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:( 01:50:22 Christmas is ruined! 01:50:31 but, racket has readtables, i believe, to answer to the question 01:51:21 sellout-: minion is _it_? auto reply? 01:51:59 cetes [~setec@blk-212-93-203.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 01:52:51 sszzqq: Yup. 01:54:14 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:53 lispyone [~androirc@c-68-51-32-22.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:03 Bike: thanks, let me know a new good language 01:59:44 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:41 jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 02:01:22 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 02:03:12 -!- cetes [~setec@blk-212-93-203.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:03:56 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:14 seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:58 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:02 Will Common Lisp ever get an update to its standard? Is there a problem with its long term viability if it doesn't? 02:05:12 No, yes. 02:06:00 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 02:06:59 C++ (2011), C (2011), Python (2013), Haskell (2010), Ruby (2013), Scheme (2013), etc. Most languages I can think of, looking them up on Wikipedia, are a lot more recently modified than 1994. 02:07:28 aeth: What's CL missing that you can think of? 02:07:46 seangrove: Any kind of multiprocessing? 02:09:54 well, that's usually done in libraries. And to be honest, that's how a big part of C++ update came to be 02:09:54 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:54 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:07 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:54 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:02 Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:36 ASau` [~user@p5083DF2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 02:14:28 seangrove: For one, there could be an increasing divergence between implementations because of an old standard. 02:14:40 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFE18B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:34 p_l: multiprocessing is done in libraries? Can you show me one? 02:15:55 sellout-: well, I meant in terms of "common APIs", like bordeaux-threads 02:16:20 The world in 1994 is very different from today's. 02:16:37 similar to how C++'s "threads" support in recent standard is afaik essentially Boost.Threads lifted to language standard 02:16:58 Thats just a portability layer, though. That cant be implemented without implementation support. 02:17:13 Im not saying we havent found useful workarounds, but CL is missing multiprocessing. 02:19:51 -!- AeroNotix [~aero@37.139.18.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:22:10 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:22:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:48 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23:02 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 02:23:06 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:17 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 02:25:17 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:29:13 AeroNotix [~aero@37.139.18.183] has joined #lisp 02:30:27 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip68-99-254-231.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:07 CL still doesn't have a proper run-program that runs on Windows. 02:31:23 but getting there. 02:31:31 hopefully 02:32:19 *Fare* noticed on r/lisp that gcl 2.6.8 had been released, and tried, in vain, to get it to compile ASDF. defgeneric in an eval-when will kill it. 02:32:30 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 02:32:57 eval-when support in general seems bogus in gcl 02:33:39 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:34:11 arquebus [~frath@c-107-3-164-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:59 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:35:17 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:36:31 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 02:37:38 Fare: does it even have CLOS? 02:37:44 last I looked it didn't 02:38:38 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:50 And C's multithreading is also done in libraries by the way 02:39:35 -!- Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:16 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 02:47:34 sohail_ [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:53 Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.67.3] has joined #lisp 02:52:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.67.3] has quit [Changing host] 02:52:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:58:00 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:15 *zRecursive* In fact, CL becomes stays stable for many years. 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connection] 06:15:49 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:15:58 Did someone already write a function to test for equality between hash-tables? 06:16:00 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:17:29 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-237-88-10.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:19:59 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:26 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 06:20:53 sdemarre [~serge@195.127-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 06:21:55 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:23:34 jasom: how does equalp not suffice for you? 06:24:23 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:05 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 06:29:54 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:32:01 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:32:15 -!- 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seconds] 06:52:44 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 06:53:11 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:53:36 Or more generally, interning the structures. 06:53:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:55:09 meh, I already wrote a function that does what I need. I've written a similar functin at least once before 06:55:27 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 06:56:05 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.216] has left #lisp 06:57:39 really it's the fact that equalp is non-case-sensitive that has caused me problems. The only time I've ever wanted case-insensitive compare is when I knew both arguments were strings, so putting it in equalp is bothersome 06:58:40 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:58 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 07:01:06 It comes up every time I write something to deserialize from an external format; I can eithe read in arrays as lists and dictionaries as alists (And then end up with data ambiguity) or I can read them into their more natural representation and have to write my own comparison function for my test-cases 07:01:57 Are they printable? 07:02:13 Zhivago: hash-tables? 07:02:32 Your more natural representations. 07:03:06 The answer should probably be 'yes', in which case you can compare their print representations. 07:03:21 That might save that effort for your test cases. 07:03:29 Zhivago: I meant more-natural representation in lisp 07:03:35 Sure ... 07:03:39 which would be dictionaries -> hash-tables 07:04:15 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about Scheme, I suppose. 10:57:47 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 10:58:08 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:57 ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 11:00:19 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:37 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E6FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:04:50 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has left #lisp 11:05:34 ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 11:05:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:19 octet8 [~klogd_@171.113.156.217] has joined #lisp 11:07:50 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:09:05 devon: i believe rsr5 does not, but all of the scheme implementation i've used (which isn't many) had something equivalent (in plt it's ^, 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13:24:27 I use it for helper functions. 13:24:29 to remind you that they are not final! 13:24:33 "is probably ought to be an flet" 13:24:53 the final version of the real thing does not get prepended or appended wit it..... 13:25:25 helper functions or helper macros use it mostly.... 13:25:35 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:25:38 Hum. OK. Thanks. Not what I was thinking then. I thought it was used to mark something like "magical" or "special-and-dangerous". 13:25:54 hmmm 13:26:03 I use it for "internal" symbols within a single package 13:26:06 i would use dangrous-!-macro for that! 13:26:07 eheh 13:26:14 lol 13:26:54 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:28:59 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:21 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-auwcgebqyhhlwwdn] has joined #lisp 13:32:01 jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:59 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130902133717]] 13:34:30 Although it was not I was thinking, I'll change my `*foo*' internal symbols to `%foo%'. 13:35:11 will they be still special ? 13:35:59 Yeap. Just not for export. 13:36:15 hmmmm 13:36:59 but it's still gettable at with/vai :: 13:37:01 Normally, people use earmuffs as always, and just don't export them 13:37:04 via* 13:37:09 didi: nah.. I use it for things like naming low-level foreign functions 13:37:13 Not sure if that is a good idea to change ** to %%. 13:37:32 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:35 don't export the symbols, that is. I think % is actually only used for compiler internals. 13:37:41 didi: I wouldn't do that. Just don't export private, internal symbols. Continue to use the *foo* syntax so that people know the variable is special (dynamic). 13:37:58 Right, right. 13:38:17 adhoc: That's actually for what I thought them initially. 13:38:19 If you like you can write *%foo%* to indicate a magical special. :) 13:38:34 Zhivago: Always a possibility. ;^) 13:38:35 But why do you think it is magical? 13:38:55 +%*bar*%+ 13:39:03 That is magical. 13:39:03 Zhivago: It can bring the runtime to its knees? 13:39:15 fair enough. 13:42:49 patrick_ [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 13:44:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:32 You can write foo-----% too. 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I can't find any :( 14:39:51 franz had a telnet service 14:40:10 I'm pretty sure I've seen a CL in JS implementation somewhere 14:40:25 Pupeno: franz had one available at one point. I haven't looked lately to see if it's still going. 14:40:47 in some multilingual site 14:40:49 -!- patrick_ [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:52 or maybe it was a server 14:41:05 Pupeno: why don't you just install a CL? 14:41:06 offering repls for plenty of languages 14:41:24 there's an ssh extension for chrome, too 14:41:41 I just wanted to quickly show something related to lisp to a friend... not worth installing anything. 14:41:41 -!- xan__ [~xan@80.224.236.81.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:41:54 Fare: I know `codepad.org', but it's not exactly REPLs. It will execute your code tho. 14:42:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.67.3] has joined #lisp 14:42:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.67.3] has quit [Changing host] 14:42:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:42:59 Pupeno: http://davazp.net/jscl/jscl.html 14:43:15 teggi [~teggi@123.20.110.101] has joined #lisp 14:43:17 thanks 14:43:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45:11 Gooder [~user@60.24.161.95] has joined #lisp 14:47:31 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:48:14 You can have CL implementations already installed on some shell server. 14:50:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:50:30 eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r179-24-29-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:50:38 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r179-24-29-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:52:21 there's sbcl on clnet 14:52:36 I want to see this plt life use some of these: http://www.buzzfeed.com/maycie/crest-gave-a-bunch-of-kids-healthy-flavored-halloween-candy 14:53:57 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-14-56.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56:28 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:58:54 -!- kanru [~kanru@64.213.97.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:59:10 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:00:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:00:14 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 mop experts: should i be able to pass eql-specializer objects to compute-applicable-methods-using-classes ? 15:02:26 this jscl https://github.com/davazp/jscl uses an existing common lisp to "bootstrap" to produce the jscl.js 15:02:47 it looks like the bootstrapping is only shaken out on sbcl so far 15:02:55 i just tried on LW and CCL and no dice 15:02:55 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:02:59 (didn't try anywhere else yet) 15:03:23 sbcl spits out the jscl.js real quick. 15:03:45 -!- jvns [~quassel@cpe-72-227-135-207.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:05:38 ehu [~ehu@62.140.137.128] has joined #lisp 15:13:21 segv: why not? 15:15:17 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:51 -!- MoALTz [~no@81.153.180.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:17:23 MoALTz [~no@host86-142-121-117.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:18:05 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E6FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:08 Fare: ok, i'm not getting the results i'd expect (the methods with the corresponding eql-specializers) and i'm wondering what i'm doing wrong 15:19:01 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@201.164.189.79] has joined #lisp 15:19:34 -!- kfr2 [~textual@static-71-182-152-13.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:19:42 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:50 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:24 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:21:27 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:21 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-19.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 15:22:22 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-19.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 15:22:22 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 15:26:15 maybe decompile the specializer objects into eql foo forms? 15:26:39 <|3b|> looks like it doesn't work for EQL specializers 15:27:09 -!- dkordic [~danilo@93-87-147-121.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:27:18 sucks to be you... fix the MOP? 15:27:28 does it work better with closer2mop? 15:27:48 *|3b|* is talking about the spec, not implementations 15:27:52 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:11 "If any method of the generic function has a specializer which is neither a class metaobject nor an eql specializer metaobject, this method signals an error." 15:28:18 i would have expected this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139640 , to return a method 15:28:24 this suggests that eql specializer metaobjects are valid input 15:28:26 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:28:36 so... report a bug 15:28:58 <|3b|> "In cases where the generic function has no methods with eql specializers, or has no methods with eql specializers that could be applicable to arguments of the supplied classes, ... Otherwise this method returns an unspecified first value and false as its second value." 15:29:11 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:21 *|3b|* might be interpreting that wrong though 15:30:36 hm, ccl does in fact return the method 15:30:53 so maybe it is an sbcl "bug" (which could always be attributed to ambiguity in the mop standard) 15:31:11 <|3b|> though the way i read it, it shouldn't be returning T for second value there 15:31:39 |3b|: yeah, i would accept it if the second value was NIL 15:32:22 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:34:24 <|3b|> "for any given generic function and set of arguments, if compute-applicable-methods-using-classes returns a second value of true, the first value must be equal to the value that would be returned by a corresponding call to compute-applicable-methods." 15:34:45 <|3b|> so sounds like a bug in sbcl whichever way it should be interpreted 15:34:56 jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 15:37:06 chris_l [~quassel@p5091E4BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:40:03 language lawyering! 15:40:29 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40:34 <|3b|> almost as fun as optimizing or code-golfing :) 15:40:46 code golfing? 15:40:48 Optimizing is fun! 15:41:06 oh, bumming 15:41:09 <|3b|> code golfing = trying to implement something with fewest # of characters 15:42:07 <|3b|> actually, i guess maybe language lawyering is probably better than golfing, since it is at least slightly more likely to have practical use :) 15:42:38 in the old assembly days, we called that "bumming", long before perl and its code golf competitions were invented. 15:42:48 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:06 <|3b|> isn't that reducing output size as opposed to input size? 15:43:35 *|3b|* supposes there is probably a lot of overlap in asm though 15:44:06 the programmer's output is the compiler's input 15:44:16 s/compiler/evaluator/ 15:44:41 <|3b|> right, but i mean 'golfing' is purely about the program text, even at the expense of larger/slower output 15:44:42 Cycles and bytes are both "golfable" 15:44:53 *|3b|* would call that optimization :) 15:45:20 effy_ [~quassel@114.246.66.206] has joined #lisp 15:45:43 Mostly a waste of time now 15:45:57 *|3b|* would interpret 'bumming' as more reducing #/size of instructions in the output from the assembler, as opposed to things like using shorter identifiers in the input to the assembler 15:45:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:46:32 <|3b|> right, that's why i was grouping all 3 in the same sort of "fun puzzle" category :) 15:46:33 cryptographers have restored the science of code that takes a constant amount of time 15:46:39 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:44 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.110.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:53 though for portability, they do it by eliminating branches 15:46:55 Well, it made sense in the days before aggressive OOO processors 15:47:04 <|3b|> yeah, constant-time code could make an interesting puzzle too 15:47:09 not by timing them... oh, music on the apple][ ! 15:47:36 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:47 different memory access patterns also makes for timing variations, so no branch and fixed memory access 15:48:38 No data dependent branch 15:48:38 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:40 Loops are fine. 15:48:43 -!- effy [~quassel@114.246.87.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:49:06 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:49:21 are indirect jumps OK, or shall the code be assumed to not be cached in, with measurable effects? 15:49:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:49:55 (maybe call all the branches first to pull the code into the cache?) 15:49:56 <|3b|> for extra fun, make sure another VM on the same machine can't tell what it is doing :p 15:50:04 Indirect jumps imply data-dependence of control flow, so that seems like it would be a problem 15:50:09 But its easy to program without those. 15:50:12 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:27 not if all the code is in the cache with identical alignment, would it? 15:51:08 Executing branches once isn't enough, since branch target buffers can have (a limited) history 15:51:08 sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has joined #lisp 15:51:21 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 15:51:46 yeah, that quickly gets into "works on one particular cpu implementation, not the other" territory 15:52:43 then again, that's what load-time code selection is for. 15:54:11 -!- mvilleneuve 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ahungry: what kind of failure? what is the error? 19:16:07 and what ASDF version 19:16:33 standard what is shipped with october quicklisp (2.26 i believe)? 19:16:51 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:09 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 19:19:08 http://sprunge.us/LQBj 19:19:39 Then I M-x slime-restart-inferior-lisp, go back to (ql:quickload :pseudo) and it finishes fine 19:19:58 This is my asd 19:19:59 https://github.com/ahungry/pseudo/blob/master/pseudo.asd 19:21:19 I had to do a little bit of shadowing imports in my package.lisp due to conflicts with alexandria and parenscript (https://github.com/ahungry/pseudo/blob/master/package.lisp) 19:21:21 but I dont think it is getting that far 19:21:29 if it fails on the compilation of a QL'ed lib 19:21:35 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:51 Let me run a quicklisp upgrade just incase 19:22:20 yeah. did you look into that enc-unicode.lisp file? It's complaining about unmatched close parenthesis in there. 19:22:31 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:22:36 Hmm; the MIT/X license doesn't really state what you should do for a derivitive work that contains none of the original code 19:22:40 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 19:22:52 I'll just release it under the same license and credit the original author 19:22:53 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p5091E4BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:11 a quicklisp update-dist might bring down a newer enc-unicode.lisp which might resolve the issue 19:24:36 marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has joined #lisp 19:24:56 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:25:23 ahungry: unmatched close parens dependentant on load order sounds like you have a readtable modification escaping 19:25:35 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:26:58 jangle [~jimmy1984@c-69-255-124-145.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:01 hmm still issue after update, but changing the load order for my #:glyphs package to be last seems to fix 19:27:06 <|3b|> yeah, from looking at that file read macro on ~ would be my guess 19:27:06 must be because I have glyphs using 19:27:28 <|3b|> it has some symbols with ~ in their names around that file position 19:27:44 yea I use ~ and | as macros in glyphs 19:28:00 I wasn't aware some packages used those in their names, I guess a load last will work 19:28:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:23 <|3b|> | that doesn't behave like the | in CL read table would probably break things too 19:28:23 Are there any things which are prtty safe to use instead? 19:28:38 <|3b|> just don't enable them globally 19:28:48 This is what the glyphs thing is for 19:28:49 https://github.com/ahungry/glyphs 19:29:20 how can I change my macro to be local to the package 19:29:23 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:29:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:29:36 <|3b|> minion: tell ahungry about named-readtables 19:29:37 named-readtables: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/named-readtables 19:29:50 thanks 19:30:26 <|3b|> or manage *readtable* yourself 19:30:48 btw, I hate cliki.nets address, as clwiki.net is something entirely different (dont go there) 19:31:08 guaqua` [gua@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 19:31:56 sellout- [~Adium@65.101.242.214] has joined #lisp 19:32:14 ahungry: one answer is to use a (use-syntax *my-readtable*) macro at the top of the files using your readtable, make it expand into an eval-when that sets *readtable* to *my-readtable* 19:32:15 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:43 Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:42 ahungry: there are # prefixed characters specifically reserved for the user 19:33:46 clhs # 19:33:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dh.htm 19:34:14 The combinations marked by an asterisk (*) are explicitly reserved to the user. No conforming implementation defines them. 19:34:25 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-242.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:41 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 19:35:59 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.101] has joined #lisp 19:36:32 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:36:33 ty 19:37:11 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:28 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:38:25 I don't think reserved to the use would help here, what you would need for safety if you want to modify the readtable passed to you is reserved for *this* user, which is of course impossible. 19:38:32 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:38:50 Vivitron: but presumably any other package that wanted to use #! would modify the readtable itself first 19:39:01 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:11 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:14 ugh, modify your _own_ readtable 19:39:31 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:39:37 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:04 How does the # type syntax work? Right now I can do ~"something"~ or |"something"| 19:40:19 would it be #~"something"#~ or just #~"something" ? 19:40:32 Sorry I should probably just go RTFM 19:40:34 just the later. 19:40:34 but while I have your ears :) 19:40:40 ahungry: just the later 19:40:43 thanks guys 19:40:48 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:48 #[ and #{ are usually used for surrounding things 19:41:01 [ and { can also be used. 19:41:07 reserved to the user. 19:41:12 So my definition for #[ would still define ] as the ending read char 19:41:17 so I could do #["things"] 19:41:21 Yes. 19:41:21 ahungry: probably 19:42:31 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:44:10 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:57 but yeah, I use #\| all the time in it's default sense, so things would horribly break if someone redefined it out from under me 19:45:42 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 19:46:20 What is the default functionality for #\| ? 19:47:00 ahungry: quoting 19:47:14 so e.g. |`| is the symbol whoose name is "`" 19:47:33 or |ThisIsAMixedCaseSymbolRegardlessOfReaderCaseSettings| 19:47:53 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 19:48:46 -!- sdemarre [~serge@195.127-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:49:09 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:49:30 oh nice 19:51:25 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:25 -!- jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:51:33 if I used #/ as a character, so I could use #/"something"/ for my string replace macro, would it impact an actual (/ in any way? 19:51:41 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:51:48 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.24] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:52:06 ahungry: ccl uses #_ #/ and #$ 19:52:09 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:15 josemanuel [~josemanue@58.Red-79-157-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:28 But nothing prevents you to build your own read table. Just manage it. 19:52:33 -!- Fare [~fare@c-68-81-138-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:52:38 ah ok so not really a good idea for that then , ok thanks guys, i'll do some readtable read up 19:53:25 ahungry: it's neutral. 19:53:46 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:53:56 Do you plan to mix Cocoa programming with your string replace? 19:54:55 ahungry: but I would say that the lesson here, is to provide an alternative to reader macros. 19:55:31 For example, CL provides #P"abc" but this reads as #.(cl:pathname "abc") 19:55:52 I believe the lesson is to change your own readtable instead of one passed to you 19:56:22 yonkeltron [~user@unaffiliated/yonkeltron] has joined #lisp 19:56:29 that too, but I already said it :-) 19:59:45 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 20:03:24 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:04:03 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 20:05:07 Can you use def-constant for manually interned symbols? 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21:00:47 funct [~fn@182.185.138.200] has joined #lisp 21:00:59 Lorcatar [~BostonMA1@unaffiliated/bostonma1776] has joined #lisp 21:01:12 i think slime saves a temporary file and sends a command to swank to compile-file on it. 21:01:19 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:35 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:01:50 the location of that temp file is sometimes a bit mysterious to me 21:02:03 gendl: I think it doesn't use a temp file if you do whole-file compilation (C-c C-k)? 21:02:13 usually it seems to be in the same as the source directory (which is handy if your source code is depending on *load-truename* or simiilar 21:02:13 -!- sdemarre [~serge@195.127-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:02:48 jasom: how does it do it then? 21:04:17 ah, ok, so when swank runs on a remote machine and I connect from my local emacs, I can't just compile code which is not on my server somewhere already 21:04:36 that's a good question 21:05:26 ask jasom. he seems to think it sends the code to swank without using a file somehow. 21:05:28 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:40 it seems that would be the only way for it to work on a remote lisp. 21:05:55 i really want to get experienced at running slime remote like that, 21:06:03 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:06 me too 21:06:08 gendl: I thought it used the actual file on disk 21:06:16 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:19 I'd like to run an irc bot on my server 21:06:27 ah, that's why it asks you to save the file when you do C-c C-k 21:06:56 i'm running two VMs every day (linux and windows), and end up with a full heavy desktop with emacs on each VM, 21:07:13 would be a lot nicer and lighter just to run a single emacs on the mac and connect to all the lisps i need on the VMs 21:07:21 jvns [~quassel@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 21:07:47 i wouldn't even have too many file issues in my case because everything is in a shared folder among the VMs 21:08:05 but the general question is a good one - how does remote swank get ahold of your local file you are editing in emacs? 21:08:22 __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has joined #lisp 21:08:38 C-c C-c (to compile current form) does make a temp file 21:08:42 the one time i used remote swank the files i was editing were on the remote. 21:08:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:57 and this causes problems for me on Windows actually (some kind of permission issues I think, because it tries to make the temp file in C:/ somewhere) 21:09:12 so how were you editing them in the local emacs then? 21:10:04 tramp, i think. 21:10:26 actually 7.1 in the manual probably answers a lot of these questions. 21:10:39 Gooder [~user@60.24.161.95] has joined #lisp 21:12:51 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:27 _main_ [~main@50.240.210.73] has joined #lisp 21:14:30 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:30 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:14:30 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 21:15:06 emacs and sbcl together are actually rather lightweight - by todays standards. I'm surprised you can overload a modern machine with two vms, each running that. 21:16:00 what I mean is that it is probably overloaded by whatever the lisps are doing, which they would be doing anyway 21:16:35 Triclops256 [~Triclops2@Powder/Developer/Triclops200] has joined #lisp 21:16:55 Hello, I have an odd sbcl error 21:17:05 -!- _main_ is now known as __main__ 21:17:13 The name "SB-BSD-SOCKETS" does not designate any package. 21:17:24 But, the directory is there in /usr/lib/sbcl 21:17:47 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:18:03 a directory and a package are not the same thing... 21:18:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:09 Triclops256: try (require 'sb-bsd-sockets) 21:19:15 will do 21:19:45 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 21:19:50 Triclops256: what documentation are you using? 21:20:44 prxq: My own code. It works on my machine, but another machine, it's not. The directory structure is the same on both with identical OS and sbcl version 21:21:39 what does (list-all-packages) return on both machines? 21:21:42 However, I use slime on my local machine, the remote one doesn't, so I'm wondering if somehow the usage of slime changed things 21:23:22 prxq: That fixed it, thanks a ton. 21:23:52 Yanez: A long list that didn't have sb-bsd-sockets until I ran that require command. I'm still rather new to lisp. Sorry about that 21:24:46 good 21:25:01 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:25:09 I don't use SBCL myself, but I'm pretty sure that slime requires sb-bsd-sockets 21:25:31 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@c-69-255-124-145.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jangle] 21:25:35 Yeah, it does for the swank connection 21:25:40 -!- sellout- [~Adium@65.101.242.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:25:43 -!- algae [~algae@akoostix.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:59 sohail [~sohail@76-10-140-246.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 21:28:59 -!- sohail [~sohail@76-10-140-246.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:28:59 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:30:04 oudeis [~oudeis@net-37-117-98-107.cust.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 21:30:25 -!- Gooder [~user@60.24.161.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:14 prxq: the machine isn't really overloaded, it just feels clunky switching desktops all the time. 21:36:19 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:37:00 -!- Triclops256 [~Triclops2@Powder/Developer/Triclops200] has left #lisp 21:37:24 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-242.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:12 gendl: I see. Somehow the files must be where the lisp is, though. 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