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03:32:27 Bike_ [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 03:32:52 M-x slime-connect? 03:33:22 i mean if i have multiple lisps going on the same host 03:33:35 multiple *slime-repl's* 03:33:39 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 03:33:48 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:04 http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Multiple-connections.html#Multiple-connections 03:34:33 so it's C-c C-x c 03:35:36 then type 'd' on the one you want to be the default (not the one you want to delete!) 03:37:30 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 03:37:31 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:54 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:38:08 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:02 gendl: Cool. 03:42:05 yours_truly [~yours@bas2-hamilton02-3096597550.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:42:47 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:42:47 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:42:47 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:43:00 -!- yours_truly [~yours@bas2-hamilton02-3096597550.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:32 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 03:43:44 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 03:44:45 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 03:46:14 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:25 -!- prip [~foo@host147-124-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:50:58 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 03:55:40 Are the "into variables" inside a loop setfable inside a subsequent do clause? I'm trying to set a "collect x into var" "do (setf var nil)" 03:56:51 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 03:56:52 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:57:32 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 03:59:32 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 04:03:22 -!- bg451 [~bg@64.62.178.135] has left #lisp 04:04:10 prip [~foo@host123-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 04:04:35 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:06:41 nightshade427: why don't you try it? 04:06:42 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:56 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:05 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:57 I did doesn't seem to be setfable, the macroexpand looks good, so thought I would ask if anyone else has done similar before with into vars. 04:10:33 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-156-240.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 04:10:41 I notice all access that changes the values of into vars go through implementation specific functions to do their work 04:10:57 So I'm guess no then? 04:11:17 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:11:33 what implementation are you on? 04:11:46 sbcl uses some macros but they just expand into setq usually 04:12:24 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-156-240.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:00 Im on sbcl :) 04:16:10 yay, asdf 3.0.3 released! 04:16:17 -!- Fare changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: CL-INTERPOL 0.2.2, Drakma 1.3.6, Hunchentoot 1.2.21, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e, ASDF 3.0.3 04:16:30 Fare: With support for Mavericks? ;) 04:16:38 what's Mavericks? 04:16:58 sellout: with support for a portable run-program abstraction, that you could use in executor 04:16:59 I'll just use diff approach, no biggie. Thanks everyone. 04:17:01 (or not) 04:17:16 Fare: The new version of OS X released today  therefore every bit of Mac software is being updated today also. Hence the joke. 04:20:42 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 04:20:56 oh 04:22:26 -!- sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:49 thank god i don't use mac, then i can go to bed without wondering any update 04:22:56 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-156-240.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:23:33 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:24:35 sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:38 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-156-240.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:55 -!- axs [~axs@41.200.131.178] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:27:48 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:46 -!- sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:47 sellout: have developers been able to compile stuff for the new OS in advance of the public release, or do you all have to scramble at the last minute after it's announced? 04:29:57 (or, he left) 04:30:55 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-136-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:32:15 -!- antgreen [~green@64.56.254.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:46 antgreen [~green@64.56.254.121] has joined #lisp 04:33:09 sellout- [~Adium@75-166-120-47.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:21 -!- cyc0 [~cyco@150.140.215.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:19 lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:36:16 -!- mathrick__ is now known as mathrick 04:37:40 -!- JulianGindi [~textual@c-69-251-73-33.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:38:58 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:46 cyc0 [~cyco@marilou.fep.upatras.gr] has joined #lisp 04:42:46 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:28 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:35 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:43:51 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 04:49:39 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:53:15 alezost [~user@128-70-199-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:55:01 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:21 dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:49 antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has joined #lisp 05:00:50 Fare: Apple does give access to prerelease versions of their OS. 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To experiment myself I need to checkout the library, build it with ECL. So I mean I can try it, but it would take extra effort. 05:35:23 i haven't seen anyone with Allegro Mac yet 05:35:25 antonv: Ah, I see. 05:35:30 as far as i know 05:35:32 clhs type 05:35:32 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/d_type.htm 05:35:43 gendl: ACL and LispWorks are the most wanted for cl-test-grid 05:36:05 for other (free) implementations, we are mostly covered 05:36:31 i'll get them cranked up before the weekend 05:36:48 if you don't hear from me feel free to write me a letter 05:36:55 gendl: ok 05:37:02 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37:21 i don't wanna go dig up that obscure point, probably you should just message the ecl maintainers and say whatever library breaks 05:37:24 I am reviewing test results from quicklisp 2013-10-03 now 05:38:17 Bike: I will open a ticket on ECL. 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Some of them will give compiler warnings if you use invalid values 12:25:47 Denommus: yeah, but that's not as nice as typed-* things. 12:26:32 ne0UQ: well, you can go out of your way and try to implement it using macros. If you do that, maybe I'll contribute 12:27:16 I'm also a fan of good static type systems 12:27:44 Denommus: indeed i can, just feeling a bit strange that such newcomers as clojure have optional typesystem and CL haven't... 12:27:53 chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:28:46 CL has an optional typesystem, that's the compiler declarations that I already cited 12:29:12 typed racket and typed clojure are different languages that happen to have great interop with racket and clojure, respectively 12:29:50 as far as I noticed, Common Lispers don't tend to try to create new languages on top of CL 12:30:40 Denommus: that's not correct wrt. Typed Racket 12:31:37 fe[nl]ix: what is not correct about Typed Racket? 12:32:14 it depends what you mean by "different language" 12:32:25 leo2007 [~leo@123.115.247.3] has joined #lisp 12:32:32 Typed Racket is not Racket, it is a Racket dialect with interoperability with Racket 12:32:40 valid Racket code isn't valid Typed Racket code 12:32:57 neither the opposite 12:33:38 it's comparable with C and C++ 12:33:42 no 12:34:35 even the wikipedia specifies that Typed Racket is a Racket dialect. If you can provide sources with another definition, I'll be glad 12:34:47 typed racket is little more than a few additional macros 12:35:15 my source is a talk by one of the authors 12:35:22 and live examples 12:35:50 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:36:10 well, C++ used to be a few macros on top of C, and Objective C is still a C superset. Yet, they're considered different languages 12:36:21 and, if I remember right, Arc is also a bunch of macros on top of Scheme 12:36:49 arc is an interpreter in scheme 12:37:02 chris_l: ok, I didn't remember right :P 12:38:16 AFAIK typed racket is a proper superset of regular racket 12:38:56 fe[nl]ix: it's not, you can't define functions in TR the same way you do in Racket 12:39:07 fe[nl]ix: you must specify the times at some point 12:39:12 *the types 12:39:37 although you CAN call external Racket code (like C++ can do with C) 12:39:38 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:02 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:41:46 AFAIK its interop between Racket and TR on module basis, no finer granularity 12:42:15 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 12:42:46 I'm downloading Racket, but my connection is very slow 12:42:52 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-8-39.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:42:56 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 12:43:08 Denommus: typed clojure is not a differnet language, it's just a library. 12:43:45 ne0UQ: can you write normal clojure code inside a typed clojure file? 12:44:01 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 12:44:22 Denommus: what is typed clojure file? you write typed clojre inside clojure file because typed clojure is a library 12:47:03 Denommus` [~user@201.75.24.136] has joined #lisp 12:47:32 my connection dropped 12:48:46 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:46 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 12:49:55 -!- Denommus [~user@201.75.24.136] has quit [Changing host] 12:49:55 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 12:50:00 Denommus: what is typed clojure file? you write typed clojre inside clojure file because typed clojure is a library 12:50:12 in case you haven't seen 12:50:23 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:53:17 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:54:06 Denommus` [~user@201.75.24.136] has joined #lisp 12:54:11 heh 12:54:21 Denommus`: *psh-sh-sh-ksh* do you read me? *psh-psh-sh* 12:54:27 ne0UQ: I have seen it. But my connection is horrible today 12:55:13 clmsy_ [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:55:37 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: i will be back...nvm] 12:56:40 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:58 typed clojure doesn't seem THAT different from CL's optional type system 12:57:10 -!- chr`` [~user@148.122.202.244] has left #lisp 12:57:26 but you can correct me if I'm wrong :P 12:57:29 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 12:57:36 -!- Denommus [~user@201.75.24.136] has quit [Changing host] 12:57:36 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 12:58:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:58:24 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:59:26 -!- clmsy_ [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59:47 Denommus: i'm not really familiar with cl annotations but you can do (ann-form #(+ 1 %) [Number -> Number]) (that means that function should receive number and return number) in cl annotiotions thats great. 13:00:10 but *if* you can do* 13:00:38 (declaim (ftype (function (number) number) your-function-name)), IIRC 13:01:09 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130902133717]] 13:01:15 (values number &optional) would be a more precise equivalent 13:01:32 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:02:58 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:03:17 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-47.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:03:21 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:31 stassats: (declaim (ftype (function (number &optional) number) your-function-name))? 13:03:47 no, and where did values go? 13:03:55 stassats: and will compiler emit warning when i (concat (plus 1) []) if plus is (number -> number) and concat is (list -> list -> list)? 13:04:10 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:36 ne0UQ: the compiler which emits those kinds of warnings will emit it 13:05:21 stassats: and which compiler is that? 13:05:46 ne0UQ: SBCL does. Clozure doesn't 13:05:46 sbcl is one 13:05:47 Denommus: type annotations in CL are optional and _may_ be used from the compiler, type annotaions in typed clojure are used for static type checks 13:06:03 stassats: I really don't understand typed clojure's syntax, then 13:06:28 Denommus: (declaim (ftype (function (number) (values number &optional)) your-function-name)) 13:06:29 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:31 may be used by the compiler _against_ the user! 13:06:32 gensym: oh, so cl type annotations are runtime? 13:06:46 Yes. 13:06:52 ne0UQ: no 13:06:56 no 13:06:59 gensym: type annotations in typed clojure are also optional, and is not a step of the compilation, if I understood it right 13:07:00 But some compiler use them at compilation time too. 13:07:24 stassats: ah, SBCL translates from number to (values number &optional) anyway 13:07:41 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:07:44 Denommus: that's gotta be wrong 13:07:53 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:12 stassats: no, test it yourself 13:08:22 i just did, and SBCL doesn't do that 13:08:36 Declared type: (FUNCTION (NUMBER) (VALUES NUMBER &REST T)) 13:09:31 stassats: I just did (declaim (ftype (function (number) number) factorial)) (defun factorial (x) ...) and (describe #'factorial) shows (FUNCTION (NUMBER) (VALUES NUMBER &OPTIONAL)) 13:09:31 stassats: but it may be a Windows thing 13:09:50 it can't be 13:09:59 you must be reading the wrong thing 13:10:19 you mean I shouldn't be reading "Derived type"? 13:10:36 of course you shouldn't, it says "derived" 13:10:44 ah 13:10:48 whereas you need declared 13:10:55 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.219.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:10:55 indeed, indeed 13:11:34 -!- Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Devi777] 13:11:37 in fact, (describe #'factorial) doesn't show it, while (describe #'factorial) does 13:11:49 that's the same, but i meant 'factorial in the second case 13:11:53 Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:13:06 zRecursive [~czsq888@182.148.95.244] has joined #lisp 13:13:08 ne0UQ: anyway, as incredible as it may seem to you, Common Lisp's optional typesystem is quite powerful 13:16:37 STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has joined #lisp 13:17:30 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:03 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 13:19:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:47 it even supports union and intersection types 13:23:03 cool, i have to take a closer look at it then, thanks guys 13:26:41 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has joined #lisp 13:26:44 ggole [~ggole@58-7-91-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:27:15 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-059-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:36 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 13:27:48 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28:12 How do you deal with threads in unit tests? What is the correct way to check if code in thread executed correctly? 13:29:00 Sometimes my tests fail for no reason I suspect that this happens because not all threads stop after test is executed so it affects mutexes. 13:29:19 s/I suspect/and I suspect/ 13:29:22 hitecnologys: I would call directly the function in the thread, without starting a thread 13:29:28 putting threads in unit tests is a bad idea, IMO 13:29:46 Denommus: but how do I check that threads manager works correctly then? 13:30:03 As long as they are used deterministically it should be fine. 13:30:08 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-84-44-229-123.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:30:16 -!- ne0UQ [~other@94.25.229.25] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:30:29 And it sounds like you're not using them properly which is why your tests aren't working as expected. 13:30:43 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 13:30:46 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 13:30:57 Zhivago: yeah, that's why I asked this question. 13:31:11 finally managed to install Racket 13:31:28 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:53 flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has joined #lisp 13:31:53 -!- flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has quit [Changing host] 13:31:53 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 13:31:56 does anyone know if the flexi-streams package supports bidirectional underlying streams? 13:32:52 oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has joined #lisp 13:33:32 chris_l: I'd be surprised if it didn't. 13:33:43 chris_l: supports as in? 13:33:45 After all, it's called FLEXI-streams. 13:34:28 well I can create a flexi-stream on top of an fundamental-input-stream but it doesn't work with a fundamental-stream 13:35:01 fundamental-stream doesn't sound like a stream for two directions 13:35:05 Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.14.254] has joined #lisp 13:35:12 oh 13:35:13 have you tried (fundamental-input-stream fundamental-output-stream) 13:35:40 loke` [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:d569:7bd6:746f:6fb5] has joined #lisp 13:36:49 stassats: doesn't work :( 13:37:07 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-091.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:09 Of course, my preference is not to use threads. :) 13:37:21 chris_l: what doesn't work? 13:37:57 hitecnologys: how are you checking if the thread finished? 13:38:38 stassats: I thought you were implying I should pass (fundamental-input-stream fundamental-output-stream) to make-flexi-stream? 13:38:58 Denommus: I store it's state in slot and thread is supposed to set it to :stopped after it finishes execution. 13:39:11 of course not, did you try passing 'fundamental-stream before? 13:39:24 drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.149] has joined #lisp 13:39:29 make-flexi-stream accepts a stream as an argument 13:39:34 no, what I meant was instances of these classes, of course 13:40:17 hitecnologys: and how does the unit test knows if it is :stopped? 13:40:26 chris_l: so, what does not work? 13:40:35 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:40:42 Denommus: unit test has instance to access thread. 13:40:50 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:51 i reckon it doesn't just bail out saying "i do not want to work" 13:41:07 hitecnologys: do you loop until the slot is :stopped? 13:41:15 passing both an instance of an input and an output stream 13:41:25 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:41:35 Denommus: nah, I use mutex and thread sets it once it starts. 13:41:42 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:42:03 chris_l: and what happens? 13:42:10 Denommus: I assume with-lock-held passes :wait-p t to aquire-lock, right? 13:42:38 passing them individually is wrong number of arguments, passing them in a list is wrong type 13:43:01 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-210-137.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:10 hitecnologys: well, I think so, at least that's what I would expect 13:43:18 okay, you did not indeed get me 13:43:23 Denommus: yeah, me too. 13:43:43 you want a bidirectional stream? you have to inherit from both input and output streams 13:43:52 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:43:58 aah 13:44:07 inheriting from character or binary is also a good idea 13:44:49 chris_l: your way of saying "it does not work" is not very productive 13:44:59 you have to at least include the error message you get 13:45:11 or describe the behaviour which is unexpected 13:45:28 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:50 I see. Thanks 13:46:09 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:47:24 Denommus` [~user@201.75.24.136] has joined #lisp 13:48:45 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:41 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:41 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:49:41 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 13:50:39 Denommus`: you would be surprised, but I've looked into sources and it looks like with-lock-held doesn't pass :wait-p t to sb-thread:with-mutex. 13:54:02 axs [~axs@41.200.131.178] has joined #lisp 13:54:36 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:26 *stassats* pokes H4ns to act more swiftly on his latest pull request to flexi-stream 13:56:29 s 13:56:48 the current pull requests seem to be forgotten 13:57:05 i did not get a notification for that, sorry 13:57:09 let me have a look 13:57:15 well, i just opened it 13:57:34 but since the old issues and requests are abandoned, i thought something may be wrong 13:58:00 *loke`* pokes H4ns about his pull request for cl-unicode 13:58:26 /o\ 13:58:40 though, that fix for trivial-gray-streams doesn't seem to be necessary, but closing the request will be still worthwhile 13:58:47 stassats: i see only the additional cond clause? 13:59:23 H4ns: that's right, try (flex:make-flexi-stream (make-instance 'trivial-gray-streams:fundamental-stream)) 13:59:58 ok 14:01:02 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:35 now you get to make a first release in 5 years! 14:01:35 stassats/loke`: done 14:01:41 yay! 14:01:44 i'll try to get around making new releases on the weekend 14:02:17 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has left #lisp 14:03:57 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 14:07:15 -!- spike` [~user@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:08:15 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:08:45 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:08:46 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:09:39 gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 14:09:44 JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@201.164.191.12] has joined #lisp 14:11:25 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:13:21 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:13:51 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:15:24 Anyone remember the name of the hobby Pseudo-LispM for the Raspberry Pi, hosted on Github awhile back (used chibischeme)? 14:15:29 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@182.148.95.244] has left #lisp 14:16:33 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:16:50 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has joined #lisp 14:18:10 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-qnkazgemiasabdaj] has joined #lisp 14:18:10 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-qnkazgemiasabdaj] has quit [Changing host] 14:18:10 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 14:18:41 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:57 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 14:19:22 -!- Denommus [~user@201.75.24.136] has quit [Changing host] 14:19:22 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 14:19:38 gzg: lambda pi? 14:21:29 -!- lispyone [~androirc@c-68-51-32-22.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:41 lispyone [~androirc@c-68-51-32-22.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:18 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:24:36 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:07 Denommus: Yup, that was it -- Thanks. :^) 14:26:21 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:08 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:27:13 ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 14:27:25 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:01 Ah, seems like it was hosted on gitorius. Sadly, it hasn't been updated for a year. 14:31:40 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:45 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:32:38 cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #lisp 14:32:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:20 gzg: maybe someone can port movitz to rpi and create a OS on top of it? 14:33:26 (although movitz is also abandoned) 14:34:04 tylergoza [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:43 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 14:35:51 -!- cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37:24 Ha, lparallel promises mechanism is great. Way better than mutuxes and locks. 14:38:44 Denommus: the notion of abandoned for free software is meaningless! 14:38:53 tylergoza_ [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:04 Is LISP 1.5 abandonned? No, it runs perfectly well on any 7090 emulator. 14:39:15 Denommus: As mentioned the other day in #guile, it sounds like the best way to go about a modern-day hobby LispM would be via a fpga, instead of a certain board. :^P 14:39:33 -!- tylergoza [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:15 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-136-25.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:40:18 gzg: Sure, but will your fpga be as fast as an emulation running on a 24 GB DDR3 RAM 3.6+ GHz i7 system? 14:40:48 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:41:30 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:41:34 Nowdays, micro processors have good features for virtualization. (Actually even better than in the mainframe times, since there were a couple of bugs and implementation errors that made virtualization more problematic on good old hardware). 14:41:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-8-39.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:42 ogamita: The point of a LispM is lisp as far as you can go, if it's usable I don't care. 14:42:05 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-17-221.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:42:06 gzg: movitz 14:42:36 Exactly. Once the license question is resolved, Genera will be perfect :-) 14:43:02 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 14:43:05 Denommus: Yeah, but I'm a scheme heretic! 14:43:13 gzg: modern hardware (and Operating Systems) can run any lisp a lot better than LispMs 14:43:25 gzg: if you're a scheme heretic, what are you doing on #lisp? 14:43:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:43:46 gzg: check the topic of the channel :P 14:43:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.115.247.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44:23 Denommus: There's still more action here. :^P 14:44:27 gzg: The problem is eventually you get to things coded in quantum fields instead of Lisp no matter what you do. 14:45:25 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:00 aeth: Denommus: Hobby novelty projects are still fun though. :^) 14:47:02 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:47:07 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-091.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:18 aeth: on a related note, D-Wave uses Common Lisp in quantum computers 14:47:21 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:47:44 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 14:47:58 Is there VMs out there of Motivz based systems? 14:48:04 *Are 14:48:15 I don't think so 14:49:50 -!- busier13 [~busier13@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:55 -!- zeus` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:51:30 I have a spare x86 box that's just laying unused, I wonder how hard it would be to get movitz goig on it. 14:52:07 gzg: there is no way other than try it out 14:52:08 Rather easy, it's designed for that. 14:52:48 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has joined #lisp 14:53:17 gzg: if you're going to start working on movitz, I think a interesting project would be port Emacs as the userland for a movitz kernel 14:53:21 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-23.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:47 busier13 [~busier13@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:48 Denommus: right. that would be the next thing right after a file system and a network stack has been implemented. 14:54:22 H4ns: as I said, for a movitz KERNEL. I guess that involves a file system and network stack :P 14:54:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:55:34 Denommus: I'll stick my head in, but I suspect I'm currently *very* inadequate when it comes to low-level OS design. 14:55:57 it certainly isn't something trivial 14:56:21 people haven't even decided if microkernels are better than monolithic kernels! 14:57:34 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 14:58:08 a mere dozen megabytes, that is micro by today's standards :D 14:58:14 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:58:23 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 14:59:10 my brother will lend me his pi to test the lambdapi 14:59:27 I guess porting movitz to ARM would also be an interesting project 15:01:28 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 15:02:20 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:03:33 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:05 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:04:24 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:03 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:06:03 -!- CrazyEddy [~primatal@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:58 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:08:20 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:08:31 -!- hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:48 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:09:27 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:09:35 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:10:08 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 15:14:10 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 15:14:28 leo2007 [~leo@123.115.247.3] has joined #lisp 15:14:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:28 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:39 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-166-120-47.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16:24 -!- add^_ [~user@m83-185-23-90.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:16:58 add^_ [~user@m83-185-23-90.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 15:17:01 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:17:54 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:19:24 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:22:12 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:22:53 H4ns: I kind of remember you were interested into the qmynd pure-lisp mysql protocol implementation / driver, which is now available on github --- it's failing to process packets with POINT datatype in my quick testing tho 15:23:26 also it doesn't currently support a one-row-at-a-time API, or a mapping one, tho I've added that quite quickly just to make sure it was possible doing so 15:23:44 if you're interested, that's at https://github.com/dimitri/qmynd/commit/d5f3ddff53f02972cc8d1db63904228cfd0b39a6 15:24:02 dim: thanks - i'm not currently doing much in that direction, but i may have the need in the future. 15:24:27 so you might not be in a position to beat me into having the bug fixed then, too bad ;-) 15:27:09 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:12 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 15:27:43 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:28:27 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:28:31 gr8 [~gr8@dslb-188-097-004-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:46 Guest8287 [~on@205.Red-83-61-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:49 spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:52 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:30:09 just a little joke: I was trying to find out if lisp is a dialect of another programming language. now, look at this: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22lisp+is+a+dialect+of%22 15:30:11 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 15:30:21 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:31:09 aftershave [~textual@h-136-25.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:31:14 So I see hits on "Emacs lisp is a dialect of lisp" and "Common Lisp is a dialect of lisp". Where's the joke? 15:31:54 if you type it in google yourself you get "lisp is a dialect of mud" *shrug* 15:32:23 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:32:25 -!- Aethaeryn is now known as aeth 15:33:11 -!- samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:35 well, it seems everything is lisp. looking for a "parent" of lisp feels like a paradoxon 15:33:37 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E761.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:35:26 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-heszdgvlqbrhmpiv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:44 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:14 Well, the joke is on google for not using lisp, and therefore having this kind of bugs. In these pages, the "dialect of mud" sequence doesn't appear, even if "big ball of mud" appears often with relation to lisp. 15:37:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:37:51 Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 15:38:08 gr8: if you want influences of lisp, it's flpl, ¬fortran, and ipl. 15:38:16 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:38:27 cf. http://www.informatimago.com/articles/flpl/ 15:39:19 -!- cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:40:37 actually I was looking for a kind of "essence" of Lisp. could you say Lisp is a dialect of Scheme? 15:41:02 -!- dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: dcooper8] 15:41:09 like, Scheme with extensions that could be built with Scheme as well 15:41:26 gr8: the essence of lisp is lambda calculus. 15:41:29 + macros. 15:41:42 scheme is a dialect of lisp. 15:42:12 sure. sure. let me ask the Scheme guys about this ^^ 15:43:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-17-221.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:28 patrick_ [~patrick@135.23.123.76] has joined #lisp 15:46:58 -!- Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:35 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:47:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:17 Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:49:10 ogamita: I could send you to a several hundered message long comp.lang.lisp flamewar about whether or not scheme is a dialect of lisp 15:50:19 ogamita: my conclusion from reading that is that c.l.l mostly would agree with "scheme is in the lisp family, like C is in the Algol family, but calling it a dialect of lisp is wrong" 15:51:37 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:54:46 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:58:51 *jasom* needs to make a lisp-2 version of C; old BSD functions like "index" cause all sorts of annoyances 15:59:49 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:59:49 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 15:59:58 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.93] has joined #lisp 16:00:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.93] has quit [Changing host] 16:00:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:01:39 jasom: that's the only one :-) 16:02:53 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04:06 -!- Guest8287 [~on@205.Red-83-61-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.4.1] 16:05:25 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:32 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:06:02 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:07:53 -!- NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:12:19 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:13:15 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:51 nipra [~nipra@122.177.51.116] has joined #lisp 16:15:13 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:15 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:14 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E761.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:59 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:53 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:57 NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:39 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:15 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:22:28 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-059-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:09 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:22 -!- loke` [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:d569:7bd6:746f:6fb5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:13 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 16:25:32 my understanding is that the scheme standard came much late in the party somewhat as a fork or reaction to the CL standard, trying to simplify things as much as possible? 16:26:35 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:26:36 scheme came before the CL standardization process began 16:27:14 fe[nl]ix: I know it was well before the standardization process; was it before or after CLtL1? 16:27:58 before 16:28:02 dim: I think it was more to create an educational language, and it influenced CL a bit (but not nearly as much as MacLisp, etc.) 16:28:40 steele's scheme compiler rabbit was written in maclisp, there's no "forking" of CL going on 16:29:00 It was to explore the actor model according to wikipedia 16:29:02 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:25 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:30:19 sz0 [~textual@c-67-169-70-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:01 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:32:16 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 16:33:23 there is also not a single scheme standard (rsr5, rsr6, rsr7-small/big, etc.) 16:33:38 it's evolving 16:33:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:49 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-yavujmsunnvmidhg] has joined #lisp 16:34:27 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:34:42 well there's CLtL1 and CLtL2 and ANSI CL 16:34:55 common lisp is evolving too! 16:34:56 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 16:35:36 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:36:00 is there a prefered reference lib for SQLite access? 16:36:43 dim: i was quite happy with https://github.com/dmitryvk/cl-sqlite 16:37:01 oh yeah, that's the same as http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-sqlite/, I was quite confused 16:37:42 i think i needed to add a few functions (it's been a while though) but it was trivial to do and fit easily with the rest of the code 16:37:42 I just found a nice dataset to write a blog post against, and it ships in SQLite format, so I guess I'm adding that format support to my pgloader tool ;-) 16:37:55 (i think it was related to having a custom sqlite module though) 16:38:47 I'm interested into getting the definition of a relation then the whole data 16:39:16 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:38 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.80.144] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:40:11 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:41:01 k0001 [~k0001@host96.190-226-197.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:45:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:45:19 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 16:45:25 sdemarre [~serge@195.127-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:45:26 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host96.190-226-197.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:38 JulianGindi [~textual@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:54 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:28 -!- JulianGindi [~textual@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:47 JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:06 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:15 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@86.63.2.14] has left #lisp 16:48:56 -!- tylergoza_ [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:03 oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has joined #lisp 16:49:27 tylergoza [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:49 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has quit [Client Quit] 16:50:06 umairah [~umairah@203.106.159.73] has joined #lisp 16:50:22 -!- umairah [~umairah@203.106.159.73] has left #lisp 16:50:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:51:15 Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:16 -!- Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:25 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 16:54:35 -!- JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 16:55:12 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:37 Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:55:41 -!- Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:21 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has joined #lisp 16:57:47 Is anyone aware of an attempt to formalize sets of programs? 16:57:51 (Sets in the mathematical sense.) 16:58:07 you may be interested in the field of computer science 16:58:35 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 16:58:51 I am! But #computerscience is empty and this seemed like a likely bet. 16:58:55 rannger [~rannger@14.23.10.0] has joined #lisp 16:59:19 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:59:39 -!- rannger [~rannger@14.23.10.0] has left #lisp 17:00:22 and "set theory computer science" on Google is mostly about writing programs to work with sets 17:01:45 you should pick up a good book on CS. I hear "Introduction to Metamathematics" is good 17:02:05 done! thank you sir 17:02:48 -!- ircbrowse [~chrisdone@2a01:4f8:150:5307::2] has quit [Changing host] 17:02:48 ircbrowse [~chrisdone@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 17:03:02 "sir"? and basically, programs can be encoded as lots of things, often natural numbers, and sets of those are rather common in math 17:06:30 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09:12 oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has joined #lisp 17:10:30 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:10:52 -!- Joreji [~thomas@135-080.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:11 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:13:11 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 17:13:16 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has quit [Client Quit] 17:13:49 -!- kanru [~kanru@89.202.203.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:14:11 ^Tristesse^ [~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:21 -!- ^Tristesse^ [~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 17:19:19 oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has joined #lisp 17:20:10 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:41 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 17:23:06 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 17:23:12 diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 17:25:20 Fare [~fare@216.239.55.52] has joined #lisp 17:25:39 madrik [~user@122.175.199.28] has joined #lisp 17:26:16 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:27:39 Bike: Ex-military, it's a habit. 17:28:34 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:30:29 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:13 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 17:32:17 I say "sir" as well but I'm from southern US 17:32:36 chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:33:05 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:33:36 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.14.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:51 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:10 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:54 marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-86-239.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 17:38:54 -!- marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-86-239.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Changing host] 17:38:54 marko-v [~user@unaffiliated/marko-v] has joined #lisp 17:40:43 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:08 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 17:41:51 rpg [~rpg@198-74-7-110.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:59 -!- tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.255.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:07 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:33 tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.83] has joined #lisp 17:45:13 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 17:45:19 anyone from cl.net about? it's time to announce the release of ASDF 3.0.3, and it seems that asdf-announce@common-lisp.net may be dead. 17:45:36 subscription messages bounce as unknown addressee. 17:45:55 -!- fe[nl]ix changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . 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I understand that spam is a problem, but it's really aggravating that the maintainers of all the CL implementations expect me to subscribe to their lists to announce the releases of ASDF.... 18:22:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:26:46 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has joined #lisp 18:27:49 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:28:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:20 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-33.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 18:30:13 -!- sz0 [~textual@c-67-169-70-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:31:34 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:32:46 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:33:45 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:30 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 18:37:43 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:06 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38:06 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:39:07 antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has joined #lisp 18:40:57 -!- arnsa [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 18:41:09 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:41:33 arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 18:42:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:56 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:46:11 If asdf-announce wasn't broken, it would be great to figure out a way to pipe announcements from there into the major implementations' developer mailing lists. 18:46:39 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:47 -!- spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:48:50 -!- tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:11 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:24 tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.97] has joined #lisp 18:52:09 rpg: relief for mailing lists may be in sight in the near future. 18:53:34 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:56:40 jasom: the quick-and-dirty way to implement coroutines, is to use threads :-) 18:56:54 pjb: I already implemented what I said 18:57:06 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57:17 Good. 18:57:48 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:50 -!- tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:05 dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:05 -!- dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01:10 basically (progn foo (loop while A do bar (loop while B do baz yield bif))) => (let (...) (lambda () (block 'generator (tagbody (when (not started) foo (setf started t) (go start) (loop do bif (unless B return) baz (return-from generator)) start (loop while A do bar (loop while B do baz (return-from generator) bif)))) 19:01:16 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 19:01:51 billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-141-75.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:51 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-141-75.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:01:51 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:02:14 tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.104] has joined #lisp 19:02:36 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: Zzzz] 19:03:01 Of course, if you have only one of them to rewrite, it's ok. 19:03:21 yeah only one in this module 19:03:52 I found a decent pdf parser in 2kloc of python; only 2 generators total 19:04:33 I had been using that to generate an xml version of the pdf, from which I used cxml-klacks 19:04:44 But that's a bit of a pain to package up 19:05:34 gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:05:39 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:05:43 -!- sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has left #lisp 19:07:42 "I decided lisp memory images aren't big enough, so I included an entire python distribution" 19:08:22 hmm, actually now that I think about it, has anybody embedded python in lisp with cffi? 19:09:44 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:10:59 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 19:11:01 though I'll probably finish my port anyway since early indications are that sbcl is about 100x faster for this CPU bound operation 19:11:25 difference between 3 minutes and 2 seconds 19:11:29 -!- Khisanth is now known as Guest2924 19:12:30 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 19:13:05 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:16 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:13:26 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:13:44 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:14:03 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 19:14:29 jasom: there is a cl-python compile 19:14:31 r 19:14:42 no cffi needed 19:16:30 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:17:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:17:21 wow 19:18:02 cl-python emits python bytecode? 19:18:36 Fare: I would still need to copy the parts of the standard library that it uses? 19:19:59 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:20:16 Yes, but it would be compiled thru CL to native code. 19:21:28 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 19:21:35 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 19:21:38 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 19:22:25 \well [~well@c-67-170-60-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:59 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:44 JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:09 Actually, it doesn't look like clpython "knows" about python bytecode: it is an (in)complete implementation of python in CL. 19:24:36 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 19:25:15 aren't bytecodes intended for the vm's they run on ? 19:25:43 There is just "one" Python VM as far as I understand things. 19:25:57 At least, I mean that cpython has a single VM. 19:27:25 But clpython definitely seems to contain a compiler to its own VM. 19:27:28 easye: and so does jython ironpython and pypy 19:27:57 jasom: Ok, lots of VMs for Python then. 19:28:05 though I think jython has an experimental cpython bytecode interpreter 19:28:39 In 2005, jython actually constructed Java source files that were then compiled by javac. 19:29:10 That was one of the factors that led me to ABCL. 19:30:23 Although, in and of itself, that kinda compilation strategy isn't necessarily doomed. That's what ECL does, for example. 19:30:33 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@217.203.161.12] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:31:54 Attribute `modules' of module `SYS' was accessed. The implementation of this attribute is still incomplete, therefore unexpected results may occur. 19:32:01 But at the time, I found it unacceptably kludgey. Ah! 19:32:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@195.127-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:32:49 jasom: http://common-lisp.net/project/clpython/manual.html#completeness-compabitility might be a guide for what sort of completeness you might expect. 19:33:19 "Ah! The purity of youthful idealism!" 19:33:30 sys.modules['os.path'] = path 19:33:43 motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 19:33:44 it's in a fairly commonly used standard library moudle 19:34:02 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:32 The clpython documentation is upfront about incompleteness. 19:35:07 I don't think I've ever written a single python script that didn't depend on os or os.path 19:36:57 dsevilla [~user@30.Red-83-63-189.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:44 though I think this one is trivial to work around (copy the OSpath.py to os/path.py, where OS is the OS you're on) 19:38:14 vircures_ [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:56 -!- Fare [~fare@216.239.55.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:39:17 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:40:06 and mv os.py os/__init__.py 19:40:09 there are better modules now than os.path 19:40:23 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:40:24 -!- vircures_ is now known as vircures 19:41:36 ie: path.py, but yeah. merh. 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20:32:30 i'm guessing the allegro people and their clients are pretty serious 20:33:28 i don't know of any cases of like hunchentoot or something that run twitter or something, but i try to avoid the web at all costs 20:33:45 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-84-44-229-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:54 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:05 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-130-101.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:26 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-flbluzbhqjvuonnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:47 oGMo, I've always wanted to get a good hand on lisp, and web apps are pretty fun to develop and deploy to a bunch of people at once, im contemplating 20:36:05 BAMbanda: so go for it 20:36:08 The semantic web idea seems pretty cool (web 3.0), pretty futur-oriented 20:36:26 oGMo, i must 20:36:27 nothing like updating your webservice from your editor without even starting and stopping 20:36:45 oGMo, thats what hunchentoot offers? 20:36:59 BAMbanda: that's just a lisp thing in general 20:37:23 dang, sounds cool. 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some-double-precision-numer)? 22:19:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:02 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:25 Denommus` [~Denommus@201-9-109-116.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 22:20:25 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:06 dim: WRITE-TO-STRING, maybe? 22:21:14 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.115.247.3] has quit [Quit: upgrade osx] 22:22:24 trying then 22:22:42 oh that's not the same thing 22:22:43 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:48 I want the d0 suffix away 22:23:31 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:43 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:20 -!- Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has quit [] 22:29:32 dim: I think that is the fast way 22:29:33 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:56 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:12 I'll need to profile then, maybe that wasn't the culprit at all after all 22:30:45 I'm pretty sure it's slow, I just don't think there's a faster way in a readily available library 22:30:57 it took 112 seconds to migrate 8598630 rows from SQLite to PostgreSQL and I was worrying to see 160% CPU in SBCL and 20% in PostgreSQL 22:31:09 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 22:31:24 and of course the data set almost don't make sense 22:32:49 you could always write your own 22:34:20 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 well ok I understand, they use the rowid facility of SQLite as a way to identify the rows apparently 22:35:53 I might just need to add a serial column now 22:36:07 -!- tylergoza [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] 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maintainers :-) 22:40:54 marioxcc_ [~user@189.251.143.4] has joined #lisp 22:40:56 well there's a patch already 22:40:57 -!- marioxcc_ [~user@189.251.143.4] has left #lisp 22:41:05 marioxcc_ [~user@189.251.143.4] has joined #lisp 22:41:06 I don't work much with MySQL myself 22:41:27 all pgloader does is getting meta-data (catalog queries) then SELECT * FROM table; one after the other 22:41:28 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41:45 and I don't want any type handling to happen, I only want text out of my queries 22:41:54 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E761.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:42:04 so I'm not a good user as far as maintaining your feature set goes really 22:42:26 if you want to get me involved, fine, I'll help you switch to PostgreSQL ;-) 22:42:55 oh, you have a patch to qmynd already? 22:43:03 they need to make a mongoDB extension for LISP 22:43:08 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 22:43:13 you know, https://github.com/dimitri/qmynd/commit/d5f3ddff53f02972cc8d1db63904228cfd0b39a6 22:43:31 (I think we were using mysql because there's good support for that at Google) 22:43:33 no patch for it to accept daeling with POINT datatype unfortunately 22:43:55 Fare, theres support for everything at Google 22:44:03 I wouldn't be surprised if the protocol implementation you have is not compatible with the mariadb version I'm testing it against 22:44:29 if you think MongoDB will solve a problem you have, I want to hear about it, that would be a first 22:45:12 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9E761.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:53 dim: My database doesn't lose my data, but I want it to. Can MongoDB solve that problem? 22:48:17 hehe, I believe it's a pretty suitable choice, way to go! 22:48:42 pro tip: turn fsync off in postgresql.conf and enjoy about the same durability characteristics 22:49:38 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-84-119-33-28.unity-media.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:49:52 gn there! 22:52:54 gn? 22:53:47 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54:03 good night 22:57:56 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:55 -!- tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.228.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:04 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-249.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:06 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:10:42 merged 23:10:51 and pushed 23:11:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-33.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:52 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 23:12:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:35 harish [~harish@119-46-174-105.static.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 23:16:32 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:17:24 __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has joined #lisp 23:18:10 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:19:21 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 23:22:20 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-091.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:23 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:23:07 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-249.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:31 dim: if you read that, you're welcome to discuss what to do with the point type on qitab-devel 23:29:00 -!- spike` [~user@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has left #lisp 23:29:56 -!- dsevilla [~user@30.Red-83-63-189.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:36 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-249.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:10 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:17 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:56 -!- Guest2924 is now known as Khisanth 23:47:34 -!- JulianGindi [~JulianGin@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:54:24 _main_ [~main@adsl-99-173-15-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:31 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 23:57:27 -!- _main_ [~main@adsl-99-173-15-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:29 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:58:21 _main_ [~main@50.240.210.73] has joined #lisp 23:58:35 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-210-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]