00:00:00 <didi> jasom: It doesn't like long lines.
00:00:13 <jasom> didi: short lines (2 items per line)
00:00:32 <jasom> but after each change to it, it churns for about a minute
00:02:13 <jasom> verynice actually decided to renice emacs eventually
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00:08:54 <Denommus> jasom: 10k elements plist? Why not using a hash table?
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00:15:10 <jasom> Denommus: I'm passing it to (alexandria:plist-hash-table)
00:15:21 <jasom> Denommus: unless you know a better way to define a hash-table in a lisp file
00:15:53 <Denommus> jasom: ah, okay
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00:16:11 <p_l> reader macros?
00:16:14 *p_l* ducks for cover
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00:23:51 <jasom> whoops, ran ouf of heap compiling that, bumping dynamic-space-size
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00:25:10 <jasom> I maybe should change it to manually building the hash
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00:26:37 <jasom> though I'm not sure what it can be doing that is taking 6GB
00:28:27 <p_l> tons of unnecessary pointers?
00:28:50 <p_l> + possible alignment
00:29:03 <jasom> It's only 8k elements, I hit over 8GB of usage
00:29:10 <jasom> that's 1024 bytes per element
00:29:28 <jasom> does the GC not run during compilation or something?
00:29:55 <Bike> on sbcl?
00:29:59 <jasom> yeah
00:30:15 <Bike> maybe that's related to the compiler lock
00:32:01 <stassats> compiling large functions can be a bad idea
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00:32:44 <Bike> oh, that's right, i have a hundred-something-line long function somewhere that freezes sbcl when i try to compile it
00:32:50 <Bike> not something nice to have as a test
00:36:30 <jasom> It's now 4k setf's
00:36:41 <jasom> finished in about 10s with a few hundred MB of ram
00:37:42 <p_l> jasom: kinda why I was thinking of reader macro - make one that iteratively builds a hashtable
00:38:30 <jasom> p_l: It's machine generated (obviously) so I just generate the setf
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00:41:30 <stassats> can't you just have a list in a variable and iterate over it?
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00:43:08 <p_l> stassats: depends on wanted memory profile during reading/compilation, I'd say
00:44:03 <p_l> it's simple, and I have nothing against it, but depending on what I wanted to load into that hashtable it might be way too heavy on memory
00:44:52 <p_l> actually, (defvar *hashtable* #.(generate-hashtable #P"hashtable-source")) might be even better option :)
00:45:39 <p_l> with generate-hashtable a function that iterates over contents of the file (could be as simple as looped read, so you could load forms)
00:47:12 <jasom> p_l: I've done that before, but getting the path to the source file becomes a bit of a pain, so i prefer to pre-generate the source now
00:47:27 <stassats> hashtables are serializable on SBCL
00:47:33 <nightshade427> I have a macro "define-cached-function name args &body" that caches these function calls in a db. I want to be able track when each call to this macro happens so I can collect all the "name" parameters into a list so that later I can generate all the tables needed if missing at load time. How would I even go about this?
00:47:50 <jasom> stassats: lists are serializable on all lisps
00:47:52 <stassats> (let ((*print-readably* t)) (print (make-hash-table ))) => #.(SB-IMPL::%STUFF-HASH-TABLE (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'EQL :SIZE '16 :REHASH-SIZE '1.5 :REHASH-THRESHOLD '1.0 :WEAKNESS 'NIL) 'NIL)
00:48:00 <p_l> stassats: I wanted to avoid implementation-specific behaviour
00:48:14 <stassats> good for you
00:48:28 <Bike> nightshade427: there's always macroexpansion-time side effects
00:50:26 <nightshade427> How would I exploit macro expansion time side effects. Googled like crazy and couldn't find anything. So figured I would ask here. Got any links you can share?
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00:53:24 <stassats> macros are ordinary functions, you can do anything inside them
00:53:48 <Bike> nightshade427: just (push name *cached-functions*) before returning the expansion, that's all
00:54:30 <nightshade427> I do bit it says *cached-functions* is unbound
00:54:36 <nightshade427> That was what untried first
00:54:43 <nightshade427> Bit = but
00:55:03 <Bike> ...well, define *cached-functions* first
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00:56:31 <nightshade427> I did with (defvar *cached-functions*), I know I'm missing something easy.
00:57:00 <Bike> it has to be defined during compilation
00:57:58 <nightshade427> I wrapped in eval-when but didn't seem to help. How can I make it available during expansion?
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01:00:44 <stassats> (defvar *cached-functions*) also does not have any value
01:01:06 <stassats> as in, it's unbound
01:03:34 <nightshade427> Ahh man, yep used (defparameter *cache-functions* nil), worked like a charm. I must bee sleep or something. Thanks for pointing that out.
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01:04:00 <nightshade427> Bee = need, and to not use iphone with autocorrect in irc :(
01:04:04 <stassats> (defvar *cache-functions* nil) would be a better idea
01:04:19 <stassats> if you want to recompile your file without losing data
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01:25:18 <Fare> another alternative is to use reader-interception, then program your own reader syntax, COLA style.
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01:27:43 <jasom> Is it possible when in an :around method to tell if the next method is going to be :before :after :around or primary?
01:28:38 <Bike> not without mop messiness or method combinations, i think. why do you want to do that?
01:29:39 <jasom> I want to run some code in an initialize-instance after it's been created, but before the less-specific :after methods are called
01:30:20 <jasom> If it's really messy, I'll rework so that I don't have to do that
01:30:37 <Bike> well, considering it would be created in a primary method...
01:31:07 <Bike> wait, can't you just use an :after method? those go in to out, don't they?
01:31:17 <jasom> least-to-most specific
01:32:21 <jasom> specifically I'm porting some python code, and in python you must explicitly call the initializer for your parent, so there are all sorts of random orderings of initialization.  I was hoping to not have to completely reorder, but if it's what I gotta do, it's what I gotta do
01:32:58 <Bike> ah, you might be better off defining your own method combination for that
01:34:33 <jasom> Since it's just this one class heirarchy that is so bizarre, I think I'll not use initialize-instance methods at all and do everything manually in (make-foo) functions
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01:34:53 <Bike> that works too
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01:35:33 <stassats> you can't really change the method combination of initialize-instance
01:35:58 <Bike> oh. right.
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02:12:35 <loke> hello and good morning
02:12:38 <loke> good moaning
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10:28:30 <z0d> internal-time-units-per-second is architecture (and implementation) dependent I guess?
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10:31:28 <Posterdati> hi
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10:37:12 <H4ns> z0d: yes.
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10:38:10 <z0d> thanks
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13:32:16 <hitecnologys> I'm just curious, who created this channel?
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13:33:53 <stassats> minion: who created this channel?
13:33:53 <minion> king kong
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13:34:16 <hitecnologys> Cool.
13:34:35 <stassats> minion: where is king kong?
13:34:35 <minion> behind you!
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14:10:50 <hitecnologys> Hm, OK.
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14:17:41 <lispnewbie> hi
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14:19:21 <lispnewbie> I have a class with a slot whose content should be one of the predefined symbols. how should i check it?
14:20:29 <stassats> check when?
14:20:51 <stassats> specifying :type does not guarantee you any type checking
14:21:01 <lispnewbie> when an instance is made
14:21:09 <H4ns> lispnewbie: use check-type
14:21:12 <stassats> if you want to be sure, you can check in a :before initialize-instance method
14:21:17 <lispnewbie> it's not type checking, rather check if it's 'foo 'bar or 'baz
14:21:29 <stassats> lispnewbie: that's still type checking
14:21:51 <lispnewbie> yes, type checking and more :)
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14:22:08 <lispnewbie> so a :before method. thanks guys!
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14:22:37 <stassats> (defmethod initialize-instance :before ((instance class) &key slot) (check-type slot (member foo bar baz)))
14:23:20 <stassats> that still leaves (setf slot-value)
14:23:53 <lispnewbie> if the user uses setf, all bets are off
14:24:26 <lispnewbie> that slot shouldn't be set except for instance initialization
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14:27:12 <hitecnologys> lispnewbie: why do you need such check then?
14:27:56 <lispnewbie> to warn the user if he or she initialized the object with an invalid value
14:28:10 <lispnewbie> warn as in (error...)
14:28:20 <hitecnologys> If I were you, I'd just declare it with :type.
14:29:30 <stassats> hitecnologys: that wouldn't do a thing
14:29:57 <stassats> it may, if the stars are correctly aligned
14:30:20 <hitecnologys> stassats: no, that would tell those who use library which values they can use.
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14:30:42 <H4ns> hitecnologys: it would not actually enforce it, though.
14:30:47 <stassats> it may tell, but nobody will listen
14:31:20 <stassats> if there's a chance to get wrong values in, the will get in, no amount of red tape will help
14:31:20 <H4ns> hitecnologys: and if what you're getting at is ":type is documentation" then i'll tell you that a :before method is documentation as well, and has the advantage that it actually does something :)
14:32:06 <hitecnologys> Anyway, one can remove :before method or use setf.
14:32:30 <lispnewbie> or maybe I should just throw an (error ..) when I use the object and the slot value is bad
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14:33:19 <stassats> lispnewbie: it may not work if there is a delay between initialization and usage
14:33:31 <stassats> like if you store it into a database and use only in two weeks
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14:34:02 <hitecnologys> stassats: storing can be counted as usage.
14:34:15 <stassats> hitecnologys: setf can throw an error too
14:34:22 <stassats> it's just a tad more involved
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14:35:01 <stassats> in fact, using mop, you can make it enforce the :type declaration
14:35:29 <stassats> just don't tell me that "it can be removed" or "standard-instance-access can be used"
14:36:09 <hitecnologys> Nah, I'm just curious how this problem can be solved.
14:38:12 <hitecnologys> Does (declare (type foo)) guarantee anything?
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14:38:34 <stassats> no
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14:39:16 <hitecnologys> It just gives compiler a clue what this value may be?
14:40:22 <stassats> it says "you can assume that FOO is always of this type"
14:40:52 <stassats> it can give you worse safety than without declaring anything
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14:41:38 <ggole> If you want safety, see check-type
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14:42:10 <hitecnologys> OK, thanks.
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14:42:26 <ggole> ...which I see was what prompted this line of questioning in the first place
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15:12:44 <lispnewbie> laters
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15:19:03 <Posterdati> hi
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15:20:40 <dim> This SBCL does not support core compression
15:20:51 <dim> it's 1.1.13 freshly compiled on a CentOS system
15:21:04 <dim> is there some compilation option to pass down somewhere or something?
15:21:21 <stassats> sb-core-compression
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15:21:59 <dim> ok now I need to learn how to pass that option then ;-)
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15:22:32 <stassats> --with-sb-core-compression
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15:23:40 <dim> ok, other interesting options I might be interested in, as a n00b compiling for the first time or about?
15:23:57 <dim> oh, and can I haz the --with-sb-core-compression on MacOSX too?
15:24:11 <hitecnologys> dim: AFAIR, --fancy.
15:24:20 <hitecnologys> dim: it enables everything.
15:24:25 <dim> oh
15:24:26 <stassats> not everything
15:24:35 <hitecnologys> Almost evrything.
15:24:40 <dim> I'm trying with --with-sb-core-compression already, will see then
15:24:49 <stassats> only ":sb-core-compression :sb-xref-for-internals :sb-after-xc-core Plus threading on platforms which support it."
15:24:58 <dim> my goal is here just to provide for a self-contained executable
15:25:04 <stassats> that's not close to "almost"
15:25:09 <dim> and sbcl 1.0.38 is not supported by cl-buildapp
15:25:30 <dim> well I have no threading without specific make.sh options?
15:25:31 <hitecnologys> Oh, what it doesn't enable then?
15:25:47 <stassats> dim: then --fancy is not a good idea for executables then
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15:25:54 <stassats> on account of sb-xref-for-internals
15:26:09 <dim> sh make.sh --with-sb-core-compression ; will I have threading enabled on my syste?
15:26:22 <stassats> no
15:26:28 <stassats> and yes, if it's by default
15:26:59 <stassats> hitecnologys: see base-target-features.lisp-expr
15:27:17 <dim> well I sure hope it is because I make extensive use of it, thanks to lparallel (which is awesome by the way), how do I figure it out (thread support)?
15:27:35 <stassats> --with-sb-thread, naturally
15:27:45 <dim> ah ok
15:27:57 <dim> thanks
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15:29:09 <stassats> --without-sb-doc --without-sb-source-locations --without-sb-eval may also be a good idea for shipping executables
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15:29:11 <hitecnologys> stassats: OK
15:29:45 <stassats> but if you don't want to type --with... all the time like a savage, create a customize-target-features.lisp file
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15:30:00 <stassats> INSTALL no longer describes it
15:30:20 <dim> missing zlib-devel now, of course
15:31:12 <dim> I think I want source locations to be able to debug the thing in case I need to do so, because my app is listening on a swank port so that I can take control with Emacs when it runs
15:31:24 <dim> it's one of those apps that can run for a couple of months
15:31:59 <stassats> https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/89a02d3ba803a1d85d745e22b4ac05ef8cb12370/INSTALL#L169
15:32:05 <stassats> describes the old and sane way
15:32:15 <dim> it's already been running a couple of months (this summer or abouts), but from an #! script and they now want to be able to ship it more easily to other systems, etc
15:32:23 <dim> thanks
15:32:39 <stassats> sb-source-locations is only for sbcl internals
15:33:15 <stassats> actually, i don't know
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15:33:55 <hitecnologys> stassats: can you give me the link to the most up-to-date repository with sbcl code? I've probably lost it somehow.
15:34:08 <stassats> you can find on sbcl.org
15:34:09 <dim> sbcl.org I would hope
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15:34:50 <hitecnologys> Ah, OK, I'll search harder.
15:35:17 <stassats> ok, disabling disabling sb-source-locations may disable locations everywhere, for a conclusive check it needs to be rebuilt with it
15:35:51 <hitecnologys> Oops, it was on downloads page and I didn't even notice it.
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15:40:41 <dim> is there a more suitable target than quicklisp-slime-helper as an asd system dependency when one depends on swank at runtime?
15:40:59 <stassats> swank
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15:43:42 <dim> Cannot save core with multiple threads running --- oh I guess I didn't move lparallel kernel creation to the real startup, a defparameter might need to be cleaned
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18:29:39 <subtlepath> i just launched a new common lisp web app: http://www.bikefriday.com/bicycles/search
18:30:15 <subtlepath> it's a configurator for custom folding bicycles made in oregon
18:30:39 <subtlepath> the lisp part is a website, an expert system, and a rendering engine for cartoon renditions of the bikes
18:31:06 <subtlepath> because there are so many possible bike designs that we couldn't possibly photograph them all or colorize them for all the color options
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18:34:13 <j_king> subtlepath: cool! +1!
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18:35:11 <subtlepath> j_king: thanks :)
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18:42:51 <Okasu> subtlepath: Expert system? Can you elaborate on that a bit?
18:43:30 <Okasu> I mean i know what it is, just interested how did you used it there?
18:43:56 <stassats> a buzzword to sell it to the management
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18:49:43 <Posterdati> hi
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19:03:14 <LiamH> Is there a way to trace flet/labels functions in SBCL? (ref. https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/375314)
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19:05:23 <subtlepath> Okasu: it is able to determine which parts are compatible with other parts
19:05:52 <subtlepath> Okasu: every part is labelled with attributes and there is a rule system that specifies relationships between attributes, specific parts, and frame types
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19:08:02 <subtlepath> Okasu: so if you're a total bike nerd you can pick a frame type, your favorite components, and the expert system will generate--if possible--a set of working, buildable bikes with those parts
19:08:48 <subtlepath> so by 'expert system' i mean a declarative logic system
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19:10:09 <subtlepath> it can also be used for other things, such as if a manufacturer discontinues a part it can go through our 'starting point' designs and that use those parts and suggest how to update them to be working designs again
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19:18:18 <sellout-> So, Fares not here but  is XCVB still a thing? I hope so.
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19:20:07 <Okasu> subtlepath: Great, but how did you coerced customer(?) to allow you to use lisp? You know it's not that easy to replace lisp programmer as java programmer(or whatever) on one suddnly got hit by bus.
19:20:28 <Okasu> s/on/if/
19:20:39 <stassats> there are only bicycles in oregon
19:20:48 <Okasu> Ha-ha.
19:21:13 <oGMo> i bet if you posted a CL job opening you'd have hits pretty quickly :P
19:23:32 <antoszka> stassats: lol
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19:31:47 <pjb> sellout-: lisp programs, like any mathematical beings, live in eternity.
19:33:02 <Posterdati> pjb: programs are merely theorems with demonstrations
19:33:30 <pjb> Exactly.
19:34:04 <optikalmouse> Posterdati: you just made millions of industry programmers scream, 'my god the maths the maths!' ;p
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19:42:52 <pjb> optikalmouse: I've lost hope, those millions also scream 'my god, the abstrations, the OO, the whatever.'
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19:45:34 <Posterdati> pjb: actually, the best program are the ones that come out from pure mathematical speculations
19:45:49 *stassats* screams "my god, the nonsense"
19:46:22 <Posterdati> the sheriff?????
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19:54:51 <Eekoos> hello, are there keybinding for slime to set current package for slime repl to current buffer's package?
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19:57:36 <jasom> blargh in sbcl all compile-time errors in defmethod end up as macro expansion errors for the defmethod thus being at the beginning of the defmethod
19:58:13 <H4ns> Eekoos: C-c ~
19:58:31 <H4ns> Eekoos: i did not know this before you asked, and i used C-h m to find out
19:58:47 <H4ns> Eekoos: so, thanks for asking :)
19:59:22 <Eekoos> H4ns: thanks for finding. :)
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20:00:32 <subtlepath> Okasu: trade secret, sorry ;)
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20:01:11 <Okasu> subtlepath: Heh, np. :)
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20:01:57 <subtlepath> the business owners are smart enough to understand that the difference between lisp and java can be the difference between delivered and expensive vaporware
20:02:09 <subtlepath> their entire business is built on heavily specialized knowledge and hard-to-replace people
20:03:00 <subtlepath> i just had to explain to them that lisp lets me build custom software in the same way that they build custom bicycles
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20:03:40 <subtlepath> also they had the beginnings of a configurator implemented in PHP that had taken ages for them to get developed
20:04:05 <subtlepath> i rewrote it overnight in lisp and then made my proposal
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20:04:27 <Okasu> subtlepath: Wow, quite a success story. :)
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20:06:42 <subtlepath> prior to this project the only way to buy one of their bikes was to call them or visit in person
20:06:48 <subtlepath> so there was a lot of motivation for it to happen
20:07:34 <subtlepath> i love the company, they have awesome loyal customers and they make great bikes
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20:08:15 <subtlepath> part of my payment is getting one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XTtHSYSHnA
20:08:26 <subtlepath> following it through production has been a lot of fun
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20:08:54 <subtlepath> they cut tubing, weld, braze, paint, and assemble the bikes all in one building with around 30 employees
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21:12:25 <pjb> ecl can generate .o
21:12:33 <jaimef> hmm
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21:49:33 <will__> anyone care to recommend a way to force SBCL to emit logical right shift instructions on x86?
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22:27:19 <Elvaron> hey, how do i put the following into proper clisp loop syntax?  (for x in some_list do (setf steps (+ steps 1)) when (equal goal x) return x finally return nil)
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22:27:47 <Elvaron> i can put it into prose if that makes it easier to see what i'm trying to do
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22:29:15 <pjb> (loop for x in some_list do (setf steps (+ steps 1)) when (equal goal x) return x finally return nil)
22:29:21 <pjb> clhs loop
22:29:21 <specbot> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop.htm
22:29:53 <Elvaron> says nil is an unknown keyword in loop macro
22:29:58 <pjb> but it'd work also in sbcl, abcl, ccl, cmucl, ecl, gcl, allegro cl, lispworks cl, mocl, etc.
22:30:20 <pjb> Ah yes, return x is a CLtL2 form. Use (return x) and (return nil).
22:30:41 <pjb> so it's not specific to clisp the implementation, but to CL the Common Lisp language.
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22:31:23 <Elvaron> either way :D
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22:33:01 <will__> * (defvar steps 0)  STEPS * (loop for x in '(a b c) do (setf steps (+ steps 1)) when (equal 'b x) do (return x) finally (return nil))
22:33:20 <will__> cut out the "STEPS *" part, that is SBCL talking back to me.
22:34:01 <will__> in particular, the "do" is needed after the when.
22:34:28 <dim> (loop with steps = 0 for x ...) --- with allows you to introduce variable inits
22:34:46 *dim* shoudl train himself to use ; rather than -- here
22:34:52 <dim> and, good night, too
22:35:05 <will__> variable inits surely better than global vars :)
22:37:37 <_tca> global special vars at that
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22:39:01 <prxq> dim: where does -- come from?
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22:40:35 <prxq> dim: ada??
22:40:36 <Elvaron> any idea why i'm getting an extra line of NIL as output when i do (format ...) ?
22:41:04 <prxq> Elvaron: because (format t ...) returns nil
22:41:08 <Shinmera> Elvaron: NIL is the return of format., unless the stream you pass to format is NIL, in which case it returns a string.
22:41:39 <Elvaron> mkay, just looks slightly not-as-good :D
22:41:56 <prxq> Elvaron: and Clisp is an implementation, not the language (it's called common lisp). Also, as a rule, CL is compiled, not interpreted.
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22:46:56 <will__> is there an idiom in common lisp for completely suppressing the value of a computation?  I sometimes do (progn (too-big-to-print) 'ok) ...but is there any way to get no output at all?
22:47:21 <didi> will__: (values)
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22:52:08 <will__> thanks :)
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23:04:15 <pjb> How can I force redisplaying of a mcclim frame?  I'm trying out stuff in the repl, and display doesn't get updated automatically.
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23:07:20 <pjb>   (gsharp::redisplay-frame-panes (first gsharp::*gsharp-instances*) :force-p t) doesn't work, and neither do (mapcar (function climi::port-force-output) climi::*all-ports*) :-(
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23:08:17 <pjb> gsharp::redisplay-frame-panes is clim:redisplay-frame-panes
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23:09:26 <jasom> pjb: I don't use clim, but google tells me repaint-sheet
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23:19:59 <pjb> Nope, doesn't seem to work better.
23:20:54 <pjb> Using (let ((sheet (clim:frame-top-level-sheet <frame>))) (clim:repaint-sheet sheet (clim:sheet-region sheet)))
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23:25:18 <Elvaron> question time: doing Depth-First-Search on a graph (so cycles allowed) i need to remember what nodes i've already visited. being a recursive function just appending to an additional argument doesnt help much (since it wouldn't carry backwards). alternatives? global variable is one, but i'm sure there's better
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23:26:15 <Bike> return the nodes-visited as a second return value
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23:28:24 <Elvaron> feel free to tell me how to incorporate that into (loop for x in unexplored_adjacent do (if (equal x goal) (return goal) (if (equal (recursive-call x goal) goal) (return goal) nil)...) :D
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23:29:22 <pjb> Feel free to search in clhs what operators deal with multiple values, and feel free to have fun combining them like lego brick to build the wanted feature.
23:30:00 <Elvaron> what i'm trying to say is i dont see how i can carry the return argument of that recursive call to the next loop cycle
23:30:25 <pjb> Elvaron: otherwise, it's often just easier to use a mutable data structure where you keep a visited flag in the nodes of the graph. Of course, it has the drawback of not allowing multiple searches in parallel.
23:30:30 <Bike> add another loop variable "visited-nodes".
23:30:31 <Elvaron> unless i do like for y = (recursive-call)
23:30:34 <Bike> assign this variable.
23:30:36 <Bike> not hard
23:31:04 <Bike> please don't write "feel free" as if this was obviously impossible, it's pretty grating
23:31:07 <pjb> You can also use a mutable argument.
23:31:37 <pjb> (defstruct visited-nodes  nodes)  (walk-graph (make-visited-nodes))
23:31:54 <pjb> well:  (walk-graph graph (make-visited-nodes))
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23:32:42 <pjb> But returning an immutable structure may be better than modifying an argument, if you want to be able to backtrack easily.
23:32:57 <Elvaron> right
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23:35:54 <_tca> instead of the function taking a node, have it take a list of nodes, you append the child nodes to the back of the list when recuring
23:36:27 <_tca> and have an extra parameter for the memo of the visited nodes obviously
23:37:09 <Elvaron> i can neither change the type nor amount of arguments
23:37:29 <pjb> Then a global it will be.
23:37:43 <_tca> Elvaron: why not?
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23:37:51 <_tca> you wouldn't need to change the user-facing interface
23:37:52 <pjb> But in this day and age of open source, not being able to change the type or amount of arguments sounds ludicruous.
23:37:54 <Bike> the magic that is homework assignments?
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23:38:01 <_tca> it can either be an optinal parameter or an auxilary function inside
23:38:02 <Elvaron> Bike's got it.
23:38:22 <pjb> You could also wrap a closure.
23:38:31 <Bike> i'll never understand the restrictions people talk about in this channel when asking for homework help
23:38:45 <pjb> (make-visitor additional arguments) --> (lambda (fixed types and arguments) )
23:38:58 <Bike> heh
23:39:04 <stassats> this is a homework free zone
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23:43:15 <Zhivago> Better off having the function take a collection of nodes and emit its results by calling something.
23:43:40 <Zhivago> That way you can delegate the responsibility for the organizational structure of the results.
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