma? 16:30:03 (because you don't yet know that it's a case like that) 16:30:32 but yes, I was about to say that in the olden days that conversation might well have been a lot shorter 16:31:01 Olden days? 16:33:55 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-94-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:55 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35:12 when lispers were real lispers, irc channels were real irc channels, and people with poor attitudes to self-improvement were roasted to cinders 16:35:50 Oh ok ok. 16:37:28 I sometimes wish that everyone was forced to spend at least 15 minutes on a google search before they could ask a question anywhere. 16:41:08 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 16:41:45 lman [~user@unaffiliated/lman] has joined #lisp 16:42:39 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:01 carpenoctem_ [~carpenoct@192.241.206.219] has joined #lisp 16:45:09 Greetings mortals 16:45:30 Good morning 16:46:19 -!- Fare [~fare@184-219-59-233.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:46:23 How have I been missing lisp for so long? Just gone done with SICP and have been listening to functional programming lectures 16:46:33 Fucking awesome stuff 16:48:24 carpenoctem_: welcome to the club 16:48:26 Krystof: Don't know about the old times, but got burned here around five years ago by you. Could not be more thankful for it. 16:48:58 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:49:06 sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But best of luck to you :) 16:49:33 Honestly, I'm really interested in the LISP OS stuff, maybe it's time to steal something like minix and emulate Symbolics LOS boxen? 16:49:43 Krystof: ty. forced me to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool 16:50:26 Krystof: esp first paragraph of that 16:51:04 I mean, use a straight from assembly -> lisp OS built with a minix style microkernel architechture 16:51:19 heh, my xchat wrapped the line before #keepcool, so I thought you used a hashtag and was about to get annoyed 16:51:22 Why would that not work? Looking for constructive criticism. 16:52:38 Hydan: also it makes it that much more meaningful when you say something and Krystof doesn't berate you for it 16:53:29 <|3b|> carpenoctem_: network effects and better things to do are usual reasons "new lispos" projects don't work 16:54:21 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 16:54:29 <|3b|> carpenoctem_: if you look you could probably find an emulator for one of the old lisp machines though 16:54:38 I found this list: http://linuxfinances.info/info/lisposes.html 16:55:17 Yeah what got me started was this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4-YnLpLgtk 16:55:28 vantage|home [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:33 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip68-99-254-231.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:55:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:05 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:10 elfenixtorres [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:29 vantage|home [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:29 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:59:29 billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-21-99.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:29 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-21-99.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:59:29 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:59:30 -!- carpenoctem_ [~carpenoct@192.241.206.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:00:31 carpenoctem_ [~carpenoct@192.241.206.219] has joined #lisp 17:08:30 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:10:38 (one problem with the "tough love" approach is that it doesn't really scale: it can inhibit necessary growth, and it only stands any chance of working at all if it comes from a position of [ahem] unimpeachable expertise, which is less available to a community of 500 than a community of 50.) 17:10:43 there's probably a blog post in there somewhere 17:12:10 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae 17:15:13 -!- IRCFrEAK [~jircii@187-127-87-119.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #lisp 17:17:27 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:17:33 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 17:17:53 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:17:56 how to declare constant in let statement? 17:19:19 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21:07 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 17:21:47 *|3b|* doesn't think you can 17:21:48 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22:17 :( 17:22:19 <|3b|> if you really wanted to make sure something wasn't modified, you could probably do something with symbol-macrolet 17:23:10 i don't want to do it *that* bad ^_^ 17:25:10 <|3b|> alternately, (declaim (declaration please-dont-change-it)) then (let ((foo 1)) (declare (please-dont-change-it foo)) foo) 17:25:25 <|3b|> won't stop any one from actually changing it though :p 17:25:40 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:26:02 I have admittedly done (let ((+x+ 5)) ...), but almost all lispers who have seen me do that haven't liked that 17:26:21 <|3b|> yeah, that was my other suggestion, but i don't like it either :) 17:27:28 well, i want to define parameters, which can't be changed inside the function, but it isnt that important right now 17:28:09 jackdaniel: what prevents you from not changing the variables and let the compiler deal with it? 17:29:24 jackdaniel: make a lambda that returns the value you want to have constant. 17:29:35 <|3b|> do you mean changing contents of an object rather than changing the binding? that would make more sense, but still can't do anything to enforce it 17:29:52 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 17:30:19 H4ns: I'm writing application which parses user functions (responsible for scoring keystroke, its uni project) 17:31:56 with few arbitrary parameters. Lambda makes sense, but it makes function more complicated for user writing function 17:32:16 Lonzykins [~textual@c-69-251-136-146.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:28 jackdaniel: maybe some macro can simlify handling it. Say (defconst name val) to create it and (const name) to read constant value. 17:39:58 STilda: ill probably do that. i was also considering making macro defscore-fun which would parse all symbols in body and replace "const" symbols with values 17:40:07 jackdaniel: i'm not sure i understand. when you say "constant", do you mean objects which have a name but that cannot be changed, like in C++ or Java? if that is what you're after, then you're out of luck 17:42:15 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:53 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:43:09 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:43:12 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 17:43:47 H4ns: that's exactly what i mean :p 17:44:08 jackdaniel: cl does not provide you that kind of constness 17:44:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:44:32 jackdaniel: you'll have to make copies of the objects that you want the user's function not to change. 17:44:52 it's not that necessary fortunately 17:44:55 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:48:08 in structs however you can declare something as read-only 17:48:33 pnpuff [~Ni50M50@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:51:19 jackdaniel: that does not mean that these slots are really immutable 17:53:59 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:16 -!- tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:37 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:54:55 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 17:55:04 -!- pnpuff [~Ni50M50@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:55:11 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:55:30 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 17:55:43 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-59.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:56:52 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:59:28 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@176.62.117.115] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 18:08:16 Fare [~fare@184-198-59-205.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:21 pnpuff [~ephemeral@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:10:05 liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:27 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:21:40 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:22:15 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:22:49 FareWell [~fare@184-219-155-101.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:51 -!- liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 18:23:36 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 18:25:57 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E9FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:26:01 -!- Fare [~fare@184-198-59-205.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:31:43 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:33:24 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:05 -!- anderson [~user@c-67-190-238-152.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:44 add^_` [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:40:01 francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has joined #lisp 18:40:03 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:40:47 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:44:03 -!- add^_` is now known as add^_ 18:45:10 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:18 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:31 crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #lisp 18:46:58 levenson [~user@broadband-95-84-129-236.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 18:49:11 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-176-188.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:17 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:51:19 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.198] has joined #lisp 18:52:49 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:56:05 FareTower [~fare@184-214-77-36.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:02 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.70.253] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:59:51 -!- FareWell [~fare@184-219-155-101.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:03:37 Xach: everything can be done easier in emacs. From http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CoffeeMode to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sXuHnf_lo 19:04:13 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 19:04:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 19:04:13 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 19:05:15 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:06:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:22 -!- FareTower [~fare@184-214-77-36.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:06 araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has joined #lisp 19:07:08 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has quit [Changing host] 19:07:08 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:07:27 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:08:28 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:32 prim [~user@unaffiliated/prim] has joined #lisp 19:12:38 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:13 pjb: second link made me laugh hard :D 19:18:51 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 19:19:16 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:19:42 rpg [~rpg@198-74-7-110.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #lisp 19:20:04 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 19:21:33 stupid question for sbcl download: anyone know how to use those Sourceforge URLs from curl? 19:21:49 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:22:03 -!- wg1024 [~wg@dslb-084-058-017-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:05 I think I'm just getting some SF wrapper page instead of the download I want. 19:27:04 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:23 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:30:32 rpg: why do you think github.com was invented? 19:31:08 In (handler-case (do-stuff) (some-error () forms)) forms is only evaluated, when do-stuff throws some-error, correct? 19:31:16 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:31:21 pjb: So I don't have to download onto machine where I have access to a graphical browser, and then scp it to the final destination? 19:31:21 Yes. 19:32:00 rpg: you could use the cvs/svn/git url in sourceforge too. 19:32:08 fiveop: yes. 19:32:17 -!- Lonzykins [~textual@c-69-251-136-146.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:32:26 pjb: I didn't know I could get a binary that way... 19:36:56 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:38:16 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:31 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:39:21 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:57 If I want to run an asynchronous protocol in the background of my application, and I also want to keep my access to the REPL (preferably via slime), what's the sanest approach ? Put the REPL in an event loop, or run said protocol in its own thread with its own event loop and synchronize with the main application via a pipe (and shared data) ? 19:42:17 cmatei: I would say the latter. Maybe ChanL would suit your needs (Calispel is another CSP library but I question its quality compared to ChanL) 19:42:26 sykopomp can tell you more about it 19:43:14 cmatei: have you considered spawning it via swank? 19:46:12 -!- prim [~user@unaffiliated/prim] has quit [Quit: ))))] 19:46:17 kristof: looks interesting, thanks 19:47:21 cmatei: That's for communicating processes within a single application, though, and has nothing to do with UNIX pipes 19:47:43 -!- nullFxn [~nullFxn@cpe-174-103-20-40.indy.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:00 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-59.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:48:09 jackdaniel: spawn what via swank ? 19:48:29 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:48:33 kristof: the pipe is there so the main thread can tell the protocol thread it's got data to send, instead of just waiting to read 19:50:01 Right, so what you wanted was simply asynchronous communication 19:50:19 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 19:50:34 yes 19:51:00 cmatei: In which case Hoare's Communicating Sequential Processes are a good fit. You've got your main thread doing stuff, and it doesn't need to tell the protocol thread it's got data to send, it just throws the data in a channel (which is a fancy queue), and the protocol thread just gets around to each item whenever 19:51:38 and there are lots of different channels / queues out in the wild to support different kind of mechanisms. Sliding buffers, for instance, will start dropping the oldest messages when the buffer starts getting full. 19:51:57 question is, can i plug this channel in the protocol's event loop, that needs to look for data coming from a socket ? 19:52:22 Why is it coming from a socket? I thought it was coming from the channel? 19:52:48 I've got to go, but read up more on some examples :) 19:53:06 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:20 from main thread yes, from the network side too. but yeah, i've got some reading to do 19:53:24 thanks 19:58:07 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:59:22 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 20:02:55 Joreji [~thomas@134-148.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:03:39 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:10:13 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:12:41 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:14:35 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:17:11 n0n0 [~n0n0___@c-24-7-64-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:27 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:09 probably a FAQ but I'm not getting anything with google: how do I embed a literal #\tab in output with format? ~T doesn't do the right thing (trying to generate a tab-delimited file to be read into a spreadsheet) 20:21:00 <|3b|> you can put a tab character into a string 20:21:18 <|3b|> or use ~c in format string and #\tab in args 20:22:31 former will work fine. thanks! 20:29:51 -!- fade is now known as Fade 20:30:15 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.4] 20:31:13 -!- elfenixtorres [~vantage@113.Red-88-7-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:24 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:05 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 20:35:25 cmatei: What I meant when I said that was that you've got the protocol thread doing whatever, probably listening to the network as WELL as listening from the channel that's shared with the main thread, and that's COOL and all that you're listening to the socket/network but to be honest it doesn't matter at all in the context of taking things from the channel and doing stuff with it, you know? 20:35:43 liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:09 __paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.30.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:36:14 -!- _paul0 [~paul0@189.114.204.173.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:29 cmatei: If the stuff you get from the network and the stuff you get from the channel are intimately tied in a way that you need both to do something, then you could either remove stuff every so often from the channel and remove stuff from the socket and put both in a "To-do" processing list. 20:36:38 cvbbb [~cvbbb@62.217.50.33] has joined #lisp 20:36:42 But regardless of what you choose, I'm sure what I just said must have cleared up some confusion :) 20:37:17 FareTower [~fare@184-214-200-199.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:20 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:37:29 Is commonqt known to work with the latest osx release? 20:37:48 been trying to set it up with both ccl and sbcl, keeps crashing on me 20:38:13 anybody has any suggestions? 20:42:04 -!- FareTower [~fare@184-214-200-199.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42:53 -!- pnpuff [~ephemeral@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 20:44:49 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:46:09 -!- cvbbb [~cvbbb@62.217.50.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:46 cvbbb [~cvbbb@62.217.50.33] has joined #lisp 20:51:14 -!- dan64 [dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:51:35 rfc on this small utility http://bpaste.net/show/167351/ 20:52:11 (if (not ref) nil => (when ref 20:52:52 kristof: i like the looks of chanL so far, it's just that i don't see how to conveniently plug the receiving end of a channel in the blocked-on-i/o-events loop. Possibly a non-issue once I understand this better. 20:53:02 crixxus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #lisp 20:53:08 jackdaniel: Make the names in the docstring match the argument names. "second list" and "first one" are less clear than OLD and REF, although those are not great names to begin with. 20:53:57 nobody using commonqt with a mac? 20:54:18 cmatei: *shrug*. Figure out how to get one symbol to be shared between two threads in general and I suppose that will be the answer 20:55:05 H4ns: thanks, corrected. I'll check other files for this construct (if (not.. ) 20:55:29 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:50 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:13 Xach: thanks too :), ive corrected docstring - old indeed is not good, but what with ref? it is a reference 20:56:48 jackdaniel: if it is a reference, call it "reference" 20:57:10 right 20:57:12 dan64 [dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 20:57:29 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:57:33 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:59 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:59:50 thanks 20:59:52 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:19 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:03:13 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-223-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:36 Joreji_ [~thomas@134-148.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 21:04:37 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: cyphase.com] 21:07:23 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 21:09:23 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:09:30 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:11:23 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:11:48 BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.87] has joined #lisp 21:14:16 LiamH1 [~none@pool-173-73-131-242.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:22 -!- liqu0rice [~yaaic@brln-4d0c8974.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - 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As to irssi cutting long lines  it's not strictly the matter of the IRC client, but of the IRC network. I'm using the splitlong.pl plugin to properly split long lines. 22:31:21 antoszka: it's the client failing, since irssi can and should handle it by default 22:31:28 xchat does without extra plugins 22:31:39 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:31:52 Hm. 22:32:20 mathrick: Does the network communicate the message limit so that the client can handle it without any extra information? 22:32:32 s/message/message size/ 22:32:40 yes 22:32:51 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:32:52 it's what splitlong.pl uses, AFAIK 22:33:47 though the protocol simply doesn't allow anything above 255 chars anyway, AFAIK 22:33:48 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 22:33:53 Ah, cool. 22:34:12 A client could do the splitting, but that would be flooding. 22:34:40 pjb: xchat throttles splits above 3 lines 22:35:01 it pains me to say it, but in this case xchat is doing everything right 22:35:09 which is not often the case 22:35:48 -!- pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:37:31 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:37:55 True. 22:38:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:41 jasom: Either way  is there anything I should do in the meantime to help with debugging the FONTCONFIG ltk issue? 22:42:18 Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:29 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qasgxhscaeatiavw] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:48:35 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-mzpngewnichbitvr] has joined #lisp 23:00:55 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:01:09 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:13 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-96-232.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 23:04:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@134-148.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:08 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@134-148.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:10:23 Gx10 [~Gx10@client-86-29-127-159.glfd.adsl.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:56 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:12:18 -!- ered [~ered@184-23-27-241.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:06 ered [~ered@184-23-27-241.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:21 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:29 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@191.134.140.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:28:20 CrazyEddy [~subpool@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 23:30:11 araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has joined #lisp 23:30:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has quit [Changing host] 23:30:11 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 23:35:05 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:35:05 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:37:37 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:40:45 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:45 -!- Blkt [~Blkt@2a01:4f8:150:80a1::aaaa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:55 Blkt [~Blkt@2a01:4f8:150:80a1::aaaa] has joined #lisp 23:40:57 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 23:44:31 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 23:44:52 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:41 -!- loz1 [~maxvel@93.100.156.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:49:54 neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 23:54:21 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 23:57:36 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 23:58:44 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.92.204] has joined #lisp 23:59:22 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp