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[a2c349a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.195.73.161] has joined #lisp 05:21:30 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 05:23:12 Hi, I'm just starting to learn LISP and was wondering why I'm running into an infinite loop here http://paste.lisp.org/display/139811 05:23:36 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 05:24:11 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:24:32 Pyuruku: When do you expect the loop to exit? 05:24:41 when i reach the end of the list, sellout- 05:24:48 or end of y 05:25:05 i assume the null p is the wrong termination 05:25:29 Pyuruku: But you never walk across y. 05:25:47 sellout-: isnt that accomplished by car cdr y? 05:26:02 oh 05:26:06 Pyuruku: No, because the y is always the same. 05:26:12 yeah.. 05:26:13 hm 05:26:15 So you always get the same value back. 05:26:20 Cool. 05:29:39 Pyuruku: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139811#1 05:29:49 Also is it a good practice or in general good style to have my do loop in the true condition if I want to ensure y is not empty / nil? 05:30:00 Oh, I guess you need a case for (not listp), but still. 05:30:01 -!- wolgo [~jarrod@198.211.101.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:30:02 Pyuruku: it is good style to never use do 05:30:18 H4ns: im aware, this is a spec definition though 05:30:26 Pyuruku: so? 05:30:33 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:30:46 H4ns: meaning i must use do for the problem prompt im solving 05:30:58 Pyuruku: m( 05:31:15 Pyuruku: your teacher is a lisp hater, right? 05:31:16 wolgo [~jarrod@198.211.101.128] has joined #lisp 05:31:37 id think the opposite, at least indifferent 05:31:48 ive written the same function recursively and with 'mapcar' already 05:31:49 -!- francis_wolke [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:31:52 now im writing it iteratively 05:32:06 Pyuruku: "iteratively" or "with do"? 05:32:16 iteratively by using either go or do 05:33:03 i see. i'd use go then :) 05:33:27 (honestly i am having a bit of a hard time understanding all of this) 05:33:38 I'm not even sure how go would look 05:33:45 I'm attempting do since we went over that in class 05:34:38 sellout-: yay my mapcar implementation looks exactly like that! 05:34:43 so im not doing too terrible of a job... 05:36:48 -!- vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 05:37:56 Pyuruku: Just a style hint  dont put ) on their own lines. 05:38:11 :o 05:38:11 The indentation will tell you whats in what. 05:38:43 Pyuruku: In fact, I use syntax highlighting to make the parens almost invisible. 05:39:22 Looks like Python, but without all the problems. 05:39:43 jenia [~user@modemcable112.235-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 05:39:49 helo. 05:39:49 I tend to get lost with stuff like ))))))))), hence the )s on seperate lines 05:40:02 Pyuruku: that's why you use editor help for that 05:40:06 Pyuruku: Oh, wait  are you actually typing those? 05:40:18 i head that RMS said that other languages, like python for example, dont really have a REPL 05:40:18 sellout-: yes? erm... 05:40:23 i wonder what he meant 05:40:44 Pyuruku: What editor do you use? 05:40:44 cna somone suggest an article that really explain the difference between a REPL in lisp and 05:41:02 sellout-: currently vim in a ssh session 05:41:06 another Python Interpreter Shell 05:41:11 Pyuruku: well, essentially everyone who uses lisp uses an editor that at the very least lets you match parens 05:41:12 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host164.181-1-200.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:41:21 jenia: no idea what he was smoking again 05:41:32 Pyuruku: Ah, ok. Im sure theres something in vim thatll handle parens for you, not sure what it is, though. 05:41:43 hehe. comeone RMS is a genius 05:41:52 tbh I think i can manage for now... I don't think ill be doing anything complicated 05:41:52 come on* 05:41:53 iirc ViM's % command could do something related? 05:42:25 jenia: It's been long time now that I've lost my boyish fan worship of RMS. 05:44:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:45:02 jenia: he might be talking about how REPL was about the (loop (print (eval (read)))), and it being a bit more complex sometimes, but I really see no issue he could see there 05:45:42 jenia: maybe you should ask him if you don't understand what he writes. this is not an "explain rms" channel :) 05:46:05 i know that he was one of the first ones to adhere to the culture of programming that is in use in a lot of projects. I'm talking about all the copy left licenses. he also wrote the editor im using 05:46:08 ;) 05:47:28 jenia: more like he was a bit extremist in keeping the culture of MIT-AI lab, which is iirc kinda older than him 05:48:56 physicists, chemists, doctors are more extreme. they share all the knowledge. its only programming where its an issue. mostly 05:49:29 jenia: that is so untrue 05:49:40 jenia: If they shared all their knowledge, medicine might be a bit cheaper. 05:50:10 open culture in medicine is a fascinating topic which is not that of this channel 05:50:38 if they did it would be. in recent years event genes were patented... 05:50:39 neither is software licensing in general 05:50:48 even* 05:51:18 yes you;re right. hehe. 05:51:27 *p_l* meanwhile needs to take the task of making his laptop run hotter 05:52:09 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 05:52:17 my fingers are freezing 05:53:03 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@223.197.71.5] has joined #lisp 05:55:28 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-nkubnnglptvkqtnp] has joined #lisp 05:59:31 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-168-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:57 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.77.67] has joined #lisp 06:03:40 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:16 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 06:06:33 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:08:02 jenia: That's really not true -- scientists these days have a big problem about sharing negative information. 06:08:19 jenia: And also a lot of scientific results turn out to be unreproducable -- i.e., spam. 06:09:11 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:09:46 The issue regarding software is that it is generally produced as work-for-hire, and so owned by a company. 06:10:12 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:14:23 a lot of scientific research gets the "revenue" from being published, too - so in essence the "binary" of it is the paper 06:23:37 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-zuvqnulgokxdsdzd] has joined #lisp 06:24:43 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:26:01 Yes, science is becoming more like software in that regard -- and you can see open source movements in science as well. 06:30:59 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:34:35 -!- notori0us [~irc@osuosc/notori0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:35:13 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:53 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.77.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:36:14 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:38:23 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:38:39 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:39:14 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:15 -!- syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:39:15 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 06:39:46 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:40:03 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 06:40:32 irc2 [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 06:40:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:43:48 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 06:44:04 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 06:45:01 -!- irc2 [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:27 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:47 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 06:53:09 irc2 [~irc@ipv6.notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 06:53:17 binghe [~chatzilla@220.191.186.26] has joined #lisp 06:55:42 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 06:56:49 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:57:04 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 06:58:56 -!- binghe [~chatzilla@220.191.186.26] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [SeaMonkey 2.22/20131028182244]] 06:58:59 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00:05 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:14 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:16 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:19 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 07:02:05 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 07:03:02 -!- irc2 [~irc@ipv6.notoriouscw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:05 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:05:50 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@223.197.71.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:12 irc2 [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 07:08:20 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-225-109-69.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:08:36 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:09:38 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:09:39 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:12:30 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:29 If I have (a 1 b) and (a 2 b) is it possible to achieve ((a 1 b) (a 2 b)) via cons? Its currently giving me ((a 1 b) a 2 b) and after googling a bit I understand why 07:15:45 perhaps append would be the better option? 07:15:54 Consider (cons 1 2) and (cons 1 (cons 2 nil)) 07:16:43 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:16:51 arent those equivalent 07:16:52 ? 07:17:37 Pyuruku: use the repl to find out 07:19:01 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:00 kcj_ [~casey@118-93-53-83.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:21:13 so the first is [1|2] the second is [1|-->[2|/]] 07:21:17 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:23 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-nkubnnglptvkqtnp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:21:25 or 1 . 2 and 1 2 07:21:36 hmm 07:21:38 Pyuruku: don't invent new notation. 07:21:44 ? 07:22:03 [|] don't use that. use s-expressions to express s-expressions. 07:22:11 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:22:12 (if you're trying to discuss here) 07:22:24 im just trying to visualize what its doing... 07:22:37 s-expressions are fine for that. learn them. 07:22:52 -!- kcj_ [~casey@118-93-53-83.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:09 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 07:23:10 (cons 1 2) => (1 . 2) (cons 1 (cons 2 nil)) => (1 . (2 . nil)) or (1 2) 07:23:39 so to get my desired effect i would have to use cons twice then... 07:23:43 that seems a bit dirty? 07:23:46 Pyuruku: why? 07:24:02 Pyuruku: if cons is too low-level for you, try list 07:24:04 well, in real code you'd just use list, but this is homework. 07:24:17 so nothing's going to make sense and you will be filled with loathing. 07:24:17 i tried list but that kept wrapping stuff over and over 07:24:31 Pyuruku: you did not use it correctly then. 07:24:41 I should probably mention this is in a loop 07:24:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139813 07:25:08 Pyuruku: cons and list behave identically within and outside of loops. 07:25:18 -!- irc2 [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:25:35 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:25:39 (list '(a 1 b) '(a 2 b)) => ((a 1 b) (a 2 b)) 07:26:16 Yes, but in my do loop it would do something like (((a 1 b) (a 2 b)) (a 3 b)) for example 07:26:25 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:26:40 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 07:26:49 so? we can't tell what you want. do you want that or something else? 07:26:54 Pyuruku: as you've spent so much time on this unsuccessfully, why not start a new attempt with go and setf? 07:27:09 What is a linked list a list of? 07:27:24 hugoduncan [~user@70.24.181.215] has joined #lisp 07:27:26 -!- hugod [~user@70.24.181.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:30 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 07:27:31 A: links. 07:27:39 Bike I assume you clicked the link, sorry. I want something like ((a 1 b) (a 2 b) (a 3 b)). I'm currently using a do loop 07:27:40 What is a link? Here it is a cons. 07:27:40 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.38.103] has joined #lisp 07:27:51 You have two elements, so you have two links, so you have two cons ... 07:27:53 H4ns: why would I be more successful with go? 07:27:56 What seems dirty about that? 07:28:10 Pyuruku: (cons '(a 1 b) (list '(a 2 b) '(a 3 b))) 07:28:21 Pyuruku: i'm not saying that you would, but i'm suggesting that you might benefit from restarting 07:29:06 Pyuruku: sometimes it is just easier to start fresh when one is stuck, in particular when it is very little code that needs to be thrown away 07:29:26 H4ns: but in my case I wouldn't really understand how do works 07:29:36 Pyuruku: your call. 07:30:53 Bike: if im not mistaken, I have that already, but that produces something like ((((a 1 c) a 2 c) a 3 c) a 4 c) 07:31:01 you are mistaken 07:31:33 (cons res (list x (car p) z)) ?... 07:31:47 note the order 07:32:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:33:59 is the difference that im creating a list on the spot and cons-ing that and you're creating a list of already made lists? 07:34:41 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:34:59 Just switch the order of arguments to cons. 07:35:04 you're overthinking. 07:35:23 or underthinking, I don't know. Maybe take a look at Gentle or something 07:36:14 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:37:38 irc2 [~irc@ipv6.notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 07:38:14 Bike: wouldn't that leave the last element as a part of the parent list? ex ((a 1 b) (a 2 b) a 3 b)? 07:38:44 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:39:25 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:40:28 Why don't you try it and find out. 07:41:10 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-225-109-69.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 07:41:18 Bike: I already did and that was the output 07:42:03 -!- irc2 [~irc@ipv6.notoriouscw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:42:06 Start with res = (list (list x (car p) z)). So that consing to the front keeps it as a proper list. 07:42:56 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43:58 Ok that worked... I can see why iteration is frowned upon 07:44:33 the problem isn't really iteration so much as you not having a good idea of how lists work, is all. 07:45:05 right, that is true. I was speaking more to the fact that the non iteration solutions i wrote previously are much much simpler and easier to grasp :| 07:45:31 I suspect it's because you don't understand what a cons is yet. 07:45:38 That's why you find it hard to grasp. 07:46:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:48:30 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:41 Isnt it just changing the tail pointer for the first element to point at the head of the second element? 07:49:03 nothing is changed at all 07:49:32 well, the variable binding is, but no "pointers" 07:51:04 Pyuruku: why don't you do yourself a favor and read up on cons cells and lists and how they relate? it is so much easier to help you if you expose some understanding of the underlying technology and terminology. 07:51:47 my current understanding is that lists are in a linked list format, is that incorrect?... 07:51:51 Pyuruku: there are so many documents on the internet that do just that. look at this for example: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/lisp/cons/ 07:52:15 Pyuruku: you need to know what a cons cell is and how it relates to lists. 07:52:32 Pyuruku: it is very simple, but you need to understand it. 07:52:49 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 07:53:01 right this cell stuff is what i was trying to draw via ascii earlier 07:53:15 Pyuruku: read. every. sentence. 07:56:31 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:57:32 irc2 [~irc@ipv6.notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 07:58:02 Okay, well thanks for all of the help guys, I know how annoying it is to deal with newbies. 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10:17:56 ^that's what I meant, but I wasn't able to express myself clearly. 10:19:27 alpha-: notice that in the LISP of the origins (including LISP 1.5), 0 = false = NIL = (); But soon enough, 0 became true and different from NIL = false = (). 10:20:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:21:58 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar-vm3.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:22:16 balle [~balle@pulsar-vm3.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 10:23:39 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:23:50 In scheme which came later, NIL, false = #f and () are all different. This is most inconvenient. 10:23:58 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 10:24:08 mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:24:11 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24:28 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 10:24:54 I'm not a fan of 0 = false, so I'm glad that got dropped. 10:25:09 how can 0 not be false 10:25:25 Because 0 is an integer? 10:25:29 mind blown! 10:25:58 alpha-: if you go that route, why not make the empty string "" also false. and the empty hashtable? etc. 10:26:43 mal___: if you want javascript, you know where to find it 10:26:44 I like that Scheme way better though. #t: true, #f: false 10:28:42 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar-vm3.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:29:04 balle [~balle@pulsar-vm3.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 10:31:22 alpha-: at first "everything that is not cl:nil is true" seemed weird to me too, but then I got used to it and now it seems extremely suitable. 10:31:51 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:31:54 which symbols denote truth and falsehood are arbitrary definitions. the quality of those definitions is just determined by how good (close to reality) they integrate in the common use of the language. for C it is quite reasonable to take 0 as falsehood symbol because it is adequately reflected by the use of the language. 10:32:38 spacefrogg: indeed. 10:33:24 #define TRUE FALSE 10:33:34 to have empty lists as falsehood in lisp is comforting. and that falsehood can be a list and and atom is too. 10:33:59 Shinmera: AFAIR, there's no such things like FALSE and TRUE in pure C. 10:34:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:35:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35:08 mal___: that said, NIL could be accepted as an empty hashtable and an empty string too. (princ nil) would not print anything, (gethash :hi nil) --> nil, nil; etc. 10:35:14 just like (car nil) --> nil 10:35:17 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 10:35:31 and just like (concatenate 'string "abc" nil "def") --> "abcdef" 10:35:58 hitecnologys: C99 specifies true as 1 and false as 0. 10:36:08 and thats where you'd want (+ 42 nil) --> 42 (which proves that nil = 0, and (* 42 nil) --> 42 which proves that nil = 1 10:36:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:36:43 Which is, IMO, the reason why nil  0 and nil  1, because that otherwise that would lead to those contradictions. 10:36:43 Shinmera: ah, OK then, I haven't fully read this version of specs yet. 10:37:03 Neither have I, I googled and found a SO answer. 10:37:41 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:37:44 hitecnologys: Of course there is, otherwise you could not express conditions 10:37:48 if you don't have true and false, you can't have if etc. 10:37:55 Now, actually the problem is that all programming languages, if they have a boolean type, conflate it with tests for conditionals. 10:38:09 z0d: my CPU doesn't have true or false 10:38:18 only some pesky flags 10:38:25 In fact, there's no reason why (if a-boolean-value then else) should work. 10:38:33 stassats: it can decide on boolean conditions 10:38:49 stassats: is it has to have some notion of truth and falsehood 10:38:57 spacefrogg: no, that's not what I tried to say. I meant that there's no TRUE and FALSE "symbols" and 1 and 0 used as true and false. 10:39:00 In a way, you can see it when you look at the assembly code generated: there's always still a test that's being done, to set the status flag, upon which the branch is decided or not. 10:39:25 You could have a language where the type used in conditions would be user definable. 10:39:26 hitecnologys: sure no dedicated symbols. but in lisp there aren't either. 10:39:27 spacefrogg: it's just "flag set/flag not set" 10:39:41 yeah, true or false 10:39:51 stassats: i find that a quite reasonable definition of true and false. 10:39:53 spacefrogg: sure, but there are in Scheme and in C++ and in some other languages. 10:40:01 In the case of CL, you can easily (shadow 'if) and (defmacro if (cond then &optional else) ) and implement whatever test you want on the value of cond. 10:40:11 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:14 So you can define 0 and "" to be false if you want. 10:40:21 but it's several flags 10:41:02 it's not true or false, it's, was the result of the last operation zero, did it overflow? 10:41:06 And it's not lisp way. 10:41:28 etc. 10:41:33 no dedicated boolean datatype in your cpu, i acknowledge that 10:41:34 you could use 'EARTH-IS-FLAT as a 'false' value. 10:41:37 Instead of (if (not (and t (or t nil))) ), you can write (if (zerop (lognot (logand -1 (logior -1 0)))) ) 10:41:41 -!- segmondx [~segmond@adsl-108-67-103-0.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:41:44 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 10:41:57 ah, notice that for the log* functions, 0 is "false", but it's -1 that's "true" :-) 10:42:14 -!- hugod is now known as Guest96618 10:42:16 prxq: you must prove this first. 10:42:29 or just make it an axiom 10:42:29 hitecnologys: Nope, he defines it, remember? 10:42:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:01 Shinmera: yeah, this approach works too. 10:43:03 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:43:46 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:44:37 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.116] has joined #lisp 10:47:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:47:59 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 10:48:01 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 10:48:16 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:52:56 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:53:19 hitecnologys_ [~hitecnolo@178.74.96.60] has joined #lisp 10:54:27 segmondx [~segmond@172.56.2.80] has joined #lisp 10:56:43 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.38.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:58:28 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-cx-mapped-0008.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: BBL] 10:58:31 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:58:57 -!- hitecnologys_ is now known as hitecnologys 10:59:40 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:44 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-0-67.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:01:36 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:01:51 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 11:03:41 -!- segmondx [~segmond@172.56.2.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:04:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:06:59 iolib tutorial says that one should mix multiplexer and threading. But when should I prefer using multiplexer and when should I use threads? 11:07:33 I think you forgot a "not" 11:07:44 Ah, yeah. 11:07:52 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:08:14 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:08:16 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 11:08:20 ,clhs downcase-string 11:08:33 clhs string-downcase 11:08:33 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_stg_up.htm 11:08:46 hitecnologys: independent threads would be easier to program with than multiplexing. But for heavy duty, threads don't scale as well as multiplexing. 11:08:48 hitecnologys: if you don't plan to have more than 10-20 concurrent clients, threads are ok and somewhat simpler to use 11:09:07 hitecnologys: so if you start to have on the order of 1000s of connections, think about multiplexing. 11:09:40 echo-area [~user@123.120.242.102] has joined #lisp 11:09:50 So, if < 100 connections -- threading, > 100 -- multiplexer, right? 11:09:58 just realited that string-downcase and friends take a string designator. ie. you can pass it a symbol; no need for symbol-name 11:10:39 (100 is just a random relatively small number) 11:11:18 I'd push threads a little higher, but then, I've got 24 GB of ram on my system 11:11:50 OK, thanks ogamita and fe[nl]ix. 11:12:11 ogamita: desktop ? 11:13:25 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:15:34 jk121960 [~root@108-89-22-112.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:16:22 segmondx [~segmond@adsl-108-67-103-0.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:17:16 workstation, yes. 11:17:24 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:17:36 It's nice to run virtual machines too :-) 11:18:43 hitecnologys: just a warning that reworking from one model to another might be pretty hard in typical cases 11:20:39 p_l: yeah, I'm pretty sure it's hard so I'd better use multiplexer. 11:20:39 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:55 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:21:10 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 11:21:12 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:22:27 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:00 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 11:23:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 11:25:02 hitecnologys: have threads, each with a multiplexer 11:25:09 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:27:32 clmsy_ [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 11:27:45 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28:38 stassats: isn't it crazy? 11:29:24 not really 11:29:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:29:52 But that's certainly much harder to implement. 11:30:38 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:47 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 11:34:18 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:34:56 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:36:33 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:01 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:37:37 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:38:13 hitecnologys: it's not harder to implement, only it relies on a less buggy kernel. 11:38:34 being able to call select or poll in parallel from different threads. 11:39:30 LoicLisp [~loic@209.15.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:40 Hm, maybe I'll implement this later but definitely not today. 11:42:01 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:46:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:47:04 vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:48:33 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:30 k0001 [~k0001@host100.190-136-197.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 11:52:38 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-177-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:56:38 antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has joined #lisp 11:58:27 sc00fy [scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 11:58:43 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:59:26 Does anyone have experience with cl-async? I'm trying to make a simple telnet client, but https://gist.github.com/Munksgaard/6cbafd7fcc1baf63d0bf doesn't work. What's going on? 11:59:50 try flushing the stream 11:59:50 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:55 clhs finish-output 11:59:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_finish.htm 12:00:28 or it may have its own way to flush 12:05:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:14 stassats: Hm, I have a previous version that uses streams, but inserting a finish-output doesn't help. 12:05:16 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 12:05:16 -!- clmsy_ [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:17 nilsi_ [~nilsi@49.84.191.161] has joined #lisp 12:05:49 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:06:05 keen___ [~blackened@pdf879751.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:06:48 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-19-156.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:07:12 -!- keen__ [~blackened@pdf8793ab.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping 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14:11:00 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:11:38 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11:56 pavelpenev: that video is awesome 14:12:05 in an awkward way, of course 14:12:08 Indeed 14:17:41 -!- ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:19 -!- echo-are` [~user@123.120.242.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:06 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@185-153.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:15 Can we see it somewhere? 14:21:15 -!- quasisan1 is now known as quasisane 14:23:57 echo-area [~user@123.120.245.118] has joined #lisp 14:24:11 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:26:33 antoszka: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 14:26:40 thx! 14:27:24 what was especially cool was when they debugged a telephone conversation, I saw the video before I learned about common lisp conditions, 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15:14:39 and the two callers, in find-component and operate, check whether the component is null first 15:14:57 the problem is in your invocation of find-system above. 15:15:10 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:15:17 did you make it up, or get it from somewhere? That somewhere has a bug. 15:15:44 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:15:58 can you just take a look at the version-satisfies method? 15:16:06 what about it? 15:16:11 the bloody gitweb on cl.net can't allow me to link to a line 15:16:13 yes, I've looked at it, it's correct 15:16:23 ok, i'll paste it 15:16:40 in component.lisp 15:16:51 see how it's specialized on the first argument? 15:16:52 Fare: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139819 15:17:02 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:19 (version-satisfies (component-version c) version) 15:17:24 (typep nil 'component) ==> nil 15:17:52 so this method doesn't apply to your case 15:18:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-19-156.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:26 oh goddammit, that's what i'm telling you, you're not checking for null 15:18:34 only for slot-boundp 15:19:00 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:19 oh 15:19:55 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:03 ok, sorry, I'm dumb 15:21:22 sheesh, you guys, I'm not sure it's even possible tohave a more non-communicative conversation. 15:21:26 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-125-176.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22:03 I suppose at some point a :initform was added, and this code became incorrect 15:22:07 my apologies 15:22:17 foom: eventually-communicative conversation 15:22:18 foom: well, it was split two hours apart, maybe that's why 15:22:45 we're using weak consistency guarantees. 15:23:11 stassats: thanks a lot and sorry for the bug 15:23:44 the line i pasted is enough to show it: (asdf:version-satisfies (asdf:find-system :cffi) "0.11.0") 15:23:55 pasted first, that is 15:24:06 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 15:24:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-215.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:24:52 -!- alabaster is now known as betabloker 15:24:56 -!- betabloker is now known as alabaster 15:25:25 -!- gko_ [~gko@192.161.167.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:25:43 gko_ [gko@114-32-172-194.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:37 or another system without a version, which cffi is for me 15:27:02 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 15:27:20 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:53 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:29:19 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 15:29:59 ok, fixed in 3.1.0.6 15:30:53 works for me, thanks 15:31:37 could "component" in "Requested version "0.11.0" but component # has no version" be omitted? 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I'm running a demo of my browser based game and due to the unstability of it currently (and the lack of permanence requiretd at this time) I'm wanting to just run it in a while:; do sbcl ...;done type loop 16:25:56 --disable-ldb 16:25:57 --disable-debugger 16:26:11 and --lose-on-corruption 16:26:23 awesome, thanks guys 16:26:40 but maybe 200mb is too little for your game. 16:27:40 strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has joined #lisp 16:27:53 Its possible, it runs great on my home machine but my vps seems to do fine for awhile until it eventually chokes 16:28:19 I still need to keep the demo up for users to try it though, since I doubt may would clone an early alpha game off github and set up the sbcl environment and everything 16:28:24 s/may/many 16:28:25 Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:29:22 harish_ [~harish@175.156.247.44] has joined #lisp 16:29:52 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 16:30:29 -!- harish 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(loop do (with-continue (do-something) (continue) (not-done))) 17:23:40 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 17:24:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:24:23 can't use the continue name 17:24:39 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:52 Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:27:29 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:29:06 -!- zenoli_ is now known as zenoli 17:29:11 Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:29:51 -!- ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:29:59 -!- Guest96618 is now known as hugod 17:30:10 ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:29 -!- hugod is now known as Guest49982 17:31:02 -!- ahungry_ 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Yet :-( 18:34:02 Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 18:34:21 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:35:15 -!- masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:36:16 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:22 http://try-hy.appspot.com/ a terrible lispy-like language... is there a web-repl out there for any CL implementation? 18:37:29 Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:38:34 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 18:41:26 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:41 -!- LoicLisp [~loic@209.15.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:36 masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has joined #lisp 18:43:12 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 18:43:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:43 Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:44:00 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:45:09 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 18:47:05 -!- masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has quit [Client Quit] 18:47:09 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:34 j_king, there are plenty of web repls out there for lisp implementations. 18:48:54 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 18:49:16 Fare: hard to google for I guess. 18:49:29 Fare: just curious. 18:49:50 http://repl.it/languages 18:49:57 Fare: You see my XCVB issue from earlier? 18:50:22 masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has joined #lisp 18:51:22 fe[nl]ix: I have another silly iolib question: what is :error event for? 18:51:48 http://www.glas-consulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37%3Aa-simple-lisp-web-repl&catid=17%3Asoftware&Itemid=49&lang=en 18:52:14 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:16 sellout-, wow, no, I haven't seen any xcvb issue today 18:52:17 -!- sc00fy [scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:53:31 Fare: I grabbed the newest XCVB release that included dependencies (0.596), but `make install` fails with http://paste.lisp.org/display/139823 18:54:07 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:54:10 (thats with SBCL HEAD as of yesterday) 18:54:15 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:54:58 fe[nl]ix: iolib related question* 18:55:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:55:50 l_ [~l_@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:56:44 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 18:58:15 -!- l_ [~l_@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 19:03:13 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:03:22 Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:04:22 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 19:04:40 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 19:05:31 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.223.179] has joined #lisp 19:05:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:05:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:06:17 sellout: oh, 0.596 is old and broken by dependencies 19:06:28 can you try the latest from git? 19:06:42 or, I can try to make a release... 19:07:10 Shinmera [~linus@80.77.87.239] has joined #lisp 19:07:17 Fare: Well, I grabbed the latest originally (and also the one in Quicklisp), but had other troubles getting everything to build, so I thought a release would be better. 19:07:42 the release will work if you grab it with the corresponding dependencies 19:07:49 the one in quicklisp is broken 19:08:30 ckoch` [~ckoch@131.183.18.84] has joined #lisp 19:08:31 Fare: How do you mean with the corresponding dependencies? 19:09:17 Downloading 606 non. 19:09:25 now, even 19:09:58 is elephant a decent database system? 19:10:09 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-nczsqnmcqwoovxkv] has joined #lisp 19:11:32 I suppose it is. Ian Eslick is a good guy. But never actually used it. 19:11:55 I was planning to, in XCVB, to implement a better compilation cache. 19:12:21 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:15:26 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:54 ok worth a try then 19:16:33 honestly I am tired of sql and sqlite 19:18:09 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:18:39 tell us about your experiences 19:19:19 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 19:19:38 Fare: What makes it difficult to have something like (progn (ql:quickload "xcvb") (xcvb:install :prefix "/usr/local")) work? (barring the fact that the xcvb package probably isnt available to that form) 19:20:03 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@dyn-129-97-41-230.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20:26 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:21:27 well, for one, xcvb is not stable or useful enough to be included in quicklisp: next version of quicklisp will remove it, after its last piece of general functionality has been moved out: lisp-invocation (before it, xcvb-driver's condition-control and run-program were also used by many of my libraries, but have been superseded by uiop) 19:22:17 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:43 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 19:22:45 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:23:25 -!- nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fedb:a448] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:23:26 -!- masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:28 that said, if you're interested in xcvb, I can give you a lot of hints on how to fix it or reimplement it better 19:24:47 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 19:24:54 I like XCVB, but it is always so complicated to get working that theres no way I could ever present it to a client, basically. 19:24:59 masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has joined #lisp 19:25:06 Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:25:07 Fare: reimplement it  so you think it needs to be started over? 19:25:18 Fare: Are _you_ still interested in xcvb? 19:26:18 I mean, youve put a lot of work into ASDF, which I thought was to really help an eventual transition to XCVB, but maybe you no longer think thats the right path? 19:26:28 not sure at this point - it's not going to be used at google 19:26:56 Boo1K [~other@188.162.65.40] has joined #lisp 19:26:58 and I'm trying to move out of cl for my personal hacking, too 19:27:05 hello 19:27:07 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:27:36 i'm new to common lisp, but not new to functional programming in general 19:27:41 so I probably won't be actively developing xcvb anymore 19:28:01 nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fedb:a448] has joined #lisp 19:28:12 Boo1K: you might miss proper tail calls 19:28:33 and/or first class (delimited) continuations, if you're into that. 19:28:49 Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:29:15 though most implementations actually give you ptc if you don't debug 3 and/or use special bindings at the tail call. 19:29:39 Fare: yeah, but i'm wondering about simplier concepts, let write a paste to explain 19:30:15 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:30:16 also it's a "lisp 2", so functions and variables are separate namespaces 19:30:18 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:30:45 sellout-, if you're interested in xcvb itself, or just the idea of parallelizing a lisp build, I have a lot of ideas. 19:31:02 ah, well, it's easy to explain without paste too. How can iwrite nonmutating hash insert function? 19:31:09 Fare: The thing Im most interested in is file-local dependencies. 19:31:17 afaik setf mutates things 19:31:44 sellout-, featurewise, I haven't improved xcvb since asdf 2.20 or so. 19:32:00 sellout-, have you seen asdf-package-system ? 19:32:12 Boo1K: Well, youll want a different hash-table implementation  copying a hash and changing its key is too inefficient. 19:32:32 Boo1K: You will probably want to write your own hashtable implementation. 19:32:50 Boo1K: I have one somewhere (though I dont think in QL or even Github) based on Hash Array Mapped Tries  you might look at that paper. 19:33:17 i was afraid of that 19:33:19 I have ideas of how to minimally modify asdf3 into an asdf4 that can do the things xcvb does, but that requires updating cffi, iolib, cl-protobufs, and anyone that defines useful methods on perform. 19:33:19 l_ [~l_iquidus@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 19:34:29 Fare: I have not seen asdf-package-system. I disappeared from CL for like 18 months or so, Ive probably missed a lot. 19:34:47 it feels bad that i have mutate something that i usually dont. Sorry, haskell past burns 19:35:23 so that, basically, perform is a thin wrapper around a new method perform-on that takes an environment object, and issues commands to be run in that (potentially remote) lisp environment. 19:35:42 -!- l_ [~l_iquidus@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 19:35:49 then a cross-compiling backend of asdf can issue commands on the remote environment. 19:35:56 Boo1K: Don't be afraid to mutate stuff. 19:36:59 sellout: well, in the last 18 months, I released lisp-interface-library, completely rewrote asdf2 into asdf3, reimplemented nyef's quick-build as an extension to asdf, asdf-package-system, and used it for lisp-interface-library. 19:37:21 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-68-187-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:37:24 didi: why, more you mutate harder it becames to reason about stuff 19:37:33 asdf3 contains a portable runtime, uiop (which btw could be used to make your executor library more portable) 19:37:49 Boo1K: It can be true in some situations. But not in all of them. 19:38:15 in the last 18 months, Xach issued a few quicklisp releases, there are progresses for SBCL and CCL — and even GCL was eventually released 19:38:18 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:30 l_ [~l_@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 19:38:38 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 19:38:43 BrianRice` [~water@c-24-18-219-78.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:44 my current procrastination is debugging asdf on gcl (more like, debugging gcl on asdf) 19:39:06 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:09 -!- l_ [~l_@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 19:39:20 but officially, I'm trying to build a linear lisp on top of maru, or following the same ideas. 19:39:25 Fare: Heh :D 19:39:49 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:39:49 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:29 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@184-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:40:33 oh, and we've released a snapshot of quux 19:40:36 Fare: Im on the verge of tossing external-program, just need to look at UIOP. But the impetus for external-program was that RUN and START should be separate functions, as the semantics are quite different. 19:41:07 and started a project qitab to which to migrate the useful bits of it — using the asdf-package-system thingie. 19:41:45 sellout: see uiop:run-program vs uiop:%run-program 19:41:50 didi: it's still scary, you know i've haskelled a lot recently, and i not a single thing was mutated. I'm just a bit out of my comfort zone when i have to mutate. Maybe it was just false sense of security but still... 19:41:59 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-240-255-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:00 in the latest asdf release 3.0.3 or master 19:42:10 Boo1K: I understand it. 19:42:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has left #lisp 19:42:29 Boo1K: do you never use a state monad or any such thing? 19:42:47 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:42:51 Fare: Nope, just passing state explicitly as last arg to functions 19:42:52 Boo1K, for pure hash-table, see lisp-interface-library 19:42:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:43:01 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-24-18-219-78.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:43:02 -!- BrianRice` is now known as BrianRice 19:43:28 Boo1K: its interface-passing style allows for parametric polymorphism, which will please your inner haskellite 19:43:54 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 19:44:07 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:44:49 segv- [~mb@95-91-240-255-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:45:09 Fare: wow, looks interesing, thanks. 19:47:46 antgreen [~green@out-on-138.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 19:48:02 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48:20 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:49:42 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 19:49:57 Fare: So, basically a UIOP:DEFPACKAGE form in each file? 19:50:58 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:51:19 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:51:41 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@174-30-146-228.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:52:38 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:42 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:47 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:53:56 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:55:01 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:55:03 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:56:24 Can somebody explain me this? http://paste.lisp.org/display/139827 19:56:42 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:30 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:47 yes 19:58:03 UIOP:DEFINE-PACKAGE or CL:DEFPACKAGE, as you like. 19:58:49 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:54 hitecnologys, what is there to explain? It's a queue. 19:58:59 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-138.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:59:43 hitecnologys, see a more verbose version of it in poiu.lisp 19:59:58 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:13 Fare: I don't understand how is (setf (cdr foo) (setf (car foo) (list bar))) different from (progn (setf (car foo) (list bar)) (setf (cdr foo) (list bar))). 20:00:21 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00:35 remember: you must manage both head and tail. 20:00:40 Fare: Do you like CL? 20:00:45 the car contains one, the tail the other 20:01:00 Boo1K, I suppose. 20:01:15 Fare: err, I don't get it at all. 20:01:17 Boo1K, but I hate its limitations, including social limitations. 20:02:01 -!- xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:10 hitecnologys, ok. So imagine that the main thing is not a cons, but a struct with slots tail and head 20:02:14 implemented as a cons 20:04:18 -!- ckoch` [~ckoch@131.183.18.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:18 so (cdr foo) means head, and (car foo) means tail. 20:04:57 where tail == the last cons cell in the queue. 20:05:30 Why can't we make (cdr foo) tail and (car foo) head? 20:05:58 sure, you can, but then, the result is uglier when printing foo 20:06:22 Why? 20:06:45 I thought that (1 2 3) is prettier than ((2 3) 1). 20:06:49 ((last-elem) 1 2 3 4 last-elem) vs ((1 2 3 4 last-elem) last-elem) 20:07:16 that's a very minor point. The two are equivalent. 20:07:26 just don't mix your brushes 20:07:28 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:08:37 Ah, I got it. The whole idea of this queue is to work like list+push/pop but store items as if we were appending them? 20:09:01 Appending to the end, I mean. 20:09:30 it's a queue -- you add elements at the tail, you remove at the head. 20:09:34 i can't get M-s for paredit work in slime repl, are there any workarounds for that? 20:09:53 FIFO, not LIFO 20:10:01 -!- Adeon [~valaat@109.73.169.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:08 Ah, now I understand. 20:10:16 Thank you very much, Fare. 20:10:21 that's $15 20:10:26 Adeon [~valaat@109.73.169.52] has joined #lisp 20:11:18 (pay-to :Fare (make-instance 'Money :amount 15.0 :currency :dollars)) 20:11:27 :) 20:11:43 seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b011:b3c4:5056:6579:4079:bcc1] has joined #lisp 20:12:05 (make-instance 'Money :amount 1.0e15 :currency :dollars) 20:12:30 I wish I could make money like this in real world. 20:14:26 hitecnologys / Fare: This might help http://tl.gsfsystem.ch ;) 20:14:32 (check the source link) 20:14:41 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-226-63-233.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:14:48 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:03 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:15:27 sellout-: another Bitcoin? 20:15:59 <|JRG|> Boo1K: (define-key slime-repl-mode-map "\M-s" nil) 20:16:00 hitecnologys: *shrug* No idea. 20:16:22 <|JRG|> same for paredit-raise-sexp 20:16:46 <|JRG|> add that to the slime-repl-mode-hook 20:18:03 <|JRG|> that is, if you you use splice and raise more often then regex searches... (which is likely) 20:18:15 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.90.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:22 |JRG|: (add-hook 'slime-repl-mode-hook (lambda () (define-key ...))) ? 20:19:05 <|JRG|> yup 20:19:13 |JRG|: Thank you! 20:19:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-215.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:35 <|JRG|> or, simply define a function with all your ovverides and add that one 20:22:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 20:23:03 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:33 sellout-, what is it backed by? And how will it avoid the fate of e-gold? 20:25:52 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:27:02 Fare: I have no idea  ask wws. 20:28:06 maybe we should launch a currency backed by parentheses. 20:28:33 s/we/someone/ 20:28:49 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 20:29:56 Good night, people. 20:30:12 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.96.60] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 20:30:16 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:40 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 20:30:55 cory786 [~cory@PAT99.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 20:31:23 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6bdde.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:38 prxq [~mommer@x2f6bdde.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:52 is there a non-texinfo version of iolib's documentation somewhere? 20:35:30 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:35 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:37:10 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:38:15 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 20:40:23 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 20:40:45 how do people figure out how to use iolib? 20:41:03 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 20:41:07 the tutorial isn't building, and the docs aren't reacting to make 20:41:17 just use the source? 20:41:24 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 20:43:08 prxq: I use the source 20:45:06 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has joined #lisp 20:46:53 -!- Boo1K [~other@188.162.65.40] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:47:37 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:19 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:49:10 antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-125-176.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:50:13 ah... there is a version of the tutorial on the net. http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/data/iolib-tutorial/tutorial.html 20:50:24 TDog [~chatzilla@207.114.135.132] has joined #lisp 20:50:27 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 20:50:48 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50:54 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:58 soare23 [yosoare@86.126.56.212] has joined #lisp 20:52:32 -!- soare23 [yosoare@86.126.56.212] has left #lisp 20:53:40 prxq: https://github.com/jasom/plush/blob/master/plush.lisp uses a fair amount of the os and syscall parts 20:54:17 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:54:26 LoicLisp [~loic@209.15.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:07 what would be the recommended library for linear algebra? 20:55:51 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:55:58 Denommus: last time I looked into it, there wasn't a One True LA library, but several with different strengths and weaknesses 20:56:51 Denommus: what do you want to do? 20:57:07 I use matlisp a lot. It's quite ok 20:57:19 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:57:24 prxq: and http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/manual/ 20:58:08 fe[nl]ix: thanks. That isn't linked from the main page, right? 20:58:16 prxq: mostly transformations for gamedev 20:59:09 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:59:16 malkomalko [~malkomalk@38.88.48.146] has joined #lisp 20:59:21 small dense matrices, lots of matrix vector muls? 21:00:06 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:24 fe[nl]ix: I didn't get the tutorial to compile. Any ideas why? 21:00:44 *jaimef* looks to clean up https://github.com/ober/labrat/blob/master/labrat.lisp 21:02:05 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02:12 -!- sepi [~user@2001:41d0:8:e341::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:43 -!- alabaster is now known as temp512 21:02:54 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT99.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:01 -!- temp512 is now known as alabaster 21:04:02 prxq: yes, probably only 2x2 matrices, at most 21:04:59 hi 21:05:07 stassats: are you there?? 21:05:11 maybe 21:05:12 then it makes more sense to write one yourself. Those calling out a library will incurr an overhead that will be relatively large with respect to the cost of 2x2 stuff. 21:05:24 right 21:05:53 stassats: I need to pass a structure object to a signal method, how have I to define the corrisponding signals in the dialog class? 21:06:58 signals are not well suited for passing arbitrary lisp data 21:07:21 shall I use lambda to match data? 21:07:47 i actually understand your question 21:07:53 ... 21:07:55 don't understand 21:07:59 ah ok 21:08:00 utf-8 in Emacs under Windows is hell 21:08:03 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:08:06 I still don't get it 21:09:02 foeniks [~fevon@p5499DAD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:15 stassats: I need to open a dialog with a a TableWidget. Data for this TableWidget should be loaded before show the dialog, so I decided to use a signal to trig a fill-data method 21:10:39 stassat: creation of dialog -> fill widgets -> show 21:10:53 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host125.190-137-34.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:11:38 przl [~przlrkt@p579227A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:13:12 ryankarason [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined #lisp 21:14:55 -!- LoicLisp [~loic@209.15.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:55 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@207.114.135.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15:14 and? 21:16:48 neuro_sys [~foo@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined #lisp 21:21:34 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:52 I think I have an interesting situation: I build pgloader.exe with cl-buildapp and sbcl, and when I run the .exe I keep stumbling on the same strange error (Database error: Connection to database server lost.), but when running the same code from M-x slime, I don't have the error 21:22:05 I just tried rm -rf ~/.cache/common-lisp then recompile, to no avail 21:22:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:22:49 do you save a clean image without any connections? 21:22:56 running with the #! script gives me the same error 21:23:03 stassats: I do yes 21:23:19 so it works under Emacs/Slime, it fails with #! and .exe 21:23:32 might well be the --dynamic-space-size or something like that 21:23:43 or the env 21:24:18 well might be the env, but which parts of it should I be looking at? 21:24:46 sz0 [~textual@208.72.139.54] has joined #lisp 21:24:56 the --dynamic-space-size used in cl-buildapp and M-x slime is the same 21:25:02 (4096) 21:26:50 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@38.88.48.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:36 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:28:42 you'll probably be well served in the long run if you add trival-backtrace and spit it out from your top level handler-bind 21:29:19 I did that, but with an handler-case 21:29:29 and it's not helpful 21:29:43 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.116] has quit [Quit: mc40] 21:29:47 I guess now is when I need to understand handler-bind? ;-) 21:30:47 handler case runs after the stack is unwound, handler bind let's you see the stack when the bad thing happens; so you get a useful backtrace 21:31:13 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:52 can I install a binding on the most generic condition possible, or will it run before my carefully places handler-case constructs? 21:32:24 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:51 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:57 when conditions arise a handler is sought out by searching the stack, the most recently established handler that matches will be run 21:36:48 nice, that should be exactly what I need then 21:38:08 dim: are you failing to cleanup your image before you save it and/or to restore it properly? 21:38:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p579227A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:38:25 if you use asdf's program-op, see its pre-image-dump-hook, etc. 21:38:29 I'm using cl-buildapp 21:38:47 the clean room env should be handled for me by cl-buildapp 21:38:51 przl [~przlrkt@p579227A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:39:03 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 21:39:46 at least that's my understanding of it 21:40:03 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak] 21:41:56 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.223.179] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:42:27 anybody know if i'm crazy to try and do cl-async development under slime/swank? 21:43:26 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:44:17 dim: does cl-buildapp allow you to run forms before to dump? after you restore? 21:44:45 http://www.xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ 21:46:37 interesting the handler-bind I installed is not forcing the application to quit, so I have plenty of backtraces to play with because it just continued apparently 21:46:42 you can do it manually -- have a form evaluated at the end that does cleanup 21:47:00 and you entry point be something that does reinitializations before calling the real main 21:47:02 can't be sure, the output is such that tmux won't switch to another place where to look into details 21:47:23 that whole approach requires that I know what to cleanup 21:47:43 cl-buildapp starts a fresh sbcl, quickload my program, save image 21:47:50 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:48:04 so anything I need to cleanup is something that happens at program load time or compile time, I think 21:48:20 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p579227A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:49:13 killmaster [killmaster@89.181.158.79] has joined #lisp 21:51:16 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 21:51:18 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:53:13 dim - you'd be sad if you opened a db connection at compile/load time, saved the image, and then tried to use that later when the executable started  there are other similar ways to make your self sad  i'm thinking that's what what Fare is thinking 21:53:46 yeah but that's not what happens here 21:53:47 but it wouldn't really align with your claim that you have a #!shell variant that works 21:54:09 I know because hundreds of SQL commands are executed before it fails 21:54:50 :)  you are having fun then 21:56:07 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56:59 does your connection get closed somehow? 21:57:09 what if you trace the close function? 21:57:26 or introduce a (break) 21:57:47 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57:54 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:58:02 bhyde: migrating a database with 530 tables and 1952 indexes... 21:58:37 dim: do you use international characters? and slime has a different encoding from the terminal? 21:58:40 so the "schema only" test case runs for minutes already 22:00:04 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:00:19 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:19 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 22:00:21 good question, no such thing in my code but I don't know fur sure about the mysql names in use in all those objects 22:02:24 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:03:30 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:44 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 22:03:48 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:03:52 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:05:12 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 22:05:18 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:05:33 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 22:06:18 dim: you can check sb-impl::*default-external-format* 22:06:42 from within the executable or M-x slime? 22:07:00 both, of course 22:07:02 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:02 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:07:02 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 22:07:33 yeah, of course 22:08:01 puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:08:02 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:08:51 hi. I am looking at a library (ucw) that interfaces with its backend by a stream. how do I create a binary sink stream please? 22:09:24 there is make-string-output-stream 22:09:48 puchacz: there is ediware for that 22:09:52 or iolib 22:09:53 -!- masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:09:58 ediware pls 22:10:12 trivial-gray-streams 22:10:17 thx 22:10:20 or is it flexi-streams 22:10:23 no, it's flexi-streams 22:10:26 flexi-streams is the ediware 22:10:26 ok 22:10:32 cheers 22:11:15 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [] 22:11:31 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:11:43 masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has joined #lisp 22:12:37 -!- masondesu [~textual@216.59.46.254] has quit [Client Quit] 22:13:43 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:18 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 22:18:31 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6bdde.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:42 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:19:51 stassats: :utf-8 in both cases 22:20:31 -!- seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b011:b3c4:5056:6579:4079:bcc1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:36 you can compare the whole environment 22:20:38 (sb-ext:posix-environ) 22:21:24 Control stack exhausted (no more space for function call frames). is all I get now 22:22:01 oh, because I'm so stupid, sorry 22:22:29 seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b011:b3c4:2457:b8fb:627a:4871] has joined #lisp 22:22:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:27 -!- sz0 [~textual@208.72.139.54] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:28:32 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:28:44 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: 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