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If they don't know, they'll mock you for asking a stupid question :D 00:52:00 Fair I guess. 00:52:16 -!- tatsushiko [~tatsushik@250-81-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:39 I'm writing an HTTP server on top of :usocket, and want to serve some PNG files 00:52:57 -!- echo-area [~user@114.254.101.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:13 inaimathi: You can use hunchentoot directly 00:53:43 The naive `write-sequence` thing errors with "The value 137 is not of type CHARACTER" 00:53:59 zRecursive: "write", not "run" 00:54:00 inaimathi: you want bivalent streams 00:54:07 inaimathi: are you trying to write a sequence of integers to a character stream? 00:54:19 ikki [~ikki@187.208.253.247] has joined #lisp 00:54:43 I'm using the default usocket streams. How do I go about making them bivalent? 00:54:53 inaimathi: http://weitz.de/flexi-streams/ 00:56:05 inaimathi: you set :element-type to '(unsigned-byte 8) on either CONNECT or ACCEPT 00:56:24 inaimathi: then the link Bike posted lets you build a stream on top of that that can take either characters or bytes 01:00:52 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:43 -!- harish [~harish@124.197.69.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:02:23 -!- chenjf [~communi@117.136.39.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:31 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:46 This may take me some time to test out. 01:05:55 Thank you, though! 01:07:51 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC096.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:35 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.253.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:17:16 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@180.189.170.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:51 Ok, that worked perfectly. 01:22:02 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:09 I've got a slight reading problem now though; is there a `byte` equivalent to `read-char-no-hang` defined somewhere? 01:23:02 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 01:24:05 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:34:28 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:55 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:36:54 michael_lee [~michael_l@113.139.51.73] has joined #lisp 01:37:31 -!- hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39:39 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:41:37 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:53 ConstantineXVI [~constanti@74-132-238-234.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 01:45:40 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 01:50:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:52:26 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:54:05 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:31 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 01:56:10 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 01:57:15 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 02:02:13 inaimathi: I don't know of one; I use iolib which defaults to non-blocking sockets 02:03:00 inaimathi: clisp an scineer define read-byte-no-hang as extensions btw 02:03:53 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 02:03:56 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04:58 alternatively you can do the evil thing I do. Use character-streams of encoding iso-8859-1, and rely on the fact that all major implementations have character codes 0-255 map to their latin-1 equivalents 02:05:14 I wouldn't suggest that though 02:05:36 also some google tells me that read-char-no-hang doesn't always work on sockets 02:06:44 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-wkiaaqzokluhppts] has joined #lisp 02:07:22 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-136-54.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 02:07:56 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 02:09:16 -!- ConstantineXVI [~constanti@74-132-238-234.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:09:59 ConstantineXVI [~sxltrs@74-132-238-234.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:03 slarti [~anonymous@173-166-46-65-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:14 -!- ConstantineXVI [~sxltrs@74-132-238-234.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:36 -!- pjb [~user@AMontsouris-651-1-225-143.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:37 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:48 inaimathi: if you're doing server stuff, I can recommend iolib/sockets btw; it has things like epoll, etc. 02:11:36 inaimathi: only downside is that the latest version in quicklisp is old; you'll want the latest checkout from github 02:13:46 ConstantineXVI [sxltrs@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:8909] has joined #lisp 02:15:11 I'll take a look at iolib; it'll probably do for my purposes. For the moment, I just cobbled my own `read-byte-no-hang` together using `trivial-timeout`. 02:15:36 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:17 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-63cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:20:09 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 02:21:26 -!- ConstantineXVI [sxltrs@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:8909] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:21:58 inaimathi: also the only real documentation for iolib is M-. 02:22:02 ConstantineXVI [sxltrs@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:8909] has joined #lisp 02:22:23 Hah. I was sort of expecting that. 02:22:30 though for basic socket stuff you can see http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/data/iolib-tutorial/tutorial.html 02:22:59 Gruu [~Gruu@91.240.67.141] has joined #lisp 02:23:02 Yup. 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echo-area 03:43:40 leo2007 [~leo@123.119.93.169] has joined #lisp 03:50:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:41 araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has joined #lisp 03:50:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.46.113] has quit [Changing host] 03:50:45 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 03:51:20 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 03:58:48 cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:11 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:25 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@24-107-146-188.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 04:01:14 what do you guys think about clojure 04:01:22 the differences leave me uneasy 04:01:26 but the libraries are tempting 04:03:22 deadghost: Which differences leave you uneasy? I like Clojure (but spend a heck of a lot more time writing CL). 04:04:10 "There is no tail-call optimization, use recur." 04:04:17 idk how big of a deal that is 04:04:33 well tail call optimization isn't required in CL, so 04:04:37 desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:04:37 additional syntax 04:04:46 tied to java 04:05:04 these seem like kind of shallow things to fret about. 04:05:43 are there major things I should fret about? 04:06:01 hell if i know, i've never touched clojure. 04:06:33 In practice the recur never gave me troubles 04:07:39 deadghost: Clojure was actually originally for CLR, and theres still an active port, so youre not tied to Java  except where you explicitly call it. 04:08:42 vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 04:09:07 Or, you know  depend on libraries that call it. 04:09:13 Personally I think that explicit tail recursion should be prefered. 04:11:59 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] 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order to take advantage of it 04:42:51 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@horgix.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:42:53 That's why you want explicit tco. 04:43:32 Then the compiler can tell you when you've violated the requirements for it. 04:44:17 yroeht [~yroeht@horgix.fr] has joined #lisp 04:45:03 But scheme does demonstrate that guaranteed tail recursion isn't pointless, even when macros can invalidate it -- it's just less reliable. 04:46:48 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 04:47:50 -!- scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:47:50 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:48:05 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-24-13-132-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:07 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:24 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 04:48:54 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 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09:33:41 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:30 Poenikatu [~Poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has joined #lisp 09:36:50 In a Lisp file, I do (defparameter *name* value "doc-string") and reference that *name* in a function. The SBCL compiler says that *name* is undefined. Why? 09:37:25 have you loaded this expression? 09:37:45 Using SLIME, I issued the command C-cC-c 09:38:17 The notes appeared after the C-cC-c command 09:39:01 it works *here* 09:39:16 Where is *here*? 09:39:16 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-55-72.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 09:39:46 i typed in file (defparameter *name* :value "doc-string"), pressec C-c C-c on it and slime recognizes it 09:40:12 COMMON-LISP-USER::*NAME* 09:40:12 [symbol] 09:40:12 *NAME* names a special variable: 09:40:12 Value: :VALUE 09:40:12 Documentation: 09:40:15 doc-string 09:40:19 sorry for spam ;( 09:40:33 Poenikatu: C-c C-c only compiles one top-level form 09:41:08 Furthermore, I define (defun process-html-line ...) and, later in the file (the next defun) I define another function which references (process-html-line ...). I got a note that process-html-line is undefined. Why? 09:41:30 Poenikatu: press C-c C-l 09:41:50 jackdaniel: the C-c C-c equivalent would be C-c C-k 09:42:01 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 09:42:02 Poenikatu: does the flashing yellow region not give you a hint? 09:42:39 smells like a package issue 09:42:55 stassats: C-c C-l only asks additionaly for path (pre-filled with currently edited path) 09:43:40 jackdaniel: C-c C-l only loads the file, without compile-file 09:43:42 didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 09:44:13 ow, you're right, my bad 09:44:19 tx (: 09:46:55 How do I take out the hard coded `6' from the control-string and use `~v' with `6' as its argument? (format t "~{|~6@:<~A~>~}|" '("" "**" "***" "**" "")) 09:47:20 you can't 09:47:28 Aaaah, bummer. 09:48:00 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. Freenode staff: If this is happening too frequently, please set a nickserv freeze on my account, and once my connection is stable, unfreeze the account and /kill me to trigger a reconnect.] 09:48:17 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 09:48:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09:48:54 *Poenikatu* A minor accident! Water everywhere! 09:49:10 ... 09:49:30 I see now. C-cC-c means compile defun. Ah well, thanks for your help. C-cC-l should do the trick. 09:50:08 stassats: I've still not really understood the SLIME environment yet 09:50:18 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: i will be back...nvm] 09:50:20 minion: please tell Poenikatu about slime.mov 09:50:20 Poenikatu: look at slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 09:50:31 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:48 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.8] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:50:53 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 09:51:25 stassats: minion Ta! a lot 09:51:45 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 09:52:10 bulibuta1 [~bulibuta@irofti.net] has joined #lisp 09:53:01 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:03 mal___ [mal@2001:41d0:1:66c4::1] has joined #lisp 09:53:47 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 09:54:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:59:30 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 10:00:22 -!- desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:37 add^_ [~user@m176-70-194-52.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:00:48 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:03:38 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 10:05:25 I'm trying to tabulate a list of strings in which each string is justified to the middle. Is there a known idiom to do this? I'm thinking of just concatenating the value of the variable that will contain the mincol to the control-string in my last expression and be done with it. 10:06:58 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:12 -!- motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:54 -!- QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-71-174-212-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Iceape 2.7.12/20130119143918]] 10:11:14 -!- bulibuta1 [~bulibuta@irofti.net] has left #lisp 10:11:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:14:50 Why is assoc not setf-able? 10:15:30 it doesn't need to be 10:16:09 Wouldn't it be nice to be able to modify an alist in-place instead of consing new stuff in front of it all the time? 10:16:28 what made you think that you can't? 10:19:11 stassats: (setf (assoc 3 '((3 . 4))) '(3 . 5)) throws an error. (setf (cdr (assoc 3 '((3 . 4)))) 5) does seem to work though... 10:19:23 there you go 10:19:40 just handle the case where there's no entry already, and you're set 10:19:50 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:19:51 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 10:20:24 aftershave [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 10:21:06 stassats: Alright, thanks. What if i want to remove an association? something like (unassoc 3 '((3 . 4)) -> nil 10:21:29 clhs remove 10:21:29 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_rm.htm 10:21:56 Of course... silly me. 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Can anyone recommend something? 13:13:09 cl-gpg I think 13:13:20 -!- hugod [~user@69.157.170.213] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:15:18 kliph` [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:15:41 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-82-201.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 13:15:48 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@105-236-20-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:03 xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:27 failing that, i'd just fire up gpg 13:18:04 that's what cl-gpg does IIRC 13:18:13 xotedend_ [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:18:39 -!- xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:19:03 -!- xotedend_ is now known as xotedend 13:21:49 daimrod [daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 13:22:23 Are there any IRC daemons written in Lisp? 13:23:12 only minions and golems 13:23:46 No servers? 13:24:10 przl 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So are the links at the bottom providing that ebook or an outdated version? 16:03:18 And does he mean ebook for free or will it be paid? 16:04:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:52 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 16:07:02 -!- hugod [~user@69.157.170.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:44 hugod [~user@69.157.170.213] has joined #lisp 16:12:11 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-82-201.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:15:25 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:15:42 cgore [~cgore@108-209-245-92.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:46 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:00 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:17:29 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ytistgzrewlqqiup] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:18:31 kondratyev 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[~oxum@122.164.188.93] has quit [Quit: ...] 20:01:36 xlib on osx 10.7 recently? I get "Connection failure to X2816.0 server tmp/launch-VRpdms/org.x display 0: Protocol version mismatch" 20:02:10 Yes, there's a protocol version mismatch with X11R7. I had that also with X11 on ubuntu. 20:02:20 Xlib needs an update. 20:02:37 so i would need to downgrade my x11 somehow? 20:02:47 It's an alternative. 20:03:44 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 20:03:46 is there a 3rd alternative, outside of that and updating xlib? 20:03:49 It's probably not a big change, probably just in the first packet. Reading X11 doc should make it an easy patch to xlib. 20:04:13 oh 20:04:28 I've heard mcclim has a Cocoa backend, "Beagle" its name, but it's probably old, and would need as much work. But try it and see. 20:05:23 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 20:05:56 rpg [~rpg@198-74-7-110.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #lisp 20:06:13 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:06:46 I had beagle working for my purposes in  2005? Probably still works, right? ;) 20:07:17 On 10.5, yes probably. On 10.9, who knows? 20:08:09 beagle failed to compile for me 20:08:26 but I just started this venture today, so I have some energy left for a few different things 20:09:05 I playing with ecl, and its `load` doesn't seem to load from string streams, is it reasonable to assume that `load` should work on string streams? 20:09:09 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:09 hiredman: it is. 20:10:10 hiredman: Nope. 20:10:13 Oh. 20:10:48 it should. It's just a STREAM or a pathname designator. 20:11:15 dcxi [~dcxi@32.Red-81-37-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:02 ok, it seemed like it would be reasonable to me, but I am in strange land 20:12:27 arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has joined #lisp 20:12:38 what is *load-truename* for a string-input stream? 20:12:49 nil. 20:12:58 the hyperspec says the filespec is a stream or pathname designator 20:13:03 Sorry, I think I misinterpreted the question  I was thinking the stream contained the filename, not the code. 20:13:20 which is sort of confusing 20:14:11 hiredman: What is happening when you try to load the stream? 20:14:15 hiredman: it also says "load loads the file named by filespec into the Lisp environment. " that could be taken to mean that the stream must be a file 20:14:27 (with-input-from-string (src "(defun f (x) (if (zerop x) 1 (* x (f (1- x)))))") (load src)) 20:14:32 (f 42) --> 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 20:14:59 works on ecl for me 20:15:37 jasom: interesting, I am using 13.5.1 built from git 20:15:51 -!- samskull` is now known as samskulls 20:15:51 hiredman: And pjbs example fails for you? 20:16:10 hiredman: 13.5.1 from gentoo portage here 20:16:18 -!- levenson [~user@broadband-95-84-129-236.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:17:02 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:17:17 Oh, interesting, it works at the repl, I must be doing something wrong in my C (I am doing some bootstrapping of ecl from C) 20:18:54 ah, ok, I shouldn't open the stream before I pass it to load 20:18:57 thanks guys 20:22:31 fenton [~fenton@S0106001839ecd155.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:41 -!- LoicLisp [~loic@222.28.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:41 hiredman: you cannot open streams, only files. streams can only be closed. 20:25:35 opening a file gives you a stream (not necessarily open!, cf. :direction :probe), but there are other ways to get streams, such as with-input-from-string, or non-standard socket stuff, etc. 20:26:57 -!- fenton [~fenton@S0106001839ecd155.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:27:27 Ah, of course 20:30:58 -!- sellout- [~Adium@97-118-116-71.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:34:23 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:04 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-ftdgzxjxhaopphjt] has joined #lisp 20:38:43 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 20:38:57 SLIME q: Here's something I often want to do - look at the definition of a called function *while keeping position on the caller*. Any way to get SLIME to put the def into a new window, instead of jumping the existing one? 20:40:58 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:41:07 sellout- [~Adium@97-118-116-71.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:50 rpg: If I have multiple windows open, it sometimes does that, so I know it's possible 20:42:35 desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:43:03 jasom: I may just need to write a wrapper. The problem is when I am editing function FOO and want to look at the function BAR it calls (or that calls it) defined in the same file. When I jump to BAR, I do it in the same window, and lose my focus on FOO. 20:44:29 Eylusion [~eylusion@107-222-6-86.lightspeed.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:36 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.114.139] has joined #lisp 20:45:38 Can someone recommend very well written or presented training for a new lisp user? 20:46:01 I'm trying to run through the allegro cl video training's, and i've worked through a couple books, but i haven't found anything yet that is really sparking my interest 20:46:11 (+ 2 3) is about the extent of my skill 20:46:59 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ ? 20:47:05 Eylusion: I'm more of a "hands on" learner, so I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for. Do you have an example for a different language that you liked? 20:47:46 ogmo: i'll give that a look, thank you 20:47:55 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-056-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48:12 jasom: i'm not a coder, but if an in the event that one day I am, it will be lisp, period :) 20:48:27 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-68.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:30 i recommend "hands-on" learning .. glance through a book to get an idea what's there, then just go write something for real .. otherwise you won't learn much of value 20:48:37 jasom: I am actually on the verge of taking classes if i could find them at this point, i'm starting to think I'm gonna need to get spoonfed. 20:49:01 Eylusion: doubtful, most classes are terrible 20:49:20 well i have some rocket science formula's that I'd like to put into lisp, have it prompt for variable values and then run through the equation and print the result for me. 20:49:37 read code .. it helps a LOT .. and write code for some real, actual thing you want 20:49:43 pjb: so it was your finding that the version of xlib (or wrapper) available to common lisp needs to be updated to support connecting to a more modern xserver? 20:50:04 Eylusion: that should be fairly doable with just a little more than (+ 2 3) 20:50:05 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:50:15 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:25 essentially 20:50:33 is there a repository anywhere, where someone has written a whole bunch of newbie stuff I could cut and paste and step through line by line to get a good understanding of it? 20:50:35 a defun with your inputs 20:50:48 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51:00 Eylusion: this is easier to do if you have a specific question. do you have a running instance of lisp anywhere? 20:51:10 akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.161.70] has joined #lisp 20:51:38 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:41 Eylusion: try looking at http://hyperpolyglot.org/lisp 20:51:59 and honestly, once you do, go read practical common lisp, the book is available to free, and easy to approach 20:52:22 Eylusion: If you're new to programming, take a look at this book in order to start your Common Lisp experience: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" 20:52:23 jangle i got clisp and allegro installed right now, kinda vearing towards the allegro, just cuz it's got basically a notepad next to the r-e-p prompt 20:53:11 thank you everyone, I'll give those resources a glance or two 20:53:48 Eylusion: if you set aside about an hour even, you'll probably end up knowing enough to get your formulas into lisp 20:54:38 i hope so 20:55:12 Eylusion: well go try it and come back with questions. 20:55:30 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-ftdgzxjxhaopphjt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:59 ehh, i'd just end up pissin everyone off with my ignorance :) I'll just keep trying to fumble through it 20:57:17 no worries, I will give those 2 books a chance though 20:58:25 or see 99 lisp problems 20:58:33 I do have to admit i like the writing style in "Land of LISP", it's fun and captivating, he just jumps into coding a game and enough conditionals to make my head spin a little too fast 20:59:09 if you're that worried about the mechanics, but basically, print a formula you would want to calculate, then just break it down into its operator/operand sections 20:59:15 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:59:40 (defun magick-rocket-formula (arg1 arg2) (+ arg1 arg2)) 20:59:43 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@3-6.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:08 now you get to call (magick-rocket-formula 10 20) and you get 30 back. 21:00:30 alrighty 21:00:34 I'll get to it :) 21:00:35 cory786 [~cory@247.sub-70-194-195.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 21:01:53 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.16.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:56 its easier than you think to get started. most people have issues who are used to programming in other languages and make a transition to lisp, but if you're just starting out, you actually have an advantage. and no one here will bite your head off for asking questions 21:02:11 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:02:15 quasus [~stanislav@bl16-67-160.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:02:31 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:20 -!- pierpa [~user@host241-242-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:34 -!- quasus [~stanislav@bl16-67-160.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #lisp 21:03:52 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@88.231.16.166] has joined #lisp 21:04:13 it's actually the recursion that makes me nuts 21:04:49 granted I think i'd just write nested if statements et naseaum, that's more comfortable for me 21:06:22 you don't have to use recursion unless you want to. 21:06:49 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:07 recursion is better suited to problems like "take a list of things, and as long as it is not empty, eat the first item, and then repeat this for all other items in the list" 21:07:30 er rather, "repeat this on a list consisting of the rest of the list" 21:08:27 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kxksugputyqyfiue] has joined #lisp 21:08:34 (do ((I 0 (+ I 2)) I see that and I think, well why doesn't it start at 2, if it runs through the do once with value 0, then how come it doesn't come back on the second iteration as 1 and then add the 2, so that it would count 0, 3, 5, 7, 9 21:09:02 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-mpzopptwwrhxjiul] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09:19 i mean i get it, it's smart enough to know start at 0 and count by 2's, but, in my mind, it's either start at 2, or go through the first iteration as 0, come back for the second iteration as 1, then add 2 21:09:25 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-fcxzjpwenmcuuxyv] has joined #lisp 21:10:11 er 21:10:24 mind is boggled :) 21:11:19 what does (+ I 2) get you 21:12:01 no i get, 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, like I should, it just doesn't work that way in my mind 21:13:57 Eylusion: DO doesn't have any sort of automatic increment in it 21:14:08 Eylusion: it just uses the expression to produce each next value 21:14:10 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 21:18:19 -!- adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.237.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:42 Eylusion: a specific channel was created in order to provide useful informations regarding such introductory Common Lisp topics: #clnoobs 21:20:44 isnt there a hyperspec bot here? 21:20:55 -!- tatsushiko 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SBCL web page used to refer to special version for Windows users. Now I can not see that note. Does it mean they merged it in? 21:24:25 yes 21:26:08 *jackdaniel* hates mind typo with do, like (do ((i (read-char))) whatever) 21:26:14 nug700 [~nug700@71-35-64-103.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:28 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.203.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:28:42 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kxksugputyqyfiue] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:28:45 tatsushiko [~tatsushik@250-81-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined #lisp 21:32:42 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 21:33:05 adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.144.95] has joined #lisp 21:33:11 pjb: so since clx isn't a wrapper for xlib, do you recall which side of the interface would need updating? would clx need to be updated to talk to a more recent version of X, or would that backend need to be upgraded? 21:33:45 -!- nenorbot [~ronen@IGLD-84-228-66-76.inter.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:38:53 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-201-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:39:01 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:39:48 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.167.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:42:34 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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You can't even use it in an "and" construct e.g.: (loop when something do (foo) and return it) 23:49:04 (let (bar) (loop when something do (setf bar (foo)) and return bar))? 23:49:35 (i've never used "it") 23:50:10 what's the point of it if you can return the variable you know that you want 23:50:27 kristof: when "something" is an expression that has side-effects or is expensive to calculate 23:50:33 i'm assuming that jasom's actual loop is rather more complicated 23:50:42 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@59.105.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:50:49 -!- MikeSeth [~me@174.143.244.95] has quit [Changing host] 23:50:49 MikeSeth [~me@unaffiliated/mikeseth] has joined #lisp 23:51:00 oh, you wanted to return the condition value, huh 23:51:39 hrm 23:52:01 what you can do is (car (loop when something collect it into returnme and do (foo) (return returnme))) 23:52:57 <|3b|> (loop with tmp when (setf tmp something) do (foo) and return tmp) ? 23:53:25 yeah that works too 23:54:55 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 23:55:21 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:16 anytime you have a loop that seems complicated, it's probably time to stop trying to shoehorn it all into the loop macro anyhow 23:57:04 the loop macro is pretty readable, though 23:57:08 It's not a particularly complicated loop macro 23:57:10 so if you can put it in there, you sould 23:57:27 It's about as close to literate programming as I've ever seen 23:57:29 Well, e.g. I don't think I've ever seen "end" used in something that wasn't unreadable. 23:57:35 1) Read a line 2) Try to parse the line (will return nil or a parse tree) 3) return the parse tree 23:57:56 The problem is I wanted to add step 2.5) Save the string representation of the line in a history buffer 23:57:59 kristof: how about inform 7. 23:58:41 foom: This is... fascinating... 23:58:46 Oh, I forgot step 4) Read another line, append it to what we've read so far and go to step 2 23:59:09 inform is pretty crazy 23:59:43 Zork was written in a kind-of dialect of Lisp. I didn't know that.