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02:54:51 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 02:55:14 i'm sure folks here could write one in a few minutes.. 02:56:57 Zhivago: can you hear me? 02:59:19 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:59:45 So it seems. 02:59:52 shew! 03:00:04 Please be quiet unless you have an intelligent question. 03:00:44 how about looking at the history instead of jumping to conclusions? 03:00:57 22:34 does anyone have an example of state diagram construction using cl-svg? 03:02:07 It doesn't look like it at the moment. :) 03:02:37 there are LaTeX packages to do this 03:04:20 loke: you mean, e.g., pstricks? 03:04:50 with psnodes and whatnot? 03:04:51 yates: TikZ-UML 03:05:02 http://www.ensta-paristech.fr/~kielbasi/tikzuml/index.php?lang=en 03:10:50 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:13:05 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:13:08 -!- 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Haven't used it for a while and now I can't find how to load an .asd file. 07:54:38 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.255.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:54 I'm using SBCL and SLIME 2013-09-29 07:56:16 you need the slime-asdf contrib i think 07:56:46 ah, thanks 07:57:03 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 07:57:07 forgot to put that into .emacs 07:59:45 -!- ozialien [~ernest@ip98-167-217-56.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:01:49 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:01:51 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:33 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:28 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 08:06:15 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:07:01 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:12:26 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:13:44 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-145-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:14:03 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 08:14:44 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-145-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:15:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-58-36.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:17:13 ozialien [~ernest@ip98-167-217-56.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:39 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25:21 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:25:31 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 08:26:59 -!- Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27:01 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:28:35 -!- yates [~user@nc-67-232-27-161.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 08:30:49 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:09 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:44 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-174-43.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:34:17 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 08:34:50 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 08:34:53 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nbztjxpsmnuwsqaf] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:35:29 -!- |JRG| [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:37:14 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:37:51 slime-load-system throws a "Component not found" exception at me. I'm trying to load a system in the current directory. 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I am struggling with a (at least for me) strange problem. I have several files wich are loaded via quicklisp. It all worked for several weeks. Now it breaks. I came down to the following problem as illustrated in http://paste.lisp.org/display/139707 : This file won't compile and I do not know why... Any idea what I have done wrong? (Tested on ccl 1.9, sbcl on Linux) 09:44:45 -!- Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45:06 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 09:45:16 -!- Guest18135 is now known as motionman 09:45:51 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 09:46:48 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:52:41 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:53:46 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54:15 knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 09:55:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:57:04 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:39 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 09:58:22 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:00:14 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 10:02:15 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-hgfiegyuipycicwd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:02:16 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:02:30 -!- redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:02:54 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: lifetime closed because no existence found] 10:03:38 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:03:46 frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:01 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:05 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 10:05:24 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 10:06:05 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:06:31 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 10:07:41 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 10:11:04 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 10:12:41 -!- CrazyEddy [~stopper@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:12:43 -!- add^_`` is now known as add^_ 10:13:32 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:32 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:13:32 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 10:17:38 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:18:54 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:08 frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 10:20:45 Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has joined #lisp 10:26:17 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 10:27:12 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:27:26 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC8D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:28:02 CrazyEddy [~unapparen@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 10:28:51 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:57 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 10:29:40 frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:41 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 10:29:49 krrrcks: put an eval-when around the defvar? http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZSR/1 10:30:05 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:06 krrrcks: better yet: separate files 10:30:14 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 10:30:59 ah. 10:31:06 Yonkie [~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:07 fereda: thanks for the hint 10:32:37 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:48 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:25 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:35:43 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 10:35:45 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:05 krrrcks: nope, that macro is wrong 10:36:18 evaluating *db* at compile-time makes no sense 10:39:19 what is wrong with the macro? 10:40:00 what I just said 10:40:28 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.176.76] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 10:41:06 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:41:56 ah ok, I see 10:42:22 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43:27 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:43:53 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:44:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 10:46:08 shfengoli [~user@50.127.226.74] has joined #lisp 10:47:46 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0021.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:51:49 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:53:17 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 10:56:22 arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 11:00:22 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:00:31 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:01:37 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:01:55 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC8D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:48 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:07:40 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 11:08:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09:10 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 11:11:25 X1234 [~Username@188.28.142.238.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:13:32 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.40.239] has joined #lisp 11:14:54 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 11:16:07 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:21:06 -!- Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28:20 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:09 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:32:51 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:29 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:38:46 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:34 -!- shfengoli [~user@50.127.226.74] has left #lisp 11:42:34 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:43:44 Zagaba [~user@modemcable075.173-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 11:44:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:45:16 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 11:47:01 -!- STilda [bca2a71c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:50:12 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:15 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:51:16 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:33 megamweb [~guest@188.64.134.19] has joined #lisp 11:52:48 octet8 [~klogd_@59.172.158.211] has joined #lisp 11:53:46 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:54:43 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 11:55:18 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-160-0-247.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:25 -!- megamweb [~guest@188.64.134.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:43 Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has joined #lisp 11:59:55 fe[nl]ix: Hmm.. ah ... I thought something like that..... 12:00:21 :) 12:01:44 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:03:21 -!- CrazyEddy [~unapparen@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:05:26 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:47 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-3-23.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:06:45 Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan252136.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 12:07:35 echo-area [~user@111.196.6.79] has joined #lisp 12:08:27 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0005.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 12:10:32 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:40 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 12:13:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:14:42 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:18:41 knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has joined #lisp 12:19:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has 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This now works and I suppose it is what I really wanted. Thanks for your help. 13:19:26 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:20:34 -!- rk[zzz] is now known as rk[wrkwrkwrk] 13:20:58 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:23 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 13:23:37 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 13:24:03 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0005.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 13:25:11 _zxq9_ [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has joined #lisp 13:25:35 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:25:40 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28:05 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:28:32 prip [~foo@host87-125-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:31:39 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0005.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:31:55 -!- echo-area [~user@111.196.6.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:39 -!- octet8 [~klogd_@59.172.158.211] has quit [] 13:35:18 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:35 -!- loke` [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:14d:7f78:56db:e77e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:18 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:39:19 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 13:43:56 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:57 acieroid` [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 13:44:35 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:54 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 13:45:15 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:07 milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has joined #lisp 13:46:49 -!- xan__ [~xan@80.224.236.10.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:47:45 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:48:21 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:50:16 -!- Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:51 -!- seangrov` [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:52:37 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 13:55:17 -!- dddtest_ad061 [~dddtest_a@209.208.27.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:36 loke` [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:1959:6709:87e2:75d] has joined #lisp 13:59:04 dddtest_b1cee [~dddtest_b@209.208.27.197] has joined #lisp 14:02:27 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:35 -!- dddtest_b1cee [~dddtest_b@209.208.27.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:25 Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has joined #lisp 14:08:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.217.118] has joined #lisp 14:08:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.217.118] has quit [Changing host] 14:08:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:08:17 I'm doing a bit of exploratory programming..I'm trying to write the smallest gui that is nevertheless useful. 14:08:51 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-166-112-222.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08:58 (in CL, obviously 14:09:03 ) 14:13:11 dddtest_7a6be [~dddtest_7@209.208.27.197] has joined #lisp 14:13:11 -!- X1234 [~Username@188.28.142.238.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:04 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:34 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:17:48 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 14:18:24 ZabaQ: A rectangle containing text (e.g. terminal or removing toolbar and menu bar from emacs) is the most minimalist I can find. 14:19:38 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:19:54 Beyond that, you probably can't beat the one bar at the top of modern browsers (assuming tabs aren't necessary). 14:20:51 Unless you mean smallest in terms of LoC or something? 14:23:51 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:23:58 aeth: LoC, yes. I should have qualified it.. 14:25:09 fe[nl]ix: hey, I'm getting an error when calling iolib:remove-fd-handlers on a non-monitored fd, but there's no exported predicate for seeing if an fd is monitored. 14:25:22 fe[nl]ix: am I doing it wrong somehow? 14:26:03 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.18.14] has left #lisp 14:27:21 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:30:48 dlowe: why are you doing that ? 14:31:30 you're supposed to remove a descriptor in response to a network event 14:31:39 I... actually don't have a good answer for that. 14:31:45 thanks! 14:32:04 in general, I can export what you need 14:32:05 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:32:38 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:38 it's IOMUX::FD-ENTRY-OF event-base fd 14:32:57 STilda [bca2a729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.41] has joined #lisp 14:32:58 -!- Vendethi_ [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:10 No, I think I'm trying to handle too much myself here, and remove the fd handler before closing 14:33:11 my guess is that you're removing the entry twice 14:33:30 and that, indeed, might be a problem with the API 14:33:42 it was actually from connecting before ever entering the main event loop 14:34:08 alezost` [~user@128-70-199-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:34:32 when my program raised a condition, it triggered an unwind-protect to close the connection, and I was manually removing the handler before closing 14:34:41 if you're using different handlers for read/write events and call remove-fd-handlers from each, within the same turn of the event loop, then I might as well coalesce the removal requests 14:34:48 ok 14:35:07 I just took out the manual handling. Everything still works fine. 14:35:17 Not sure why I did that in the first place 14:35:36 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-199-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:45 ok 14:35:54 anyway, thanks 14:35:57 are you using the latest IOlib ? 14:36:02 glad to help :) 14:36:15 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:15 k0001 [~k0001@host65.186-109-105.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 14:36:18 latest quicklisp as of yesterday 14:36:29 hmm 14:36:46 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:36:51 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:36:52 I would expect that calling remove-fd-handlers would just do nothing if there were none to remove 14:37:07 I advise using latest ASDF and IOlib nowadays 14:37:09 but that's not a strong expectation 14:37:18 the version in quicklisp is almost 3 years aold 14:37:36 *dlowe* nudges Xach, who sadly isn't here. 14:37:37 I like the current behavior because it finds bugs 14:37:58 echo-area [~user@111.196.6.79] has joined #lisp 14:38:18 Xach built a large infrastructure around the old ASDF2 and moving to ASDF3 is a bit problematic for him 14:38:25 but as a user I much prefer it 14:38:31 user/developer 14:38:58 Interesting. I wonder what's blocking him. 14:38:59 sounds like a case for teamwork 14:39:00 I should blog about it 14:39:29 I would rather have a happy modern quicklisp than a working version solely on my workstation 14:40:58 X1234 [Username@94.197.207.245.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:41:04 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:42:07 -!- echo-area [~user@111.196.6.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:59 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:45:43 -!- milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46:40 hi 14:46:54 rmathews [~roshan@122.164.132.41] has joined #lisp 14:48:01 davazp [~user@92.251.129.237.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 14:48:22 CrazyEddy [~bas@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 14:48:32 Hi, Posterdati. 14:49:14 please how can I create a file dialog with common qt? 14:50:18 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:50 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 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implementation 18:05:12 what is it missing? 18:05:17 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:30 I'd like to represent a room in a house. I have a class with positions x and y. I also have a class with. should I make room a subclass of position? doesn't seem logical to me 18:05:37 Zagaba: thanks 18:05:52 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:06 s/I also have a class with./I also have a class with "room" 18:06:40 so my question essentially is how to represent objects which are made of other objects as its properties 18:07:28 you can store instances of the object in slots, but wouldn't it be better to start with which operations do you want to support? 18:07:35 lispnewbie: shouldn't the house be COMPOSED of rooms? 18:08:45 yeah, but I'm only considering rooms for now 18:09:02 -!- seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:08 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:12:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:37 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:12:52 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 18:13:37 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 18:15:36 lispnewbie: the rooms should HAVE a position, not BE a position 18:16:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:16:52 lispnewbie: remember: subclasses are a relation of being (a wolf IS an animal, a sphere IS a geometric shape), composition is a relation of having (a house HAS rooms, a room HAS a position) 18:17:08 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:26 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:54 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:17 Denommus: how do I achieve composition? 18:18:40 has anyone gotten hylas lisp to work? https://github.com/eudoxia0/Hylas-Lisp 18:18:58 I've compiled it and could load it up with quicklisp 18:19:12 but I have no idea how to do anything with it 18:19:23 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:27 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.102.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:19:45 and the documentation is (ahem) scarce 18:19:56 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:20:45 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:22:14 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:22:42 lispnewbie: composition is having an element of the type you want as slot of your element 18:23:02 lispnewbie: for instance, a house would have a slot which could be an array (or list) of rooms. That is composition 18:23:18 huh, I did (eval-string "(+ 1 1)") and it printed something 18:23:58 Denommus: Ah, ok. Thank you 18:27:52 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:28:27 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 18:28:34 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:50 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:30:14 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:20 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:23 seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:33:47 Thanks again. I'll get back to coding 18:33:57 -!- lispnewbie [506325fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.99.37.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:33 -!- STilda [bca2a729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:40:30 peterhil [~peterhil@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:41:58 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:31 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:46:14 -!- prip [~foo@host87-125-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:13 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:52:20 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.102.67] has joined #lisp 18:53:23 chris_l [~quassel@p5091FC03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:51 davazp [~user@92.251.129.237.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 18:55:54 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has joined #lisp 18:58:49 prip [~foo@host213-127-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:59:18 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:03 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:08:26 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 19:08:26 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 19:08:26 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:08:27 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:43 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 19:14:56 Hey guys, how can I copy an instance of a class? So I can end up modifying some values of the class as a result of a function, without affecting the original passed in class instance 19:14:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:15:19 you write a copy function for that class. 19:15:23 (defmethod copy-instance ((c my-class)) ...) 19:18:35 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.129.237.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:31 zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:49 ty 19:19:53 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:42 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:20:51 ln` [~Page_R@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 19:20:59 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-160-0-247.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:21:35 -!- ln` [~Page_R@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 19:22:19 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:07 jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has joined #lisp 19:24:30 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:24:49 ok 19:28:08 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:04 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-73-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:30:47 ahungry: somewhere in the net there is a copy-instance function that is fairly generic 19:30:58 ask aunt google 19:31:02 :-) 19:31:36 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:33:12 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC8D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:46 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:35 hah 19:34:44 figured it out now with a defgeneric and defmethod 19:35:04 Although I think it may not be an optimal usage for what I originally intended 19:35:38 Its for my game, I was going to apply each equipped item's stats to my unit (the class object) to give the modified stats 19:36:15 But I think doing that for, say, 20 pieces of gear x 20+ units at a time would be needlessly intesive on the game 19:36:21 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:36:32 I think i'll just trigger an eqiup event and let the item permanently update the units stat, then have an unequip decrement the stat 19:37:46 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:37:51 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:37:55 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:29 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has joined #lisp 19:39:04 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:39:59 -!- jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:02 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as nisstyre 19:41:49 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:42:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:42:33 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:39 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:29 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-sxmbcfcdbicmfjgy] has joined #lisp 19:45:19 ahungry: wouldn't it be better to have a method compute an 'effective stat' for the unit that takes into account items and other modifiers? And if performance happens to be a problem you can memoize it 19:46:21 fare-memoization ! 19:46:48 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:33 I was thinking that, but the vps I'm on is pretty limited 19:47:50 I guess I'll go to that if the perma-mod on the items turns out to be problematic 19:50:14 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-37-227.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:05 benny [~user@i577A1A18.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:51:12 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:52:07 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:52:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:35 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:53:02 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:54:54 jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has joined #lisp 19:55:09 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56:12 -!- jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:56:34 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has joined #lisp 19:56:55 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:57:10 jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has joined #lisp 19:57:36 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:58:25 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:58:26 lapach [~lapach@202.145.2.74] has joined #lisp 19:58:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:59:08 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC609AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:02:59 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:16 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:03:19 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:03:43 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:18 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-38-91.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:08:22 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08:55 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:10:57 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:11:36 peterhil [~peterhil@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:11:38 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:12:18 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC609AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:21 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 20:12:27 ludocode [~quassel@206-248-158-213.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 20:12:57 -!- lapach [~lapach@202.145.2.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:01 seangrov` [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:13:25 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:13:26 -!- seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:09 cetes [~setec@76.10.183.220] has joined #lisp 20:14:31 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:15:28 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:43 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p5091FC03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:19 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 20:16:24 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:30 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:18:36 -!- cetes [~setec@76.10.183.220] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:19:18 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:35 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:20:11 Elvaron [~Elvaron@HSI-KBW-134-3-240-90.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:20:58 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:22 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:53 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 20:23:02 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:23:04 hey folks, dont punch me in the face for this one... i'm trying to loop for i from 1 to k, in each step do (somefunction i somelist), but the result of that operation being used as the somelist of the next step, with the result being the last step's result of that call to somefunction... normally i'd just do it recursively but maybe lisp has some clever macro for s.th. like that? 20:23:47 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:51 (loop for i from 1 to k for somelist = somelist then (somefunction i somelist) finally (return somelist))? 20:24:07 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 20:24:14 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:24:37 don't punch you in the face? This isn't c.l.l. 20:24:44 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: klltkr] 20:24:44 i'll try that, Bike, thx 20:24:48 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:25:57 we only lightly tap people on the forehead here 20:26:05 the part that confuses me about that is that i dont see where it assigns the return value of (somefunction i somelist) to somelist 20:26:12 but that's probably just a gap between syntax and semantics 20:26:44 Elvaron: "for somelist = somelist then (somefunction i somelist)" assigns somelist to be somelist on the first iteration, and then (somefunction i somelist) on later iterations. 20:27:06 okay :D 20:27:23 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:26 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:28:31 ah, i got it a bit wrong, it should be "from 0 to k" for sillyy reasons 20:29:03 from 0 to k will be k iterations? 20:29:09 or k+1 iterations? 20:29:20 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:29:20 k. the zeroth step just does the initial assignment to somelist. 20:29:27 right 20:29:43 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-114.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:45 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 20:30:56 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:58 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:32 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:31:33 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:31:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:14 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:32:28 alternately: (let ((result somelist)) (dotimes (i k result) (setf result (somefunction (1+ i) result)))) 20:32:51 i actually just noticed i approached the whole problem from the wrong end :D but it's nice i learned about then and finally 20:34:49 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:41 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:05 Joreji__ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:36:40 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-sxmbcfcdbicmfjgy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:37:13 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:38:21 this assignment makes no sense... 20:38:38 not unusual for school assignments :D 20:38:48 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.83.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:50 no, seriously... familiar witht he tower of hanoi? 20:38:54 sure. 20:39:13 okay, somewhere down the road we're supposed to write the function to solve it 20:39:20 but first we have to write some other functions 20:40:05 function (move x y s) moves a stack with index x to stack of index y (s being the entire game represented as (list (list-of-one-stack) (list-of-next-stack) ...)) 20:40:08 -!- Joreji__ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40:24 it's already given as (move-k (length (nth xs)) x y s), so we have to write move-k 20:40:47 which is to use (hanoi-append list element) which appends the element to the end of the list if it's smaller than the last element (i.e. fits on it) 20:40:54 now here's the problem 20:40:57 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:41:18 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@95.red-80-29-32.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20:42:11 i cant put more than 1 disc on y at a time without breaking the rules 20:42:26 so to move k discs i have to push them on other stacks aswell 20:42:30 that pretty much is solving it. 20:42:36 the question is 20:42:42 why the heck do it just for stack x 20:43:04 Lolita [~Lolita@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:05 Hello 20:43:24 hi 20:43:24 do they want me to then do for-all-stacks not the destination (move (stack destination game)) ? that's inefficient as hell 20:43:28 someone knows a system expert 0+ written in lisp ? 20:44:16 Lolita: SHRDLU 20:44:34 it was the first expert system 20:44:59 gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:45:07 Elvaron: maybe they want you to move the stack of discs, breaking the rules? 20:45:08 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:45:23 i doubt that, since their hanoi-append that we have to use prevents breaking the rules 20:45:46 if you can move an arbitrary stack, then that's pretty much solving the puzzle 20:45:53 ikr 20:46:21 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:46:28 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:55 then what's the point of b) extend the program so it sorts all discs randomly distributed to stacks onto one stack. For this, implement (solve y s) which moves all discs to stack y 20:47:02 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has joined #lisp 20:47:32 nfc 20:47:38 ? 20:47:43 no effing clue 20:47:47 aye 20:49:26 weeell 20:49:33 i guess it makes sense if you look at it this way 20:50:04 recursive solution of tower of hanoi is to move, for n discs, n-1 discs from a to b, then disc n from a to c, then n-1 discs from b to c 20:50:09 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:16 which is fine for 3 stacks, it's pretty dumbed down. for m stacks i'm not gonna use that approach though... 20:51:25 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:26 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:51:37 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:52:35 gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:08 -!- gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:53:13 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.116] has joined #lisp 20:54:51 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-38-91.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:54:58 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:00 gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has joined #lisp 20:56:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:57 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:57:10 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:35 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 20:58:40 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:27 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:00:24 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:38 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:01:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04:30 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:42 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:05:09 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-199-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:13 -!- arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 21:07:12 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@2601:c:3680:1c:5dce:319d:48a1:21b7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:18 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09:32 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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21:31:17 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:22 Lolita: What does putprop do? 21:32:43 -!- dddtest_1ff7c [~dddtest_1@209.208.27.197] has quit [K-Lined] 21:34:42 (putprop 'box 'blue 'color) 21:34:46 for example 21:35:05 an example call isn't what it does. 21:35:12 I can have access to the color attribute of box with 21:35:14 getprop 21:35:25 (getprop 'box 'color) 21:35:28 it gives blue 21:36:24 I think you are looking for assoc 21:36:26 it's for defining propierty 21:36:31 (setf (get 'box 'color) 'blue) 21:36:41 -!- jarm [~jarm@189.146.158.85] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:41 properties* 21:36:49 And (get 'box 'color) to retrieve it. 21:37:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:30 More generally, getf and (setf getf) operate on property lists. 21:37:48 ok thanks 21:37:52 So (get 'box 'color) is the same as (getf (symbol-plist 'box) 'color). 21:38:27 I think my book for learning lisp is too old I will learn with "pratical common lisp" 21:38:56 Are you sure your book is about Common Lisp specifically? 21:39:11 But anyway, Practial Common Lisp is nice. 21:39:31 no actually it's using MACLISP 21:40:30 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 21:40:46 I have a problem with optimization in SBCL, and I'm not sure whether I'm missing somethig obvious. 21:40:48 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:16 arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 21:41:21 Consider the two implementations of the factorial in http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZSV. 21:42:04 I think I'm giving the compiler all the type info it needs to only fixnum arithmetic, but SBCL calls generic-* for the multiplication. 21:43:32 Is that a bug in SBCL or am I misreading the HyperSpec (specifically the page about DO, which says that declarations on the body of DO apply to the step-forms)? 21:44:19 jathd: http://pastebin.kde.org/p5bpy4jgf/ym9lme 21:44:22 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:33 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:44:37 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Say What?] 21:44:54 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:11 didi: Yes? 21:45:35 jathd: (the fixnum (1+ i)) doesn't help? 21:45:56 check the paste again, didi. 21:46:10 It's the multiplication that's problematic. 21:46:13 but yeah, looks like sbcl doesn't inferas much as it could. 21:46:34 But it's not when I wrap it in (the fixnum), which I think should be redundant. 21:46:40 Bike: right 21:46:59 multiplying 2 fixnums doesn't give a fixnum 21:47:10 slyrus: the result is constrained to be a fixnum, though. 21:47:59 I think you have to try harder than that to convince the compiler to give you a likely-bogus answer 21:48:05 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48:08 evidently. 21:48:30 slyrus: I don't understand. 21:48:42 factorial is definitely kind of a bad example, that code would be wrong on my 32 bit machine above (factorial 11) :( 21:48:57 jathd: the product of two fixnums is not necessarily a fixnum. 21:49:11 Yes, of course it gives the wring result, but that's not my point. 21:49:44 If I know that n will be small enough for `result' to be a fixnum, what's the problem? 21:50:03 just that sbcl hasn't bothered doing that much analysis 21:50:16 -!- CrazyEddy [~bas@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:32 you know that, but the compiler doesn't. you can lie to the compiler and tell it that that's the case by using (the fixnum ...) 21:51:05 slyrus: since the result is being put into result, which is supposed to be a fixnum, hypothetically it could infer that itself, no? 21:51:31 hypothetically, sure :) 21:51:42 slyrus: But my point is that I am _already_ doing that by declaring result to be a fixnum. I'm arguiing that (the fixnum) is redundant. 21:51:51 Elvaron: from 0 to k will perform k+1 iterations. from 0 BELOW k will perform k iterations. 21:51:59 Interestingly, I don't get a `; GENERIC-*' comment here. 21:52:02 it is redundant. sbcl isn't perfect. 21:52:32 It's even weirder when you look at the macroexpansion of the do form, because you can see that all it does really is to store the result of the product in result. 21:52:35 sbcl doesn't mind being lied to, but it is a bit of a skeptic. sometimes you have to lie harder. 21:52:36 I've go the impression Bike says a lot of rubbish... 21:53:19 in context, pjb, "iterations" meant calls to somefunction. 21:53:46 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 21:53:46 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@86.63.2.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:15 This is my output: 21:54:49 didi: you kept (the fixnum) around (* result i). 21:54:55 You get a generic-* without it. 21:55:08 Ah, you want to take it out. 21:55:18 *didi* didn't understand it 21:55:26 Sorry. 21:55:50 Ah! Now I understan Bike and slyrus. 21:55:59 Bike: (loop for i from 0 to 3 do (prin1 'x)) 21:56:13 yes pjb, i am aware that that will print x four times. 21:56:19 Bike: you don't have any excuse for saying rubbish, when you can just try it out at the REPL! 21:56:24 joinr [47a36327@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.163.99.39] has joined #lisp 21:56:31 That's k+1, not k! 21:57:00 pjb: (loop for i from 0 to 10 for somelist = '(a b) then (print (cons i somelist)) finally (return somelist)). prints ten lines before returning the result. that's what i meant. 21:57:12 is there a way to get at the current lexical environment during evaluation in common lisp? 21:57:16 nope. 21:57:42 so if I want to hack my own evaluator, I need to pass my own environment around? 21:57:48 yep. 21:57:52 Bike: again you're saying rubbish! Just try it in the REPL before typing RET in erc!!! 21:58:03 pjb: i did. 21:58:16 Maybe it would be easier to see with 0 to 3. 21:58:20 Ah, sorry, I read in instead of =. 21:58:38 jathd: also, in addition to looking at the disassembly, check out the macro-expansion of your code and you'll see why SBCL's compiler uses a generic-* there. 21:59:02 Bike: :then is not the iteration, it's the increment. 21:59:09 What was asked was about iterations. 21:59:53 slyrus: I have looked at it, and I still don't see it. The only place where (* result i) appears is in (psetq i (1+ i) result (* result i)), and result is declared fixnum. 21:59:54 heh: "Must have python" 21:59:55 yes, you could interpret things as meaning that if you wanted to argue with somebody about things they obviously didn't mean. 22:00:17 psetq? 22:00:32 slyrus: parallel steq 22:00:33 -!- Lolita [~Lolita@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:00:34 Bike: Elvaron asked: "i'm trying to loop for i from 1 to k, in each step do (somefunction i somelist), " 22:00:35 *setq 22:00:46 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:00:48 Bike: that's (loop for i from 1 to k do (somefunction i somelist)) 22:00:59 and from 1 to k is k iterations. 22:01:00 pjb: did you not read the rest of what they asked. 22:01:05 while from 0 to k is k+1 iteration. 22:01:05 I'm seeing: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND (#:NEW893) (* RESULT I) ...) 22:01:09 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:16 slyrus: psetq here too. 22:01:18 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:01:19 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 22:01:26 slyrus: that looks like a setf expansion... 22:01:30 slyrus: multiple-value-bind??? 22:01:39 axion [~axion@74.214.214.174] has joined #lisp 22:01:48 Bike: that's (loop with somelist = nil for i from 1 to k do (setq somelist (somefunction i somelist)) finally (return somelist)) 22:01:53 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 22:02:09 why, yes, that would be a different way to do the thing. 22:02:24 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 22:02:38 But there would be no misunderstanding on the number of iterations. 22:02:38 -!- seangrov` [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:52 Also, oddly enough, I don't get a call to generic-* with something like http://pastebin.kde.org/pnvcfbxyz 22:02:57 there wasn't a misunderstanding until you invented one. 22:03:31 jathd: ah, I see. if you macroexpand-all, that eventually goes away 22:03:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:51 CrazyEddy [~daredevil@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 22:04:23 (funcall (lambda (x) (eval '(+ x 2))) 3) ;;on CCL this complains about x being unbound; is that intentional? I figured x would be bound in the lexical environment eval is operating on. 22:04:24 jathd: again, we're back to the same issue I was referring to. The do macro code expands into a setq of a temporary variable 22:04:43 joinr: yes, eval doesn't use the local environment. 22:04:49 ah 22:04:56 jathd: in your latest example, that doesn't exist 22:04:57 slyrus: oh, i see. 22:05:05 slyrus: Not on my machine: http://pastebin.kde.org/pypyxaptp 22:05:11 thanks 22:05:19 jathd: macroexpand the psetq. 22:05:25 (twice) 22:05:49 Bike: ahhhhh! 22:05:52 Got it. 22:05:58 Yeah, that explains it 22:06:16 sohail [~sohail@69-165-161-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:06:16 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-165-161-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:06:17 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 22:06:27 It didn't occur to me that psetq was a macro, for some reason... 22:06:34 yeah, slipped my mind too. 22:07:05 seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:19 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:07 Ok, so this is indeed the type-inference not doing as much as it could. Thanks everyone. 22:08:09 so in the expanded version, sbcl would have to infer backwards, that since result is set to #:new and result is a fixnum, #:new is a fixnum, and further then that the value assigned to #:new, (* i result), is a fixnum. 22:08:17 which is again possible but hard. 22:08:25 Bike: right 22:09:18 part of the problem, probably, is that doing all that inference every time would probably slow down compilation a good bit, and it's not always that important to get "perfect" code, especially when you can just put in a the... 22:09:49 and sbcl usually lets you know when it can't open-code something 22:09:59 jathd: but perhaps the do macro should use any available type information of the result and apply that to the gensym'ed variable 22:10:37 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D7E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:10:39 wouldn't that be in setf, not do? 22:10:53 slyrus: Yes, I think it should, especially since the standard explicitly metnions that the declarations apply to variables, the init-forms and the step-forms. 22:11:13 er, maybe psetf... 22:11:46 yeah, it's psetf that makes the sym. 22:12:12 Bike: yeah, the real fix would be to have the temporary variables inherit from the type information of the assigned var. 22:12:27 ASau [~user@p5083D7E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:13:38 oh but then the problem is that psetf deals with places, not variables. 22:14:19 Bike: just do it for psetq, then. 22:15:01 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:17 sbcl's psetq is basically just "do psetf instead" so that would be some rearrangement... 22:15:35 i'll try writing it anyway, what the hell. 22:15:50 Bike: presumably, at some point during compilation, psetf figures out that the pace is a variable? 22:15:56 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 22:15:58 s/pace/place 22:16:06 it uses setf expansions, of course. 22:16:31 Bike: Right. Thinking about it, I'm not sure it's as hard as you said, though, because in (setq z (* x y)), the compiler already infers, somehow, that if z is a fixnum it can do a fixnum-*. 22:17:02 So it's already propagating info back from the destination z to the form (* x y). 22:17:13 jathd: that's a pretty easy inference, the problem is that with parallel setq you need more variables (which we already went through) 22:17:21 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:00 having my hypothetical rewrite only work for variables seems kind of gross, i mean, why not have (psetf (aref some-bit-array foo) bar) backwards-infer that bar is a bit, too? 22:18:01 Bike: can't the psetf expander for symbols propogate the types? 22:18:13 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:18 but i think that would require more information than is available during macroexpansion... 22:18:36 jasom: there isn't a psetf expander, just a setf expander 22:18:53 hmm 22:18:55 Oh. Right. psetq has to deal with symbol macros too. 22:18:56 sigh. 22:19:10 But why would it be harder to do the same for the gensym, i.e. notice that it goes into z only, deduce that it's a fixnum, and then deduce in turn that (* x y) goes into the gensym do it's a fixnum. 22:19:29 *s/do/so 22:20:27 well now you have to analyze every usage of a binding, which is less trivial than "oh there's a setq here" 22:20:39 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:20:57 ugh, i guess really you need to go into compiler guts for that 22:20:59 Bike: or run multiple passes of the inference engine, right? 22:21:22 dunno 22:21:33 Bike: yeah, I think I'll go take a peek some day. 22:21:58 I'm not allowed to work on sbcl internals sadly 22:24:04 -!- seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24:41 -!- joinr [47a36327@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.163.99.39] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:25:19 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 22:25:19 seangrove [~user@71-88-42-163.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:27:16 nha [~prefect@koln-5d81618f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:44 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 22:29:55 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 22:30:22 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:30:58 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d81618f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:31:36 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:33:50 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 22:34:07 jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 22:34:58 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:35:06 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@174.56.50.60] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:37:56 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-38-91.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:38:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39:32 how do I not go insane using multiple values 22:39:32 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:57 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:13 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 22:40:14 AeroNotix: what is the cause of problems? 22:40:22 prxq: multiple-values 22:40:23 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:40:24 :) 22:40:28 I usually like them a lot 22:40:46 why are they driving you insane? 22:41:10 They don't work like how any other language that has them but at the same time provides no additional value by doing it the way it does 22:41:21 silently ignoring values if you don't see something returns multiple values? Damn. 22:41:31 Ignoring values? How 22:41:32 AeroNotix: What other lanaguage for instamce? 22:41:37 jathd: plent 22:41:39 plenty 22:41:53 So one example would be... 22:41:53 AeroNotix: which language, for example? 22:41:55 Erlang, Go, Python 22:42:01 AeroNotix: Nope 22:42:14 {_, Value} = something_that_returns_two_values(). %% Erlang 22:42:26 a, b = func() # Python 22:42:29 AeroNotix: at least matlab lets you ignore anything the function may return 22:42:33 _, b := func() // Go 22:42:34 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:37 you just use a name instead of "_" and then (declare (ignore whatever)) 22:42:42 it's hardly a major difference. 22:42:49 now admittedly, matlab is not the high ground for language design 22:43:05 (declare (ignore whatever)) is not a "major" difference 22:43:12 what 22:43:21 nth-value 22:43:25 AeroNotix: One very important thing is that you can ignore the second value if you don't care about it. 22:43:38 matlab also lets functions have different behavior based on how many values its caller is expecting. let us not speak of it. 22:43:40 you can ignore all values 22:43:55 jathd: and if I want the 2nd but ignore the first 22:44:01 nth-value. 22:44:20 it's (nth-value 1 (form)) haha 22:44:28 and this is exactly what I mean 22:44:30 it sucks 22:44:46 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:44:47 AeroNotix: Returning multiple values as in lisp is *not* the same as returning a tuple is other languages. 22:45:06 jathd: but people do it to signify that 22:45:13 so what? 22:45:16 what? 22:45:17 if you want you could write a little macro that replaces "_" in your pseudo-mvb with a gensym and then puts in the declare ignore for you. 22:45:23 if you're so opposed to doing it yourself. 22:45:31 Bike: this is a sane proposal 22:45:48 AeroNotix: if f returns a tuple in python, x = f() assigns the tuple to f. 22:45:58 jathd: precisely 22:46:05 AeroNotix: you can return a list and use destructuring-bind, of course... 22:46:07 in Lisp? Oh we'll just throw that shit away 22:46:08 don't you think calling this stuff sane and insane is kind of overdramatic. 22:46:10 AeroNotix: if f returns two values in lisp, (setq x (f)) assigns the first value only to x 22:46:24 Bike: s/sane/good/g s/insane/bad/g 22:46:26 AeroNotix: But that is the _whole point_! 22:46:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:46:50 AeroNotix: Stop fighting and try to *understand* the way it's done in lisp on its own terms. 22:46:52 AeroNotix: you are confusing returning tuples with returning multiple values 22:47:23 jathd: then explain why throwing away values is a useful feature 22:47:35 consider the case of TRUNCATE. There is a reason why you would want to ignore the second value 22:47:37 AeroNotix: It's useful when you don't care about them 22:47:55 Other example: gethash. The first value is enough most of the time 22:47:56 sometimes, however, you may want it. And there it is 22:47:57 you started this off complaining it was too hard to ignore values and now you're saying it's too easy? 22:48:19 Bike: it's too easy to ignore them inadvertantly 22:48:24 -!- rk[wrkwrkwrk] is now known as ryankarason 22:48:56 AeroNotix: what does that even mean? 22:48:58 AeroNotix: not a chance. Either you need the second (or third) value or not. 22:49:07 You have to know what the function you call returns. 22:49:21 That's true in every language... 22:50:13 For me it just seems odd that a lot of stuff is treat like lists but you have this odd feature of multiple values which can kind-of-but-not-quite behave like lists and require special functions to do mundane shit to 22:50:27 Ladies, you need to enhance your calm 22:50:41 they don't really behave like lists at all. 22:50:50 AeroNotix: Consider that possibility that you have nissed the point of multiple values. 22:50:57 *missed 22:50:59 AeroNotix: i think the problem is that you came to lisp with preconceptions that simply are not true 22:51:03 quite possibily, but still you are yet to explain it jathd 22:51:34 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 22:51:41 AeroNotix: so how about truncate? The usefulness is clear 22:52:14 -!- _zxq9_ [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:52:47 AeroNotix: Consider gethash. The primary value it returns is the object associted to a key in a hash-table, or nil if there wasn't such a key. That's good enough most of the time, except maybe in rare cases where the object in the hash-table could be anything, including nil. Then you look at the secondary value to see whether the lookup succeeded. 22:52:48 with multiple values you can return additional optional information. What's there not to be liked? In other langs, you need crappy error variables, additional function calls, etc. 22:53:23 AeroNotix: The whole point of having the second value ignored by default is that it isn't useful in most cases, so you just don't have to deal with it most of the time. 22:53:30 prxq: then perhaps I need to see the value in using them beyond the (in my opinion, don't let this scare you) unweidly syntax 22:53:54 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@123.208.68.206] has joined #lisp 22:53:54 prxq: truncate => mod/rem 22:54:09 AeroNotix: That's 2 function calls instead of 1 22:54:26 and how many is it to extract the value? 22:54:28 Oh right, two 22:54:31 None 22:54:35 No 22:54:35 one to call it, another to get the value 22:54:39 No 22:54:42 what? 22:54:53 if I want the remainder from truncate 22:55:03 (setf (values a b) (truncate 11 0.4)) 22:55:04 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:55:11 looks like two to me 22:55:15 you use nth-value, which is a macro that expands into one function call. 22:55:28 or (multiple-value-bind (q r) (truncate foo bar) ...) 22:55:50 which shouldn't call anything other than truncate. 22:56:07 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:15 more exactly, it uses multiple-value-call, but since it doesn't need to actually construct a closure it's fine. 22:56:26 Bike: Who says it does? 22:56:34 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6811f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:35 it's not required but it's usual. 22:56:55 Ok, but then you have to look at how that's dealt with inside the compiler. 22:57:20 yes, and you get decent register usage for something so simple, which is what i meant. 22:57:34 Just like ((lambda (x) (+x 2)) 4) should *definitely* not call any function. 22:57:42 right. 22:58:41 *sigh* still tower of hanoi, i got their damn (move A C (list of stacks)) working, any ideas on how to tackle (solve ...) for an unsorted situation? http://pastebin.com/R5sSYdgU <- what i got so far 22:59:13 AeroNotix: You seem to have this idea in you head about how multiple values are actually implemented. This idea is *very* probably wrong. In particular, returning 2 values does not entail allocating any kind of structure to hold them (other than some space on the stack, maybe). 22:59:57 lol wat 23:00:02 I don't *care* how they're implemented 23:00:25 I care about the (seemingly) useless syntax needed to extract values from them, there are perfectly good list manipulation functions already. 23:00:26 you were just talking about counting function calls, that's about how they're implemented... 23:00:30 AeroNotix: And yet you think you know that getting the second value requires a function call. 23:01:05 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:07 you're meaning function call as in what actually gets put on the stack vs what I type? 23:01:31 no, meaning function call as "and how many [function calls] is to extract the value" 23:01:35 AeroNotix: Read again what I said about gethash and what prxq said about truncate, and ponder what would happen if those functions returned a list that contained the two values. 23:02:03 jathd: other languages manage just fine to know how many values a function is being bound to 23:02:06 AeroNotix: And try to realize how *that* way of doing things would be extremely clunky. 23:02:12 pootler [~user@94.198.124.172] has joined #lisp 23:02:25 v := map[key]; v, contains := map[key 23:02:27 ] 23:02:32 in Go, simples. 23:02:34 AeroNotix: Yes, but multiple values are *more* convenient, contrary to what you seem to think. 23:02:43 then I'll spend more time with them ladies 23:03:01 AeroNotix: Also, how is that example in Go any different that what exists in Lisp? 23:03:11 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:16 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 23:03:23 jathd: because I don't have to treat them any differently to any function call? It's far simpler syntax 23:03:48 what, earlier you were saying you wanted python's "put the whole tuple in a variable" thing. 23:04:04 -!- minimus [~minimus@108-67-30-36.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04:06 AeroNotix: Ok. You already have (setf (value x y) (gethash ...)), which is quite convenient. 23:04:07 What's foo(map[key]) do 23:04:09 ? 23:04:16 Bike: just the value 23:04:26 That's what lisp does. 23:04:39 AeroNotix: But I don't like multiple-value-bind either. I'd prefer something like (let (((values x y) (gethash ...))) ...). 23:04:42 minimus [~minimus@108.67.30.36] has joined #lisp 23:04:56 jathd: use let-plus 23:05:06 -!- minimus is now known as Guest19106 23:07:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08:48 -!- pootler [~user@94.198.124.172] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:10:49 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:13 pootler [~user@94.198.124.172] has joined #lisp 23:11:39 oGMo: I'll have to look into it more, but the addition of new keywords seems clunky from what I can tell. I actually implemented a binding from like that at some point, but based on a function get-binding-expansion (as a sort of analog to get-setf-expansion). So far, I'm not sure if that's what let-plus does. 23:12:34 gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:12:34 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZZZ] 23:12:35 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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