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joined #lisp 02:01:44 normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-066-041.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:49 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:00 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:06:24 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@bas4-toronto21-1176477298.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:06:58 Why is *print-circle* nil by default? 02:07:33 makes most printing take more time, for an edge case 02:07:53 I'm writing a serialization library and getting it to handle circular data structures. 02:08:26 Ok, so since I'm working with circular data structures I should just set *print-circle* to true so I don't keep going off in infinite loops. 02:08:42 yeah. setting *print-length* and *print-level* helps with that too. 02:09:24 i figure if i'm dealing with a structure more than 50 long i probably don't need it printed out all at once anyway 02:12:01 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-rqormtvpcxljmmaq] has joined #lisp 02:12:25 drmeiste_: conspack :P 02:12:44 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 02:13:43 ASau` [~user@p54AFEF5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 02:14:00 refried_ [~refried_@z69-94-207-36.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 02:14:45 -!- seangrove [~user@199-83-221-155.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:45 -!- nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:08 What's conspack? 02:15:23 seangrove [~user@199-83-221-155.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:31 Found it 02:16:24 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:48 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFF3C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:17:17 I want human readable serialization - I also need it be able to serialize C++ objects and mix them with Common Lisp objects and structures. 02:17:39 Actually, I'm 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I was just testing circular data structures. 02:23:16 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:23:41 oh for human readable stuff there was cl-serial or whatnot but yeah 02:28:40 antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 02:29:03 -!- antonv is now known as Guest74470 02:29:14 -!- Guest74470 [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Client Quit] 02:29:38 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:30 -!- dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:08 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:56 dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has joined #lisp 02:35:42 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:35:59 Here's what my serializer generates - any thoughts? 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[~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:39:43 cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has joined #lisp 05:40:39 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.85.154] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 05:44:24 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:45:57 -!- easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:46:08 TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has joined #lisp 05:47:25 I just found C-M-f and C-M-b. I am ridiculously happy. 05:47:55 -!- dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:49:01 jup, forward-backward 05:49:13 dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has joined #lisp 05:49:13 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:42 Yea, but I knew C/M-f/b. Forward/back s-expression.. I'm in heaven lol 05:50:09 cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has joined #lisp 05:50:32 (PS: I used to just be well-versed in vim, so) 05:54:31 -!- nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fedb:a448] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:55:15 heddwch: there are also `up-list' and `down-list' 05:55:42 :o Thank you! I'll search them now :D 05:56:39 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 05:57:50 easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has joined #lisp 05:58:02 Nooo, I'll have to bind them lol But those are very useful. 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They burn 06:59:05 Well, disable text wrapping, for starters 06:59:24 First of all, the code formatting is terrible and makes it difficult to read. Sencodly, you are assigning to variables without declaring them (which is undefined behaviour) 06:59:50 The code formatting is following the conventions of the group I'm working with 07:00:04 collie: then tell that group they are doing it wrong? 07:00:14 You never put single ) on its own line 07:00:16 Not really relevant to my question 07:00:19 It is 07:00:25 if you want people to look at your code to help you 07:00:32 I find it a lot easier to read that way, myself 07:00:45 1,000 close parens stacked at the end of a line is the worst 07:00:55 collie: Not if you have an editor that matches parens 07:01:22 You should probably try paredit as well 07:01:24 Sure, but it's still easier to tell what's going on with decent tabbing/spacing 07:01:41 collie: yes. that's what all Lisp programmers us; decent spacing 07:01:44 pastebin did mess some stuff up though 07:01:46 your code does not 07:01:50 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 07:02:10 Okay, well 07:02:17 Instead of your judgment about my formatting 07:02:28 how about you answer a couple easy questions for me: 07:02:44 So: 1) You assign to variables withotu declaring them, 2) You don't capture the return value of SORT 07:02:47 Is (not found) correct for checking if found == nil? 07:03:03 wither NOT or NULL does that 07:03:04 sort modifies the original list 07:03:12 collie: it _may_ modify it 07:03:30 I've never had it _not_ modify it 07:03:35 collie: then try this: 07:04:11 (let ((x (list 3 1 2 4))) 07:04:12 (sort x #'>) 07:04:12 x) 07:04:17 tell me what that returns 07:04:36 -!- leo2007 [~leo@221.220.232.204] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 07:05:24 (3 2 1) 07:05:32 exactly. Is that what you expected? 07:05:57 I didn't expect anything because I unashamedly lifted that sort code off a website. I have no idea what it does. 07:06:20 although if you want to explain it, I'm happy to listen 07:07:23 The Hyperspec for SORT refers to the behaviour of NREVERSE, which says the following: 07:07:46 "For nreverse, sequence might be destroyed and re-used to produce the result. The result might or might not be identical to sequence. Specifically, when sequence is a list, nreverse is permitted to setf any part, car or cdr, of any cons that is part of the list structure of sequence." 07:09:27 What that means is essentially that the function may change the elements, but there is no guarantee as to what those changes actually are. 07:09:43 So you absolutely must capture the return value for SORT (and NREVERSE) 07:10:24 Alright, I'll do that then, thanks 07:10:36 Let me show you what I'm going for with this... http://ideone.com/7HueAH 07:11:01 STilda [kvirc@176.67.5.136] has joined #lisp 07:11:11 It took me < 5 minutes in java but lisp is killing me :( 07:11:29 You usually should avoid using += on Strings in java. Look up the class StringBuilder 07:12:01 as for generating the string, in Lisp you probably want WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (which is kind of like StringBuilder) 07:12:02 Oh, I know. I'm very good with java. It was quick and dirty out of frustration 07:12:11 -!- refried_ [~refried_@z69-94-207-36.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:12:38 In Lisp, what you want is something like this: 07:13:10 My lisp seems to be building the string fine, but I get this output: "|o|o|o|o|o|o|o|_|_|_|" 07:13:15 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-35.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:13:21 (and the output should be the same as the output from that java) 07:14:01 OK, I'll be nice to you. I'll write up a similar version for you, but I will not test it. Since this is clearly a school project, I'm not going to do all your homework for you 07:14:36 Well, it's a school project, but connect 4 was of my own choosing 07:14:40 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.239.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:15:01 prxq [~mommer@x2f6a0dc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 07:15:10 Can you really not read my lisp? It doesn't seem that horrible, even if it's not following convention 07:15:20 I don't want you to write a whole thing for me 07:15:25 -!- vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:15:29 Don't worry. I won't 07:15:36 alright 07:17:51 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.91.107] has left #lisp 07:20:31 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:20:36 Here's a version that extracts the information that you print in your Java program 07:21:00 Note that it doesn't put the | characters in there, nor make it into a string. 07:21:01 http://paste.lisp.org/display/140011 07:21:11 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.168.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 07:22:28 Now if you want, you can pass the result to a simple FORMAT to put the | characters in there: 07:23:18 (format t "|~{~a~^|~}|" result) 07:23:29 where result is the return value from the form in my paste 07:25:04 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:05 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:37 cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has joined #lisp 07:25:49 6 lines of code compared to 26 in Java. pretty godd illustration of the conciseness of Lisp :-) 07:26:38 is that a challenge? :p 07:26:56 collie: No. It's just an illustration. 07:28:07 vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:05 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 07:30:33 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 07:32:52 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:32:52 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:01 -!- STilda [kvirc@176.67.5.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:33:05 cmm [~cmm@109.67.179.13] has joined #lisp 07:33:08 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:33:38 http://ideone.com/zxcRF6 wow only one line in java, what a perfect language 07:34:20 \s 07:38:08 Like I said, it's an illustration. 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quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:19:57 how can i 13:20:08 "show" everything like in repl? 13:20:32 -!- knob9876 is now known as knob 13:20:33 Ofaez: what do you mean by "show everything"? 13:20:35 what do you mean?M 13:20:58 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:00 i mean, say, i have hash table and i want to convert it to string representation like "#" 13:21:36 http://frank.kank.net/essays/hash.html 13:21:37 Or number 1 to "1". 13:22:08 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:22:09 you can (format nil "~S" X) where X is your datum 13:22:21 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:22:28 (princ-to-string (make-hash-table)) 13:22:39 you get a pretty useless string in the case of the hashtable 13:22:41 There's also DESCRIBE. 13:22:47 -!- dkcl [~dan@unaffiliated/dandersen] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:22:58 yeah, thats what i wanted 13:23:05 Or INSPECT. 13:23:12 that you guys 13:23:18 thank* 13:23:22 Ofaez: Generally objects printed in the # form, are not READ-able back. 13:23:25 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:23:37 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:23:41 But that may not be an issue for you. 13:24:12 antoszka: nope, AFAIK it is readable. 13:24:29 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:24:35 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.169.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:42 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:25:22 antoszka: yep, it's not an issue 13:25:42 hitecnologys: #<, when read, signals an error 13:25:48 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 13:25:57 LiamH [~none@129-2-129-146.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 13:26:21 hitecnologys: CL-USER> (read-from-string (princ-to-string (make-hash-table))) 13:26:23 hitecnologys: try this 13:26:37 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:26:41 as stassats says #< will throw a read error. 13:26:43 (read-from-string (write-to-string (make-hash-table) :readably t)) => # 13:26:50 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:26:53 (implementation dependent) 13:27:03 Yeah, that's what I meant by "readable". 13:27:20 hash-tables are not readable 13:27:27 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:45 Why? 13:28:03 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:36 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:28:49 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:29:03 how would i know? 13:29:10 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:16 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 13:29:19 clhs 22.1.3.13 13:29:19 Printing Other Objects: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_acm.htm 13:29:33 -!- fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:30:28 fish2 [~srd@31.13.128.158] has joined #lisp 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This allows a restricted form of multiple inheritance." 15:11:10 interesting 15:14:53 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 15:17:08 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@201.164.189.106] has joined #lisp 15:18:03 -!- Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:18:47 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:41 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.7.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:21:35 desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 15:23:39 TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has joined #lisp 15:24:52 Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 15:25:44 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.236.41.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-0-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:22 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28:24 nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.236.41.73] has joined #lisp 15:28:32 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.236.41.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:14 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:29:45 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:18 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-89.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:42 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 15:31:42 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-34-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:01 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:32:29 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-50-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 15:35:13 Is there a way to get all local variables in a macro? I'd like to log them somewhere. I guess the environment parameter might work, but is there a library that makes that portable? 15:36:42 no 15:37:06 dcxi [~dcxi@219.Red-79-158-106.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:07 i'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong heh 15:39:32 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-123.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:47 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:03 capisce_ [srodal@rs5.risingnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:15 bobbysmith0071 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:31 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 15:44:40 KingNato [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:46:07 in debugging, there is no 'doing it wrong' 15:47:18 sjl- [~sjl@li136-50.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:47:40 samebcha1e [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:58 you could write a macro that wraps some code in a macrolet which shadows LET and LET* and captures any variable bindings there 15:48:02 ramus_ [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:05 Sourcele1s_ [~Sourceles@milan.cs.york.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:48:13 it's not perfect, but it might help you 15:48:22 igorww [~igorw@li559-253.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:30 syunull_ [~syunull@ip174-71-74-76.om.om.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:33 sigjuice [~sigjuice@192.241.139.168] has joined #lisp 15:48:34 -!- igorww [~igorw@li559-253.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:48:34 igorww [~igorw@unaffiliated/igorw] has joined #lisp 15:49:08 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:43 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.237] has joined #lisp 15:49:52 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 15:50:09 yrk` [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:34 -!- yrk` [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:49 luis- [~luis@kerno.org] has joined #lisp 15:51:31 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@quickdocs.org] has joined #lisp 15:51:52 sauerkra- [~krause@cpe-24-55-25-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:52:38 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-164-23.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:52:38 -!- sauerkrause [~krause@cpe-24-55-25-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- luis` [~luis@kerno.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- capisce [srodal@rs5.risingnet.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- syunull [~syunull@unaffiliated/syunull] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- sjl [~sjl@li136-50.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:38 -!- sigjuice_ [~sigjuice@192.241.139.168] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- igorw [~igorw@unaffiliated/igorw] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- samebchase [~samuel@71.19.145.59] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- nitro_idiot_ [~nitro_idi@quickdocs.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- KingNato_ [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:39 -!- Sourceless [~Sourceles@milan.cs.york.ac.uk] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:53:43 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-156-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:53:57 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 15:54:13 i have an insidiously hacky and bad way 15:54:20 http://paste.lisp.org/display/140023 15:54:42 haha 15:55:01 -!- sauerkra- is now known as sauerkrause 15:55:08 that will pick up all the special variables too 15:55:15 dlowe: it won't! 15:55:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:55:40 and it used do-all-symbols originally, but i couldn't wait for compilation to finish 15:55:50 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:17 but, it will pick up symbol macros 15:57:41 back to the drawing board 15:58:07 it dropped me into ldb, for the record 15:58:15 i tried on ccl 16:00:54 paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 16:01:10 fixed the symbol-macro capture: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140023#1 16:02:07 doesthiswork [~Adium@98.145.118.186] has joined #lisp 16:02:54 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:02 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:03:11 -!- bobbysmith0071 is now known as bobbysmith007 16:03:19 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:03:19 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 16:05:12 i guess i can check for BOUNDP at macroexpansion time 16:06:24 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-0-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:07:41 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:08:27 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:00 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.237] has joined #lisp 16:09:17 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:25 well, i managed to kill virtualbox with OOM with this macro 16:10:36 -!- ramus_ is now known as ramus 16:12:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:13:20 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.237] has quit [Client Quit] 16:14:35 optimized version: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140023#2 16:14:42 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:54 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:15:35 it depends on that no new special variables are declared 16:15:38 CrazyEddy [~colorimet@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:17:05 Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan247123.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 16:17:22 nha [~prefect@koln-4db411a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:01 that won't work for things like (let ((package:symbol ...))). I guess I'll have to shadow LET ... I thought that &environment is for things like this. 16:18:09 after (setf sb-ext:*evaluator-mode* :interpret), it's actually pretty fast on SBCL 16:19:19 I could try to look at what swank uses to get local variables .... but that's like introspection, and will be much slower 16:19:32 slime doesn't do anything like that 16:19:50 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan247123.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:14 stassats: perhaps variable-information might be useful for your snippet 16:20:24 useful? 16:20:26 -!- samebcha1e is now known as samebchase 16:20:34 that won't be portable! 16:20:52 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-125-176.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20:52 gejr [152919@unaffiliated/gejr] has joined #lisp 16:21:07 and it won't be silly anymore 16:21:12 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@219.Red-79-158-106.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dcxi] 16:21:42 with (setf sb-ext:*evaluator-mode* :interpret), i can use do-all-symbols 16:22:14 hey good people, i'm pretty bad at lisp and now i'm stuck. I have a list of structs, and i would like to find the struct that has a certain member variable value (in my case I want the struct that has "category = P". 16:22:18 any hints? 16:22:33 and turns out, on SBCL alien variables are not bound, but still have a value 16:22:59 (boundp 'sb-sys::*native-posix-argv*) => NIL, SB-SYS::*NATIVE-POSIX-ARGV* => #<... 16:23:11 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.106] has joined #lisp 16:24:05 stassats: is that a bug? 16:24:12 i'm not yet sure 16:24:59 gejr: (find "P" list-of-structs :key 'category) 16:25:06 gejr: (find "P" list-of-structs :key 'category :test 'equal) 16:25:08 there's honestly nothing in quicklisp that makes &environment useable portably? 16:25:39 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-iflyocklkhrqdipf] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:26:57 flip214: is there anything at all that does that? I don't think so 16:27:04 H4ns: looks great, i'll try . Thanks mate! 16:28:18 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-196-192-206.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:32:16 stassats: how can you use BOUNDP at the macroexpansion time? There's no specific guarantee I can see for that 16:32:40 Petit_Dejeuner [~a@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:00 nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.236.41.73] has joined #lisp 16:33:20 if a variable is special it's gonna be treated as special in the code, except for newly created variables 16:33:26 Is lispbuilder worth using, or is it dead and broken? It doesn't look like its been updated in a while. 16:33:31 nice bug in 1.1.13, I guess ... "(cons 1 . (identity t))" gives "The variable IDENTITY is unbound. 16:33:37 stassats: oh I guess 16:33:37 but now that i created a local function, putting boundp there doesn't complicate compilation anymore 16:33:58 flip214: environments are (unfortunately) a very explicitly dragons territory in CL. Apparently nobody wanted to test their luck enough to write a library 16:34:42 flip214: what bug? 16:34:43 some implementations (SBCL included) have a CLtL package restoring much of the lost functionality, environments are one part of 16:34:53 how is that a bug? 16:34:59 flip214: you mean, a bug in your code? 16:35:09 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:41 dotted lists are for some reason confusing to newcomers. Maybe because they expose a surface most language lack, not being homoiconic? 16:36:57 bondar [~bondar@41.206.60.62] has joined #lisp 16:37:18 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 16:37:20 http://paste.lisp.org/display/140023#3 does work for sbcl 16:37:31 stassats: the error message is wrong. 16:37:33 I guess 16:37:41 flip214: . is a literal notation for dotted lists. CONS is a function. If you mix the two, you're going to have a bad time 16:37:50 Of course, it's a bug in my code - but I'd have hoped for a better error/warning message. 16:37:54 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:19 that is exactly the correct error 16:39:05 flip214: by putting a . there, you're asking lisp to interpret a form which isn't a proper list, and whose tail element is '(identity t) 16:39:18 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-vstyvtoypkovubif] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 16:39:46 (cons 1 . (identity t)) => (cons 1 identity t) 16:39:59 oh right 16:40:02 yeah, right. played around some more, understood. 16:40:04 *mathrick* stupid 16:40:25 i'm actually not sure how this is confusing since it's usually the first thing most lisp introductions start with heh 16:40:32 (cons 1 . ((list 2 3))) 16:40:53 but, read-time is definitely confusing for many 16:41:30 oGMo: lisp simply has more times exposed than other languages, and introduction or not, it will be confusing at first 16:41:51 -!- bondar [~bondar@41.206.60.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:42:45 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db411a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:43:12 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-efcppaehhkstdvrg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:25 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:25 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:35 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:45:51 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.236.41.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:27 Hrm. So, *package* can be bound to something completely random during the expansion of a defmacro, I guess. 16:47:27 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.210.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:46 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.210.149] has joined #lisp 16:48:09 oxum [~oxum@122.164.24.203] has joined #lisp 16:48:18 -!- clintm` is now known as clintm 16:48:29 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:05 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 16:49:05 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host92.181-1-203.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:49:55 nha [~prefect@koln-4db42204.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:30 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-123.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:58 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:10 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:57 (defpackage :one (:use :cl)) (defpackage :two (:use :cl)) (defpackage :three (:use :cl)) 16:52:57 (in-package :one) (defmacro foo () (intern "VAR")) 16:52:57 (in-package :two) (defvar VAR 5) (defun test () (one::foo)) 16:53:02 (in-package :three) (two::test) ;; <- what's the result? 16:56:03 an error about "var" not being found in the "three" package? 16:56:17 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:43 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 16:57:28 i'd say it's 5 16:57:31 doubtful, one::foo should be expanded while *package* is :two 16:57:43 so what stassats said 16:58:22 oh, yeah, you're right. 16:58:35 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9DFCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:58:44 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:00:48 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: activity lost into perpetual something] 17:02:16 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:33 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.24.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:06 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db42204.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:10:45 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@148.4.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 17:10:51 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:12:27 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.160.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:14:44 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:28 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18:46 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:19:05 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:19:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:21:18 k0001 [~k0001@host92.181-1-203.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:21:23 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 17:22:25 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 17:26:45 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:28 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 17:30:26 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:50 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-jxrqaxtwybwdsmhi] has joined #lisp 17:34:44 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.247] has joined #lisp 17:36:54 sdemarre [~serge@157.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:38:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:38:16 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:39:31 oxum [~oxum@122.164.211.121] has joined #lisp 17:42:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:43:55 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:00 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:17 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:47:25 nenorbot [~ronen@109.65.154.38] has joined #lisp 17:48:28 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@saule.gemelen.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:49:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:35 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 17:51:36 nug700 [~nug700@71-35-74-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:53 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.211.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:18 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:22 lduros` [~user@pool-72-78-80-110.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:16 gemelen [~gemelen@78.46.188.214] has joined #lisp 17:59:21 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.210.149] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 18:00:59 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 18:01:03 theAlgorist [~theAlgori@host5-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:01:16 There's no inverse of the special declaration? 18:01:19 hi 18:01:34 how can I check for type in a macro? 18:01:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:55 theAlgorist: what do you mean? 18:02:26 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 18:02:41 I have to expand to different code based on macro arg type 18:02:55 theAlgorist: Can you give an example? 18:03:18 Remember the macro arguments have not yet been evaluated 18:03:25 jasom: no, there isn't 18:03:43 stassats: exact 18:04:07 theAlgorist: i wasn't talking about your question 18:04:15 lol 18:04:18 zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has joined #lisp 18:04:36 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@static-96-239-100-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 18:05:37 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:43 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 18:06:28 jasom: so the macro arg is typeless from within macro code 18:06:58 jasom: I mean at expansion time 18:06:58 no, its a form (list or symbol) 18:07:07 eudoxia: or integer or string or ... 18:07:12 it's not limited to lsits or symbols 18:07:18 right, that too 18:07:23 theAlgorist: (defmacro type-example (x) `',(type-of x)) 18:07:40 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-jxrqaxtwybwdsmhi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:07:44 so macro code could test for type 18:07:44 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 18:07:54 theAlgorist: you could expand the macro into a typecase 18:07:54 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:58 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.198.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:17 theAlgorist: it can test for the type of the code, or you could expand into a typecase, or whatever 18:08:21 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:30 eudoxia: no I'd like the macro to expand directly in the needed code 18:08:30 theAlgorist: (type-example x) => SYMBOL 18:08:50 (let ((x 3)) (type-xample x)) => SYMBOL 18:08:53 theAlgorist: no, sadly neither macros, nor compiler-macros can't be directed by the types 18:09:22 unless you're passing literal values, which works for a subset of cases 18:09:24 stassats: ah ok, so I have to expand into typecase 18:09:27 theAlgorist: you can dispatch if they give a literal 18:09:41 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:09:43 clhs constantp 18:09:44 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_consta.htm 18:10:39 theAlgorist: it's usually done by having a function and a compiler-macro 18:10:46 stassats: the idea starts from gigamonkey book, where a "where" function generates a lambda function to test records equality 18:12:12 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@157.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13:04 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:15 ln` [~enarixoid@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:13:15 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:16:58 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:59 -!- ln` [~enarixoid@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 18:17:01 danielszmulewi-2 [~danielszm@37.26.146.247] has joined #lisp 18:19:31 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 18:20:32 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:46 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:21:21 malbertife [~malbertif@host164-54-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:22:42 stassats: the answer is, it depends. 18:23:00 foom: on what? 18:23:02 Bike: yes, error, if the macroexpansion happens at call time (e.g. interpreted). 18:23:15 5 if you compile the function. 18:23:32 i think the lesson of that is that using intern without specifying a package is not a thing to do 18:23:48 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-qagfcxvwhfxprhfn] has joined #lisp 18:23:53 it's the only way to introduce variables into the current package 18:23:56 that's how defstruct works 18:24:18 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:33 I had always assumed without thinking it would be 5. But, macroexpansion isn't guaranteed to happen at function definition time, so... 18:24:35 -!- interlocutor [~interlocu@unaffiliated/interlocutor] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-0-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:25:05 minimal compilation requires to expand all macros 18:25:15 yes, compilation requires. 18:25:24 akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.160.65] has joined #lisp 18:25:38 load or eval doesn't. 18:26:13 well, defstruct is toplevel, i guess, so you don't get this kind of silliness 18:26:20 usually toplevel* 18:28:45 dcxi [~dcxi@219.Red-79-158-106.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:50 -!- danielszmulewi-2 [~danielszm@37.26.146.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:18 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.247] has joined #lisp 18:33:26 archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 18:33:55 eval requires minimal compilation, doesn't it? 18:34:02 no 18:34:29 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] 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[~schaueho@dslb-088-066-006-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:57:27 (setf foo bar) == ((setf foo) bar) then? 19:58:12 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.106] has joined #lisp 19:58:43 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-156-132.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:37 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-156-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:16 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:28 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:01:34 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB1E01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:02:03 -!- clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:04:29 <|3b|> dim: (setf (foo) bar), and not portably and not for all FOO 20:04:55 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:04 ah yeah, right 20:05:16 I was wondering why I didn't have the same number of parens 20:05:26 -!- hiroaki 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