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[~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17:33 loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has joined #lisp 04:17:33 -!- loke is now known as loke_ 04:18:46 -!- samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:20:52 sszzqq [~sszzqq@58.254.172.178] has joined #lisp 04:24:53 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.20.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:25:54 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:26:22 axs [~quassel@197.200.65.42] has joined #lisp 04:32:38 If I want to see the result of code which expand specify macro. How to do it? 04:32:48 jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:33:01 (expand-specify-macro form 'when 'unless) 04:33:14 could you rephrase? that didn't make sense. 04:33:22 I don't understand your grammar. Look up macroexpand-1 ? 04:34:24 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 04:36:02 I use a reader get a cons tree of code, I want expand some macro defined. 04:36:12 not helping. 04:36:19 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.18.207] has left #lisp 04:36:38 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.18.207] has joined #lisp 04:37:00 clhs macroexpand 04:37:02 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mexp_.htm 04:37:16 I use a reader to read a piece of elisp code to cons tree, I want transfer the code to common lisp style. 04:37:22 sszzqq: Read that please, I *think* you will find what you are looking for. 04:38:22 macroexpand only could expand (expandmacro (macro-name args)) 04:38:47 you're really not being clear here. 04:38:49 I have no idea what you want then. Best of luck. 04:40:31 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:40:31 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:35 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:28 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:28 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:35 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:49:24 loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has joined #lisp 04:51:50 -!- loke_ [~loke@203.127.16.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:54:19 ggole [~ggole@106-68-217-224.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:54:26 Bike: I want to know how to expand a form some macro, but ignore some macro. 04:54:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.69] has joined #lisp 04:54:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.69] has quit [Changing host] 04:54:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:55:42 Bike: just like (ssqq-macroexpand form :ignore marco-list :only macro-list)) 04:55:43 -!- axs [~quassel@197.200.65.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:02 why does ERC display "[10 28 2013]" today ? 04:57:45 zRecursive: Because the IRC timing server in east of earth. 04:58:36 It is annoying 04:59:22 BAMbanda [~shai@2601:e:780:d:6006:ca5b:bc0e:6310] has joined #lisp 04:59:25 sszzqq: (if (and (symbolp (car form)) (find (car form) ignore-list)) (macroexpand form) form) 04:59:32 er, switch the clauses. 05:00:28 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host109.186-109-110.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01:49 Bike: If I want ignore 'if' or other primitive macro when use macroexpand, If it possible? 05:02:45 yes, like i just said 05:03:20 -!- jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:06:02 (macroexpand (if t (when t nil))) would expand if and when at same time. 05:06:22 recursive macroexpand is something else entirely. 05:07:30 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.18.207] has left #lisp 05:07:48 Bike: thanks 05:08:06 -!- sszzqq [~sszzqq@58.254.172.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12:05 -!- zRecursi` [~czsq888@171.88.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:14:08 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:17:50 wizard` [~user@eth900.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:12 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:18:50 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-136-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 05:18:59 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:19:01 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-171-251-156.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:40 alezost [~user@128-70-199-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:21:38 sellout- [~Adium@75-171-251-156.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:54 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.18.207] has joined #lisp 05:26:48 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 05:31:22 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:32:06 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:32:25 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-176-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.69] has joined #lisp 05:33:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.69] has quit [Changing host] 05:33:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:34:22 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-6-109.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:41:25 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:07 -!- BAMbanda [~shai@2601:e:780:d:6006:ca5b:bc0e:6310] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:29 Which declaration one uses inside a function to ensure an argument is of type X at runtime? 05:43:53 if you want to ensure it you have to use check-type or something, not declarations. 05:44:15 Bike: Yeah, sorry. I actually doesn't know the right terminology for it. 05:44:23 s/doesn't/don't 05:44:24 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.96.186] has joined #lisp 05:44:43 Bike: Thank you. 05:44:44 so like (check-type foo x). 05:45:41 Bike: Beautiful. 05:49:03 sdemarre [~serge@210.146-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 05:51:26 STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has joined #lisp 05:54:43 STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has joined #lisp 05:55:47 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:08 Bike_ [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 06:00:20 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:24 STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has joined #lisp 06:01:21 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:02:52 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping 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TRUENAME? 08:15:22 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 08:15:40 what's the definition of the current directory? 08:16:43 <|JRG|> stassats: the one that will be searched in when I use OPEN with a relative path? 08:17:22 all pathnames are merged with *default-pathname-defaults* before being used 08:17:26 clhs *d-p-d* 08:17:27 *default-pathname-defaults*: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_defaul.htm 08:17:50 <|JRG|> stassats: great 08:18:27 but it can be just "", so you need to do (probe-file *default-pathname-defaults*) 08:18:46 and it contain more than a directory 08:19:04 and it doesn't correspond to the current working directory notion of unix 08:19:29 <|JRG|> hmm 08:19:31 |JRG|: asdf has system-relative-pathname if you need to specify something in relation to the directory where your system is located (which may not be what you want to do) 08:20:18 i wouldn't recommend using anything from the asdf package, see where it got z0d 08:20:37 <|JRG|> PuercoPop: I need this at runtime, depending on some user input 08:20:56 <|JRG|> that can be either an absolute path or a relative one 08:21:21 to get files relative to a source file, *load-truename* and *compile-file-truename* can be used 08:22:24 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:22:47 <|JRG|> stassats: actually I usually deploy my applications as executables 08:23:07 i was merely suggesting an alternative to asdf:system-relative-pathname 08:23:17 <|JRG|> ok 08:23:22 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.93.71] has joined #lisp 08:23:34 because i don't trust asdf to not get it broken in the next release 08:24:11 stassats: heh 08:25:43 stassats: anyway, I took SPLIT 08:26:37 is it uiop:split-string now? 08:30:30 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 08:32:55 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33:19 stassats: yeah. didn't know that. thanks 08:33:59 but i have no idea how this uiop business is supposed to work 08:34:20 is it a part of asdf? should it be loaded separately? installed or not? 08:35:34 M-. points to asdf.lisp, but i now have no idea what is the purpose of having a different package for that 08:35:39 ehaliewi` [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:50 well, that's asdf for me, no logic 08:36:01 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 08:37:17 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:39:44 it's not exported though 08:40:00 -!- devon [~devon@2001:470:8b2d:7fc:a800:ff:febf:caf9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40:44 it was asdf-driver you have to load it separately. 08:40:49 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40:51 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:41:25 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 08:43:06 -!- sz0 [~textual@c-67-169-70-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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