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I have _some_ taste) 00:54:33 probably on the discussion list or similar listed on its site 00:54:38 I fell clojure will fail unless it willnot be binded to JVM 00:55:17 JVM is rubbish :-) 00:55:33 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.216.99.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:57:30 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:58:30 There's a discussion list for what appears to be a popular implementation, but not for the language itself 00:58:41 Also, I tend to prefer IRC 00:58:57 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 01:01:56 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-216-136-159.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:35 Hey lispers - does anyone use any of the object persistence/serialization libraries for Common Lisp? I'm looking for something that can serialize/deserialize objects as S-expressions. 01:08:26 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 01:12:08 jleija [~jleija@72.20.138.163] has joined #lisp 01:12:28 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6b4ab.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 01:13:26 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c214.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:14:27 TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-222-21.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:01 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:19:04 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:20:47 drmeister: Elephant ? seems not updated for decades though 01:21:24 jlf` [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 01:21:27 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-222-21.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:29 leo2007 [~leo@123.115.247.3] has joined #lisp 01:22:37 Thanks - 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Too many other things going on. 03:08:35 I've been more focused on getting my Chemistry code working within the Common Lisp environment and getting some actual work done with it. Using it rather than developing it. 03:08:50 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:09:34 I wrote a SMILES parser that builds 3D structures molecules from SMILES strings using cl-yacc within it - so it's working for me. 03:09:47 "3D structures of molecules ..." 03:13:50 -!- wilfredh [uid159@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dsjulzjgwycimwzl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:13:52 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:11 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:16:12 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:30 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:34 wilfredh [uid159@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbycvzyyyfqejbra] has joined #lisp 03:17:49 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:05 Hi, how can i bind one of the "Locals" 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[~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:31:22 is there a book on OOP in CL? other than the one by sonya 08:31:34 minion: AMOP? 08:31:34 AMOP: The Art of the Metaobject Protocol, an essential book for understanding the implementation of CLOS and advanced OO. See the sepcification of MOP at http://www.alu.org/mop/ 08:32:01 oh thanks. i think i have it soemwhere 08:34:29 it doesnt have a date but the references point to books till 1990. it should do :) 08:35:26 sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #lisp 08:36:44 1991 08:40:01 ogamita` [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 08:41:31 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:44:42 stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.157] has joined #lisp 08:45:46 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:22 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 08:47:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:50:43 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:50:57 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 08:51:22 Fare: thanks for the merge! 08:52:06 Fare: opening the issue on the list is on my TODO, given my current schedule and "surprises" I need to be dealing with, that could possibly happen starting mid-november 08:52:29 Fare is not here, for what it's worth 08:52:54 I guess he read the backlogs? 08:53:01 well or I'll repeat myself 08:53:43 stassats: another very small perf challenge for you if you're in the mood: (format nil "~f" d), so that rather than 100.0d0 I get 100.0 --- format seems a little slow here 08:55:12 (let ((*read-default-float-format* 'double-float)) (princ-to-string 10d0)) 08:56:31 -!- kanru [~kanru@64.213.97.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:44 oh that's pretty cool, I knew I was missing something 08:56:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:56:48 trying that then 08:57:12 so that we rediscover that optimising before profiling is an exercice in frustration 08:57:13 codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has joined #lisp 08:57:25 but printing floats is slow anyway 09:01:10 yeah I'd rather fetch them as string but I'm happy not to hack the SQLite driver I'm using here given my use case (cl-sqlite, used to migrate a data set only so that I can write an article with half interesting data) 09:03:00 ok the problem is not there at all ;-) 09:03:34 importing the 8598630 rows took 115 seconds with the princ-to-string where it took 112 seconds yesternight with format 09:04:19 the other change is going from a (lambda (f) (format ...)) to a #'float-to-string reference, where the function is declaimed inline and (declare (type float float)) 09:04:37 so I guess it's just noise measurement (think CPU throttling for starters) 09:04:55 princ-to-string conses less for me 09:04:57 at least I tried something 09:05:37 you can do faster but uglier printing 09:05:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:05:53 I expected you would say something like that 09:06:05 it was just a desultory attempt here, nothing serious really 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This let you redefine the macro character function without having to re-set it. 13:37:09 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:44 sszzqq: then, since it's a mere function, you can always do something like: (with-input-from-string (in "foo") (my-reader-macro in #\!)) 13:37:52 and debug from there as any other function. 13:38:31 ogamita: thanks, I understand. 13:38:33 (defun my-read-list (stream left-paren) (read-delimited-list #\) stream) 13:38:41 you can just do (read-from-string "!foo") 13:38:52 (with-input-from-string (in "1 2 3)") (my-read-list in #\()) 13:39:14 stassats: for that you need to have already installed the reader macro in the readtable. 13:41:03 There you have a lot of reader macro testing as stassats said: https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/source/5e89d06ba1efa1295ae7e0f2be300ae00a08c3d4:common-lisp/lisp-reader/reader.lisp#L2277 13:42:37 -!- dbfffff [~dbfffff@adsl-ull-183-164.45-151.net24.it] has quit [Remote 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13:53:02 <|3b|> s/and/an/ 13:54:27 it's probably not an interpreter 13:55:01 Clojure have too many function and the develop speed is too fast. 13:55:01 -!- patrick_ [~patrick@135.23.123.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:29 sellout- [~Adium@75-166-120-47.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:40 clojure is also off-topic in this channel 13:55:42 try #clojure 13:55:54 <|3b|> yeah, sounds like the solution you want is "use CL" :) 13:56:14 patrick_ [~patrick@135.23.123.76] has joined #lisp 13:56:18 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:59:01 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:44 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:17 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:04:23 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 14:04:51 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:55 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 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That's why we just use (operator argument) for everything, because anything else just doesn't matter. 15:04:08 JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:51 oudeis [~oudeis@95.75.27.219] has joined #lisp 15:06:28 ogamita: If compile-time macro could solve semantics problem? 15:06:35 -!- loke` [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:d569:7bd6:746f:6fb5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:20 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9EF4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:13:55 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:10 songzq [~sszzqq@58.254.168.122] has joined #lisp 15:17:26 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 15:19:23 -!- sszzqq [~sszzqq@58.254.168.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:20:19 minion: memo for sszzqq: no, compiler macros must not change the semantics. 15:20:19 Remembered. 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