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do you know what i mean 07:24:45 zoek1 [~zoek1@189.128.216.219] has joined #lisp 07:24:52 feel like i used to know what the heck it is actually called.. shoot 07:27:08 oh! the minibuffer 07:27:22 i'm sorry about that. 07:28:58 slime's tab completion works, but the function definitions aren't in the minibuffer, rather i see "Args out of range: 57, 57" for example when typing "(+ " into the repl 07:29:42 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p57922544.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:30:16 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:30:40 upon typing "(+" it shows "+: (&REST NUMBERS-OR-MARKERS)" but when i hit the space key completing "(+ " i get the "Args out of range" 07:31:11 usually "(+ " puts "(+ rest args)" in the minibuffer 07:31:35 would anyone have any idea what's happening here or what i could look up to fix this? 07:33:11 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:33:55 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has 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or something i'd appreciate the saving me some tedium :) thanks a lot for your help 07:43:26 nydel: Just turn off eldoc-mode 07:43:44 M-x eldoc-mode 07:45:42 that sure enough did it, loke! thank you. i suppose i will probably find it being turned on in a config file that got modified while i was messing around 07:45:45 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:45:57 you rock loke 07:47:22 kushal [~kdas@106.67.187.92] has joined #lisp 07:47:24 -!- kushal [~kdas@106.67.187.92] has quit [Changing host] 07:47:25 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 07:47:47 X1234 [Username@94.197.206.232.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:48:43 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 07:49:27 i just installed CLIPS 6.3. on Win7/32. loaded a demo file. Execution > Run has no effect. anything missing? help appreciated. 07:53:27 are you able to get to a REPL, X1234 ? 07:54:35 are you talking about clisp, the lisp implementation, or about clips, the expert system? 07:56:13 must be clips, being 6.3 07:57:25 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:57:28 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:58:59 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 07:59:45 clips the expert system 08:01:09 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:01:09 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 08:02:16 |JRG| [c209f2f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.242.240] has joined #lisp 08:04:28 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04:48 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06:48 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@16.Red-80-39-204.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: 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Is it overlapped with the other records, or with previous records? 10:23:41 whit anything I previously placed in the pane 10:23:46 See page 9. 10:23:49 pillton [~user@124-170-122-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:24:09 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 10:24:12 :display-time is nil form me 10:24:19 I would have thought that when using presentation, the background would be erased by CLIM. 10:24:41 Perhaps you want :command-loop 10:25:36 what is it? 10:25:40 or t 10:25:49 See page 16 for an example with t 10:25:54 ok, tx 10:26:39 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 10:26:55 :command-loop would lead to redisplaying the pane everytime a command is given. 10:27:33 ^self [~fn@headache.hungry.com] has joined #lisp 10:29:04 :( 10:29:07 Vendethiel [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has joined #lisp 10:30:55 mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.83.141] has joined #lisp 10:32:36 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:33:27 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:01 clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has joined #lisp 10:35:38 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:45 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:36:09 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:36:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:37:57 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:38:25 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:38:25 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:38:26 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 10:38:34 frx [frx@93-138-49-152.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 10:38:55 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 10:39:19 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Client Quit] 10:41:12 -!- frxx [frx@93-139-77-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:41:46 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:52 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 10:43:15 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:43:16 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:17 -!- X1234 [Username@92.40.104.203.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:44:15 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:44:15 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:38 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:46:48 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:56 add^_ [~user@m83-185-23-90.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:52:36 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 10:53:00 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:01 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 10:53:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:56:32 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:49 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:57:13 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57:34 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:20 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:43 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 10:59:32 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:03:04 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:03:11 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-qbbiwidfgcaxnrcx] has joined #lisp 11:04:18 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 11:06:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:16 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:52 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:07:34 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:08:22 ZabaQ [~john.conn@86.63.2.14] has joined #lisp 11:09:42 arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 11:11:12 Is this actually portable #S(HASH-TABLE :TEST FASTHASH-EQL (ORANGES . 2) (APPLES . 6) (PEARS . 5)) ? 11:12:01 no 11:12:09 Ah. 11:12:30 s/FASTHASH-// 11:12:33 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 11:12:58 Did you use *print-readably* t to print that? 11:13:40 No, I found it quoted in a blog post. 11:14:19 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:14:32 According to the hyperspec #S introduces a structure, so I was a bit confused. 11:14:59 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 11:15:08 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-oewpqdxrkjeqsftb] has joined #lisp 11:15:08 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-oewpqdxrkjeqsftb] has quit [Changing host] 11:15:09 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:15:31 is this the post http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/03/04/some-thoughts-on-json-vs-s-expressions/? 11:15:42 Yes :-) 11:15:44 if so, then it's just wrong saying " But the "S-expression" representation [1] of Common Lisp hash tables is:" 11:16:32 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:16:38 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:17:25 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:18:38 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18:54 SBCL prints hashtables as #.(SB-IMPL::%STUFF-HASH-TABLE (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'EQL :SIZE '16 :REHASH-SIZE '1.5 :REHASH-THRESHOLD '1.0 :WEAKNESS 'NIL) alist) 11:19:39 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:20:43 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:11 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:14 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:25:26 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29:17 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 11:32:52 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:33:39 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:34:20 Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 11:36:07 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:37:13 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:28 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:04 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 11:39:52 This is not good. I understand printable readably in the standard as meaning that it can be read by other implementations! 11:39:52 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:15 hashtables are not required to be printed readably 11:40:19 ZabaQ: you could report a bug to clisp. 11:40:31 what bug? 11:40:33 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:40:41 fasthash-eql instead of eql 11:40:57 how is that a bug? 11:47:41 X1234 [~Username@94.196.245.231.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:49:28 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:41 knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 11:49:51 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 11:51:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:11 is ansi Cl different from the CL we talk about here? 11:51:18 no 11:51:32 there's only one 11:52:10 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:15 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 11:53:08 The Lisp At the End of the Universe :-) 11:53:50 oh. is SBCL an ansi CL implementation? 11:53:57 naturally 11:54:13 thanks 11:54:26 so why do they call it ANSI CL if all CL is CL? 11:54:35 who does? 11:54:45 Paul Graham does 11:55:12 why do you care what Paul Graham is doing? 11:55:18 "Although it describes ANSI Common Lisp, this book has been designed so that you can use it with any version of Common Lisp" 11:55:26 i am reading his book thats why 11:55:52 there's your problem 11:56:10 oh so i shouldnt read his book? :| 11:56:56 theos: On Lisp by PG is worth checking out eventually, but ANSI Common Lisp by PG is hardly useful compared to Practical Common Lisp and others 11:57:14 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:32 pavelpenev i see. why do you say its hardly useful? 11:57:48 theos: because better ways to learn common lisp exist 11:57:50 theos: 1995 is when ANSI Common Lisp just came out, there were pre-ansi implementations at the time 11:58:30 theos: PG has a peculiar style, and he famously dislikes CL in favor of his platonic ideal lisp, which he implemented as arc 11:58:54 stassats oh. so now, ansi CL is the most common? 11:59:07 it's the only one 11:59:27 pavelpenev hmm. but he is appreciating CL a lot in his book 11:59:46 maybe i have an old version 11:59:51 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.63.145] has joined #lisp 12:00:20 minion: graham-crackers? 12:00:21 graham-crackers: An critique of Paul Graham's coding style, specifically as found in his book "ANSI Common Lisp", available here: http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/academics/courses/325/readings/graham/graham-notes.html 12:01:04 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 12:01:08 stassats: oh, I didn't know about that, thanks :) 12:03:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:03:36 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:08 -!- zoek1 [~zoek1@187.135.4.201] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:04:20 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:22 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:05:26 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 12:05:34 minion: seibel-crackers? 12:05:34 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``seibel-crackers''. 12:05:37 Huh, I didn't know there is endp. 12:06:01 coc568 [~coc568@108.86.44.199] has joined #lisp 12:06:23 -!- jsucsy [~jsucsy@38.108.127.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:07 ggole [~ggole@106-68-6-84.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:09:29 jsucsy [~jsucsy@38.108.127.66] has joined #lisp 12:10:39 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:13:08 TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-222-21.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:09 thanks for that link, minion. that was an interesting read. :P 12:13:14 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:22 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 12:13:36 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-164.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:07 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:18:22 -!- robsmoniker [uid6984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykrvwhgmvoqedobs] has left #lisp 12:18:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.176.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:19:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:08 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.176.76] has joined #lisp 12:19:37 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:23:06 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:24:22 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.14] has joined #lisp 12:24:59 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 12:26:28 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:29:15 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:20 -!- pillton [~user@124-170-122-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #lisp 12:30:35 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:31:17 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 12:32:06 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 12:33:48 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-222-21.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:59 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:35:31 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:39:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:40:49 Mr Graham is praising CL a lot. maybe back then, other languages werent as developed 12:41:26 That is somewhat true. 12:41:41 Many features of lisp have become widespread. 12:43:07 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:43:20 if even half of what he is saying about CL is true, its a very good language 12:43:41 theos: it is a very good language 12:44:15 he doesnt like C++ and basic :D 12:44:35 most sane people don't 12:44:50 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:57 can we not analyze every point of that book? 12:45:07 fisxoj [~fisxoj@2620:101:f000:9c00:224:7eff:feda:1209] has joined #lisp 12:46:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:29 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:46:44 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:47:59 -!- desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48:43 zygg [~user@c-c1a772d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:49:52 Does CHAR-CODE return the unicode codepoint? Or is that too implementation specific to ask. 12:50:06 it's too implementation specific, but it does 12:50:32 I'm handling SBCL and Clisp, they *seem* to behave the same. 12:50:36 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50:52 they all do, there's no reason to use any other scheme 12:51:01 zygg: In Unicode-based Lisps, yes. That's usually the case. However, the spec does not say. 12:51:16 These days, you can assume it to be true, IMHO 12:51:27 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:51:50 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:26 Thanks stassats and loke` :) 12:54:03 Gooder [~user@60.24.152.155] has joined #lisp 12:57:57 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:58 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:59 -!- Vendethiel [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.103] has joined #lisp 12:58:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.103] has quit [Changing host] 12:58:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:59:11 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:32 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:00:50 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:04:28 eigenlicht [~eigenlich@unaffiliated/eigenlicht] has joined #lisp 13:07:04 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:01 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 13:11:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:12:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:13:58 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 13:13:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:14:27 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 13:15:31 -!- Gooder [~user@60.24.152.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:52 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 13:16:55 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:04 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: danlentz] 13:17:25 Vendethiel [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has joined #lisp 13:17:46 mc40_ [~mc@164.138.83.141] has joined #lisp 13:19:36 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:58 -!- mc40_ [~mc@164.138.83.141] has quit [Client Quit] 13:21:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:17 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-162-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:28:45 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:31:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:32:02 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:32:25 knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 13:33:17 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:33:27 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:33:48 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-14-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 13:34:00 knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 13:34:12 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:32 zRecursive [~czsq888@220.166.237.247] has joined #lisp 13:36:36 xotedend [~quassel@23-25-110-173-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:29 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:33 in all my classes, the accessor is named -. If I wanted to have accessors generated for all slots with this name schema, would writing a macro wrapping DEFCLASS be the way to go, or is there something in CLOS I can use for this kind of trick ? 13:38:38 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:38:57 galdor: yes. 13:39:21 But notice that this convention is perhaps not the best one. Notably, when accessors are inherited by subclasses 13:39:32 yes to which one ? :p 13:39:33 (view-position window)? 13:39:58 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 13:39:58 Yes to the former alternative. 13:40:03 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:05 galdor: i use emacs to generate them 13:40:10 I don't know, even with inherited classes I always use this format 13:40:18 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40:21 There's nothing in CLOS. You could use the MOP to collect the slots and add accessors. 13:40:34 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 13:40:51 It may be better to rely on packages pkg-name:slot-name 13:41:06 galdor: https://github.com/stassats/emacs-config/blob/master/init_lisp.el#L326 13:41:11 But I tend to use - a lot too, by lazyness. 13:41:12 I thought about an emacs function, but I have pretty long class definitions and by auto-generating accessors and initargs, I would both save some space and avoid typing these info 13:41:40 you would also alienate some readers of your code if you use a macro 13:42:15 I would not use it in an open source project; my use case is a pretty large closed-source personal project 13:42:43 thank you for the information, I will probably go with the wrapping macro then 13:43:04 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:17 a good editor could also fold the slot definitions into a single line 13:43:54 galdor: don't be afraid of alienated readers! 13:43:59 galdor: write the macros. 13:44:07 macros are programmer's robots. 13:44:21 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:29 -!- |JRG| [c209f2f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.242.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:30 I am not, but when I write open source code, I try to avoid any non-standard forms (if*, bind, whatever) 13:44:34 makes it easier for readers 13:44:39 Either you want to end your life on a tropical island beach, or you want to die slaving it out in front of the computer. 13:44:48 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:44:50 macro -> beach, not macro -> die a slave. 13:44:53 ogamita: how did it work out for you? 13:44:58 my main project is another matter, I'll use any trick to make my life easier :) 13:45:08 stassats: still working on my macros :-) 13:46:11 galdor: some people consider themselves at different points in time to be different persons 13:47:03 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 13:47:05 what do you mean ? 13:48:03 stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has joined #lisp 13:48:24 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.82.252] has joined #lisp 13:48:40 you may not appreciate the code you wrote now in five years' time 13:48:56 I hope so 13:49:29 I try to improve, not stagnate 13:49:52 it wold make sense to make it easier for the reader even if you're not planning on showing it to anyone 13:50:40 well I try to balance development ease and speed and readability 13:51:07 bben [~ben@82.109.33.249] has joined #lisp 13:51:12 I'm working on this project since 3 years, so I know that readability is key 13:51:28 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:26 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:53 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:55:14 stassats: I assume that you use xemacs, am I right? 13:55:26 no 13:57:35 Fail. 13:58:06 I'm definitely not a good detective. 14:00:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:28 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:00:39 knob3212 [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 -!- knob3212 [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:01:45 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:02:59 knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 14:03:07 -!- zygg [~user@c-c1a772d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:31 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:03:47 hi 14:04:17 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-187.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:19 is it possible to have gadgets like in qt for mcclim? 14:04:39 you can just use qt 14:05:49 stardiviner [~stardivin@23.92.26.117] has joined #lisp 14:06:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.82.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:20 stassats: I've got problem with it... 14:08:40 which problem? 14:09:05 -!- X1234 [~Username@94.196.245.231.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:09:11 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09:15 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:09:24 some QTableView methods are missing 14:09:58 well, i know that it's impossible to pry out any information from you 14:10:04 so, tough luck 14:10:32 stassats: ? 14:11:09 stassats: I think it's almost impossible to have a decent documentation for common-qt instead 14:11:20 any attempts at trying to help you are futile, i can't ask a hundred of leading questions 14:11:21 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:11:25 hualet_deepin [~user@122.190.64.70] has joined #lisp 14:12:16 why? 14:13:07 beats me 14:13:15 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-cfxxikcvwixkgetu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:14:02 I'd like to do all by myself, but there's not a clear documentation on how write a common qt application... 14:14:44 http://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/ has all the necessary information 14:15:01 there's no tutorial with text and explanations but the examples are pretty extensive 14:15:18 stassats: not for a newbie 14:15:53 zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has joined #lisp 14:16:10 jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 14:16:54 stassats: from that page is it possible to understand how to use a QTableView? 14:17:09 Posterdati: of course 14:17:12 no 14:17:48 what part is not clear? 14:18:02 but comparing the C++ tutorial to the Lisp one its possible to understand the various equivalences between Qt and CommonQt 14:18:11 and from that infer how to use QTableView and the other classes 14:18:15 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 14:18:29 it is not, because using infos in that page one would use methods like (#_setColumnCount (real-estate-unit-table-view instance) 4) 14:18:52 just to find that #_setColumnCount doesn't work 14:19:27 where did you get the idea that it even has such a method? 14:19:31 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:21:32 sorry was 14:22:39 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:23:05 knob3212 [~knob@173.215.135.151] has joined #lisp 14:23:19 QTableWidget has setColumnCount, QTableView does not 14:23:33 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.135.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:23:41 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@220.166.237.247] has left #lisp 14:23:58 I took it from an old c++ I wrote 14:24:06 that I'd like to port in Lisp 14:24:47 and commonqt is to blame for your poor copy-pasting? 14:25:07 and the clusterfuck that mcclim is easy to port your application to? 14:25:23 s/is/is is/ 14:25:35 no, but what shall I have to use? 14:25:42 to do what? 14:26:53 to do a decent gui without get a degree at harward or build a missile for the moon 14:27:02 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-uhyizllcjosmcway] has joined #lisp 14:28:12 ltk, maybe. 14:28:20 Posterdati: you don't need any degree 14:28:29 a lot of patience :) 14:28:31 Though looking at able it's got some ugly warts, too. 14:28:38 commonqt is an extremely thin wrapper to use Qt 14:28:43 ok 14:29:17 I was able to use a bunch of LineEdit, pushButton and so on, but I've got that problem in QTableView 14:29:49 didn't i just tell you that the method setColumnCount is present only in QTableWidget, and not in QTableView? 14:29:58 as their names suggest, they are not the same 14:30:06 yes 14:30:17 and you don't need a degree from Harvard to see that 14:31:06 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:32:27 commonqt has some problems with non-QObject classes and template classes, which may pose a problem for 1-to-1 porting, but most of the things can be easily worked around 14:34:53 stassats: sorry, but actually QTableView and QTableWidget always does me, because I need the "WIDGET" but I write "VIEW"... 14:35:02 Today I'm particularly dumb... Sorry 14:36:38 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@23.92.26.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:33 and you can find things for which there's a setColumnCount method with (qapropos "setColumnCount") 14:39:37 and (qdescribe "QTableWidget::setColumnCount") for more information 14:39:42 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-qbbiwidfgcaxnrcx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:10 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-131-59.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:42:51 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:08 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:11 -!- Vendethiel [~Vende@163.5.245.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:32 -!- aerophagia is now known as CrazyEddy 14:49:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:51:47 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:54:23 stassats: solved, tx 14:54:48 Karl_dscc 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Common Lisp library to extract stuff from a xlsx file? 18:38:24 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:25 those are XML, right? 18:39:30 you can use Apache POI from ABCL 18:39:32 there's cxml and xpath 18:39:34 http://netzhansa.blogspot.com/2013/03/dealing-with-excel-files-from-common.html 18:40:29 eudoxia: no. 18:40:33 hm. Yeah, I'll try to install ABCL on Windows, then 18:40:33 eudoxia: "despite using XML as the base format, is a horribly complex mess that I hope to never have to deal with directly" 18:40:44 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:54 oh well then 18:41:01 Open XML sucks 18:41:35 felideon: great, I can't open this site. My connection is terrible at work 18:41:46 blogspot.com? heh 18:42:44 maybe they blocked both blogspot and wordpress. I don't see why they would, though, since they didn't block Youtube 18:43:24 well, maybe I'll use other language -.- 18:43:42 eudoxia: afaik Office 2003 XML was simpler than the xlsx stuff 18:43:49 neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 18:44:00 from what I heard, the binary xls format was simpler too 18:45:26 hm, it seems that I can save the file as pure XML 18:45:52 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:06 ... and ODF 18:46:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-80.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:46:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-80.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:22 I'll first try XML 18:46:28 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-80.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:49:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-80.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:34 Denommus: you may also have luck with css-selectors for querying data from the xml document (if that is more familiar than xpath). (I believe it currently ignores namespace altogether so I think it should work for you) 18:49:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-80.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:49:46 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:55 I couldn't export it to XML, but I did export it to CSV 18:51:19 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-4-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:09 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:41 nys [~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 18:57:50 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 18:57:53 ... 18:57:58 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:58:05 fare-csv hangs on the first read-csv-stream 18:58:25 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:58:30 Denommus: there are many csv dialects... 18:58:51 novaburst [~novaburst@mama.indstate.edu] has joined #lisp 18:58:52 jasom: well, I saved as CSV (msdos) 19:00:44 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 19:00:58 hmm, just read the fare-csv readme and it sounds like it should handle it with the default settings 19:01:13 read one line at a time and see where it's having problems 19:02:53 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-241-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 19:03:41 already tried it. I quit. I'm using cl-csv 19:03:42 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 19:06:04 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:06:11 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 19:07:23 p_l: IIRC xlsx is basically the an updated version of the .xls format with xml tags around each blob 19:08:38 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:04 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:32 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:50 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-241-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:59 jasom: not exactly 19:10:08 there was some analysis about it done 19:10:32 but essentially xls was a marriageof direct memory dumps with FAT filesystem 19:12:49 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:40 hiyosi 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The list argument is returned. 21:05:33 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:05:35 ya it returns just the list you give it.... 21:05:39 cods_ [~cods@82.241.80.108] has joined #lisp 21:05:41 the first.... 21:05:58 it doesnt concatenate in a list ? 21:06:48 mc40_ [~mcheema@164.138.83.141] has joined #lisp 21:07:19 -!- cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:07:36 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9F6A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-187.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.83.141] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- eli [~eli@racket/eli] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:36 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:37 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-174-43.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:37 -!- coc568 [~coc568@108.86.44.199] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:38 -!- Mandus [~aasmundo@128.39.36.51] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:38 -!- ski [~md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:38 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:38 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atpkadbnozjrlhjk] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:38 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- alabaster [~kubov@146.185.148.80] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- zfx [~zfx@ec2-176-34-198-128.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- sqeabtoxd [~dxq@m5md.x.rootbsd.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- DollyDuplex [~git@81.169.150.203] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- obre [~ober@zeniv.linux.org.uk] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:39 -!- stokachu [~stokachu@cypherbook.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:40 -!- MikeSeth [~me@unaffiliated/mikeseth] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:07:40 -!- mc40_ is now known as mc40 21:07:40 -!- stokachu_ is now known as stokachu 21:07:58 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 21:08:05 obre [~ober@zeniv.linux.org.uk] has joined #lisp 21:08:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:39 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:00 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 21:09:30 -!- PuffTheMagic_ is now known as PuffTheMagic 21:10:00 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Few women admit their age. 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#lisp 22:01:27 there is a course to learn common lisp? 22:01:27 Bike: CLiki mentions a performance drop 22:01:57 Where? 22:02:06 poland 22:02:06 Bike: http://www.cliki.net/COMPOSE 22:02:53 Denommus: well yes you use a compiler macro. that's different from a macro. 22:03:45 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:04:26 You pay a tax with every funcall. 22:05:12 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:05:25 how i can learn common lisp? 22:05:48 ebrasca: PCL is nice. 22:05:57 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:05:58 ebrasca: http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ 22:06:31 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:59 Bike: I didn't realize the difference 22:07:12 thx 22:07:28 benny [~user@62.205.122.214] has joined #lisp 22:07:50 didi: thx 22:08:13 ebrasca: You may also find informative. 22:08:17 Denommus: compiler macros are a (somewhat blunt) way of telling the compiler how to deal with calls to functions where all the arguments are known, while still allowing the function to exist dynamically (ie (apply #'compose ...)) 22:10:07 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 22:10:32 ebrasca: what's your experience level? 22:11:05 -!- JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 22:11:14 not much 22:11:48 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@75-164-5-136.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:41 ebrasca: Land of Lisp is nice for beginners, but it is not free 22:15:21 where courses lisp? (my parents want to study something) 22:17:01 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:05 denommus: i find one torrent of Land of Lisp 22:17:11 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:19:12 fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:20 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 22:19:21 ebrasca: specific courses for Lisp are hard to find 22:19:53 ebrasca: but I think there is some introduction to programming course on coursera that uses Racket 22:20:00 (which is another Lisp dialect) 22:20:02 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21:40 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 22:24:28 programming are mathematical executable? 22:24:37 JulianGindi [~JulianGin@c-69-251-73-33.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:59 -!- axs [~quassel@41.200.154.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:25:26 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:25:45 I have a file .lsp which has a setq. I launch clisp and do (load "myfile.lsp") 22:25:54 it doesn't bound the setq 22:27:16 sorry I didn't say something 22:27:31 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960599.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:27:37 it's working actually ^^ 22:28:34 Lolita: It's customary to use `.lisp' instead of `.lsp' with Common Lisp source files. 22:30:02 I don't have colors in emacs... 22:30:07 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:09 hm, so I can't define a recursive type? 22:31:19 no. 22:31:55 so how would I define the type "lists of strings", for instance? 22:32:02 *list 22:32:03 can't. 22:32:08 axs [~quassel@41.200.154.28] has joined #lisp 22:32:48 is this specifically stated in the standard, or is it undefined behavior? 22:33:12 having a deftype macro that has a nonterminating expansion is undefined. it's in deftype somewhere. 22:33:15 clhs deftype 22:33:15 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_deftp.htm 22:33:35 which is the thing, really, deftype is just a macro mechanism, not a real type operations dealie. 22:33:47 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:47 "Recursive expansion of the type specifier returned as the expansion must terminate, including the expansion of type specifiers which are nested within the expansion." there. 22:34:25 clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has joined #lisp 22:35:24 Bike: so... I can 22:35:37 What? 22:35:38 Bike: (deftype string-list () '(if null null (cons string string-list))) 22:35:48 The string-list is recursively expanded. 22:35:52 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:54 So the expansion just keeps going forever. 22:35:54 no, forget it 22:36:01 hm. Yeah 22:36:04 damn 22:37:12 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:28 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:34 -!- eskatrem [~user@81.60.148.61.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:38 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 22:41:26 I don't have syntax highlighting in emacs for lisp 22:43:00 Lolita: you can turn that on in the options menue 22:43:10 font lock it is called. 22:43:21 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.60.24] has joined #lisp 22:44:57 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:41 my font-lock-mode is enabled 22:46:15 it's strange 22:46:27 few months ago I had the syntax highlighting 22:46:30 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c274.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:04 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p4FC96629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:49:11 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 22:49:56 actually I have the syntax highlighting except for setq :D 22:49:57 lol 22:51:46 Lolita: are you talking about Common Lisp or Elisp? 22:52:03 Lolita: I commonly recommend people to always use setf instead of setq 22:53:48 -!- benny [~user@62.205.122.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:56:12 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:56:17 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-171-233-45.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:56:39 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:34 -!- tylergoza [~quassel@64.178.232.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:35 Bike: I have found a writeup on my question: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Issues/iss291-writeup.html 22:58:50 i should have mentioned that,sorry. 22:59:37 the issue is that deftype only does macros, it's not real algebraic data types or anything. 22:59:58 Given an (slotname :allocation :class) for both a class and a member in its precedence list (the most specific class's slot shadows the slot in the precedence list), is there a way to obtain the shadowed slot's value? 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