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I mean if I do another (load "file2.lsp") I will still have things form file.lsp 00:12:51 I don't want to do an (exit) and restart clisp 00:14:46 there can be no 100% cleanup for all possible loaded files, but what you can do is make sure the loaded file defines stuff in some particular package, and then delete that package before reloading it 00:16:36 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:39 lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@21.12.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 00:16:43 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:12 -!- Lolita [~Lolita@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:19:46 -!- ob_ [~ob@209.248.161.244.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:22:25 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 00:23:31 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24:01 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB3602.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 00:25:23 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:25:37 kpreid: incidentally, do you know if there's anything specified with regards to classes and other types defined once their home package gets deleted? Would they be considered garbage for collection (assuming no outstanding instances)? 00:26:01 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host184.190-136-197.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:26:21 I'm pretty sure that there's nothing specified 00:26:49 sbcl at least used to leak just about everything you could call a definition, via info-db 00:26:59 hmm, related, does being a subclass of something constitute a strong reference? 00:27:11 kpreid: right, I vaguely remember that 00:27:15 was it fixed? 00:27:17 MOP specifies such operations as class-direct-subclasses, so yes unless you want that to be weak 00:27:28 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@host252-19-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:27:29 don't know, I haven't been lisp-ing in a long time 00:27:39 yeah, but the question is, does MOP specify or at least enable those to be weak? 00:27:42 ah 00:28:15 well, afaik MOP says nothing, and given the general oft-unstated rule that GC behavior shall be unobservable, therefore it 'must' be strong 00:28:25 but I wouldn't complain about an implementation that made it weak :) 00:28:35 aye 00:31:19 now, class-direct-subclasses wouldn't *exist*, in a language I was *designing*. Or rather, the strongest reasonable operation would be "Of this set of classes, which ones are direct subclasses of X?" 00:31:37 oh, why would you omit it? 00:32:35 because there should be no such thing as _global_ _state_, stuff that can be side-effected, without explicitness. that is, analogue-of-defclass shouldn't have a side effect on its superclass 00:33:04 kpreid: oh, but if you have X, then you don't need global state 00:33:06 the above "Of this set of classes" clause makes it not-global-state because it uses information you have already 00:33:16 Mm, true, it is "local to X" 00:33:40 let me say instead, or in addition, "X should be immutable" 00:33:58 (except insofar as it is provided to be mutable, or you reloaded its definition, etc.) 00:34:21 but changing the inheritance hierarchy is by definition changing the "locally global" state for X and any related types and definitions 00:34:29 it's the intent of inheritance 00:34:56 not really, because without such introspection, you have the following property: 00:35:52 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB3602.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35:55 if Y is a subtype of X, then the existence of Y does not make a difference to the evaluation of any computation which contains (instances of X but) no instances of Y. 00:36:26 but without such introspection, the concept of method largely falls apart 00:36:48 Eh? 00:36:57 I don't see how this affects methods. 00:37:59 for one thing, you can't properly (pre)compute precedence lists upon definition, so performance would be impacted 00:38:19 oh, I have no objection to the implementation maintaining and using such tables 00:40:37 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:39 Lolita [~Lolita@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:51 kpreid: also introspection is extremely useful in many situations. "What subclasses are there"-employing solutions rarely are elegant, but they're sometimes the only ones 00:41:19 also debuggers 00:42:44 well, in a _debugger_, sure, and you can probably peek at the slots of a closure, too. But you can't write portable CL programs that look into closures, and I haven't heard anyone regretting that. 00:43:32 portable serialiser libraries :) 00:44:13 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:18 I think pkhuong wrote one and had a lengthy series on forcing closures in there 00:44:35 anyway, I'm not saying strip these things out of de-facto CL; CL is irreparably broken from this perspective anyway. like I said above, "in a language I was designing" such operations wouldn't exist 00:45:04 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:39 http://www.discontinuity.info/~pkhuong/common-cold/ <-- hah, I completely forgot he did it for that 00:47:08 kpreid: thaks for sending me that way, as I just have a use for CC :) 00:47:19 *thanks 00:47:26 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:19 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 00:50:51 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:52 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51:37 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:32 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:48 -!- sellout- [~Adium@97-118-164-167.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:55:36 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:25 Sorry I had a disconnection 00:58:32 someone answered my question ? 01:00:41 Lolita: there can be no 100% cleanup for all possible loaded files, but what you can do is make sure the loaded file defines stuff in some particular package, and then delete that package before reloading it 01:03:09 -!- antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:01 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:50 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:39 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:42 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:09 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@231-141.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:09 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.128.75.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:57 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 01:14:14 vircures [~vircures@65.23.122.2.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:37 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:12 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:24 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:35 fisxoj [~fisxoj@24-212-142-77.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:20:42 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:05 vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 01:23:54 Ox6463 [~user@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 01:26:15 -!- vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:27 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-87-31.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 01:31:46 -!- Lolita [~Lolita@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:32:34 sellout- [~Adium@97-118-164-167.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:33:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-87-31.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:39 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:36:38 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #lisp 01:37:52 Hy, I need to run several test commands located in several subfolders of test, wich are calls to my code. 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Working on something interesting Lisp-related? 05:00:37 Always :-) 05:00:52 I'm working on a web site. 05:00:58 Or web application if you like 05:01:10 Opinion: Forth/Factor/Other concatenative languages vs. Lisp/Scheme/S-expression based languages. 05:01:25 loke`: OK. 05:01:35 LinearInterpol: "concatenative". Why don't you just call them stack-based, as they've been called for decades. 05:01:49 well they mean somewhat different things. 05:01:52 Because some of them don't even involve a stack. 05:01:54 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 05:02:02 Oddly enough. 05:02:28 Anyway, I kind of don't want to engage in a discussion that is opened with a statement containing a "vs" 05:02:36 They rarely end well 05:02:52 I'm just wanting to see what the opinion is. I asked the same in #forth and #concatenative. :) 05:03:11 is "sick of meaningless language comparison" an opinion 05:03:43 Sorry to offend you. Jesus. 05:04:09 i'm not offended. it's just kind of boring. if you have specific questions i could go for that, maybe. 05:04:43 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:17 I've recently implemented a stack-based object oriented language and I'm thinking of restructuring it all into s-expressions. 05:05:31 Easier to deal with internally and externally than managing state 24/7. 05:05:36 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:05:54 That's why I've been asking, maybe to get some popular opinion on the subject. 05:06:27 I'm not sure I understand the intended distinction. I mean you can have homoiconicity in a stack language. 05:06:32 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:44 like factor and, uh, joy i think it was called. 05:06:47 Indeed! And I do. :) 05:06:52 I support quotations. 05:07:03 so what would "restructuring it all into s-expressions" mean? 05:07:31 So I don't end up having code like this: 05:07:32 http://pastebin.com/t7gm0sTF 05:07:59 Which is relatively unstructured. 05:08:07 And unclear at times. 05:08:29 To me it'd seem like a better decision. 05:09:38 LinearInterpol: Usually, syntax is (should be) seen as an implementation detail. 05:10:03 LinearInterpol: If you want to use sexp syntax to describe your program strructure, that should be a very minoro choice compared to the general design of the language. 05:10:39 -!- LinearInterpol [~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 05:12:12 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:15:40 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:20:11 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:21:30 alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has 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How do I go about his? 08:50:28 what test commands? what subfolders of test? 08:50:42 you're saying like everybody knows what your subfolders look like 08:53:42 maybe it's yet another instance of cisco lisp confusion 08:53:52 lol, sorry. noob here. I have a program.lisp; then a folder called test, whith lots of subfolders "teste01", "test02". In each subfolder there is a file "input", with calls to functions of my code, and an output with expected result. This is, of course, a school project. But the project was my code, not running the tests. The teatcher simply provided the tests without an easy way of running them all. 08:54:09 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:54:56 ok, that's what you should have started with 08:55:21 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.3.85] has joined #lisp 08:55:26 you can use DIRECTORY function to list all subfolders 08:55:44 then you can use alexandria:read-file-into-string to read the input and output files 08:56:22 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:56:26 and eval to run the input code? 08:56:55 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:56:56 does "input" contain code or data? 08:57:56 if it's code, then there's a standard function called LOAD 08:58:01 code. Functions calls to my code like (fun1 parameters) 08:59:25 then LOAD will do 08:59:56 and you need to compare the output to the standard-output with the "output" file? 09:00:11 I tryied load yesterday (manually) but it would just return T, not run the code (no output shown) 09:00:24 it does run the code 09:01:15 can you paste to http://paste.lisp.org/ the input file, so that i don't ask a hundred more questions about it? 09:01:52 lol, sure. thanks by the way 09:02:25 -!- nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:02:48 stassats: how did you manage to make commonqt see ddls? I put them at dir and added it to PATH but it still doesn't see them. Then I tried System32 but it didn't help. What am I doing wrong? 09:03:10 malbertife__ [~malbertif@host252-19-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:03:33 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139851 09:04:54 hitecnologys: first of all, it's 32-bit dlls, second, i did (sb-posix:setenv "PATH" (format nil "C:\\Qt\\4.8.5\\bin\\;commonqt-libs;~a" (sb-posix:getenv "PATH")) t) 09:04:59 err, 1 instead of t 09:05:14 and you didn't have to install visual studio 09:05:28 stassats: oh damn, I thought it's 64-bit. 09:05:56 So, I need 32-bit QT or entire windows? 09:06:05 32-bit qt, 32-bit lisp 09:06:27 OK, thanks. 09:06:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:06 Kromitvs: we're not gonna know if any of those output anything 09:07:17 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@host252-19-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:07:23 Kromitvs: if they just return values LOAD won't show anything 09:08:14 Kromitvs: you can do (with-open-file (stream "input") (loop for form = (read stream nil stream) until (eq form stream) collect (eval form))) 09:08:27 if you want to capture the return values 09:08:31 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 09:10:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:10:27 ok, that example didn't return anything. So I'll use DIRECTORY to list alls subfolders, and in each one LOAD the test file and compare the ouput with waht the teachter gave. I think I have a work plan. 09:10:45 -!- Ambit [~chatzilla@c-50-161-33-61.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:06 what do you mean, didn't return anything? 09:12:17 maybe you're confused between return values and printed output? 09:13:50 that's it. It didn't print anything (it returned nil) 09:15:13 did you run it on an empty file? 09:17:27 echo-area [~user@114.254.100.161] has joined #lisp 09:18:07 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB3602.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:21:44 prxq: okular does not seem to allow the user to select any text at all. :( 09:22:03 beach: did you disble DRM protection? 09:22:41 and some pdfs are unable to have selectable texts, for some reason 09:23:08 the ones created with cl-pdf, for example 09:25:37 Thanks for the help! 09:26:29 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-heuwcojoyrfkcbsl] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 09:27:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.223.179] has left #lisp 09:30:20 stassats: Oh, I see. 09:31:56 or rather, if you use your own fonts with cl-pdf 09:32:00 or something like that 09:32:25 cl-pdf/cl-typesetting is a sham anyhow 09:32:40 I see. Well, I created it with pdflatex. 09:32:57 stassats: We definitely need a new PDF library. 09:33:30 I have been trying to encourage jasom to do that, but I have had no success so far. 09:35:29 beach: okular selects text with the right mouse button, did you try that? 09:38:09 stassats: It sure does. Thanks! And no, I hadn't tried that. 09:38:17 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 09:38:29 prxq: Forget what I said about okular not allowing text selection. 09:38:41 stassats: Thanks. 09:38:44 there's also a dedicated selection tool, Ctrl+4 09:39:02 or Menu->Tools 09:39:08 OK. 09:39:28 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB3602.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:39:43 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:42:30 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:14 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:47:54 leoc [~leoc.git@p5480A9E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:48:20 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:39 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:50:42 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.197.246] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 10:01:40 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.3.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:03:29 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:22 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:08:31 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@231-141.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 10:10:09 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 10:11:35 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:25 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:13:37 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-224-223.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:26:38 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p5480A9E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:13 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-15-120.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:38:05 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:44:07 -!- dessos [~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 10:49:03 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:55:41 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:02:19 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:24 bitonic [~user@ppp-129-185.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 11:02:32 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 11:05:37 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:14:36 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:17:26 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.223.179] has joined #lisp 11:26:49 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:29:36 ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 11:33:31 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:33:38 -!- ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 11:39:58 -!- gophround [~gophround@62.217.50.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:39 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zvizjntlsjikqscp] has joined #lisp 11:51:27 i'm trying to get my vps's apache configuration such that it will point something like mydomain/hunchentoot at mydomain:4242 - but this is proving very difficult. i've read of success running hunchentoot behind apache (also lighttpd and maybe nginx) but the tutorials i find are outdated and missing crucial pieces to the puzzle. 11:52:08 Ayey_ [~rune@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:27 has anyone a grasp on this, or knows anyone particularly relevant texts or search strings? 11:52:50 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:55:08 You can use pound or lighttp to redirect urls filtered on regexps to such different ports. 11:57:08 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:58:43 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:01:17 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 12:02:35 -!- malbertife__ [~malbertif@host252-19-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:04 -!- Ayey_ [~rune@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:08:38 nydel: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZWS 12:10:40 keltvek [~keltvek@ahrinia.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:40 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@ahrinia.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:10:40 keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has joined #lisp 12:11:17 przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has joined #lisp 12:21:42 chenjf [~chenjf@58.254.172.164] has joined #lisp 12:26:17 -!- ttm is now known as The_third_man 12:27:41 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:28:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:28:53 przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has joined #lisp 12:32:17 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 12:34:12 munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:40:40 samskull` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:09 -!- samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:43:02 jsucsy1 [~jsucsy@4.71.190.130] has joined #lisp 12:43:49 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:44:16 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-129-185.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44:59 -!- jsucsy [~jsucsy@38.108.127.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:48:30 fe[nl]ix: that did it, i had to put it in conf/extras/httpd-vhosts.conf and include that file in httpd.conf 12:49:14 oh happy day i can finally use common lisp to its fullest for web-based thingies :) 12:50:42 -!- echo-area [~user@114.254.100.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:36 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:13 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:08:20 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 13:11:12 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Quit: Ragequit] 13:11:20 arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has joined #lisp 13:12:21 fredmorcos [~fredmorco@cm56-209-5.liwest.at] has joined #lisp 13:15:28 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:15:45 hello, I'm trying to write an infix macro: (defmacro ^ (x) (if (= (length x) 3) (list (car (cdr x)) (car x) (car (cdr (cdr x)))) x)) 13:15:55 it seems to work for numbers, but not for boolean 13:16:01 -!- przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16:38 which is really really strange 13:16:41 przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has joined #lisp 13:17:05 oh, nevermind, seems to work 13:17:16 (^ (t equal nil)) 13:21:54 fredmorcos: If I were you, I would use (first x), (second x), and (third x) instead of (car x), (car (cdr x)) and (car (cdr (cdr x))). 13:22:08 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:16 and i would use car, cadr and caddr! 13:24:43 okay, didn't know about all this :) 13:24:50 i don't my code to be easy to read to some whippersnappers! 13:24:54 don't want 13:26:38 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27:33 Posterdati: 13:28:06 what? 13:28:54 Sorry, keyboard heating up, didn't send C-x b. 13:30:42 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@176.62.125.52] has joined #lisp 13:31:07 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has left #lisp 13:31:35 fredmorcos: abstract it away! (defstruct (expression (:type list)) left-operand operator right-operand) then (list (expression-operator expression) (expression-left-operand expression) (expression-right-operand expression)) 13:33:06 ggole [~ggole@124-148-74-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:33:38 pjb, newbie here :) still have to lookup defstruct 13:33:43 pjb, but thanks! 13:35:11 fredmorcos: well, infix is a bitch: (^ (a = b = c = d)) --> (= a b c d) (^ (a < b < c < d)) --> (< a b c d) (^ (a < b <= c < d)) --> (and (< a b) (<= b c) (< c d)) 13:36:02 fredmorcos: What made you decide to learn Lisp? 13:40:04 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:44:35 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 13:47:52 -!- przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:26 another newbie here, and to answer that question for myself, only because it feels so different and simply elegant. So for aesthetical reasons I think. 13:49:37 beach, data and instructions are the same, almost lack of a syntax barrier, good development tools, always heard it's an enlightenment to learn but never understood why 13:50:15 Great reasons. 13:51:24 pjb, you have well crafted examples there, but my infix macro only translates lists of 3 elements 13:51:37 pjb, basically (2 + 3) --> (+ 2 3) 13:54:41 Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:01 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 13:56:42 can a macro be recursive? 13:56:55 przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has joined #lisp 13:57:44 fredmorcos: Sure. The most common way is that its expansion contains another call to the same macro. 13:58:03 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:55 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:06 (defmacro mact (x) (if (integerp x) (if (zerop x) '1 `(* ,x (mact ,(1- x)))) `(fact ,x))) 13:59:08 in the case of the infix macro, i would use listp to find out whether it should recur or not...? 13:59:35 (macroexpand '(mact 4)) --> (* 4 (mact 3)) 13:59:54 fredmorcos: You probably don't have to in your example. It will nest properly anyway. 13:59:58 (swank::macroexpand-all '(mact 4)) --> (* 4 (* 3 (* 2 (* 1 1)))) 14:01:08 fredmorcos: (^ (^ (1 + 2)) + (^ (3 + 4))) should work automatically. 14:02:57 beach, what i would like to achieve now is a recursive infix macro --> (^ ((1 + 2) + (3 + 4))) 14:03:42 but it seems like (1 + 2) and (3 + 4) get evaluated before the macro is called 14:04:14 fredmorcos: That doesn't sound right. 14:05:37 fredmorcos: And yes, in this case, you would have to test whether the argument is an atom or not. But listp won't do. Use consp. 14:06:42 But the truely recursive macro would be a macro that uses itself in is body, not in its result. Unfortunately, since the macro would have to be defined to be able to define itself, it's not possible without calling macroexpand explicitely. 14:07:13 fredmorcos: you can use *macroexpand-hook* to trace when the macros are expanded. 14:08:02 fredmorcos: Try writing a recursive helper function, say infix-to-prefix that transforms a (possibly nested) infix expression to prefix. 14:08:11 fredmorcos: Then use that function in the macro. 14:10:03 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9FFD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:18 alright, will try all the tips here 14:10:23 *beach* vanishes for a while. 14:10:30 *fredmorcos* is overwhelmed :) 14:11:20 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-252-27.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 14:11:40 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:33 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:37 sszzqq [~sszzqq@112.90.222.131] has joined #lisp 14:12:41 -!- sszzqq [~sszzqq@112.90.222.131] has left #lisp 14:15:47 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:19:54 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:20:06 -!- easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:06 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I presume there is somehere a tool with which I can find subtrees with special characteristics. Like "starts with (:div :class "foo")". Any suggestions? 15:07:29 a tree pattern matcher 15:08:08 prxq: I use https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/source/7893e031e0bd44e142a9f7ec564501d758ee60b6:future/xmls-tools.lisp ; but it's for sexps built by xmls. 15:08:54 <|JRG|> http://cliki.net/site/search?query=pattern%20matching&start=0 15:08:58 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:19 pjb: any recommendation on what to use for parsing and extracting information from html files? 15:09:26 |JRG|: merci 15:09:50 prxq: I thought parsing was solved by cl-http-parser? 15:10:01 Why is it called cl-http-parser if it parses html? 15:10:06 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:14 It should be cl-html-parser. 15:10:39 it actually is, heh. A mental typo :-) 15:10:50 Otherwise, I wrote a html parser a long time ago for html 4.01; but I never published it. 15:11:02 well it is not the only solution, and cliki suggests it is deprecated. 15:11:17 Mine would be older anyways. 15:14:37 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 15:14:39 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:37 actually, no, it doesn't say it is deprecated 15:16:42 (jftr) 15:18:17 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162.204.145.159] has joined #lisp 15:18:47 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162.204.145.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:41 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:42 vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 15:22:02 -!- vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:36 vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 15:22:54 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:23:16 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@193.158.80.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24:27 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:48 nilsi_ [~nilsi@49.84.191.127] has joined #lisp 15:28:48 prxq: there's cxml 15:29:16 well, closure-html 15:29:19 prxq: http://www.cliki.net/closure-html 15:29:42 it was written for Closure (the web browser), so it's good at supporting tagsoup input 15:30:14 I wonder if anyone updated it for HTML5 15:32:46 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:33:46 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35:04 stassats: I've installed 32-bit QT and SBCL but now it complains "Error opening shared object \"commonqt.dll\": 126". What may be wrong? 15:35:40 you don't have commonqt.dll built? 15:35:54 hitecnologys: did you add qt to the path, besides those libs? 15:36:45 and i've actually found out that there's no 64-bit download for qt-4.8.5, how did you come by a 64-bit version? 15:37:12 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:40:50 stassats: I thought it's 32-bit because it didn't say it was 64-bit. 15:41:17 you said you had a 64-bit before 15:42:41 Nope, I didn't. I only asked if I need 32-bit one. Then I checked if they have links for both of them and they didn't had it so I thought I already have 32-bit one. 15:42:53 nialo- [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:00 ok 15:43:15 qt-5 has both, but i can't build smoke for qt-5 15:43:51 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:27 I thought smoke doesn't support qt-5, does it? 15:44:51 it should, i just can't build it 15:45:15 i'm fed up with smoke anyhow, need to write my own 15:45:17 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:48 Hmm, OK. 15:47:25 and i got myself a windows in virtualbox, much better than that laptop 15:49:13 stassats: smoke is their language bindings layer, right? 15:49:43 oh, VMs, I would've gone crazy a long time ago if it weren't for windows in a VM 15:49:44 kde's 15:49:53 MUCH better than windows on actual hardware 15:50:05 Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:50:15 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:17 at my last windows job, I worked on a windows machine on a windows VM in virtualbox 15:50:18 puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:50:37 it was fantastic, and moving to an upgraded machine took me the time to copy over the .vdi 15:50:59 virtual machines are great indeed, when they work. 15:51:02 yeah 15:51:08 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:34 the biggest problem vbox has right now that I can think of is no support for dynamically plugged monitors 15:52:05 well, and the really unstable WDDM drivers that get worse with each versions of guest additions it seems 15:52:23 use VMware? 15:52:34 vmware works much less in my experience 15:52:49 they have an obnoxious install procedure, and their kernel modules never build 15:52:53 So far, I'm quite happy with virtual box too. 15:53:44 mathrick: in my experience they had the best binary installer ever. Yes, the modules need patching sometimes, it's a commercial product that cares about stable platforms, not every single kernel 15:53:53 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.197.246] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 15:54:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-217.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:54:40 p_l: I find it annoying in practice, and it has stupid issues like making it impossible to have workstation and player installed at the same time 15:56:21 stassats: added Qt to path, still getting the same error. 15:56:38 mathrick: doable, though a bit without sense 15:57:45 hitecnologys: check your PATH from within sbcl 15:58:21 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 15:58:26 stassats: did that, Qt is in it. 15:58:31 -!- ltsampros [~user@adsl-190.46.190.114.tellas.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:59:32 is your sbcl really 32-bit? 15:59:47 Sure. 15:59:54 Double checked it. 16:00:00 x86 16:00:57 Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:03 the /bin/ directory of qt? 16:01:19 No, lib. 16:01:44 there's your problem 16:01:52 OK 16:02:16 didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:04:06 Well, I've added bin but still getting the same error. 16:04:21 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:10:17 didi`` [~user@177.195.134.102] has joined #lisp 16:10:40 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:10:59 -!- didi`` is now known as didi 16:11:45 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:53 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:21 -!- didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12:28 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-sjuvpbkhicaafipx] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 16:12:51 stassats: how does common-qt interact with object refcounting and similars? I mean, if a function returns an object, sometimes this object is new, sometimes not. How do you tell? 16:13:02 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:56 it goes through a hashtable 16:14:53 and when it is a subobject from an object? I mean the case when a qt widget creates itself some widgets, and has a function that returns one of them (eg). 16:15:41 lisp may no longer have a reference to that object, but destroying it is wrong if there is a ref to the parent.... 16:15:54 those are currently not present coalesced 16:16:01 s/present// 16:16:43 what do you mean by coalesced? 16:16:55 there's no identity 16:17:41 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:18:12 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-240-237-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:18:25 stassats: can you elaborate? 16:19:13 prxq: https://github.com/stassats/commonqt/issues/8 16:20:45 normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-066-110.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:05 Gah, Coudn't they just have written qt in CL? 16:21:43 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 16:23:51 i experimented minimally with making a Qt UI, but the object system in CL 16:24:04 it could work well, but it's too much work 16:25:16 -!- vowyer [~vowyer@186.136.23.25] has quit [] 16:25:57 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-151-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:26:33 thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:38 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-166-157.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:29:28 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:41 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:16 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:11 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:14 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:35:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:37:00 hitecnologys: i've just used those libs myself, work fine 16:38:20 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 16:38:36 stassats: and you used Qt 4.8.5 and sbcl 1.1.12 (x86)? 16:38:42 yes 16:38:44 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:39:17 I'm an idiot then. 16:40:09 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:59 Whatever. I'll try this tomorrow again from the beginning. 16:41:28 I was able to compile and run CommonQt (on windows) fairly recently, so I can confirm that it works. 16:41:55 It was a hassle to get it all to compile though. 16:43:40 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:46 easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has joined #lisp 16:43:50 tarailo [b2de77e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.119.233] has joined #lisp 16:43:53 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:17 didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:44:45 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:18 -!- tarailo [b2de77e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.119.233] has left #lisp 16:46:40 -!- didi [~user@177.195.134.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:47:37 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48:28 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:30 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:45 didi`` [~user@177.195.134.102] has joined #lisp 16:49:05 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:21 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:49:59 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:17 -!- didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:14 here it is in action http://i.imgur.com/tPugTmU.png 16:52:14 Looks quite ugly. 16:52:32 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:55:00 it doesn't match exactly windows look 16:55:12 fredmorcos [~fredmorco@cm56-209-5.liwest.at] has joined #lisp 16:55:13 maybe 5 gets it better 16:57:33 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:59 madrik [~user@122.168.169.251] has joined #lisp 16:58:33 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:33 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 17:01:10 -!- fredmorcos [~fredmorco@cm56-209-5.liwest.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:01:11 -!- normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-066-110.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:13 -!- sword [~user@c-24-21-33-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:52 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 17:06:17 chenjf1 [~chenjf@175.43.125.78] has joined #lisp 17:06:28 -!- gko_ [gko@114-32-172-194.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:07:05 -!- chenjf [~chenjf@58.254.172.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:07:23 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:08:32 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:09:11 -!- thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 17:09:29 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:37 vircures [~vircures@65.23.122.2.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:37 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:41 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:02 <|JRG|> any CL PING library? 17:11:14 <|JRG|> just wondering, I know I can RUN-PROGRAM it.. 17:13:17 -!- didi`` is now known as didi 17:16:38 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 17:16:40 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:17:04 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:17:32 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:14 would require a pretty low-level access to network, wouldn't it? 17:18:40 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162.204.145.159] has joined #lisp 17:19:14 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:27 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:20:49 thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:40 <|JRG|> so sometimes, if the implementation itself doesn't offer such a feature, CFFI is the only option? 17:23:07 -!- thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:15 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:59 Jeif [~other@188.162.65.97] has joined #lisp 17:25:02 pcoder [52434d21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.67.77.33] has joined #lisp 17:25:02 hi 17:25:18 hi 17:25:45 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162.204.145.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:53 how can exit from infitite loop from another function, e.g (loop (foo)), i want foo be able to stop that outer loop. 17:26:04 hi I would like to know the difference between &aux and &key type parameters. Could anybody explain this please? 17:26:10 pcoder: (return ...) 17:26:35 thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:37 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:44 didi: did not get that? 17:26:48 didi: you mean if i have return in foo then foo will break outer loop? 17:27:25 no 17:27:43 block and return have lexical scope 17:27:47 Jeif: you may throw a symbol ie 17:28:10 and catch it outside of the loop 17:28:29 Right. I responded too quickly without proper understanding the question. 17:28:45 you don't have to use non local exits, you can just do (loop while (foo)) 17:28:56 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:02 jk121960 [~jk121960@108-89-22-112.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:21 yeah, i think you're right 17:29:27 thanks 17:29:54 -!- Jeif [~other@188.162.65.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:29:59 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:38 pcoder: &aux is like `let'. 17:31:13 let*, actually 17:31:36 didi: I don't understand the need to use it? Could you clarify with a simple example? 17:31:38 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:31:55 Argh, sorry. I'm too weak today. I'll shut up for now. 17:32:03 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:29 didi: may the force be with you ^_^ 17:32:43 jackdaniel: :^D 17:32:44 pcoder: there's no need 17:33:01 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:34:03 stassats: thanks for the answer. But what does it signify? 17:34:14 the only barely legitimate use is in boa-constructors, but you shouldn't worry about such things 17:35:35 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:30 |JRG|: https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/blob/master/extras/ping.lisp 17:39:28 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 17:40:14 <|JRG|> fe[nl]ix: thank you, but iolib seems linux only, isn't it? 17:40:26 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 17:41:23 I think raw sockets are Linux-only 17:41:32 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@49.84.191.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:09 nilsi_ [~nilsi@49.84.191.127] has joined #lisp 17:42:25 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:50 <|JRG|> I think bindings for the pcap lib exist 17:43:23 STilda [bca2a71b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.27] has joined #lisp 17:44:05 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:44:43 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:49 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:34 Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:36 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:18 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@49.84.191.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:59 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:51:40 |JRG|: http://www.cl-user.net/asp/5Hz8/sdataQISH-sUlSG8vDQ3l8HMX8yBX8yBXnMq=/sdataQu3F$sSHnB== 17:51:47 PLOKAMI - Common Lisp PCAP Interface 17:53:13 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:09 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:17 <|JRG|> flip214: yes, in fact I used that in the past to dump pcap files out of a user-space tcp/ip implementation... I was merely referring to the fact that raw ethernet is not linux only 17:54:19 -!- d2biG is now known as dRbiG 17:56:08 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:16 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:15 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:52 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.169.251] has left #lisp 17:59:09 oh, ok. 17:59:58 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 18:00:29 Hi Lispers. I'm giving Wookie (http://wookie.beeets.com/) a try, and I encounter the following problem: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139856 ; is this the desired behavior or is that a bug ? 18:00:44 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:01:32 (I'm not sure to fully understand what's told in the documentations of wookie and cl-async, but i've read these many times before asking here, of course) 18:05:06 -!- vircures [~vircures@65.23.122.2.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 18:05:23 -!- STilda [bca2a71b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:06:50 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 18:07:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:59 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 18:08:36 thelorax123 [~nodebot@162-204-145-159.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:51 when i use cffi and function printf's something, is there a way to see it? 18:10:18 entitativity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:21 check the *inferior-lisp* buffer 18:11:04 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:38 <|JRG|> if you use the nice slime-selector 18:12:05 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:25 C-c s is not a standard binding 18:12:45 there is no standard binding 18:12:51 <|JRG|> whoops, it's not? Isn't that the suggested one? 18:15:01 stassats: inferior-lisp says nothing, slime-events prints stuff related to invoking function, but no printf message, no emacs buffer contains what printf "prints" neither 18:15:38 <|JRG|> jackdaniel: maybe it wasn't flushed? 18:15:41 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:53 <|JRG|> does the printf call end with a newline? 18:15:57 -!- didi [~user@177.195.134.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:17:12 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 18:17:18 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-51-17.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:17:43 slime-events output http://bpaste.net/show/148457/, function http://bpaste.net/show/148460/ 18:17:50 |JRG|: nope, there is \n 18:18:12 (return value is correct, just no side-effects) 18:18:19 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 18:18:40 <|JRG|> bpaste.net is blocked here 18:18:44 so, fflush(stdout);? 18:19:21 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:21:06 stassats: worked, thanks :) 18:21:33 |JRG|: thanks too (: btw, why bpaste is blocked? 18:22:02 <|JRG|> jackdaniel: my company's firewall 18:22:21 ah 18:24:36 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 18:24:49 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:24:59 sword [~sword@c-24-21-33-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:26 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 18:26:19 segv- [~mb@95-91-240-237-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:27:30 Asgeir: i find that reading the github issues (including the closed ones) for cl-async et. al is often enlightening 18:28:16 thelorax1231 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 18:28:27 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:30:40 -!- thelorax1231 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:06 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:31:38 thelorax1231 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 18:32:05 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:33:18 thanks, i'll read that. 18:33:51 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 18:34:29 Asgeir: this is of course no comfort, but the wookie example on it's home page works just fine for me on ccl/mac 18:35:00 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@176.62.125.52] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 18:35:36 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36:05 Does SLIME use SIGPIPE to handle C-c breaks? I suspecting a foreign library is doing naughty things to my Lisp process. 18:36:17 -!- thelorax1231 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:20 entitativity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:23 thelorax1231 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 18:37:23 bhyde: i think that's because in this example, wookie:*error-handler* is not bound to some error handling function 18:38:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:39:30 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:40 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 18:40:51 Asgeir: If you follow the example of the project homepage does it work? 18:41:20 Better try it directly. How can I reset the handler for SIGPIPE in SBCL? 18:42:50 Asgeir: ? "*error-handler* must either be nil, or a lambda/function that takes exactly one argument." 18:44:14 http://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/#cpp-dependecies now has binaries for windows 18:44:35 bhyde: this is cl-async's *error-handler* ; wookie's *error-handler* takes two arguments 18:44:52 OK, I found `sb-unix::enable-interrupt'. 18:45:00 Asgeir: good point 18:45:27 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46:58 damnit 18:47:14 didi: are you sure you want to do that? 18:47:45 the homepage example now raises the same error 18:47:51 it wasn't the case yesterday 18:48:06 oh, I say some crap. 18:48:35 my previous example has bound wookie:*error-handler*. 18:49:19 the wookie/error.lisp thinks it takes two arguments, the doc in wookie/config.lisp says it takes one  but such is life 18:49:32 stassats: I am not. But this library is harshing my mellow. I'm trying (sb-unix::enable-interrupt sb-unix:sigpipe #'sb-unix::sigpipe-handler) now. 18:49:38 I confirm the homepage example doesn't raises the error. 18:50:14 I've yet to figure out exactly what my responsiblities are when unwinding an event-loop; so get situations with tcp connections still running and listeners still listening 18:51:40 i've not played with wookie before a few minutes ago though, i've been toying with cl-async directly 18:57:37 stassats: Do you foresee a problem with it? Because it seems I need to call this form after every foreign call to guarantee I still can break. 18:59:24 sb-thruption handles sigpipe specifically 18:59:26 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 18:59:46 it's not enabled by default anywhere, but it might be in the future 18:59:50 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:00:38 [Hermit] [~hermit@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 19:03:18 Asgeir: i added a error handler, still works j.mp/ben-share 19:03:20 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9FFD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:50 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:03:59 -!- [Hermit] is now known as Hermit 19:04:00 stassats: oic. That's unfortunate. Can I give the control back to SBCL safely? I can't prevent this foreign library from touching SIGPIPE. 19:04:12 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:48 it says "The handler (RUN_INTERRUPTION) just returns if there is nothing to do so it's safe to receive spurious SIGPIPEs coming from the kernel." 19:07:49 -!- hugod [~user@70.24.181.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09:14 so, you should be alright 19:09:25 Ufs. That's a relieve. 19:11:33 i actually got it backwards with respect to the features, it's only not used on sb-thruption 19:11:48 so, if you're on linux, you can try using sb-thruption 19:12:13 wait 19:12:21 i may have got it backwards twice 19:13:13 well, it's used in both 19:13:29 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:06 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:17 bhyde: ok, thanks ; thus it's a problem related to my computer. What do you mean by "j.mp/ben-share" ? 19:16:09 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-88-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:18:18 -!- guaqua` is now known as guaqua 19:19:10 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 19:19:34 stassats: I'll take a look at sb-thruption, but I don't know what it is. Well, I don't really know what all this is too. I just discovered that I'm losing C-c and I'm trying to get it back. 19:20:15 sb-thruption allows you to interrupt without sending signals and at safe points in the code 19:20:20 except for foreign code, that still uses sigpipe 19:21:29 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 19:21:53 This foreign library doesn't seem to use SIGPIPE for anything. 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Seems like a match made in heaven, doesn't it? 20:35:34 So a lisp operating environment (not to be confused with Sabett's LiCE) on x86 actually seems really plausible in that respect. 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any particular reason why (read-delimited-list ...) won't work with #\Newline as endchar? 21:35:11 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-125-176.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:35:32 It should work. 21:36:57 ok, i found it, sorry for bothering. 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