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I'm using slime+clisp. Everytime I try to compile a file with a but, the connection gets "unexpectedy closed" and I can't understand where the bug is. 00:37:13 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@192-177.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:42:18 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:43 -!- oGMo [~rpav@mephle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:06 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 00:45:35 <|3b|> Kromitvs: when that happens, is there any message in the *inferior-lisp* buffer that might suggest why it disconnects? 00:46:27 Like this:*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET 00:46:27 ;; swank:close-connection: NIL 00:46:34 ? 00:46:34 <|3b|> yeah 00:47:42 is it one specific file, or can other files be compiled? 00:49:12 haven't tryied other files. This files compiles well, when it's bug free. When I have some bug, I lose the connection. 00:49:50 oh, "compile a file with a bug" 00:49:53 <|3b|> if any bug causes that, there is something wrong with your setup 00:50:42 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:51:22 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:51:57 -!- harish_ [~harish@175.156.83.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:29 This is my slime configuration options (http://paste.lisp.org/display/140201). Could that be it? 00:55:35 harish [~harish@175.156.83.15] has joined #lisp 00:58:37 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FCE89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:55 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.83.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:01:34 <|3b|> that setup looks a bit odd, not sure if it would cause that problem or not though 01:02:03 <|3b|> if you didn't put that slime there yourself might want to make sure it is a recent version though 01:08:47 -!- stuckie [~stuckie@88.208.208.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:09:01 stuckie [~stuckie@88.208.208.174] has joined #lisp 01:09:20 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 01:13:25 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:13:31 it came from Debian. I will search for information on my config. 01:13:38 Thanks for the help 01:17:09 gmcastil [~user@75-145-122-2-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:27 sirdancealo3 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 01:17:28 <|3b|> linux distros tend to have outdated lisp software, might try installing quicklisp and letting it install/configure slime for you 01:17:38 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@212.27.2.83.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:46 -!- sirdancealo3 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:31 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:42 Natch_m [~Natch@c-63cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:18:43 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 01:18:51 you think it might be a bug in slime? 01:19:05 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 01:19:13 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 01:19:52 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-127-72.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:37 Sgeo_ [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:16 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-63cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:21:16 -!- Natch_m is now known as Natch 01:22:08 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.238.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:00 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:20 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:11 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 01:24:25 <|3b|> not enough information to tell what the problem is 01:25:10 capitaomorte [~capitaomo@66.207.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 01:40:14 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 01:41:08 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:13 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@192.241.139.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:46:35 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:47 -!- wolgo [~jarrod@198.211.101.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:49:41 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFED88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:51:10 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:23 -!- CrazyEddy [~handybook@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52:37 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:51 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:53:02 -!- gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:53:13 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:52 gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has joined #lisp 01:55:32 ok. 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Homegrown utilities for this and that, or larger applications? 03:49:09 I use Stump as my window manager. As for homegrown apps, I have an RSS reader and a media player, around 500 sloc. 03:49:19 Not really large, but they do what I tell them. :) 03:51:51 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:03 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:52:57 samskulls: Can't get the darn thing to compile, to be honest. :P 03:53:56 kristof: Stump? That's a shame. Maybe your Linux distro has it in its repositories? 03:54:52 samskulls: Only a user contributed package, which consists of pulling the source from git and compiling. 03:55:57 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 03:56:00 kristof: that's surprising. Do you experience these errors using SBCL? 03:56:10 samskulls: I do. 03:56:21 there was a problem a while back with stumpwm not being in asdf, dunno if it's been fixed 03:56:27 samskulls: It's just a simple asdf error 03:56:44 yeah, i can walk you through fixing that if you want 03:56:46 samskulls: Come to think of it, I think it's as simple as the stumpwm package not being defined. 03:56:55 the system, not the package 03:56:57 I see 03:57:20 you just have to configure asdf to know where stumpwm is. 03:57:20 Bike: Hrm. Someone should submit a patch, I know sabetts doesn't actively develop stump anymore but he's on the mailing list and fixes bugs 03:57:55 He's also active on github. Somebody could push there, I think. 03:58:06 i dunno how i'd fix it on stump's side. it's part of asdf configuration. 03:58:20 guess i could just throw a push to central registry in there to make a mockery of everything 03:58:31 Bike: Sounds like an ugly hack 03:58:37 Bike: Anyway, if you're around tomorrow... 03:58:41 Bike: Screw it, let's do it right now! 03:59:30 How does stump work with multiple monitors? 03:59:54 kristof: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/Controlling-where-ASDF-searches-for-systems.html#Controlling-where-ASDF-searches-for-systems basically you just need to throw the dir that stump is in into your config 04:01:00 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:01:40 i'll see if i can do a pull request, here. 04:02:23 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 04:02:54 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:54 ok, cool, i tried calling asdf:initialize-source-registry and got an error about not being able to display the error 04:10:07 the most helpful errors 04:14:37 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl_] 04:17:38 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.126.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:18:21 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.126.255] has joined #lisp 04:20:25 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:22:35 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:22:45 sigjuice [~sigjuice@192.241.139.168] has joined #lisp 04:23:10 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:27:00 lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 04:27:07 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:33:21 it can't possibly be this fucking ridiculous just to add a search path to asdf. does anybody know their way around asdf3? 04:44:35 Bike: I threw the source code in /usr/share/common-lisp/source and I linked the .asd to /usr/share/common-lisp/systems/stumpwm.asd 04:44:52 Bike: and then I... uh... compiled in my user directory again. *shrugs* this is magic to me. 04:45:05 Did it work for you? 04:45:14 It won't finish compiling, unfortunately 04:45:20 Won't finish? 04:45:25 writing 63438848 bytes from the dynamic space at 0x0x1000000000 04:45:27 done] 04:45:35 Despite the "done", it's certainly not exiting the compile process. 04:46:24 uhhhh maybe it's stuck on docs or something. quit and see if a stumpwm image was made. 04:46:33 It was stuck on a doc 04:46:48 so you got an image out, at least? 04:46:49 Bike: I was using a PKGBUILD written for Arch. Ran make by itself, finished just fine. 04:46:50 *shrug* 04:47:05 maybe you should drop by #stumpwm to listen to me complain about asdf and the build process 04:47:23 Bike: I got an executable stumpwm, yes 04:47:26 or not, if you don't want to 04:55:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:56:39 -!- antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:57:07 -!- zulu_inuoe_ [~quassel@71.47.78.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:09 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:04:15 kaydarla [~user@27.57.10.217] has joined #lisp 05:06:27 fantasticsid [~user@216.240.135.168] has joined #lisp 05:07:19 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:54 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 05:09:33 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:09:39 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:53 -!- shifty [~user@114-198-34-143.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:16 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 05:14:34 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 05:15:53 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:15:57 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:34 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:20:52 |JRG|` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-128-147.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 05:20:52 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-128-147.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:42 bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has joined #lisp 05:29:05 -!- kaydarla [~user@27.57.10.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:29:18 -!- |JRG|` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-128-147.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:30:15 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 05:30:49 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:31:31 alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:32:00 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:34:56 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:35:19 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.220.98] has quit [Quit: ...] 05:35:48 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:37:40 ggole [~ggole@106-69-28-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:37:48 kristof_ [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 05:38:31 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:38:35 -!- kristof_ is now known as kristof 05:40:56 Bike: You still around? 05:41:01 yup 05:41:31 I actually bothered to try starting stumpwm and I'm not getting the results I think I should be getting 05:42:14 continue? 05:42:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:44 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.126.255] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 05:43:29 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 05:43:39 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 05:44:14 Bike: Nothing starts, teletype disappears except for a blinking cursor 05:44:29 well that sounds wrong, yep. 05:44:39 but i have no idea how to configure arch for stump. 05:44:46 Bike: And by cursor I mean the block that delineates where you are in a command line 05:45:12 Bike: I should probably try this with agetty, instead. 05:45:40 yeah, might help. if you'll get an error you'll get an error 05:45:59 Bike: Well, systemd doesn't log any errors and there's nothing in the xorg log 05:49:32 kristof: did it compile successfully? 05:50:43 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:51:43 -!- aptenodyte [~user@paetec27-232.hampshire.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:52:10 alezost: Huh? Stump? Yes, it did. 05:52:17 alezost: ... At least, I'm pretty sure it did. 05:52:38 I took the executable and threw it in /usr/bin 05:52:54 kristof: i'm sorry, i think i missed a part of your conversation; how do you start it? 05:53:05 alezost: with startx 05:53:19 alezost: .xinitrc has "exec /usr/bin/stumpwm" 05:54:05 kristof: try startx xterm and run stumpwm from xterm to see what will happen 05:54:19 i think we should move to #stumpwm 05:55:10 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-52.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:57:27 lc0dd0cl2 [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 05:58:28 alezost: I'm already there! 05:59:39 Oh! I'm getting errors when I run /usr/bin/stumpwm directly from the command line 05:59:47 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:00:07 Wait, that's supposed to happen. 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That's the route I used before 10:40:41 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has quit [Client Quit] 10:40:50 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:58 s/meantions/mentions/ 10:41:24 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Client Quit] 10:41:49 if you want to avoid writing :format-control and :format-arguments, then you need a function, yes 10:42:10 thanks 10:42:20 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 10:42:29 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 10:42:39 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:42:40 I had the impression that perhaps there might have been some portable way to change the defaulted-type in another way (that specified at http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/09_aba.htm) 10:43:08 and was further confused by the notes about FORMAT accepting a function heh 10:44:32 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined 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12:41:46 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:42:37 maybe someone should ban fish2 until he fixes his client 12:43:05 Hello! How can I check length of list using #'format? 12:43:17 for now I have: (format t "~{~a~^,~} ~[~;is~:;are~]" list (length list)) but I'd like to get ride of (length list) 12:43:21 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 12:43:30 s/ride/rid/ 12:43:33 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:43:45 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-228-61-213.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:01 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o fe[nl]ix 12:45:31 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 12:45:42 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:46:12 -!- fe[nl]ix has set mode +b *!~srd@31.13.128.158 12:46:16 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-228-61-213.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:50:45 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 12:52:52 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:53:09 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-228-61-213.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:53:49 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-228-238-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined 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ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 13:23:21 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-228-238-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:23:51 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:40 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:54 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@195.254.169.71] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:33:44 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.167.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:34:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:34:30 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:35:32 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@s529cc1dc.adsl.online.nl] has joined #lisp 13:35:32 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@s529cc1dc.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Changing host] 13:35:32 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has joined #lisp 13:35:41 mrSpec: How do you like (let ((list (list 1 2 3))) (format t "~{~a~^,~} ~:*~1{~*~#[is~:;are~]~}" list)) 13:36:23 -!- n1x 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ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51:09 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@s529cc1dc.adsl.online.nl] has joined #lisp 13:51:09 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@s529cc1dc.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Changing host] 13:51:09 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has joined #lisp 13:53:23 mrSpec: found this solution, but it's worse than chr's: (apply #'format (append (list t "~@{~a~^, ~} ~@*~#[~;is~:;are~]") list) 13:53:49 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@254-85.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:56:16 ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 13:57:09 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:57:22 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has quit [Quit: pinupgeek] 14:00:27 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan245112.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:08 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the 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Makes lisp look like a read-only language. 14:44:25 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:44:25 hehe, I'll think about it ;-) 14:44:49 matko [~matko@ip82-139-127-72.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:45:15 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@254-85.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 14:45:16 sfa [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has joined #lisp 14:46:25 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:52 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:49:02 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:50:13 mrSpec: when you get a sufficiently complex format string, it's usually better to just use with-output-to-string, both for reading the code and writing it 14:52:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:53:30 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:53:34 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 14:54:38 dlowe: I agree, this is mostly for fun. 14:54:59 oGMo [~rpav@mephle.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:00 segv- [~mb@95-91-240-218-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:56:25 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 14:56:44 dlowe: no, the criteria to write a format control string vs. code, is not the complexity, it's the parameterization. 14:56:55 eg. format control strings can be localized. 14:59:12 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 15:01:00 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has joined #lisp 15:01:48 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:01:56 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 15:02:01 zkc [~zhangkaiz@27.47.14.58] has joined #lisp 15:02:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:02:29 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:03:51 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-dcssxqrtvkbhkell] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:29 pinupgeek_ [~pinupgeek@5357918A.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 15:04:29 -!- pinupgeek_ [~pinupgeek@5357918A.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 15:04:29 pinupgeek_ [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has joined #lisp 15:05:09 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:07:12 kaydarla [~user@223.228.70.39] has joined #lisp 15:07:33 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kcyrkfhgbogktypu] has joined #lisp 15:08:26 That's only important if you have a localization requirement. Most software projects don't. 15:08:48 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:13 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:13:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:28 that'd be an interesting library, though - define a format control structure (not string) that can be easily localized 15:13:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.242.95] has joined #lisp 15:13:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.242.95] has quit [Changing host] 15:13:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:14:58 PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has joined #lisp 15:15:12 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 15:15:34 dlowe: it's good to hear that I'm not the only one interested in such thing. 15:15:46 something like (formatter '(seq (list :1 :term ",") " " (choice :2 "is" "are")) my-list (length my-list)) 15:16:06 *dlowe* likes the :1, :2 from the plambda library 15:17:05 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:17:17 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 15:17:26 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:30 -!- loke__` [~user@bb115-66-249-26.singnet.com.sg] has left #lisp 15:18:33 loke__` [~user@bb115-66-249-26.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:18:41 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:18:54 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:04 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 15:21:35 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@94.159.242.212] has joined #lisp 15:25:47 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:26:01 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 15:26:35 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 15:26:42 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:00 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:29:56 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 15:30:25 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:28 cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has joined #lisp 15:33:11 THere's the OUT library that does that. Indeed, the localizer can edit a sexp file as easily as a string file. 15:35:46 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:35:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:35:58 strobegen1 [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has joined #lisp 15:36:13 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 15:36:21 -!- strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:37:35 the OUT library is not parameterized 15:37:37 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:40 abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 15:38:04 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has joined #lisp 15:39:27 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan245112.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:37 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:55 is there a lib to embed a set of static files (html, css, js) within a lisp image, when compiling with cl-buildapp for example? 15:40:16 jackdaniel [~jack@hellsgate.pl] has joined #lisp 15:40:21 o/ 15:40:32 I guess it would look like a lisp in-memory file system of sorts, loaded at compile time 15:40:45 well built at compile time, loaded at compile and load time maybe 15:40:59 well, I would enjoy not writing it ;-) 15:41:35 -!- mathrick__ is now known as mathrick 15:42:26 How do lisps tend to implement 'quote'? As a macro that expands to itself and then a function with the same name that will strip off the 'quote'? 15:42:57 Derived type: (FUNCTION (&REST T) NIL) 15:43:05 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 15:43:12 that's from SBCL, using (describe #'quote) 15:44:05 charlie [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-112.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:05 -!- charlie is now known as cmack 15:44:06 sbcl tells me it's a special operator 15:44:31 Ah I see. 15:44:44 You explicitly described the function version. 15:44:45 Cool. 15:44:50 dim: I started working on a VFS a few years ago. Didn't have the time to complete it. It would have had the same API as the pathname, file and stream chapters of CLHS> 15:45:29 dim: but you can just put strings or byte vectors in a hash-table. 15:46:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:57 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:47:19 (defparameter *fs* (let ((fs (make-hash-table))) (dolist (file (append (directory "/srv/www/htdocs/*.html") (directory "/srv/www/htdocs/*.css") (directory "/srv/www/htdocs/*.js"))) (setf (gethash (file-namestring file) fs) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:text-file-contents file))) fs)) 15:47:38 You don't need no stinking complex library. 15:48:15 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:43 ideally I'd like hunchentoot to be able to use those files 15:49:06 well I'm using (hunchentoot:create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler prefix path) 15:49:26 I guess I could write another handler that knows how to use any data structure I'm interested into 15:49:43 it should be trivial to write a (create-hashtable-dispatcher-and-handler prefix path) function. 15:49:47 Yes. 15:49:54 now that we're there I'm wondering about it really 15:50:13 it might be very useful to be able to change the html/css/js while keeping the same binary running 15:50:29 Of course. Hence a hash-table that can be easily modified. 15:50:46 I mean not modified by the lisp hacker 15:51:38 so maybe I want to have both the data structure and the option to use the file system at run-time, with a --static-path argument 15:52:17 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:54:09 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-181-250.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:08 -!- Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:03 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:39 hitecnologys: what should i use instead of append? cons? 16:02:52 -!- CrazyEddy [~Cheremiss@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:55 -!- abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:09 eMBee: nothing. 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16:33:44 i think zeta lisp or some older lisp had one? 16:34:14 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:25 i am asking specifically if Common Lisp has such a built in function...and if it is standard 16:34:45 -!- |JRG| [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:28 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:35:36 protist: alexandria:ensure-list 16:35:45 protist: thank you :) 16:36:03 protist: it doesn't, but its generaly called ensure-list, as in: com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:ensure-list swank::ensure-list etc. 16:36:08 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:11 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-180-166.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:36:22 ogamita: so it isn't standard? 16:36:26 ogamita: should i avoid it? 16:37:04 ogamita: it appears Clisp doesn't have it 16:38:07 I authored and use com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:ensure-list. 16:38:22 As a matter of principle, I wouldn't really want something to treat an atom and a list in the same manner. 16:38:29 (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp) (use-package :com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list) (ensure-list 42) 16:38:40 list designators. 16:38:50 dlowe: I would 16:38:54 it's often handy 16:39:05 dlowe: i'm playing with implementing some of APL's higher order functions....some of which seem to assume a bit of generality 16:39:09 dlowe: especially in macros 16:39:10 designators are handy. 16:39:30 dlowe: or, say, nil :p 16:39:44 yeah, I can see it in macros 16:40:16 for runtime data I agree that it's not useful 16:40:50 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 16:41:23 hitecnologys: yes, you are right, chr's solution is much better. however, i get an error trying to use apply with more than one list argument 16:41:32 does Common Lisp have an operator that given a function and a number, creates a function that applies the given function number amount of times? 16:42:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:34 APL does, and i just implemented it....but i wonder if there is a standard function for that? 16:44:12 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@94.159.242.212] has joined #lisp 16:44:40 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@94.159.242.212] has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:16 nope 16:45:40 askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 16:46:07 Bike: cool...so i didn't waste my time :P 16:46:32 Bike: i wrote one with log(n) complexity....if you are interested 16:47:02 you iterate a function n times with only log(n) complexity? 16:47:14 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 16:47:32 Bike: no i create the compositional function with log(n) efficiency 16:47:51 Bike: because functional composition is associative, that much can be done 16:48:27 oh, so like if n is a power of two you compose half of it with itself, and so on. 16:48:50 Bike: yeah....gotta check for odd values of n and handle that 16:49:01 Bike: but exactly :) 16:49:13 you could do something pointlessly complex with addition chains to lower it more 16:49:31 Bike: explain....sounds interesting 16:49:54 well, you can use basically the same techniques as for speeding up numerical exponentiation, right 16:49:59 Bike: i mean i could do it with a log of a different base 16:50:06 so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition-chain_exponentiation 16:50:45 Bike: ah i have done that in my cryptography course, i think :) 16:50:53 Bike: didn't see that application haha 16:51:21 it's not like you usually need to worry too much about the speed of constructing the composition, just the comosition itself 16:51:45 Bike: true....but i want to make these functions as usable as possible if i am going to use them 16:52:52 probably binary exponentiation is fine enough for any real application... which is pretty much the case for numerical exponentiation too 16:53:21 Bike: (defun fib (n) (car (apply (mypow (lambda (x) `(,(cadr x) ,(reduce #'+ x))) n) '(1 1)))) 16:53:37 for that image file-system idea, I might actually store streams so that usual stream functions still work 16:53:46 such as file-length e.g. 16:53:58 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@94.159.242.212] has joined #lisp 16:54:35 Bike: by apply i meant funcall 16:54:39 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:52 -!- zeebrah [~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:18 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:55:38 Bike: i will probably rewrite the function to use addition chain exponentiation later 16:55:43 Bike: that was a good idea 16:55:45 protist: now rewrite it as matrix exponentiation? ;) 16:56:24 Bike: can you link me to that? 16:56:29 eMBee: (apply #'list '(1 2 3) '(1 2 3)) => ((1 2 3) 1 2 3). 16:56:44 link you to what 16:56:55 Bike: matrix exponentiation 16:57:25 oh, well, your function is multiplying a 2x2 matrix by a vector, do you see that? 16:58:38 Bike: ah i see what you mean 16:58:40 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:58:53 Bike: represent the transformation as a matrix...then apply it n times 16:58:57 yeah 16:59:04 Bike: cool thought :) 16:59:05 and applying a matrix n times is exponentiating it by n. 16:59:21 Bike: in APL you can define matrix multiplication in 3 characters haha 16:59:23 since A*(B*x) = (A*B)*x 16:59:37 well that's the sort of thing APL was designed for. 16:59:44 matrices, and also incomprehensibility 17:00:00 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:05 Bike: i'm playing with bringing bits of that to my lisp programming 17:00:09 Bike: hehe 17:00:25 yeah, common lisp lacks a lot of functional operations that are nice 17:01:37 hitecnologys: (defun transpose (l) (apply #'mapcar `(list ,@l))) 17:02:18 you can just do (apply #'mapcar #'list l) 17:02:41 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:47 Bike: ah lol 17:02:51 -!- kaydarla [~user@223.228.70.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:57 Bike: good point 17:03:30 <|3b|> and list* or cons would probably be clearer way to add something to beginning of a list if you did need to do that 17:04:02 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:09 setmeaway [oosool3@118.45.149.241] has joined #lisp 17:04:49 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:05:08 hollyfu [~yaaic@p4FFEE58B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:30 -!- LoicLisp [~loic@96.24.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:00 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:08 Bike: it is also kind of cool that the unicode works fine in my Common Lisp...so i can define APL functions with their original symbols 17:06:12 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 17:07:32 -!- hollyfu [~yaaic@p4FFEE58B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 17:07:44 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-169-181-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:16 i read a book once that defined a lisp-like language where all the identifiers were single characters from the APL set. I still have nightmares. 17:08:44 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-fuqpwjbiibmdkhhw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:45 With parentheses? 17:09:00 at first i read that as "defined a lisp-like language [as being one] where ..." 17:09:08 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:24 -!- pinupgeek_ [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has quit [Quit: pinupgeek_] 17:09:33 ogamita: don't remember off the top of my head, but it was consy and all 17:09:36 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09:38 kad=d kad=a 17:09:56 Bike: what book was that!?!?! 17:10:06 Bike: sounds like the sort of code porn i would read 17:10:09 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:10:09 sounds interesting heh 17:10:26 *sellout-* uses Unicode in source files, so he cant really make fun. 17:10:29 a book on compiling programs into diophantine equations, by chaitin 17:10:36 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:10:44 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 17:10:54 -!- zkc [~zhangkaiz@27.47.14.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11:16 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@94.159.242.212] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewi-1] 17:11:19 Bike: i MUST read this 17:12:25 i don't remember the title, but there can't be many books with that description 17:12:59 sellout-: i don't think it's necessarily bad .. input is the big thing, and a standardized character set goes a long way toward the rest of the problem 17:13:19 Bike: i don't see it on amazon...hmmm 17:13:28 well, it was a monograph 17:13:46 oGMo: there's not a standard way to specify that input should be in a particular encoding though 17:14:07 Bike: still not having luck on google 17:15:25 ok, i'll try and find it, but don't hold your breath. 17:15:42 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 17:15:55 Bike: alright :)....i found an article where he mentions this weird lisp...but not the language itself yet 17:16:12 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:09 it was just something he made up as the language to compile into diophantine equations, it's not like it was general use 17:17:27 Bike: still very interested 17:17:36 ah, got it. "Algorithmic Information Theory" 17:17:53 Bike: what math background do i need to handle it? 17:17:56 it should be this http://www.amazon.com/Algorithmic-Information-Cambridge-Theoretical-Computer/dp/0521616042/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385399862&sr=8-1&keywords=Gregory+Chaitin+Algorithmic+Information+Theory 17:18:04 ah, you already found it 17:18:17 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 17:18:24 I found this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/cup.pdf 17:18:25 Bike: Blkt: thank you both :) 17:18:38 protist: some basic halting problem stuff and knowing what matiyasevich's theorem is, probably 17:19:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:19:22 reading http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Matiyasevich_theorem is probably enough 17:19:30 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:20:10 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 17:20:25 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:25 -!- CrazyEddy [~dittied@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:21:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:33 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:21:49 Bike: thank you 17:22:06 Bike: this should all be interesting reading....once i get through more of what i have :P 17:22:08 chaitin has a very... informal style 17:22:20 too informal some times 17:22:25 yes 17:24:07 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:26:01 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:27:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:27:49 Out of curiousity, how do you prounounce his name? I've only ever read it. 17:27:53 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 17:28:06 i have no idea for the same reason. 17:28:22 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:31:07 jasom: whose name ? 17:31:11 Chaitin's 17:32:00 wikipedia has its pronunciation wrote down 17:32:07 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 17:32:22 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:26 thanks 17:32:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Chaitin 17:32:51 STilda [~kvirc@188.162.167.55] has joined #lisp 17:33:01 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:36:57 -!- Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has quit [Quit: Yanez] 17:37:13 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 17:40:18 hs366 [~hs366@94.254.45.76] has joined #lisp 17:41:35 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.61.164] 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(IRC client for Emacs)] 18:45:51 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 18:47:27 askatasuna [~askatasun@host165.190-138-54.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:50:21 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:50:35 Okay, so I've added basic lisp evaluation to my shell implementation, allowing something like this % echo $[(format nil "hi")] 18:52:03 the question is, what's the best way to have information from the shell into the lisp expression; I'm thinking of a reader macro that will evaluate something in the current shell environment 18:53:04 -!- CrazyEddy [~afunction@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53:24 wedgeV [~wedge@static-96-239-100-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:18 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:13 Is ` a special character for your shell? 18:58:09 pjb: sort-of 18:58:21 pjb: it is when not quoted or in a lisp expansion 18:58:23 In any case, #\, could be the character to use: % echo `(format nil "~S" ,LC_ALL) or % echo #[(format nil "~S" ,LC_ALL)] 18:58:24 just like sh 18:58:39 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-240-218-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:58:52 I picked $[ to quote into lisp since it's not used by anything in POSIX 18:59:04 the question is a good idea to quote *out* of lisp 18:59:11 , 18:59:13 oh, a comma outside of a backquote 18:59:18 Yes. 18:59:40 how doable is that with the lisp reader? Can I just override the , in the readtable and still have quasiquotation work? 19:00:13 dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:16 I think you would have to overload ` too, since the implementation ` may interpret , in its own way. 19:00:40 If you want to write echo $[(let ((x 42)) `(,x ,x ,,LC_ALL))] 19:01:07 segv- [~mb@95-91-240-218-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:01:12 notNicolas_w [~notNicola@159.153.138.98] has joined #lisp 19:01:23 I mean, the implementation can read , and ,@ without using reader macros AFAIK. 19:01:48 hmm maybe #! 19:02:04 Hi. I'm a senior student who is mostly familiar with C++, Lua, and I read Learn You a Haskell 19:02:09 where should I begin with LISP? 19:02:17 minion: tell notNicolas_w about pcl 19:02:17 notNicolas_w: please see pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 19:02:20 senior student as in 3-4th year 19:03:01 Do I want to learn Common Lisp or Scheme? 19:03:11 Well, there's 2.4.6, so it is hinted that comma be a reader macro, but I wouln't exclude implementations where it's not the case. 19:03:35 notNicolas_w: Common Lisp. 19:03:58 notNicolas_w: eventually, you'll learn some scheme and some emacs lisp too, but CL is best to start and to develop serious programs. 19:04:19 notNicolas_w: for LISP you'd have to being in 1959 ;-) 19:04:32 notNicolas_w: this channel is full of CL people, so you will probably be recommended Common Lisp in here. If you want to be recommended scheme, you can ask in #scheme. The two langauges are about as alike as C++ and Java (i.e. they look nearly identical to someone who doesn't know them, but are very different to someone who knows either) 19:04:32 is there a different use case between CL and Scheme? 19:04:55 I'm mostly interested in game development so maybe that helps narrow it down? 19:05:11 more game dev happening in common lisp I would suspect 19:05:14 CL is used more in applications. scheme is used more embedded in strange environment (kernel module, java library, javascript web page, etc). 19:05:27 there's #lispgames 19:05:40 I think I would be most likely to embedd a lisp runtime inside a game as a scripting language 19:05:55 schemers spend their time defining standards. They're finalizing r7rs big now 19:05:56 than go for scheme 19:06:00 CLers just write programs 19:06:09 then* 19:06:12 CLers did a standard once 19:06:36 Yes, and that's enough. 19:07:07 I'll ask around in #scheme then lol 19:07:21 notNicolas_w: there are both embeddable schemes and lisps, but a lot of embedded lisp-like languages are not really either 19:07:26 notNicolas_w: anyways, the point of lisp is that of being a #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language, so you don't need a new standard to make it evolve. 19:07:38 Just write a macro or hack an implementation (to define a superset of CL). 19:07:42 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@static-96-239-100-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 19:07:48 notNicolas_w: you can check out ecl as well (lisp compiles to C code, can be embedded in C programs very easily) 19:08:13 eg. sbcl provides user defined subtypes of sequence. That's an extension. sbcl is a superset of CL. 19:08:40 ok well I'm mostly interested in finding a good book on the topic right now. 19:08:56 jasom: can be embedded, but very easily is true only for very low values for easily 19:09:16 far easier is to embed c in lisp ,p 19:09:24 notNicolas_w: PCL, and Casting Spels in Lisp Conrad Barski, M.D. http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html 19:09:41 why is an MD important in this context 19:10:42 To convince other MD and PhD biology that Lisp is better than Python to do their stuff. 19:11:04 we're still using matlab over here, man :/ 19:11:49 hey whatever works works 19:12:19 sometimes worse is better 19:12:21 notNicolas_w: then stick with asm ;-] 19:15:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:15:27 I read a bit about lisp this morning from a textbook I stole off my dad's bookshelf 19:15:39 the way that data can be represented as code reminded me of Lua 19:17:07 like here http://www.lua.org/pil/12.html 19:17:51 lua has a reader? i don't recall that 19:18:37 notNicolas_w: it's a lot more advanced than that in lisp, but you'll have to take my word for it until you get further into learning it. 19:19:08 I trust you on that 19:19:09 yeah it's not really the same, per se, but analogies may help at first .. just don't let them hinder later! 19:19:52 that would be a really neat modification to lua, honestly 19:20:35 that PIL page I linked blew my mind because of how easily it solves some of my most complicated problems 19:20:41 Connected. Take this REPL, brother, and may it serve you well. 19:20:46 so hopefully there's more of that coming from lisp! 19:21:53 heh, i convinced my uni mates to blend lisp and c for our engineer diploma :) we'll see how it'll work 19:22:17 if they don't know lisp, I hope you have a lot of coffee for your all-nighters 19:22:47 notNicolas_w: we'll, most of glue is done tbh 19:22:58 they export their modules to shared objects 19:23:11 and i call it from inside lisp 19:24:35 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 19:26:26 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:26:48 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:32 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:27:57 -!- fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:31:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 19:31:50 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:38 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:32:41 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:32:41 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING 19:32:41 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING 19:32:41 YOU MAYWATCHED 19:32:41 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:32:41 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:32:51 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:32:58 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:32:59 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING 19:32:59 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING 19:32:59 YOU MAYWATCHED 19:32:59 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:32:59 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:33:02 wtf... 19:33:09 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:33:13 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:33:13 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING 19:33:13 WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING 19:33:13 YOU MAYWATCHED 19:33:13 YOU MAY BE WATCHED 19:33:13 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:33:23 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:33:31 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:33:41 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:33:49 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:33:53 fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 19:33:56 fe[nl]ix, wake up 19:34:00 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:34:05 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:34:09 or somebody with admin priv 19:34:15 sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~esucg0aq4@197.195.158.37] has joined #lisp 19:34:29 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 19:34:34 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*esucg0aq4@197.195.158.* 19:34:34 -!- sdvhbhszo8yhwtu [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (sdvhbhszo8yhwtu) 19:34:39 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 19:34:47 thanks 19:34:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:03 seems a wide scale bot 19:35:06 well, he has warned us 19:35:34 I didn't notice him in beginning because I've seen exactly the same message on 2600, and getting bullshit bot on #vms@2600 is everyday occurence 19:35:43 p_I you mean other channels, or outside freenode? I don't see it on the other channels I'm on. 19:35:49 LiamH: on 2600.net 19:35:57 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:57 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:37:07 fuuuck 19:37:20 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain$##stop_join_flood *!~zxeuNHJgh@189.72.179.* pr0x1mity!*@* *!*abner@*.static.ziggozakelijk.nl 19:37:23 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!~AndChat@wsip-24-248-228-32.ks.ks.cox.net *!*Arlington@75.39.140.* *!*Inc0gnito@*.sd.sd.cox.net *!*g@*.lsanca.fios.verizon.net 19:37:26 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!1334259@xs8.xs4all.nl *!~john@4.203.34.95.customer.cdi.no *!*Dilberto@*.sd.sd.cox.net *!*n1gg3rs@*.171.0.192.dsl.dyn.telnor.net 19:37:29 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!*user@*.static.t-2.net *!*chilubrin@*.50.5646.static.theplanet.com *!*@burnje.ws Joreji*!~thomas@u-0-015.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE 19:37:32 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!*john@*.157.202.84.customer.cdi.no *!*sardariya@92.50.59.* *!*6c1b751e@*.108.27.117.30 *!*d8058d02@*.216.5.141.2 19:37:35 -!- p_l has set mode -bbbb *!*c9a0f3ab@*.201.160.243.171 *!~cryptopsy@unaffiliated/aborticide *!~astePC@unaffiliated/aste *!47bd073a@gateway/web/freenode/* 19:37:37 wtf? 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19:46:16 -!- xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:28 jackdaniel: had a bit of problems sleeping for few weeks recently, fortunately got back in shape again 19:47:20 now for the first time in few weeks I am not overdue anything... well, nearly anything 19:47:30 that reminds me that I need to renew a library loan, brb 19:47:55 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@x1-6-00-21-9b-e8-d0-5a.k663.webspeed.dk] has joined #lisp 19:48:01 i wish i could say the same 19:49:10 Well, I wouldn't wish some of the issues that are left on anyone ;) 19:50:19 xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has joined #lisp 19:50:25 heh, speaking of, need to get back to 'catching up' ^_^ later 19:50:31 cya 19:54:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:24 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 19:57:33 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 19:58:43 urandom__ [~user@ip-84-119-222-218.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:40 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 20:00:44 is there a in-memory stream implementation providing file-length and file-position? 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I worked on vfs a few years ago, but had no time to complete it. I could accept money to resume working on it in 3 months. 20:27:02 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@x1-6-00-21-9b-e8-d0-5a.k663.webspeed.dk] has joined #lisp 20:27:27 well, thing is that I solved that part already 20:27:31 dim: http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=tree&p=public/vfs&h=ed2abc7571857d5cce563c37df28fc3c54965d20&hb=13c55fdfba97a9f367215c07bdccad83104f8e03 20:27:42 dim: Good :-) 20:28:07 I have like 150 lines of code to do what I needed here 20:28:25 it's only about a single use case, static files for hunchentoot 20:28:31 Of course, with strings in a hash-table, you just need a counter to know the current position. 20:28:35 it's not the generic kitchen sink cfs 20:28:38 vfs, even 20:28:56 well each time I need to access the file again it's from the start 20:29:01 http, no session, etc 20:29:36 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 20:30:03 Actually, there's another way than what I did with vfs: use gray streams. 20:30:37 Basically you only have a couple of methods to define (and it would be simple if the data is already in memory) to provice a in-memory file-stream. 20:30:49 s/vice/vide/ 20:31:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-52.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:42 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@5.144.63.25] has joined #lisp 20:31:45 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:42 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 20:35:33 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 20:41:54 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@74.123.202.211] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 20:42:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:45:43 well I would have to maintain the position in between calls then 20:45:58 whereas now, using flexi-streams:with-input-from-sequence, I don't 20:46:05 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 20:46:09 I pay it with heavier processing than necessary of course 20:46:22 but well, it's not the code path to optimize here 20:47:03 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:24 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:48:06 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:51:15 Try gray-streams. 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CL is /strongly/ preferred, but I'd take whatever... 21:45:27 SanderM [~quassel@541FDBB7.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 21:45:33 download: do they take *anything* normal? 21:45:43 download: what's the constraint? what's the CPU architecture? Phi? 21:45:48 the only reliable API I heard of is OpenCL 21:45:59 yep 21:46:21 I know you /can/ compile simple codes with the Intel compilers to run on them. 21:46:26 download: does it support JVM or C? 21:46:30 I made "hello world" from C go. 21:46:43 download: you can do similarly with CUDA, so it doesn't say much 21:46:49 p_nathan1: yes, as long as you can use icc instead of gcc 21:47:20 This is my first experience with the board, so I don't know much about it yet... 21:47:21 :( 21:47:28 download: Have you tried using SBCL? 21:47:30 I would also look hard at ECL. 21:47:42 The Phi cannot run X86 binaries 21:47:56 p_nathan1: SBCL would require a complete OS port, at the very least 21:48:09 You can generate them with something like "icc -mmic foo.c" 21:48:27 Yeah, I think SBCL is a no-go (in my mind) for now at least 21:48:30 p_l: I've never heard of the Phi before, so just trying to put ideas out to see what the constraints are 21:48:40 i wish we had the sbcl-llvm backend 21:48:43 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-qhjslfjhlqcwhyam] has joined #lisp 21:48:46 -!- Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has quit [Quit: Yanez] 21:49:26 btw it sounds like a schnazzy system to use. Makes me think of the Connection Machine system style architecture 21:49:36 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 21:49:38 how to have a CL program sit there and do nothing until it receives a termination signal (SIGQUIT would do, SIGTERM too of course) 21:49:45 p_nathan1: think of it as a Xeon mutated into a GPU-like thing 21:50:07 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@74.123.202.211] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 21:50:07 yea, I've gotten the Intel marketingspeak page up 21:50:32 p_nathan1: and I'd be wary of calling it similar to CM... it seems to be mostly a DSP-like approach 21:51:11 dim: (loop while t do (sleep 100000000)) 21:51:27 yeah I though about that one 21:51:34 well might as well be the simplest 21:51:44 p_nathan1: it *does* seem a lot like a CM! 21:52:18 I'd *love* to see a *LISP port! :) 21:52:50 p_nathan1: I was wondering if sleep would mask the signals, no reason it would actually 21:52:51 A former TM employee sits upstairs from me 21:53:14 unfortunately, she did Fortran on the CM5 and 0 lisp 21:53:46 dim: what you really want is to have the OS put the process into a sleep state. I don't offhand know of any direct way of doing that short of reading manuals. 21:54:19 yeah, sleep for a day at a time will do 21:54:49 wedgeV [~wedge@74.123.202.211] has joined #lisp 21:55:30 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:30 -!- syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:55:30 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 21:58:57 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 21:59:36 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 21:59:59 heh, it is actually impossible to implement a POSIX shell if you follow the specification precisely. Alias substitution needs to happen after a token is parsed, but before grammatical rules are applied, but it should only be applied if the grammatical rules determine that it is the first word in a simple command. That's a circular dependency 22:00:05 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:01:48 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.10.196] has joined #lisp 22:03:41 -!- jsucsy1 [~jsucsy@4.71.190.130] has left #lisp 22:03:50 *LISP was essentially machine language with s-expression syntax. It was nothing like what most would consider a real Lisp. 22:04:45 probably they are thinking of the CMlisp thing with alpha and beta and all that 22:05:13 ASau` [~user@p54AFFD35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:05:45 I thought *Lisp was the one with the alpha, beta and dot? 22:05:57 at least that's what the "Getting started in *lisp" manual said 22:06:03 i for one have no idea. 22:06:39 I'd have to rummage through my copy of Hillis' book - but I recall that it had some nice vector capabilities built in and mapping onto the CM hardware 22:06:41 -!- TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:06:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:05 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.110.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:07:46 ( www.amazon.com/Connection-Machine-Series-Artificial-Intelligence/dp/0262081571/ ) 22:08:00 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFED88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:12 do someone here know offhand if hunchentoot:define-easy-handler can be used from within a defun? it's a macro that will do a defun itself... 22:08:29 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has joined #lisp 22:11:23 You can call defun inside defun. 22:11:30 Not advisable in general, but possible. 22:11:58 ok 22:12:12 here actually the macro returns a form that evaluates to a defun 22:12:56 of course it means the function will only be defined when you call the function with defun in the body 22:13:49 I think that's ok 22:14:35 LiamH: I know that *LISP wasn't quite a normal lisp, but from what I've read about it, it wasn't quite machine code :) 22:14:54 yeah when I inspect hunchentoot::*easy-handler-alist* it seems to contain what I did expect 22:15:05 still the URLs are not mapped to the dynamic pages... 22:15:35 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 22:16:23 I think I found why 22:16:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-135-164.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:28 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:17:45 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@187.208.193.240] has joined #lisp 22:18:44 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 22:18:54 download: Maybe not, but in comparison to the Lisp machine, it seemed so to me at the time. 22:19:29 yeah ;-) 22:19:49 LiamH: Understood! :) 22:20:28 Fortunately, I had a colleague who did almost all of the *LISP programming for me and was very good. 22:20:31 LiamH: For one thing, it was parallel which made it weird for most people to program in the first place. 22:20:53 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:21:02 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:05 Yes, SIMD parallel. But it's come back, in the form of GPU programming. 22:21:14 Everything that's old is new again. 22:21:16 LiamH: Exactly! 22:21:34 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:21:45 Now, who has an SBCL for GPUs? ;-) 22:22:13 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:13 speaking of that, are there good cuda or opencl bindings? i think there's some dwim-ware, but... 22:22:14 LiamH: A couple of years ago, we did a Moore's law scaling on a CM5 and instead of scaling up the CPU power, we scaled down the size and it was *darnned near* the size of the nVidia Teslas that had /just/ come out! 22:23:51 I think it would be /very interesting/ to think about a modernized *LISP type language where, for example, your LET statements would *actually* be done in parallel, loops would be unrolled to execute in different places, etc. 22:24:50 of course, it couldn't be CL unless it was some sort of layer on top of CL 22:24:51 Better to think of vector processing. Remember, every processor has to be doing the same thing, not even any branches allowed. 22:25:12 <|3b|> you can branch on modern GPUs 22:25:45 LiamH: Do you know if you can "turn off" some of the cores like you could with the CMs? 22:25:47 i don't think i'd want let bindings to be evaluated in parallel, most of the time. just kinda pointless 22:25:51 <|3b|> still not really a good fit to doing LET bindings in parallel though, since you really want /lots/ of things happening at once for GPUs 22:26:13 ok, LET is probably a bad idea :) 22:26:21 <|3b|> download: you don't control things that directly with a GPU 22:26:23 but, DO 22:26:27 download: I think so, but I have only superficial understanding of GPUs. 22:26:47 i can't say i'm a fan of the "let's just write iteration constructions and pretend they can always work in parallel" thing 22:26:48 <|3b|> GPU is more "run this chunk of code N times at once" 22:27:03 Again, map/mapcar is probably the way to think. 22:27:10 <|3b|> where you want N large enough to take up whole GPU a few times over, but it doesn't have to be 22:27:12 download: I'm sorry, what are you talking about? 22:27:17 download: I missed quite a bit of this context 22:27:26 map-whatever is a bit better, but i mean, mapcar still has to cons and all 22:27:35 |3b|: I'm just wonder if you could, in theory, do a port of *LISP (where you could turn off certain CPUs for the purpose of, say, an IF statement) 22:27:38 a reduction. 22:27:39 Yeah, really map 'vector 22:27:48 <|3b|> since GPU tend to be pretty poorly optimized for running a single serial task (huge memory latency, relatively low clock, etc) 22:27:50 map 'xector, clearly :p 22:28:03 <|3b|> download: just put in an IF statement :p 22:28:05 kristof: Lisp on GPUs 22:28:20 *|3b|* thinks *lisp would translate pretty directly to a GPU though 22:28:29 lists, matrices... 22:29:00 download: Something tells me you wouldn't want as much power as Common Lisp on GPUs 22:29:05 |3b|: do you know of any current lisp on gpus stuff? something i'm hoping to play with on vacation 22:29:20 *|3b|* has done opencl from lisp 22:29:29 kristof: What else am I supposed to write my code in? C? ;P 22:29:29 cool 22:29:32 <|3b|> some of the other lisp things sounded more advanced though 22:29:42 What? 22:30:00 download: Well, I mean, you'd want a subset of Common Lisp, minus a lot of stuff CL does. For optimization. 22:30:09 <|3b|> there was the cuda thing (cl-gpu?), and some research scheme if i remember right 22:30:09 kristof: sure! 22:30:13 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:24 <|3b|> kristof: you would basically want something like cmlisp or *lisp 22:30:26 I'd just want the ability to put tasks to the gpu, really. probably with a dsl. 22:30:41 kristof: I definitely don't want to try to load the full bloat of SBCL in there (when that memory should be mostly for my data! :) 22:30:41 and then a cmlisp-ish layer on top. 22:30:42 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 22:31:14 download: Lately it seems to me that all "modern Lisps" can really just be implemented as specialized subsets of common lisp. But.. meh 22:31:20 <|3b|> harlan i think is the scheme i was thinking of 22:31:25 download: Minus the Lisp-1 Lisp-2 stuff 22:31:28 I don't even know what kind of ISAs GPU cores have, or even if that's the right way to think about it. All I know is a bit about fused multiply-add 22:31:39 kristof: of course they can! :) 22:31:52 |3b|: I didn't find anything googling *Lisp but starlisp seems to be what you're referring to 22:32:05 starlisp is the same thing 22:32:09 |3b|: I think I've come across this, once. It's essentially a highly performant, specialized lisp? 22:32:16 IIRC it is /properly/ spelled *LISP 22:32:17 <|3b|> Bike: you probably want to learn about whatever GPU you are working on, since it is pretty different from optimizing for a normal CPU 22:32:49 <|3b|> kristof: it was the first lisp for connection machines, basically CL with a DSL for programming a data parallel coprocessor 22:32:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Lisp 22:33:00 |3b|: certainly. i just mean i don't have some vague sense of things, like a general purpose CPU is going to have so and so instructions to some extent 22:33:21 |3b|: Very cool :) 22:33:26 Hey, for anybody who's interested: 22:33:40 |3b|: like, i've heard the not-had-branching-until-recently thing too. how does memory access work? is it just floats or are there bit operations? bla bla bla 22:33:43 <|3b|> Bike: GPU probably has a lot of the same instructions these days, focused on float math, and more recently some bit ops you would use for stuff like video encoding/decoding 22:34:03 guess i'll be reading a lot of manuals 22:34:10 I just got word from my library that "The Architecture of Symbolic Computers" just came in (I applied for a loan of it from a nearby UC). I intend on scanning every page for personal use. 22:34:22 <|3b|> you can branch, and loop, but might not have much (if any?) stack for recursion 22:34:37 <|3b|> and other threads might block until longest running finishes 22:35:01 <|3b|> most GPUs group threads into chunks, so you would have N groups of 32 or 64 or whatever 22:35:02 kristof: do you have any experience scanning? 22:35:20 Bike: I have NONE, I was going to google for tips on how to scan hundreds of pages effectively. 22:35:35 Bike: If you have recommendations, I'd appreciate it 22:35:37 kristof: most methods involve destroying the spine. good luck, scanning sucks 22:35:48 Bike: Fucking hell 22:35:55 kristof: if you're feeling adventurous you can make a camera book scanner pretty cheap, just google that 22:35:59 <|3b|> and each of those groups shares some local memory/cache, and that chunk of hardware is occupied until last thread in the group exits 22:36:10 |3b|: i see, i see. 22:36:21 Bike: I don't know the copyright license yet but offhand would you know if there's any clause in American copyright law that allows me to distribute this to a limited group? 22:36:35 kristof: you are not allowed to do that 22:36:38 Okay. 22:36:49 Bike: But I can certainly make a copy for my personal use. 22:37:02 well, not legally, but it's not like anyone's going to arrest you 22:37:10 Oh? I thought I could legally. 22:37:13 Same with music. 22:37:28 <|3b|> copyright law is confusing and inconsistent :/ 22:37:34 ^^^^ that seems to be the case 22:37:35 <|3b|> if you really care you should ask a lawyer 22:37:42 Consulting costs money :P 22:37:53 I don't have lawyer frie- oh, actually, I have one. But he's still in school. 22:37:59 |3b|: how often do old parallel constructs come up? like, mutexes and stuff. is that totally irrelevant? 22:38:25 <|3b|> Bike: more likely to want atomics if anything 22:38:36 <|3b|> best to avoid dependencies like that though 22:38:49 kristof: are you sure you can with music? back when i emulated video games there were all these people talking about a legal backup copy right but they were basically making things up 22:38:52 Related to Bike's question, does anyone know offhand if modern STM is scalable? 22:38:55 |3b|: aight. 22:38:57 <|3b|> more likely you would just make multiple passes over the data when you have dependencies 22:39:08 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39:14 It supposedly bottlenecks at large levels but perhaps headway has been made in this area 22:39:16 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 22:39:21 yeah, i have little experience with parallelism, been thinking about how to fix up some ugly matlab to run on a gpu 22:39:31 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@75-147-191-222-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:42 <|3b|> also have to be careful about memory access patterns 22:39:56 -!- strobegen1 [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:06 <|3b|> GPU are way faster than CPU when use properly, but horribly slower when not 22:40:07 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 22:40:12 well, right. 22:40:16 <|3b|> both for compute and memory bandwidth 22:40:48 i figure the basic idea is to do things GPUs ought to be good at. like lots of little rendering mathematic operations 22:41:23 <|3b|> yeah, if you can do lots of independent math per memory access, and have well correlated memory access, you should be good 22:41:25 Bike: bottom up parsing. Give a character to each GPU :-) 22:41:33 clearly. 22:41:38 <|3b|> pjb: yep 22:41:56 <|3b|> probably not worth the bandwidth to transfer it across the bus though 22:42:27 *|3b|* read an old connection machine paper about parsing, sounded interesting 22:42:55 right now the code in question extends an array (which reallocates) as a slapdash set data structure, in the main needs-to-be-fast loop, so i figure if nothing else i probably can't make it worse 22:43:07 They did something like that to scan the NYTimes on CM. 22:44:31 <|3b|> stuff with varying memory needs can get messy, since you need to allocate all the space in advance 22:44:52 oh, sure. i mean i'm thinking about how to do this with a more sensible set structure, at least 22:45:11 <|3b|> and it is hard to do unpredictably partial output well 22:46:04 not sure yet but i might be able to axe the set entirely, since all it does is determine what loop iterations to run, and instead run every loop and fix up the results after 22:46:11 looking forward to this stuff, i am. 22:51:09 william-cushing [80202773@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.32.39.115] has joined #lisp 22:51:23 seangrove [~user@31.sub-70-197-13.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:51:31 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:38 I'm looking at some common lisp code that uses #-test and #+test in a script. How do you invoke a lisp so as to put (or not) 'test on *features*? 22:51:54 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-104.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 22:51:59 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:07 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:52:39 Is it something pretty obvious, like (setf *features* (cons 'test *features*)) (load "the-script.lisp")? 22:52:55 pushnew, yes 22:54:11 Would (let ((*features* (cons 'test *features*))) (load "the-script.lisp")) do what I want? (undo the change...) 22:55:13 think so. 22:55:19 thanks :) 22:57:40 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 22:58:08 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:21 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:01:41 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:02:19 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 23:02:26 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:02:50 william-cushing: one possible gotchya is that if load finds a compiled version to load then your let form won't do anyting 23:04:06 resttime [~rest@c-50-158-65-143.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:19 zeebrah [~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah] has joined #lisp 23:06:36 william-cushing: I think you will be okay as long as you keep the explicit .lisp file extension. 23:06:46 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.11] has joined #lisp 23:07:20 nha [~prefect@koln-4db40caf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:35 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 23:07:39 Hey lispers - I have a question for anybody who thinks about low-level implementation issues of Common Lisp. 23:08:39 drmeister: Working on your llvm backend for CL, still? 23:08:45 drmeister: What's the tentative name, if I may ask? 23:08:57 I just discovered that ECL doesn't use pure varargs functions like foo(int nargs,...) for calling all compiled CL functions. 23:09:13 It looks like all the required arguments are passed explicitly so + would look like PLUS(int n_args, cl_object firstarg, ...) the first arg is passed explicitly 23:10:05 The nice thing about that is that firstarg will be passed in a register the downside is (I think) that you can't redefine the function because if you do then all of the callers have to be recompiled to handle the new prototype. 23:10:17 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:10:40 kristof: Yes - it's not a backend - it's a full Common Lisp - "Bridge Common Lisp or BRCL" 23:11:16 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:12:00 drmeister: What's the motivation? 23:12:01 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@209.252.19.130] has joined #lisp 23:12:57 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 23:13:20 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:32 francogrex [~user@109.128.105.128] has joined #lisp 23:13:35 Do people agree - to be fully dynamic I would have to use a common prototype for all compiled functions like FOO(int nargs,...) This is slower than passing arguments explicitly (2-10x by my tests) but it's the only way I think I can pass arguments without the caller having to be aware of the callee's special prototype (because they won't have any). 23:13:55 -!- download [~user@dhcp206.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:13:56 kristof: A Common Lisp that interoperates with C++ and a Common Lisp that works with LLVM. 23:14:15 this is silly, but I am trying to do it recursively: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140215 to assoviated each child with its parent I get blocked when I have two siblings 23:15:04 for example A is parent of B because its 50 > 100 ... etc 23:15:12 50 < 100 23:15:26 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:16:15 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17:10 but C and D are bothe children of B 23:17:12 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:00 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db40caf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:18:38 -!- pjb [~t@90.24.199.117] has left #lisp 23:23:47 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:24:42 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:29 -!- SanderM [~quassel@541FDBB7.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:01 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:41 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:58 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:41 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:21 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:02 -!- robot-be` is now known as robot-beethoven 23:36:39 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 23:38:33 antonv_ [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 23:39:04 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 23:40:14 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:09 -!- antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:42:15 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:54 pjb [~t@90.24.199.117] has joined #lisp 23:43:58 -!- pjb [~t@90.24.199.117] has left #lisp 23:44:09 pjb [~t@90.24.199.117] has joined #lisp 23:47:03 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:47:15 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:34 *francogrex* coughs 23:49:46 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.105.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:33 bless you 23:52:10 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.39.53] has joined #lisp 23:55:00 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:47 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]