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04:17:20 cneira: CSV, I guess? I'd use with-open-file, looping over the contents with read-line, and maybe use cl-ppcre:split to get the keys/values which I'd load into an assoc. 04:17:32 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 04:17:48 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-125-126.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 04:18:49 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-180-220.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:21:11 -!- ircbrowse [~chrisdone@2a01:4f8:150:5307::2] has quit [Changing host] 04:21:11 ircbrowse [~chrisdone@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 04:21:50 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:45 -!- paul0 [~paul0@200.146.127.233.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:25:28 -!- railly [~lilin@211.142.247.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:26:25 -!- Joel_re [~jr@115.69.254.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:28:14 -!- blacklabel [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:17 Joel_re [~jr@110.226.152.102] has joined #lisp 04:35:37 thanks loke I'll take a look at cl-ppcre 04:37:08 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 04:38:32 paul0 [~paul0@200.146.127.162.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 04:41:35 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:49:10 that was samskulls 04:49:30 cneira: Is the data in CSV form as samskulls thought? 04:50:15 Anyway, sorry, I have to go home and back again. 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is lisp a gay programming language? 07:38:41 Yes. 07:38:54 Homosexuals and lisp programmers tend to have higher intelligence than ordinary people. 07:39:01 So there is that relationship. 07:39:15 If you can't manage the lisp programming you might consider becoming homosexual. 07:39:17 Good luck. 07:39:25 well faggots have a lisp 07:39:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:39:33 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:39:37 so i imagined there'd be a correlation 07:41:00 I hear that they have Pray the Gay to Stay camps -- you might apply. 07:41:24 On Lisp has a whole chapter about how to suck dick. 07:43:17 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:44:01 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:23 -!- RenRenJuan [~juand@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:48:19 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.40.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:49:34 ggole [~ggole@106-69-50-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:49:44 orly samskulls? 07:50:06 neverwearcondoms: yes, orally! 07:50:27 I gotta go to bed though; have fun trolling. 07:50:38 no, it's a serious question 07:50:47 was the person who invented lisp gay? 07:51:04 alan turing was a faggot... not that it makes any difference, but is there a correlation? 07:51:09 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 07:51:16 Lisp was invented in the 50s, which I think predates the stereotypical "gay lisp". 07:51:28 Either way, it stands for LISt Processing 07:51:42 when was the gay lisp invented? 07:51:49 *samskulls* shrugs 07:51:59 Seriously off topic. Silence is better than this, folks. 07:52:10 Yep. See y'all later. 07:52:11 I presume that the gay lisp postdates television. 07:52:17 then go stfu and fap in a corner splittist 07:52:26 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52:46 hah, waw 07:54:13 -!- Joel_re [~jr@27.0.52.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54:29 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Zhivago 07:54:30 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:36 -!- Zhivago has set mode +q neverwearcondoms!*@* 07:54:43 There you go. 07:56:12 Joel_re [~jr@110.224.36.133] has joined #lisp 07:58:42 -!- neverwearcondoms [~freeiran@pool-71-177-95-243.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:59:46 whitepowerkkkguy [~freeiran@pool-71-177-95-243.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:17 who hates niggers here? 08:00:21 WHITE POWER 08:00:31 and don't wear condoms... they ruin sex 08:01:04 -!- Zhivago has set mode +q *!*@*.lsanca.fios.verizon.net 08:01:41 -!- whitepowerkkkguy 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09:00:25 I guess that means it cannot die either ;-) 09:00:44 right. it may become hard to use it some day, but that's not quite the case 09:02:02 vaporatorius [~vaporator@234.Red-88-18-77.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:02:14 Or it may be the base of something that becomes self aware... 09:02:47 a CL implementation of Emacs might be good to have, yes 09:03:33 dchevak: if you want to get more useful answers, you may want to ask specific questions 09:04:18 dim: like Climacs or Hemlock? 09:04:40 no, something that you can use daily instead of Emacs, with the same emacs lisp scripts than you already use 09:04:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has joined #lisp 09:04:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has quit [Changing host] 09:04:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:05:15 przl [~przlrkt@p5792349F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:06:13 tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 09:07:03 then what would be the additional good of having CL under the hood? 09:07:38 -!- AttackOnTitan [797f0a52@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.127.10.82] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:07:47 having a lisp underneath that support multithreading 09:10:23 baboon` [~user@188.73.8.88] has joined #lisp 09:13:05 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:6957:7037:a368:5975] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:13:16 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:6957:7037:a368:5975] has joined #lisp 09:13:22 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@3-6.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:13:26 -!- kanru` [~kanru@114-32-24-38.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:14:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:15:15 performances, too 09:15:27 you could actually use Emacs for your text processing needs 09:18:09 STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.34] has joined #lisp 09:20:29 I was searching for cnc machinist channel and seen lisp with 370 people I didnt know people still used it anymore ? 09:20:32 feel free to complete this http://tromey.com/blog/?p=709 (: 09:20:50 -!- STilda|2 [~kvirc@188.162.167.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:24:14 -!- ehaliewi` [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:28:20 dchevak: I searched for a modern and practical programming language with a complete set of features and only found CL 09:28:29 I'm happy I did find it ;-) 09:28:53 splittist: yeah, I won't, but I would enjoy seeing some efforts go in there 09:29:35 also I think the Emacs rendering should be given some thoughts, maybe using webkit or something like that would be much better (allowing an image displayed in Emacs to span more than one line, etc) 09:30:07 well, cl or not, i would like to have an emacs that does not choke on long lines 09:30:22 i find gnu emacs to be pretty much unusable very often nowadays. 09:30:53 as soon as i load a file with a few dozen megabytes of data, it starts to crawl. and if the file is not line oriented, emacs basically dies. 09:30:55 i hate it. 09:30:57 09:31:02 Like someone said at some point: Lisp doesn't look any deader than usual. 09:31:06 erm, i meant 09:31:18 It's coming back strong. Any day now it's taking over. 09:33:10 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:35 braiiiins 09:34:36 chawls [~ronen@IGLD-84-228-66-76.inter.net.il] has joined #lisp 09:35:33 DigLiv [~chatzilla@123-2-250-54.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:37:17 H4ns: agreed 09:40:35 -!- protist [~protist@144.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:41:11 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 09:41:41 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-60-118.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:02 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has joined #lisp 09:42:29 -!- setheus_ [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:43:36 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:33 RenRenJuan [~juand@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:46:26 -!- hiyosi 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seconds] 12:04:17 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.209.16] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:04:41 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:31 -!- dsp__ is now known as dsp_ 12:09:49 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 12:10:40 -!- mbobak [~mbobak@81.89.53.154.vnet.sk] has left #lisp 12:11:55 francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:27 Hi can someone give me a hint on an sbcl run-program syntax, I always have problems translating from windows cmd to that, for example here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140405 12:13:42 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-30-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:16:54 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:17:21 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:17:27 francogrex: have you tried '("/PFC:\\myfile.doc") ? 12:17:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 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from consing some abstract cursor. 13:00:45 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 13:01:17 oxum [~oxum@122.164.165.46] has joined #lisp 13:01:40 yes! 13:02:32 avoid iterate, it's broken by desing 13:02:39 design :-) 13:04:16 -!- cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04:33 really? what to use? DO? ;-) 13:04:37 hu.dwim.frobnicate? :P 13:04:54 your loops are simple, just use LOOP 13:05:00 oh man, LOOP 13:05:10 it conses, too 13:05:13 of-type s*cks 13:06:25 hlavaty: do elaborate on how iterate is broken by design, as that's the first time I've heard of that. 13:07:02 DO is great 13:07:31 except with DO, one needs to write their own tail-consign macro 13:07:38 possibly with the ability to dx the conses ;-) 13:07:41 it needs to walk your code, which is not portable and doesnt compose with other "clever software that wants to walk your code" 13:07:43 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:07:51 hlavaty, not true, walkers are great 13:08:04 portability's the eye of the beholder 13:08:04 they dont compose 13:08:25 they don't mix 13:08:30 but compose, yes, if fed one another 13:08:46 150,656 bytes consed 13:08:48 ! 13:10:11 the only thing that seems to cons right now is the actual mapcar of the dx-result, at the very end 13:10:42 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:43 tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 13:16:15 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:17:21 przl [~przlrkt@p5792349F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:17:40 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 13:21:21 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 13:22:03 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:30 Munksgaard [munksgaard@hub.pronoia.dk] has joined #lisp 13:23:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:25:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-30-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:26 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-19.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:13 -!- Sgeo_ [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:55 xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:47 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-30-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 13:39:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:39:49 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:41:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-30-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:38 <|3b|> sthalik: which lisp implementation are you using that needs all those THE? 13:43:13 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 13:43:49 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46:05 |3b|, SBCL 13:46:46 *|3b|* wouldn't use them in SBCL 13:47:06 *|3b|* wouldn't use (safety 0) either 13:47:25 i see the need for these THE 13:47:38 especially for specials 13:47:40 <|3b|> declaim the type of the globals 13:47:45 aha 13:47:46 thanks 13:48:22 echo-area [~user@123.112.225.58] has joined #lisp 13:48:47 but 1+ fixnum can not be a fixnum :( 13:48:49 <|3b|> if the functions being called like WORD-SCORE are too big to inline, you can also declaim their type 13:48:58 <|3b|> right 13:49:51 they're short, actually 13:50:02 new optimization - dynamic grace score, depending on TIMES-SENT_OF 13:50:04 <|3b|> if you really want a wrong answer though, just chop off some bits 13:50:04 s/_/- 13:50:24 <|3b|> otherwise declare a smaller type 13:50:34 <|3b|> if you know the result is always a fixnum 13:50:40 yeah 13:50:49 but THE is still needed for non-vars 13:50:55 does one need FTYPE? 13:51:23 also, the fixnum length is a pain 13:51:24 *|3b|* usually inlines things rather than using ftype, but ftype might work too 13:51:42 inline accessors? 13:51:49 <|3b|> declaim inline 13:52:06 yeah 13:53:10 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 13:53:33 wow, that's amazing 13:53:36 thank you! 13:54:21 15.968 seconds of real time 13:54:24 18,118,880 bytes consed 13:54:44 teggi [~teggi@123.21.195.60] has joined #lisp 13:54:57 15 secs for 1k sentences, is really good 13:55:18 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-195-117.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:55:35 <|3b|> have you profiled to verify the time is actually in that function not the stuff it calls? 13:56:49 |3b|, yes, i've profiled w/o inline 13:56:57 do you want to see the system? 13:57:07 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:57:13 akbiggs [~akbiggs@bas3-toronto02-1279463796.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:57:24 http://github.com/sthalik/cl-annoybot/ 13:58:11 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has joined #lisp 13:58:16 what i like the most is ever-increasing grace scoring 13:59:29 <|3b|> in MAYBE-WORD, < takes more than 2 arguments 14:00:35 :) thanks, again 14:00:52 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:00:56 pushed 14:00:58 mathrick, hi 14:00:59 <|3b|> and in extract-words-from-line (length line) is always true 14:01:12 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:01:17 too much time in {} :/ 14:02:39 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:56 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:04:32 what's nice, it no longer generates forever when TIMES-SENT-OF gets bloated 14:04:52 can one :type fixnum a slot, and inline the accessor to make it work faster? 14:05:23 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-60-118.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:58 hola sthalik 14:06:33 mathrick, long time no see 14:06:44 -!- paul0 [~paul0@200.146.127.162.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:06:46 wanna see the chatterbot? 14:07:00 sthalik: did you use another nickname before? I know I know you, but my terrible memory prevents me from knowing why :\ 14:07:05 mathrick, "weirdo" 14:07:08 ah! 14:07:12 that's it 14:07:38 got older, spewing less nonsense, sfvo 14:07:58 "some for values of"? 14:08:02 typo :) 14:08:32 I don't really believe in having nicks which are just your name, and especially not in changing to nicks which are just your name 14:08:33 also did some vision software, but not in CL 14:08:35 it's confusing 14:08:36 oh 14:08:44 what'd you use? 14:08:53 mathrick, github sthalik/headtracker 14:08:56 opencv :( and flandmark 14:09:03 <|3b|> you shouldn't need THE SINGLE-FLOAT or first THE FIXNUM in word-score 14:09:34 |3b|, 1+? 14:09:45 <|3b|> fixnum + 1 is still smaller than a machine word, so it should still be fast, and if you specify a type to FLOAT it will know the return type 14:10:06 sthalik: I just interviewed for a company yesterday making vegetable sorting machines, and they were all "ew opencv, so slow, we write it from scratch" 14:10:08 <|3b|> or just do (/ (+ 1.0 idx)) in the first place 14:10:46 amazing 14:10:56 mathrick, opencv isn't exactly slow 14:11:00 just hsv it 14:11:03 like, carrot :) 14:11:04 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@bas3-toronto02-1279463796.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:14 no need to use haar 14:11:19 opencv for me isn't slow, even with ransac 14:11:34 the issue is the people who write it, they use form letters and are arrogant 14:11:47 like, well, vadim p. 14:12:01 who closed my issue cause i didn't solve it myself 14:12:32 well, speaking of which, ransac *is* a little ibt slow 14:12:36 use what now? 14:12:47 mathrick, err? 14:12:51 why isn't something like (replace-all ...) in the ANSI standard ? 14:13:05 zophy, map-into? 14:13:11 the issue is the people who write it, they use form letters and are arrogant <-- you mean canned responses that don't have anything to do with the actual issue? 14:13:15 hmm 14:13:18 mathrick, yes! 14:13:29 i saw it on multiple occasions on code.opencv.org bug tracker 14:13:33 maybe he works for paypal customer service 14:13:42 not being able to use a tool (any not done by you/your group) indicates the class struggle as manifest in the high attrition rate in IT may be the real underlying iccie 14:13:46 mathrick, actually not vadimg, some women with commit access 14:13:56 vadimg's just arrogant 14:14:05 mathrick, also note that EPNP is unstable 14:14:08 numerically 14:14:15 *issue. open CV can't be that slow and it's c++ leg is probablly fast enough for rt apps 14:14:29 i use -O3 -ffast-math -frename-registers -flto 14:14:30 Enterprise Plug 'n' Play 14:14:33 -march=nocona 14:14:54 check out sthalik/headtracker, with flandmark it's only half the suck 14:15:05 also only bitches say "ew'ww" 14:15:07 used to use haar, it was horrible, the pain 14:15:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:45 m. uricar so far got all the pulls from me, merged 14:15:54 but i only helped with the build system, now it works even on osx 14:16:11 another thing of course if they have a competing equivalent fw / tool set 14:16:20 oh boy, me net be a-suckin' 14:16:25 that's solely lisp 14:16:33 RenRenJuan, who has a lisp cv toolkit? 14:16:51 :) 14:16:56 You mean, lisp code to write resumes? 14:17:03 pjb, computer vision 14:17:08 RenRenJuan: it was a paraphrase, and they don't use lisp 14:17:08 Oh right. 14:17:08 i meant as a basis for dissing open-cv as was said to be done 14:17:20 ah 14:17:27 RenRenJuan, i've never done cv in lisp 14:17:29 There was some early work in CV done in lisp. 14:17:30 too much to be done 14:17:43 well you could use ffi 14:17:50 RenRenJuan, with cxx name mangling? 14:17:57 wrappers? swig? :D 14:18:07 these people dropped C support in 2.0 14:18:10 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 14:18:10 But nowadays, you'd use GPUs anyways, so you'd first have to write a DSL to compile to GPU first. 14:18:21 pjb, i don't use GPU, it's fast enough for 60 HZ 14:18:26 with just 1 core, even 14:18:34 -!- DigLiv [~chatzilla@123-2-250-54.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 14:18:43 for both faces and aruco AR marker tracking 14:18:53 in the latter, did some ROI opts, and it's still stateless due to fallback 14:18:54 people who do c++ ffi or deal with it, it's just another routine programming task 14:18:58 it takes 10 jiffies 14:19:07 Or sumthin 14:19:14 RenRenJuan, but why do it? it already works 14:19:28 anyone knows what happened to the ecl mntnr? 14:20:20 sthalik, opencv? yeah that was my 1st poing 14:20:32 RenRenJuan, my code, sthalik/headtracker and opentrack/opentrack 14:20:34 which i maintain 14:20:41 *point* 14:21:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:42 also, it's meant to be understood by various people, had i done it in lisp, well... 14:21:55 not being able to use perfectly adequate function because you didn't create it or it's not in your favoriite lang is bitch ass is my point 14:21:55 the annoybot's written in lisp and people who want to use it, don't understand it 14:22:12 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:22:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:22:30 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:22:37 also don't see why using your real name as nick is a problem unless ur JohnDoe or something 14:24:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5792349F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:06 *RenRenJuan* apologizes in advance. Using the current mac version of xchat which is a little shaky 14:25:27 Is your name RenRen? 14:25:43 that's my Chinese name, yes? 14:25:53 s/?/./ 14:26:17 Is that your real name? 14:26:59 it was accidentally used when mac sleep broke the IP session 14:27:01 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 14:27:17 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:27:27 otherwise my western name would there 14:28:01 Just curious. 14:29:00 anyone did AR marker tracking in CL? 14:29:11 rewriting opentrack in CL woulda been cool 14:29:20 :) 14:30:38 -!- francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.4 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:34:18 copyninja [~kakashi@146.185.137.224] has joined #lisp 14:34:24 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-63cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: exit(EXIT_FAILURE);] 14:37:26 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:38:33 dcxi [~dcxi@32.Red-81-37-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:49 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 14:42:19 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:45:15 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 14:45:18 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 14:49:37 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:05 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:57:15 cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 14:57:42 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 14:58:10 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:58:21 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:58:25 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:08 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 14:59:29 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:59:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:06 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 15:01:11 zygentoma [~kvirc@s213-103-194-2.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 15:01:13 hi 15:01:44 lo 15:01:51 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 15:02:05 ^.^ 15:02:16 -!- sellout- [~Adium@97-118-116-71.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07:33 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae 15:07:50 Kenjin [~kenjin@180.189.170.104] has joined #lisp 15:09:46 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:06 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:21:31 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 15:22:15 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:39 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:25:14 add^_ [~user@m176-70-194-52.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 15:25:40 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:42 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:26:21 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 15:27:53 duggief__ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:29:10 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:31:27 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:31:34 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1096686679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:46 akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.161.70] has joined #lisp 15:34:22 sellout-1 [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:35 -!- sellout-1 is now known as sellout 15:35:15 -!- duggief__ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:51 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36:47 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 15:37:28 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 15:44:55 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:45:44 KaiQ [~localhost@p5B2B3CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:02 yello zygentoma 15:52:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:54 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 15:56:17 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-12-200.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:56:19 harish [~harish@124.197.66.86] has joined #lisp 15:58:46 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:02:38 what to use instead of TRUNCATE for float -> int? 16:02:50 it emits a warning that it can't inline 16:03:14 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:14 (SB-KERNEL:%SINGLE-FLOAT SB-C::RES) 16:03:32 (TRUNCATE (THE SINGLE-FLOAT (* (THE FIXNUM (HASH-TABLE-COUNT CL-ANNOYBOT::HT)) CL-ANNOYBOT::*MEDIAN-WEIGHT*))) 16:04:42 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:06:02 You have the choice between truncate, ceiling, floor, and round. 16:06:14 But I guess you'll get the same warning from sbcl. 16:06:17 i'd like to receive a fixnum, suitable for AREF 16:06:40 slurping mantissa bits by reinterpreting a float into long woulda been perfect :P 16:06:43 s/long/int32_t 16:06:55 where's Xach? 16:07:20 Strangely, I never have those kinds of warnings. But then, I don't often use sbcl either. 16:07:42 Why can't you just write (truncate (* (hash-table-count ht) *median-weight*)) ? 16:08:02 tag bits 16:08:08 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64824.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:10:00 i.e. it's not a full, or boxed, integer 16:10:19 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:11:39 sthalik: is this a speed critical bit of code? 16:11:42 sthalik: ? No implementation have any problem with the simple form: http://paste.lisp.org/+30C8 16:12:55 maybe you shouldn't use special vars if it needs to be fast 16:12:56 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:13:51 it conses tad more, than before 16:14:05 no issue, code probably not worth taking a look by sbcl experts 16:14:20 as for specials, it's still under development 16:16:12 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:27 no matter, it spends less than a second in gc 16:16:42 didn't know generating markov nonsense was so fun 16:16:49 at least, given proper input 16:17:31 It's a bit like watching a bear ride a unicycle while drunk. 16:18:18 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:46 exactly :) 16:20:48 the trick's to adjust grace score, and score negatively past usage 16:20:57 also, fix bugs :) now the nonsense's much more pleasant 16:23:13 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:36 -!- wooden [~anon@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:25:16 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:27:28 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:29:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:33:30 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ekbnxiihiusnmvqh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:39 wooden [~anon@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden] has joined #lisp 16:34:52 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:36:15 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-wuhsvzymbyydinmg] has joined #lisp 16:37:17 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-82-201.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:44:34 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-194-13.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:44:41 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:44:51 Good evening everyone! 16:44:51 beach, memo from Bike: in Code/Environment/environment.lisp you mention not understanding the use of the environment argument to compiler-macro-function. the answer is that local functions and macros shadow compiler macro definitions. also if there's a better way for me to say things like this that would be good 16:46:09 Bike: Thanks, I read this memo in the logs, and I see what you are saying, but I still don't quite get it. I'll figure it out eventually, though. 16:46:12 Evening beach! 16:46:18 beach: morning. 16:46:28 beach: ah, I mean evening. 16:46:44 splittist: What's up? Any time for Lisp programming? 16:46:54 beach: something is wrong with my reader today. 16:47:20 hitecnologys: Not important. It is morning somewhere. 16:47:31 Not quite yet - but I think I've found the paren keys again. 16:48:01 splittist: Aha! 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17:01:45 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:02:01 Why should it be allowed to violate a package lock? 17:02:28 quasus [~kondratye@193.137.102.254] has joined #lisp 17:02:59 pjb, because it makes some kind of sense do declare ftype function sequence fixnum 17:03:09 or s/sequence/simple-vector/ etc 17:03:20 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:44 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:03:57 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:04:33 bah, iterate fails to declare fixnum one of the indices 17:04:52 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 17:04:57 It's the problem of having only a single namespace. :) 17:05:31 Zhivago, come again? 17:06:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:47 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:06:52 Well, there's only one name, so you can't separate accesses for types and accesses for functions and so on. 17:06:57 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:07:10 Zhivago, yeah, the whole type system could use a renovation 17:07:15 well, coulda used typed-racket 17:07:21 but i'm sentimental :) 17:08:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:09:07 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:09:35 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:09:39 is typed-racket using llvm by now? :P 17:09:55 for 1k iters worth of nonsense, 9.917 seconds of real time 17:10:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:47 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:11:58 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@193.104.83.223] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:05 bah, can't ASH a float :< 17:12:24 or access the bits 17:12:28 but that's another matter :) 17:13:03 bah, wait one. that's 10k nonsense iters 17:13:51 sthalik: you're forbidden by the standard to declare symbols exported from the CL package as functions if they're not already defined by the standard to be functions. 17:13:55 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:13:55 clhs fixnum 17:13:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_fixnum.htm 17:14:07 not a function therefore you can't declare it to be a function. 17:14:24 pjb, i've meant declare LENGTH to be ftype foo -> fixnum 17:14:25 Furthermore, notice that the implementation may already have a function definition and declaration on it! 17:14:33 sthalik: you can't. 17:14:37 yeah :( 17:14:41 -!- antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:42 sometimes i hate bignums and tag bits... 17:14:45 and boxing 17:14:49 The implementation is allowed to superset the language, and have a declaration of length to be something else. 17:15:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:15:30 superset CL? :o 17:16:21 sthalik: you can always define your own package: (defpackage "STAHLIK-LISP" (:use "CL") (:shadow "LENGTH") (:export "LENGTH")) (declaim (ftype (function (vector) fixnum))) (defun stahlik-lisp:length (x) (check-type x vector) (the fixnum (cl:length x))) 17:16:40 sthalik: eg. in sbcl, you can define other subtypes of sequence, and of course length work on them. 17:16:44 where's stassats? 17:17:28 -!- zeebrah [~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:46 sthalik: sleeping, I think. 17:19:54 -!- syrinx is now known as yaerdme 17:19:58 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:03 -!- yaerdme is now known as syrinx 17:20:59 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:30 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host110-243-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:28 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:28 Could LENGTH in any implementation return a bignum though? 17:24:03 bignum, no 17:24:05 For lists, yes. 17:24:09 but a non-fixnum, yes 17:24:11 pjb, return? :P 17:24:35 any implementation may choose to use 16-bit for fixnums, even in a 64-bit addressable space. 17:24:50 pjb: Yes, I was just going to say that. 17:25:10 pjb: Are there such implementations? 17:25:30 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:06 or you could have 27-bit fixnum in 32-bit RAM, and 8-byte cons cells, so a list could still be more than 2^27 cells long. 17:26:19 -!- baboon` [~user@188.73.8.88] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:26:37 2^27 = 134,217,728 which is small. 17:26:50 Right, same basic idea. 17:26:55 or non-8-bit bytes 17:26:56 :) 17:28:55 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:26 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:30:36 sthalik: not a bignum, but a non-fixnum? What would it return then? 17:30:47 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-88-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:04 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-npozwbrshazguvby] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:32:19 pjb: So most sane implementations would be justified in declaring the return value of LENGTH to be FIXNUM, right? 17:32:42 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 17:33:55 They could do that if it is true for them, of course. 17:34:05 Sure :) 17:35:05 clall -r '(log (1+ most-positive-fixnum) 2)' 17:35:05 17:35:07 Armed Bear Common Lisp --> 31.0 17:35:11 Clozure Common Lisp --> 60.0 17:35:14 CLISP --> 48 17:35:17 CMU Common Lisp --> 29.0 17:35:19 SBCL --> 62.0 17:36:01 so with cons cells using 8 bytes, I guess sbcl length will always be fixnum. But with a lot of RAM or swap, ccl may have problems. 17:36:12 clhs integer-length 17:36:12 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_intege.htm 17:36:19 -!- quasus [~kondratye@193.137.102.254] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:36:24 right. 17:36:30 Conceptually I always think log 2. 17:37:12 err, sbcl cons cells would use 16 bytes. 17:37:50 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:08 Now of course, implementation that use a copying GC (or generational GC) restrict more the use of memory, you can't fill it up as much). 17:38:09 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:27 Indeed. 17:38:48 funny that no two implementations have the same fixnum size. That could be a selection criteria :-) 17:39:04 Vivitron [~Vivitron@50.172.44.193] has joined #lisp 17:39:18 I was thinking the other day that loop counters that start on small-ish values and increment by one in each iteration would very likely always be fixnums in a 64-bit implementation. 17:39:32 pjb: Weird, yes. 17:40:19 Well, as when we switched to 32-bit, using 64-bit simplies things. 17:40:41 beach, integer within address space limit 17:40:57 pjb: "simplifies"? Yes. 17:41:11 yes. 17:41:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64824.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:41:30 sthalik: So if it is an integer, but not a fixnum and not a bignum, what is it? 17:41:44 nothing. 17:42:11 pjb: Sssshhhh! Don't give sthalik the answer. 17:43:17 beach, word? 17:43:18 Sorry, a reflex :-/ 17:43:18 sthalik: from the CLHS: "The types fixnum and bignum form an exhaustive partition of type integer." 17:43:19 -!- splittist [uid17737@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-maiujbodvyaurqfu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:22 -!- victor_lowther [uid17606@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxnbllynkkvslohq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:36 can one stackalloc a bignum? 17:43:50 sthalik: Changing the subject I see. 17:43:52 :-) 17:44:00 theorically, (let ((x (compute-a-bignum))) (declare (dynamic-extend x)) ) 17:45:14 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 17:46:50 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:47:05 -!- hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:52 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51:14 -!- d4gg4d_ [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otqnpzwcgyftidib] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:53:59 It would take an awfully smart compiler to stack allocate a variable-sized structure like a bignum returned from a function call. 17:54:01 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.62.173] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:54:25 ggole, open-code the bignum generator 17:57:43 sthalik: I suspect you speak more than your fair share of nonsense. 17:58:36 -!- michael_lee [~michael_l@1.80.35.0] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:59:09 sthalik: Oh, I get it, you ARE the annoybot! 17:59:31 -!- cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:45 :| 18:00:20 well, if one was able to get the amount of bytes before the calculation 18:00:27 even overcompensate for the cost of correctness... 18:00:39 splittist_ [uid17737@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgwqzkwxfsvnqojk] has joined #lisp 18:01:24 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:27 still nonsense? 18:01:52 I believe so, yes. 18:03:17 Overcompensating for arbitrarily large amounts of storage sounds fun 18:03:38 You could have a fixed buffer and fall back on the heap, but that sounds like a terrible idea. 18:03:50 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:10 I'd suppose a lot of implementation use a special heap area to implement dynamic-extend anyways. Stack allocation is not as convenient as you'd think. 18:06:52 Makes walking it tricky, particularly if you want values of dynamic size 18:07:13 beach: so if you have (flet ((foo ...)) (some-macro)) and some-macro uses its &environment argument to call compiler-macro-function, it won't find any one for foo 18:07:45 beach: this particular case is obscure obviously, iirc ccl doesn't follow this, but i don't think i saw much shadowing stuff in that file in general 18:08:04 Some implementations of functional languages even go so far as to allocate stack frames on the heap (although I believe the intent there is to allow a simple, cheap implementation of continuations). 18:08:19 Bike: I believe you. I just need to think it through myself to be really convinced! 18:08:24 aight 18:08:30 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.119.93.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:09:00 there are analogous things for macroexpansion and setf expanders and stuff 18:09:23 Yeah, it's probably pretty obvious once you get it. 18:09:35 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@180.189.170.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:19 this was pretty much the most annoying part of playing with environments for me, since at macroexpansion time you have to look at variable and function bindings even though you're not doing anything with them 18:11:14 Bike: In what context did this bother you? Did you write a language implementation? 18:11:30 just a simple CL to closures compiler 18:11:38 (it was wrong anyway, i 18:11:43 messed up tagbody and such) 18:11:47 heh! 18:12:01 that dynamic extent stuff is tricky. 18:12:10 victor_lowther_ [uid17606@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxtmfwhothjuibey] has joined #lisp 18:14:32 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:34 d4gg4d__ [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycgkibzmftyoicbo] has joined #lisp 18:21:23 good1 [~user@92-48-86-2.static.as29550.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:03 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:29:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:02 HG` [~HG@213.5.69.34] has joined #lisp 18:32:16 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-55-72.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:26 l` [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:38:09 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-wuhsvzymbyydinmg] has quit [Quit: 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I've only used it a couple of times 20:28:28 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 20:28:57 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-82-248.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:49 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db401db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:38:53 do you have an idea why eg. shift is not used? I can't enter :, *, !, or any other key that needs shift. äöü don't work, too - but that is easier to explain. 20:39:15 You're surprizing me. 20:39:45 I am? 20:40:42 setheus [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:57 flip214: X11 or terminal? 20:41:10 In Clozure CL.app on MacOSX, Hemlock gets shift without a problem. Eg. C-h c S-h gives H is bound to 'Self Insert'. 20:41:36 normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-067-036.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:01 flip214: hemlock on what lisp? 20:42:23 that's CLX (can't get QT to run ATM), X11, debian amd64, on sbcl 20:42:55 I have swank in there, so I could easily look around if that helps. 20:43:44 flip214: What are you working on? 20:44:35 kristof: I'm trying to get vim keybindings to work. 20:44:44 now I got "The value ERROR is not of type SB-DI:FRAME." .... 20:45:06 I'm using gitorious.org/hemlock/hemlock.git, BTW 20:45:34 adding vi keybindings to hemlock... priceless! :-) 20:46:53 prxq: I'd be happy about using an editor with a solid base. Sadly I won't attach that label to either VIMs C nor to emacs lisp ... 20:47:37 HG`` [~HG@79.142.73.19] has joined #lisp 20:47:38 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48:29 The QT backend gives me an error during compilation. 20:48:30 OPERATION-ERROR while invoking # on 20:48:31 #SO "qt" "so" "commonqt"> [Condition of type ASDF/BACKWARD-INTERFACE:OPERATION-ERROR] 20:48:35 -!- HG` [~HG@213.5.69.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:55 flip214: Solid in which respect? (Note: i'm not saying nor implying that this is a bad idea) 20:49:00 and I haven't found out yet what the reason is - some shared library missing, etc. 20:49:24 prxq: solid as in eg "a language with lexical variables AND macros"? ;) 20:49:25 Does anyone know any examples of self-correcting codebases? 20:49:59 kristof: yes. I've read about some genetic algorithm that tried to find and fix problems in simple algorithms. 20:50:07 flip214: That's really awesome 20:50:32 you can take a look at the gnu optimal hash generator or what it was called, too. 20:50:35 This is a very unfleshed-out idea but what if there was a function that was optimized with type declarations 20:50:39 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:48 And so it was certainly optimized for those types, but it errored when a bignum was used instead of an int, for instance 20:51:02 and then the running code saw that it was still a number, so it replaced the optimized code with the more general case? 20:51:06 flip214: let me know if you get vim bindings in hemlock; I will happily try that out. 20:51:21 flip214: I use evil-mode in emacs right now 20:52:06 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@109.129.28.151] has joined #lisp 20:52:06 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@109.129.28.151] has quit [Changing host] 20:52:06 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 20:52:43 -!- robot-be` is now known as robot-beethoven 20:52:43 flip214: solid as in "A language just like common lisp except for implementation bugs"? I think I like that definition of solid :-) 20:53:04 prxq: which language are you thinking about? 20:53:33 flip214: I can reproduce your issue with the clx version of hemlock in quicklisp 20:53:51 hooray! 20:54:03 let's start a github project and get that working Real Soon Now. 20:54:13 kristof: a just-in-time compiler. but backwards. 20:54:27 Bike: more a just-in-time debugger ;) 20:55:47 kristof: google "fix programs genetic algorithm" and look at the first few. 20:56:09 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:56:20 qt and tty don't seem to have the problem 20:56:23 eg http://dijkstra.cs.virginia.edu/genprog/ 20:56:43 jasom: thanks. So I'll just try to get QT running again - it did work a year ago, IIRC. 20:57:21 what lib does it say is missing? I was missing libsmokeqt at first, but on gentoo a single USE flag fixes that 20:58:01 strace just said that smoke.h was not found 20:58:09 doing apt-get right now 20:58:42 ah, seems to go further. thanks. 20:59:35 I guess that would be a nice presentation for the next ELC ... "stop the editor wars - help hemlock!" ;) 20:59:49 meh, now hemlock.qt isn't working for me 20:59:56 The function HEMLOCK.QT::SX is undefined. 21:00:12 flip214: cant you guess? :) 21:01:15 -!- lasanbr [cervanto@silenceisdefeat.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:02:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:14 jasom: with QT shift works for me too, but there's a bad font being used ... the cursor isn't in the text characters anymore. 21:03:05 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f679bf.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:19 prxq [~mommer@x2f679bf.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 21:06:08 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:18 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@3-6.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:32 apparently creating a thread in INITIALIZE-INSTANCE is enough to prevent an object from being collected/finalized until the thread is defunct in SBCL 21:06:49 that seems bad 21:07:00 grmpf The function HEMLOCK-INTERFACE:BITMAP-HUNK-FONT-FAMILY is undefined. 21:07:13 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 21:08:16 https://gist.github.com/rpav/7832108 <- tiny example, i'm still on 1.1.12 though 21:08:22 x86_64 linux 21:08:37 (yes :full t is probably irrelevant there) 21:08:43 lasanbr [cervanto@silenceisdefeat.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:50 ccl might be as well, so i'm wondering what i'm doing wrong 21:15:51 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:16:04 how do I set a memo in minion? 21:16:34 blacklabel [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:22 minion: tell jasom about memos 21:17:23 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``memos''. 21:17:29 tsk. worth a shot 21:18:38 meh, I found his e-mail address so just did it the old-fashioned way 21:20:45 hm, what lisp implementation do you guys recommend? 21:21:05 zygentoma: sbcl is what I use 21:21:05 Is there hemlock already mirrored in github so that I can just clone it? 21:21:13 I just want to play around a little and I'm from the mathematical field  21:21:15 flip214: it's on gitorious I think 21:21:19 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:21:42 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-125-126.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:22:02 MoALTz [~no@host86-142-125-126.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:12 flip214: https://gitorious.org/hemlock/ 21:22:31 -!- normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-067-036.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:51 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24:18 jasom: yes, that's where I got it from. 21:24:38 flip214: so just clone that? 21:25:03 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-27-90.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:14 hmrpf, I'm not yet registered on gitorious 21:25:31 git clone should do the trick; I'm not registerd on gitorious either 21:26:02 desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:26:19 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:49 I think I'll just push to github. 21:28:00 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@s213-103-194-2.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:29:09 jasom: https://github.com/phmarek/hemlock-editor 21:34:18 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36:51 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:38:05 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 21:38:09 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:16 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.137.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 21:41:01 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:43:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:51 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:33 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 21:44:44 nug700 [~nug700@71-35-69-220.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:00 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:02 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-wijztlikesrwruph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:46:26 flip214: according to http://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/m you need libqt4-dev, libsmokeqtgui4-3, libsmokeqt4-dev for commonqt 21:47:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:29 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 21:49:38 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:42 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:58 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 21:53:59 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 21:54:24 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.16] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:54:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:49 fortitude: thanks, I could solve it already. 21:56:34 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:58:09 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 22:03:14 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:03:22 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 22:03:47 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 22:03:47 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Client Quit] 22:03:55 pnpuff_ [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 22:04:10 -!- pnpuff_ [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 22:05:00 -!- vaporatorius is now known as Vaporatorius 22:06:11 ASau` [~user@p54AFEA6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:07:13 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.161.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:07:42 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-201-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:09:18 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D05E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 22:11:25 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 22:12:05 -!- HG`` [~HG@79.142.73.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:16 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:15:32 |3b|` [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has joined #lisp 22:16:45 -!- dyreshark [dyreshark@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:3628] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:16:45 -!- |3b| [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17:11 dyreshark [dyreshark@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:3628] has joined #lisp 22:17:52 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:01 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:34 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 22:20:02 -!- chawls [~ronen@IGLD-84-228-66-76.inter.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23:31 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:45 -!- tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:30:01 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:31:26 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-1-52.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:32:48 (dotimes (x 10) (declare (fixnum x)) ...) accepts the declaration (in SBCL). (loop for x from 9 downto 0 do (declare (fixnum x)) ...) does not. (locally (declare (fixnum x)) (loop ...)) works. Is "locally" a preferred way of making declarations? 22:33:01 of-type 22:33:04 no 22:33:09 use ITERATE 22:34:56 -!- gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-27-90.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:41 syrinx_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 22:36:24 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-12-200.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:25 -!- prip_ [~foo@host140-135-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:48 prip_ [~foo@host140-135-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 22:37:03 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-184-12-200.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:37:05 william-cushing: if you want that level of control over iteration, use do. Or write yourself a macro for C-style loops that expands to do / do*. 22:37:15 (loop for x fixnum from 9 downto 0 do ...) 22:38:04 or equivalently "x of-type fixnum" 22:38:30 -!- Wukix`` [~user@173-228-55-74.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:38:40 Wukix`` [~user@173-228-55-74.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:33 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:46 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:39:47 -!- gko_ [~gko@114-32-172-194.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:39:56 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:40:01 -!- strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:31 gko_ [~gko@114-32-172-194.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:07 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-194-52.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Later] 22:42:58 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 22:43:21 thanks for the advice. where can I read about iterate? 22:43:44 cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:20 ...nvm, google knows. 22:46:11 -!- |3b|` is now known as |3b| 22:46:20 william-cushing: can't you do loop for fixnum x from 9 downto 0 do ... 22:46:50 william-cushing, 22:46:56 (deftype iterate::index () 22:46:56 'fixnum) 22:47:01 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:47:31 rather (loop for x fixnum from 9 downto 0 ...) 22:47:48 it shoulda infer the range 22:47:50 If the type isn't one of a small number recognized by loop I think you need an AS keyword 22:47:50 anyway... 22:47:57 (integer 0 9) 22:47:59 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:48:44 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 22:49:38 anyway my point is that loop allows declaring they types of variables introduced by with and for 22:51:07 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:51:38 thepreacher [~thepreach@172.212.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:21 -!- RenRenJuan [~juand@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:54:15 -!- thepreacher [~thepreach@172.212.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:54:16 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:44 yes, loop does allow it using of-type, as sthalik somewhat cryptically mentioned. 22:56:58 (loop for x of-type fixnum from 9 downto 0 do ...) 22:57:40 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.165.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:59:09 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:33 nha [~prefect@koln-4db401db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:03 malbertife [~malbertif@host87-52-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:04:26 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:05:04 -!- sellout- [~Adium@ip-64-134-230-136.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:47 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db401db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:07:58 nha [~prefect@koln-4db401db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:14:04 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 23:14:08 -!- sthalik [sthalik@aurora.misaki.pl] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 23:14:14 haz1 [~haz@94.8.64.168] has joined #lisp 23:14:21 sthalik [sthalik@aurora.misaki.pl] has joined #lisp 23:16:03 format strings are actually japanese emoticons in disguise 23:18:18 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:18:31 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:18:44 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@3-6.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 23:18:53 ehaliewicz [~user@12.27.66.4] has joined #lisp 23:19:11 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:44 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has joined #lisp 23:19:56 haz1: ah, finally. I had always suspected something sinister like that. 23:21:11 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has joined #lisp 23:21:50 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:6957:7037:a368:5975] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:33 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f679bf.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:45 the one i just made.. the resemblance is uncanny ~{~a~^.~} 23:24:01 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@85.110.49.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25:47 so that takes '(System out println) and writes "System.out.println"? 23:35:08 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@host87-52-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:36:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:49:05 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:18 dcxi [~dcxi@32.Red-81-37-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp