00:00:41 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 00:01:00 Hi, if I define one :after method, 00:01:13 then define another :after method with the same name and same argument signature, 00:01:17 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:20 it steps on the first one, right? 00:01:44 so is there a way to have more than one :after method? 00:02:54 gendl: each after method must have its own particular signature 00:03:18 ok, so there's nothing like an :after :after method 00:03:19 gendl: otherwise, simply extend the after method that already exists 00:03:32 will do. 00:04:07 in a particular case if i want it really to be extensible 00:04:36 let's say by downstream users who don't necessarily want to mess with the code of the existing :after method, 00:05:03 then i should write my :after method just to call a certain list of functions, 00:05:05 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-156-64.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:17 then tell downstream users to add their function to that list 00:07:16 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:47 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:09:56 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 00:10:41 gendl: yes, just like Emacs' hooks 00:10:46 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 00:11:01 igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@65-130-103-70.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:12:36 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@65-130-22-92.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12:36 -!- igotnole_ is now known as igotnolegs- 00:14:08 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 00:15:28 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:55 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 00:23:05 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:13 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:35 Do most cl implementations support ipv6? 00:26:35 00:27:13 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:11 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:29:06 sepi``: I guess that is a library deal. The CL standard is older than IPv6 00:30:34 I can't find out if usocket somehow supports ipv6. I'd like to use v6 in cl-irc 00:36:11 usocket iirc doesn't 00:37:28 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41:45 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:52 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:43:31 p_l: ah, thanks, I already had the impression 00:43:50 this is really very unfortunate 00:44:30 sepi``: I believe the amount of code dependant on usocket in cl-irc isn't that big, so fixing it shouldn't be so hard 00:45:13 p_l: so you suggest I replace it by iolib or non-standard code? 00:45:21 probably 00:45:47 Or maybe do some more work and add v6 to usocket interface (with iolib backend? haha) 00:46:04 p_l: I'm not even sure sbcl supports v6 00:46:42 iolib afaik does, but the docs tend to be a bit sparse 00:46:42 p_l: I know nothing about iolib, I've just stumbled upon it. Why do you laugh? 00:47:12 sepi``: just a quirk. 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#lisp 03:31:53 So I am constantly looking to give other people Lisp projects to work on. Anybody interested? 03:33:12 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@spur.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:08 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Discuter simplement. Partout.] 03:35:09 beach: what kind? 03:35:28 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@76-10-140-246.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:35:41 -!- harish_ [~harish@175.156.122.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:57 kmb [~kmb@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:36:03 Zagaba: I suppose it depends on the skills, the level of knowledge, and the interests of the taker. 03:36:17 -!- kmb [~kmb@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:36:35 It could be applications, system code, utilities, and more. 03:37:08 Ok ok. 03:37:57 I just think that there is so much to do, and if I were a rookie, I would probably jump on the opportunity to contribute, in exchange for advice from a more experienced Lisper. 03:39:52 As an example of an application: An accounting system. 03:40:13 One more application: Document recovery and improvement system. 03:41:22 One more: Interactive glyph editor. 03:41:35 like for fonts? 03:41:37 That's interesting. I'm learning lisp, slowly. And I come from C, so it's a bit of a mess trying to do anything. 03:41:42 Bike: Yes. 03:42:04 Zagaba: Sure, but on the other hand, there is no better way to learn. 03:42:04 what graphics toolkit would you use? 03:42:17 Bike: Probably McCLIM, at least for now. 03:42:41 Indeed. I'm trying to see how I can do a hangman game in lisp. 03:42:43 McCLIM is quirky, but it works. 03:42:56 Zagaba: That's a good start. 03:43:27 Bike: Defining points and rendering curves is not the problem. 03:43:41 Bike: The problem is representing hinting information graphically. 03:43:51 Hinting? 03:44:11 And it's funny, how at school we're learning list, and working with them in C. With searching and sorting and all. And I don't know, makes me laugh and cry a bit. 03:44:19 Bike: Moving/adding/removing control points according to resolution. 03:44:31 Oh. 03:45:24 Zagaba: Yes, most teaching programs could be significantly improved. 03:45:28 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:45:35 ipmonger_ [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:46:21 Well, I get why we do it in C. I mean, it takes three lines to do the work assignment I got in lisp. And I wouldn't learn how it works behind the scene. 03:46:42 -!- ipmonger [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:46:42 -!- ipmonger_ is now known as ipmonger 03:46:55 Here are some examples of system code: An assembler for x86, but with a difference: Don't define a surface syntax, but let the sequence of instructions be class instances that describe what operation should be done. 03:47:39 hi, there, how can i find a function/macro's definition in emacs common-lisp-mode ? 03:47:45 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:47:54 is that slime? 03:48:13 hualet_deepin: Try "C-h f" is that what you want? 03:48:15 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@spur.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:24 Zagaba: Sure, learning C is good for low-level knowledge. But it should be replaced with something else for application programming. 03:48:37 beach: we do Java for that. 03:49:05 harish_ [~harish@124.197.94.160] has joined #lisp 03:49:18 Zagaba: Yes, I suppose most teaching programs do that nowadays. 03:49:59 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 03:50:07 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Client Quit] 03:50:15 Zagaba, no, i mean the definition of the functions in the source code i'm reading 03:50:26 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 03:51:42 Zagaba, i know find-function-at-point can do that in elisp mode, but it can't works in common-lisp-mode. 03:51:47 -!- sellout-1 is now known as sellout 03:52:13 hualet_deepin: if you have slime it's M-., slime-edit-definition. 03:52:49 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:53:46 -!- uzox [~uzo@108.73.162.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:53:55 Bike, that's what i want, thank you 03:54:15 Zagaba: What is your current thinking about the hangman game? 03:54:58 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.27.222] has joined #lisp 03:58:20 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 03:58:50 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 04:00:08 beach: http://pastebin.com/XTT6Jv1k My TODO list as of now. And I'm just fooling around in lisp. 04:00:29 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 04:03:02 Zagaba: Nice! I like your approach to thinking about the problem. 04:03:19 Well, I have it done in C. So it's a bit simpler. 04:03:26 Sure. 04:04:11 But since I'm so new at lisp I learned bout READ-CHAR yesterday, and having knowed a bit earlier would have been.. nice. 04:04:34 Yes, sure. 04:05:02 Zagaba: You could keep a list of all letters that the player has guessed, and when you print the word so far, if it is in the list, print it, and if not, print * instead. 04:05:47 Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:05:56 Yeah, I could use a plist with the letter and a bool value of some sort. If it has been tried. 04:06:13 That's a different approach, yes. 04:06:26 ggole [~ggole@203-59-101-169.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:07:01 But in order to allow any old letter, you might just keep a list of all letters that have been tried, and you don't have to generate a complete list of possible letters a priori. 04:07:45 Right. 04:07:56 Zagaba: And if you represent the word as a list, you could use set operations to check whether the game is over. Like take the set difference between the word and the list of guesses, and if you get the empty set, then the player won. 04:08:18 Zagaba: Such a solution would be substantially different from a C solution. 04:08:53 Indeed. But I don't see that as a bad thing. 04:09:23 Yes, I meant that as a good thing. Then you would see how Lisp can make the program clearer and shorter. 04:11:29 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:11:31 Indeed, I've wrote your ideas down and I'll thinker with them later. Thank you for the tips :) 04:11:43 Anytime! :) 04:12:12 Zagaba: Maybe if I get bored one day, I'll make a McCLIM interface for it. 04:12:39 Ahah, I'm not there yet. If you are, I'll be happy to look at it. 04:13:18 Zagaba: No promise. We'll see if I have time. 04:13:42 Oh I didn't take it as a promise. 04:13:57 Good! :) 04:14:41 Greetings. 04:14:54 Hello hitecnologys. 04:15:00 Good morning. 04:15:17 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:15:20 Hi beach, how's it going? 04:15:34 hitecnologys: Fine thanks. You? 04:16:18 beach: better than usually. 04:16:34 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-11-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:36 hitecnologys: that's great. 04:17:09 Zagaba: yeah, sure. 04:17:11 hitecnologys: Good to hear. Does that mean that "usually" is not so good? 04:18:58 beach: yeah, 6 days per week I go to school so I usually sleep for 4-6 hours but today I've slept for 10 hours because it's Sunday. That makes me feel good. 04:19:17 hitecnologys: I see, yes. 04:22:49 jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:24:26 -!- sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30:08 sablib [~sablib@211.69.194.250] has joined #lisp 04:30:36 -!- sablib [~sablib@211.69.194.250] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:30:56 (How does going to school lead to only getting 4 hours of sleep? O_o) 04:31:07 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31:24 ggole: well, when you have a shitton of homework to do.. You have to cut somewhere. 04:32:55 Getting enough rest is crucial to being able to think clearly, though 04:33:47 hualet_33 [~Android@221.234.36.140] has joined #lisp 04:33:51 ggole: I write code before I go to bed... 04:33:57 I know. I've been lucky. But I've seen some friend who had too much things to do. 04:34:57 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:36:46 hitecnologys nobody writes code after going to bed :-P 04:37:57 hualet: An interesting ... theory. 04:38:39 zhivago :P 04:39:55 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:39:57 hualet_33: nah, some people write code in their dreams. But I tried to say that writing code takes much time so I try to sleep less to write more (yeah, that's not very smart but it works somehow). 04:40:43 Speaking of which. I'll go to that. 04:42:08 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 04:42:12 hitecnologys right.i am just kidding :P 04:42:53 hualet_33: I see. 04:43:08 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-11-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:27 nipra [~nipra@122.177.44.38] has joined #lisp 04:46:44 desophos [~desophos@cpe-98-148-12-80.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:48:34 -!- hualet_33 [~Android@221.234.36.140] has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 04:53:15 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-222-21.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:56:49 -!- Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 05:01:31 -!- antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:02:19 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 05:07:40 pjb: Since you gave a lot of feedback, I need to read what you wrote very carefully, and several times, in order to understand everything. I also need to think about the issues you are pointing out. This is why I am taking some time to react. 05:09:44 alezost [~user@128-70-199-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:10:21 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:13:45 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:14:08 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 05:17:23 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 05:18:33 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Client Quit] 05:18:36 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 05:18:57 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 05:19:23 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:21:04 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:57 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 05:25:43 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:11 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26:22 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:26:45 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 05:27:12 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@2602:304:cdac:a850:e84:dcff:fe78:1f59] has joined #lisp 05:28:02 -!- zhodge [~zach@ip68-8-193-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: zhodge] 05:33:39 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:34:04 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 05:38:14 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 05:41:10 What does :compile-at :definition-time do in 5am TEST macro? It's pretty obvious what's it for but what does it change in fact? 05:41:32 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:41:59 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:42:04 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:42:18 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 05:42:30 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 05:44:50 I mean what is supposed to be altered when I use :compile-at? Body or dependencies list or what? 05:46:35 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:46:35 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:48:44 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:15 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:52:06 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 05:52:21 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:54:37 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:25 -!- axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:57:24 axs [~quassel@197.205.138.191] has joined #lisp 06:00:58 -!- austinja [~austinja@c-50-133-251-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 06:02:08 -!- jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:04:17 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:25:17 -!- hualet_deepin [~user@183.94.95.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:49 STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has joined #lisp 06:29:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.186] has joined #lisp 06:29:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.254.186] has quit [Changing host] 06:29:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 06:31:33 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 06:37:29 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:37:29 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:40:32 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.27.222] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 06:40:55 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.44.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:12 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: lifeform experiment closed into permanent darkness] 06:43:46 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.27.222] has joined #lisp 06:45:35 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:47:12 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 06:52:16 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host115.186-125-149.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52:49 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:03 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 06:55:17 will___ [4cda7ae2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.218.122.226] has joined #lisp 07:00:58 nipra [~nipra@122.177.67.235] has joined #lisp