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No wonder trying to use an https URL with DRAKMA and a string content blew up in my face. There's no way that it could work. And, at the same time, no wonder I'm badly disenchanted with trying to get actual, paying work done with Lisp. /-: 00:31:53 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 00:32:15 With apologies to JWZ, "Lisp is only free if your time has no value." 00:33:27 -!- Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 00:33:50 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #lisp 00:35:32 (For those wondering, I'm on an old quicklisp dist. Drakma 1.3.0, flexi-streams 1.0.7, cl+ssl 20130312-git. Drakma uses WITH-OUTPUT-TO-SEQUENCE to encode the content, WITH-OUTPUT-TO-SEQUENCE uses an explicitly adjustable vector with a fill pointer, and CL+SSL requires a simple-vector. 00:35:35 ) 00:36:42 Here lies one whose bug reports were writ on water 00:37:37 slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:29 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 00:39:01 -!- brooke_peterson [~brookepet@c-71-63-19-18.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:40:02 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:58 -!- percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has quit [Quit: percopal] 00:41:09 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:42:50 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-176-227.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:43:53 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-168-133.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:49:37 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:21 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 00:53:27 sandhu [~sandhu@JKVLON0504W-LP130-1-845510649.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:55:00 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:00 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:01:27 brooke_peterson [~brookepet@c-71-63-19-18.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:06 -!- brooke_peterson [~brookepet@c-71-63-19-18.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:39 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:06:59 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:07 Hydan [~0x6463@ip-89-103-110-16.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 01:12:42 Xach, herep? 01:13:36 Yes. 01:14:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:19:29 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:20:50 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:21:29 is the anaphora dependency detection working with your current hooks? 01:21:46 I don't understand how. 01:23:03 It gets the answers I expect 01:23:27 Watcher7ish [~w@adsl-108-210-218-82.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:43 nyef: all of my success with lisp and https has involved putting a nice load-balancer or reverse-proxy in front of it to do ssl termination 01:26:35 I don't understand how the *direct-dependencies* thing is supposed to be consumed before the second defsystem overwrites it 01:27:25 -!- Watcher7 [~w@adsl-108-210-217-181.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:58 apathor [~apathor@c-50-138-132-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:22 FareWell: I believe depcheck is run once for each system defined in a system file. 01:31:38 It only triggers if the name matches the target name for that run. 01:34:28 jasom: I usually do that as well, but it doesn't help if you're on the CLIENT side. 01:35:37 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Quit: slarti] 01:39:31 system-file-magic determines the systems in an .asd, and depcheck is called with that info for each system. 01:40:33 leo2007 [~leo@123.119.85.96] has joined #lisp 01:41:39 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:09 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 01:44:26 nyef: oh, right drakma is a client 01:44:33 *jasom* slaps himself 01:45:28 welll 01:45:37 it sort of could. 01:45:43 Yah. And this isn't the first client-side issue that I've had with CL+SSL, though it is the first where I haven't very quickly decided that it's very definitely CL+SSL's fault. 01:46:26 Admittedly, I'm not interested in digging into it further right now, I'm interested in working out what I want from a set of SSL bindings so that I can arrange for it to happen. 01:46:39 Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:38 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:49:50 -!- Petit_Dejeuner__ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:54:23 -!- axion_ [~axion@static-71-245-156-232.alb.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:55:13 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-223-52.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 01:57:11 -!- amadsen [~Alpheus@67.214.225.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:57:22 ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:27 -!- FareWell [~fare@172.56.36.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:58:27 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-214-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:59:25 kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:32 -!- kristof [~Kristoffe@162-236-113-137.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:59:32 kristof [~Kristoffe@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 01:59:38 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:15 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:45 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:04:51 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 02:06:47 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 02:06:54 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:29 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:13:05 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:15 jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:57 Fare [~fare@172.56.22.122] has joined #lisp 02:15:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:20:47 Xach: OK, I have a fix, but I can't seem to push from the middle of the road in Connecticut 02:20:57 pull over to the side 02:21:46 ... DRAKMA uses WRITE-SEQUENCE. Once again, CL+SSL at fault. 02:26:54 I could tell the bus driver to pull over, but I fear he'd leave me there and drive on. 02:27:33 zzyx [~zzyx@pw126254064116.8.panda-world.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:27:48 -!- zzyx [~zzyx@pw126254064116.8.panda-world.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 02:36:54 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:37:12 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:39:47 benzrf [~benzrf@cpe-184-153-153-175.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:40:08 if macros were expanded at runtime instead of compile time, would they lose anything important other than useful speed gains? 02:40:33 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 02:41:09 -!- desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:42:33 -!- Fare [~fare@172.56.22.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:43:44 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:44:30 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has joined #lisp 02:44:58 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:19 ... In connection with what benzrf asked, what was that programming language that was all about the FEXPRs? 02:46:03 newlisp? 02:46:16 also, fexprs are less powerful than macros because they cannot return code to be executed, right? 02:46:25 arent they just functions that take code as an arg? 02:47:27 nyef: kernel? 02:47:43 benzrf: common lisp works if macros are expanded at runtime 02:48:14 Bike: Sounds about right. 02:49:09 Common Lisp MOSTLY works if macros are expanded at runtime. I'm sure someone could concoct a scenario where doing so would break a conforming program, however. 02:49:17 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.50.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49:35 isn't eval explicitly allowed to expand things more than once? 02:49:36 (Hint: It would have to do with the defined semantics of "minimal compilation".) 02:49:51 i mean, you can definitely have code that behaves differently under compilation than eval. 02:50:37 I'm talking about situations where you redefine the macro or change some data that the macro uses between forcing a minimal compilation of the call-site and actually running the function. 02:53:31 -!- sandhu [~sandhu@JKVLON0504W-LP130-1-845510649.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:58:01 -!- benzrf [~benzrf@cpe-184-153-153-175.maine.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 03:03:19 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 03:03:38 yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has joined #lisp 03:11:20 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:12:22 minimal compilation n. actions the compiler must take at compile time. See Section 3.2.2 (Compilation Semantics). 03:12:33 The interpreter does as it wishes. 03:12:39 macros should be side-effect free. 03:12:50 (and reader macros). 03:17:06 side-effect free doesn't mean that it can't have behavior that changes with global state, or be subsequently redefined. 03:18:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:19:46 Fare [~fare@172.56.22.122] has joined #lisp 03:22:05 -!- copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has quit [Quit: checkity check out.] 03:26:07 -!- Fare [~fare@172.56.22.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:26:57 copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has joined #lisp 03:32:10 tmitt [~stephengr@host-68-169-146-178.BROOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #lisp 03:32:17 nyef: Why doesn't side-effect free mean that? 03:35:19 ejbs: side-effect free means that the function won't introduce new side-effects, not that it is not modified by other 03:36:08 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-12-236.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:59 p_l: Oh alright, then I simply misunderstood the context of the statement 03:44:31 -!- _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:45:53 _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 03:48:24 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 03:55:01 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:56:16 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 03:59:51 slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:05 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06:29 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08:54 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:09:13 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:09:38 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 04:12:39 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:13:01 Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 04:13:33 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:14:43 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:15:16 -!- zophy_ [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:15:49 -!- slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: slarti] 04:19:15 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:19:38 -!- Watcher7ish is now known as Watcher7 04:20:24 slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:20:31 cantstanya [~hello@unaffiliated/cantstanya] has joined #lisp 04:24:59 <|3b|> mathrick: if you are researching UIs, might also look at vrui ( http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/Vrui/ ) 04:25:12 -!- Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:46 Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:57 -!- Vivitron` [~Vivitron`@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:32:22 -!- slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: slarti] 04:35:27 slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:33 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 04:35:34 -!- slarti [~anonymous@67-0-129-177.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:39:15 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 04:44:44 n0n0 [~n0n0___@75.144.20.73] has joined #lisp 04:49:00 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-79-250.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:49:07 Good morning everyone! 04:52:30 nyef: Around? 04:52:37 I'm here. 04:52:47 What happened to CLXS? 04:53:03 Not much, why? 04:53:26 Cliki still points to lisphacker.com and that site is inaccessible. 04:53:28 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:30 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:45 Yeah, my site is down, and I'm thinking about options for re-hosting it. 04:54:08 OK. I just wanted to know if CLXS has been worked on recently. 04:54:15 On the upside, my site was managed purely as static files via rsync, and I still have the master copy. 04:54:22 No, haven't touched it in ages. 04:54:27 OK. 04:56:39 Do you think you will again work on it one day? 04:57:00 It seems unlikely at this point. 04:57:31 It might be better to view it as more a proof-of-concept than anything else. 04:57:37 -!- ejbs [~user@h82-117-106-145.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:58:11 I was thinking the other day of an X11 server that would use compositing as a base, and then implement the core protocol in terms of compositing. 04:58:46 flip214: Did you see my additions to the HTML-MOP stuff? 05:00:41 desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:00:46 Given how I approach things now, vs. how I approached things back then, I suspect that the protocol parsing would be rather a bit different were I to rewrite CLXS. 05:01:13 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 05:02:08 nyef: And that's a significant part of the code of a server? 05:02:12 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:02:27 <|3b|> beach: you might also be interested in looking at vrui ( http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/Vrui/ ) for ideas about things that might be interesting to support (or at least think about) in a new UI 05:02:40 All told? It should be a reasonable chunk. 05:03:01 nyef: Hmm, yes, I see. 05:03:43 |3b|: Thanks! 05:04:18 -!- Watcher7 [~w@adsl-108-210-218-82.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: h] 05:04:52 Watcher7 [~w@adsl-108-210-218-82.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:04:58 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:49 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 05:06:51 I think that, were I to do things over, I'd separate the protocol parsing from the semantics a bit more. 05:07:27 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.69.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:07:29 So the parser would turn the request into some data structure? 05:08:12 alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:08:37 Not necessarily, but possibly. The request-handler functions, however, would be constrained to taking their parameters, making a single function call, and then producing a suitable response. 05:09:01 And they'd be in separate files from the functions that they call. 05:09:51 Oh, I see. 05:14:23 Ugh. Why didn't I wrap the request and response buffers in something that hides the byte-order noise? 05:16:51 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has joined #lisp 05:23:33 patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has joined #lisp 05:23:39 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:24:01 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:24:11 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 05:24:55 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:02 nyef: Did you use GIT as source control for CLXS? 05:25:21 darcs. This was shortly before git started hitting it big. 05:25:29 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 05:25:55 In the unlikely event that I started working on it again, converting the repository to git would be one of the first things to happen. 05:25:55 I see. But there is software to turn a darcs repository into a GIT repository, right? 05:26:10 Right, I used some on CLX a while back. 05:26:31 I was thinking it might be worthwhile putting it on GIThub or something equivalent. 05:26:54 ... even if you don't consider working on it again. 05:28:09 I'll add that to my list of possible projects. 05:28:17 Heh. OK. 05:28:25 Somewhere lower in priority than finding new hosting for my website. 05:28:40 What's so hard about finding hosting? 05:29:14 Not much, I'd expect. But I've been somewhat busy recently. 05:29:14 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:29:36 Yeah, I see. 05:29:44 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 05:29:51 I only discovered that the site was down on the first. 05:30:24 Ah. That explains it. 05:30:28 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 05:30:56 Yeah, finding that out at the start of a weeklong SBCL hacking run, and then having to deal with paying-work stuff... 05:31:25 That sucks! :) 05:32:23 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:32:45 Anyway, I didn't mean to distract you from more urgent tasks. 05:34:08 It's half an hour past midnight. My most urgent task right now is putting the light out. 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I think there will be multiple axes because you can choose so many things differently, but they will be somewhat entangled. Ie. menu-based system is going to be more declarative and independent of the pixel-perfect representation of things (or pixels in the first place) 09:39:05 mathrick: It sounds a bit complicated. 09:39:19 it is :) 09:39:41 I'm thinking about it still 09:39:46 zygentoma [~kvirc@s213-103-194-2.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:39:50 mathrick: So you are planning to discuss interaction style as well? 09:39:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:40:06 mathrick: Then you need to read up on Alan Cooper's work. 09:40:07 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:40:16 beach: Maybe. It's not impossible that some breadth will be sacrificed to maintain focus and clarity 09:40:25 initially I thought only about programming styles 09:40:34 That would be my advice. 09:40:42 but programming styles are coupled to what you can do in the resulting system 09:40:47 Yes, sure. 09:40:54 But that would be treated more as a result. 09:41:28 jonb_ [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 09:41:55 beach: I think I might go with a detailed taxonomy along the programming style axis, and introduce some more axes with more cursory treatment to represent the different systems you can obtain 09:42:30 Sounds like what I would have done. 09:42:36 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 09:42:52 If the main organization is around programming style, you are pretty sure not to reinvent the wheel. If you choose interaction style as the main axis, you are going to need to read up on a lot of recent literature. 09:46:29 -!- jonb_ [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:47:37 beach: yeah, I wouldn't go with that as the *main* axis. But I'm still thinking how many axes I should present and in what depth 09:48:02 I think it's time I just start producing an outline and then we'll see what I can get in there without problems 09:48:24 Sounds good. 09:48:33 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:49:01 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:55:27 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 09:57:17 faheem [~faheem@bulldog.duhs.duke.edu] has joined #lisp 09:57:49 does anyone have any idea what might be wrong here? -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734962 09:59:49 The error line looks like -> touch: setting times of `docstrings/': No such file or directory 10:00:47 <|3b|> looks like it gets confused by different asdf versions 10:01:53 -!- crixus [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01:54 [SLB]: i was afraid of that. ok, i just upgraded asdf. i'll try building it again 10:02:06 |3b|: sorry. ^^ 10:03:40 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.161.55.88] has joined #lisp 10:06:23 In the original MOP text there are sometimes "figures" consisting of Lisp code that are LaTeX floats with captions and that are referred to from several places, sometimes from different sections. How should I translate that into HTML? Put each such figure in a separate HTML file? 10:08:23 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-82-8.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:14:45 reza [reza.mail8@194.33.104.35] has joined #lisp 10:15:30 -!- reza [reza.mail8@194.33.104.35] has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:31 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 10:15:31 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:16:17 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:16:41 francogrex [~user@91.182.140.103] has joined #lisp 10:18:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 10:20:26 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 10:20:49 -!- pillton [~user@124-171-224-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #lisp 10:25:42 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.63.0] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 10:26:56 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.161.55.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:28:43 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.94.104] has joined #lisp 10:33:03 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 10:36:05 beach: are you writing html directly? that looks like something that just shoud be on every page that references it. 10:36:05 prxq, memo from pkhuong: I pushed some code to https://github.com/pkhuong/acd-alm 10:37:25 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:37:49 nullFxn [~nullFxn@cpe-174-103-20-40.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:38:21 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:9478:2c03:90e:6142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:38:56 dmitry [~textual@178.162.95.192] has joined #lisp 10:41:33 jonb [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has joined #lisp 10:41:50 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.68.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:46:39 -!- jonb [~jbarker@18.189.79.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:51:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.119.85.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:59 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:52:20 prxq: Yes, I am writing html directly. So you mean duplicate the figure? 10:53:44 kubatyszko [~kubatyszk@softbank126078216014.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:27 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:08:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:08:48 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:18 -!- dmitry [~textual@178.162.95.192] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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