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kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34:13 spike` [~user@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 09:36:07 condition types, like classes, inherit slots and methods from their parent types. you can inspect which slots are inherited with (describe (make-condition ...)). how can you insepct which methods are inherited? 09:36:42 the methods do not belong to classes, they are not inherited 09:38:23 effy [~quassel@114.246.87.188] has joined #lisp 09:39:01 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0030.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:40:17 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:40:56 "The new condition inherits slots and methods from each of its direct supertypes, and so on." 09:41:06 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_defi_5.htm 09:41:24 yes, but the methods are still not inherited 09:41:40 they just can't be inherited 09:43:09 that's what I thought - CLOS uses generic functions - which is why I asked - so that sentence in the spec is pretty misleading. 09:44:49 so is there a way of establishing which methods are specialised on a certain condition type (regardless of inheritance)? 09:45:31 conditions aren't guaranteed to be regular CLOS objects 09:45:43 spike`: for which purpose? 09:46:14 jsut for grokking's sake 09:46:49 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:46:50 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:47:55 Well, MCL was just for MacOS, but it evolved into RMCL for MacOSX, then OpenMCL and now ccl. And there's CormanCL that was just of MS-Windows. Otherwise, yes, all the known CL implementations run on unix or linux. 09:48:14 |JRG|_ [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has joined #lisp 09:48:16 Genera is still known 09:48:39 Well, it runs on Linux via virtualization of the lisp machine :-) 09:48:51 and there are the java based implementations 09:48:53 how did i know that somebody would say that corman and mcl do not work on linux? 09:48:54 or at the very least, the last official release was for Tru64 ;) 09:49:00 I guess the same can be said of MCL and CormanCL then. 09:49:12 it's fascinating that you have such a vast knowledge of cl implementations 09:49:19 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:49:20 (But last time I tried to run MCL in a Mac VM it failed.) 09:49:52 stassats: what-implementation is at telnet://clis.informatimago.com:8101 ;-) 09:51:11 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:51:15 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 09:51:19 does liquid common lisp work on linux? 09:51:35 -!- |JRG| [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:51:54 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:52:56 because i feel you have to absolutely list all the implementations which do not work on linux, otherwise, what kind of nitpicking is that? 09:53:02 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53:19 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 09:53:33 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 09:54:05 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:54:38 -!- |JRG|_ is now known as |JRG| 09:55:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:57:19 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:05 09:58:06 It's Lispworks CL, no? 09:58:21 no 09:58:26 Liquid Common Lisp® This is a full native implementation of Common Lisp for commercial Unix platforms. Formerly known as Lucid Common Lisp,  09:58:53 If you need further information about Liquid Common Lisp please send e-mail to lisp-sales@lispworks.com. 09:59:09 So they are even selling several implementations :-) 09:59:46 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:07 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 10:01:13 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 10:02:16 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.196] has joined #lisp 10:03:41 -!- kcj_ [~casey@118-93-67-128.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: kcj_] 10:03:49 pillton [~user@124-148-56-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:04:00 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 10:06:25 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-237-55-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 10:07:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:08:05 ZabaQ [~john.conn@86.63.2.14] has joined 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really, it's just the api that i want, the actual implementation is, as you say, trivial) 11:01:33 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:01:38 but bordeaux threads' condition variables is just a litle bit too low level for what i'm trying to express 11:02:06 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:37 i really just want someone to have already written and documentated a when function that takes a promise (or a deferred or whatever) and runs the code when the promise is fulfilled (if ever); and i'd like to avoid rewriting a lib if someone has already done it 11:04:00 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 11:04:02 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05:15 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:10:38 segv-: I think Marco Antoniotti has such a library 11:13:45 I find CHAINS a better way to do that stuff. 11:13:52 Sorry not CHAINS. 11:13:54 CELLS. 11:13:54 benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f230:b85b:d00f:4390:171a] has joined #lisp 11:16:02 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:18 pillton: you're almost certainly right, but just like condition-variables and semaphores are a bit too low level for what i'm doing, cells is just way too much (the other people who'd have to work with this code would understand promises very quickly, cells is a big conceptual jump) 11:16:45 (assuming by cells you mean kenny tilton's CELLS) 11:16:59 segv-: Yes that CELLS. 11:18:23 i want a peculiar api for semaphores/blocking-queues, not much more really. 11:19:22 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 11:19:37 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.159.22] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:24:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.149] has joined #lisp 11:24:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.149] has quit [Changing host] 11:24:06 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actually want queues/channels here. i don't have a single receiver for my messages, it's much for of a single-cached-producer/multiple-consumers. i don't think that's part of the normal csp/actor model. 13:02:22 Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 13:02:49 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:03:46 segv-: right. It should be easy enough to implement with a mutex and a condition however. 13:04:05 josemanuel [~josemanue@40.Red-81-37-183.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:47 The condition is used only to block when the future is not determined yet. When it gets a value, the condition is signaled to unblock the waiting processes, and thereafter the clients won't block since the future is known. 13:04:54 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@40.Red-81-37-183.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:28 Without conditions, it could be managed with semaphores, but here conditions are simplier. 13:05:38 ogamita: correct, i just need condition-broadcast first (i'm going to spend 5 minutes and see if it can be added to bordeaux-threads, an sbcl specific solution would actually work at the moment) 13:06:31 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:06:40 at this point i'm going to assume the specific thing i want doesn't already exist; actually implementing will probably take less time than i've spent looking for it :( 13:07:29 If you don't have broadcast, the unblocked thread can signal the condition for the following thread. 13:07:40 For a first version it may be good enough 13:08:05 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:08:16 nice, i hadn't thought of that. 13:08:48 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 13:09:16 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:09:19 hi 13:09:22 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:09:36 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:09:44 segv-: I wouldn't be so optimistic about the time required to implement what you want 13:10:05 I suggest reading "Programming with POSIX Threads" by David Butenhof 13:10:32 segv-: however if you do that, you must be careful that number of condition_wait >= number of condition_signal. 13:10:52 And of course, take precise care of the mutex. 13:13:24 fe[nl]ix: just when i finally got my to-read book stack down to a reasonable number :) 13:13:40 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:14:09 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:42 fe[nl]ix: if i have two threads that have called condition-wait (pthread_cond_wait), and then i call condition-signal (pthread_cond_signal) twice, can i assume that both threads will get woken up? (maybe they'll get woken up more than once, but they'll get woken up at least once) 13:16:00 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 13:16:07 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:16:24 if that's were true, then i think i'm actually ok, if that's false, well then i do have a problem. 13:17:06 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:17:12 ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:18:13 (fwiw my trivial test: start up a bunch of threads, cond-wait in each one, call cond-signal as many times as there are threads, seems to suggest that is true) 13:18:53 POSIX required at least one to be woken, glibc will probably wake up only one 13:20:10 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:20:41 well, that complicates things. 13:22:18 see the manpage 13:22:45 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 13:22:49 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 13:23:30 it says that the most performant implementation may end up waking up one thread per core 13:24:09 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.64.187] has joined #lisp 13:24:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:24:09 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.64.187] has quit [Changing host] 13:24:09 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:24:47 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:36 fe[nl]ix: one thing isn't clear to me though, if i call pthread_cond_signal twice, can the same thread get woken up both times? (the man page would seem to suggest that that's allowed, but if it i'm a little confused on how anyone would ever know how often to call cond_signal) 13:26:32 pthread_cond_signal is guaranteed to wake up at least one 13:27:28 CrazyEddy [~primatal@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 13:28:32 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:29:46 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-198-95.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:29:50 so does each thread that wants to be signalled require its own condition variable? if i were to share a single condition variable between three threads (one that signals and two that wait) i may end up always waking up the same thread 13:30:17 that just seems like useless behaviour, but i'm obviously not understanding things; i can go read the manual 13:30:19 thanks though. 13:31:05 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:06 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined 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i'll figure it out, thanks again. 13:39:46 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:58 and I'm wrong 13:41:01 *was 13:42:12 pthread_cond_signal puts at least one waiting thread on the wake-up queue, but only one will be waken at each time because the wake-up is protected by the condition mutex 13:42:25 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:42:39 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:43:05 so when pthread_cond_wait returns that tread owns the relative mutex 13:43:32 only that other threads might wake up and find an empty work queue 13:44:58 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:45:52 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:46:47 -!- xotedend [~quassel@23-25-110-173-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:46:50 xotedend_ [~quassel@23-25-110-173-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined 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14:13:06 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:16:43 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 14:17:55 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:09 Denommus` [~user@201.75.24.136] has joined #lisp 14:18:24 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 14:18:35 Greetings. 14:19:30 hullo 14:21:37 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:22:21 xotedend [~quassel@23.25.110.173] has joined #lisp 14:22:51 I'm just curious what method do you, guys, use to bump the version? Sed and stuff? Doing this manually? 14:23:10 ? 14:23:12 I mean version number in ASDF system. 14:23:16 ah 14:23:18 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:24 hitecnologys: http://blog.cddr.org/2012/06/05/the-why-of-version-dot-lisp-expr/ 14:23:41 what are the benefits of handling the version number with ASDF? 14:23:58 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279563839.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:24:02 I added a pgloader --version switch and used a defparameter to define my version string 14:24:04 version deps 14:24:06 dim: there's some way to make system depend on specific version, I think 14:24:20 oh, that's only interesting when proposing a lib? 14:24:31 yes, usually 14:24:32 well you could argue that any piece of lisp code actually is a lib 14:24:39 but also for tools 14:24:57 on ASDF3 you can use (:read-file-form "version.lisp-expr") instead of the reader macro 14:25:04 fe[nl]ix: yeah, separate file is what I use. 14:25:08 are there any restrictions on the version string format? maybe some operators other than equal are defined? 14:25:49 my current version number is 3.0.50.1, is that ok with ASDF? 14:26:01 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279563839.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:11 dim: sure. 14:26:28 I'm getting inspiration from Emacs here ;-) 14:26:29 madrik [~user@122.168.249.13] has joined #lisp 14:26:38 (I think the .0 being a development version really makes sense) 14:26:49 dim: (asdf:version-satisfies "3.4.1" "3.4") 14:27:02 though that should be called version>= 14:27:03 -!- ostracizing27 [~ostracizi@14.128.10.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:28:32 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 14:29:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:29:54 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 14:29:57 -!- hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30:03 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:45 -!- ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:32 STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 14:36:33 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:37:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:31 hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has joined #lisp 14:41:43 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 14:42:15 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 14:43:20 -!- hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:26 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44:06 hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has joined #lisp 14:45:24 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:47:36 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: rpg] 14:48:46 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 14:48:57 -!- Denommus [~user@201.75.24.136] has quit [Changing host] 14:48:57 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 14:49:13 ipmonger [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:06 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:52:29 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:04 pavelpenev [~quassel@148.69.92.62.static.cust.telenor.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:10 Hm, sorry for dumb question, but how can I run lisp code as a shell script? Adding #!/usr/bin/sbcl doesn't seem to make sbcl actually read code after this line. 14:53:26 add --script 14:53:31 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:53:38 #!/usr/bin/sbcl --script? 14:53:57 Nah, nothing changed. 14:54:10 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:54:54 hitecnologys: then there's something wrong with your config 14:55:21 hitecnologys: try pressing C-x C-s harder 14:55:27 hitecnologys: what does "which sbcl" say and what does "sbcl --version" say? 14:56:14 stassats: still nothing. 14:56:42 hitecnologys: I just made a test.lisp file (mode 750) with "#!/usr/bin/sbcl --script\n(format t "Hello~%")\n" and that runs from the commandline 14:56:43 aerique: "sbcl: aliased to rlwrap sbcl" and "SBCL 1.1.11" 14:56:45 No, what do those two commands say. 14:57:05 hitecnologys: Why use rlwrap, when you have linedit? 14:57:12 (and slime) 14:57:30 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.96.128] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:57:41 antoszka: I sometimes use sbcl from my terminal and it doesn't allow me to use some keys without rlwrap. 14:57:44 That shouldn't affect #!/usr/bin/sbcl I think, but I am not sure. 14:57:59 Of course it shouldn't. 14:58:07 it can't affect it 14:58:30 hitecnologys: try executing the right file 14:59:02 Hm, I just tried with simple (hello world) file and it works. 14:59:12 That's weird. 15:00:10 hitecnologys: linedit is for use from the terminal. But it works *within* the REPL (well, replaces it) rather than wrapping *around* the binary which is ever so fragile. 15:00:10 What's wrong with this code, then: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139574? 15:00:39 And yeah, an alias shouldn't affect #!/full/path/to/binary. 15:01:11 antoszka: OK, I'll try linedit. Thanks for advice. 15:02:00 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:02 hitecnologys: http://wklej.org/id/1156119/  here's my .sbclrc snippet for linedit 15:02:05 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:02:16 hitecnologys: with persistent history and killring. 15:02:35 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:03:25 antoszka: that looks definitely better than rlwrap. 15:04:27 -!- |JRG| [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:04:38 Ha, I'm idiot. 15:05:03 I put --noinform before --script. 15:05:43 hitecnologys: You may want to fine-tune some keyboard shortcuts as the behaviour is not 100% emacs/readline compatible, but you should definitely be mostly at home. 15:06:21 antoszka: I use evil-mode so I think it should be compatible. 15:06:34 OK, problem with script solved. Thanks for help. 15:06:48 Damn, don't know if linedit supports vi-like line editing at all. 15:06:56 Never investigated. 15:07:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:07:42 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:16:36 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.196] has joined #lisp 15:17:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:20:53 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:20:56 pavelpenev_ [~quassel@melontech.com] has joined #lisp 15:21:13 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 15:21:59 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@148.69.92.62.static.cust.telenor.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:23:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:49 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:24:36 -!- pavelpenev_ [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:04 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:26:22 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.113] has joined #lisp 15:27:50 harish [~harish@119-46-174-105.static.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:28:02 hitecnologys: try adding a finish-output after format. 15:28:10 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:27 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 15:28:44 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:29:02 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.225.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29:07 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-gyvmixhbzrqekbsv] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:29:30 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:32:56 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:07 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:33:44 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 15:34:03 ogamita: why? 15:34:40 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:35:00 hitecnologys: sbcl does buffered output. That may explain why you didn't see the output of format. 15:35:11 In any case, it's a good habit to take. 15:35:48 I'm not supposed to see it in this case. 15:36:15 (format nil ...) doesn't print anything to *standard-output*, does it? 15:36:26 it doesn't 15:36:36 No, it generates a string. 15:36:48 Use (format t ) or (format *standard-output* ) 15:37:05 to break it? 15:37:11 Where should I put (finish-output) then? 15:37:24 hitecnologys: nowhere 15:37:30 To write to *standard-output* 15:38:18 Ok. 15:38:22 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:32 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 15:38:35 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:41 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:38:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:57 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 15:40:28 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 15:40:31 towodo [~anonymous@209-6-114-78.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:40:40 xotedend_ [~quassel@23-25-110-173-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:38 -!- xotedend [~quassel@23.25.110.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:10 Seems specbot is not in #emacs and people are sad. 15:43:20 Is there a way to invite it? 15:44:08 it doesn't have the elisp index 15:44:26 Sure, but they may want to ask for clhs or r5rs. 15:44:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.72.194] has joined #lisp 15:44:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.72.194] has quit [Changing host] 15:44:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:44:35 elisp car 15:44:35 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for car. 15:44:36 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 15:44:44 specbot help mentions elisp. 15:44:47 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:48 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:02 birny has been awol from #emacs as well 15:45:42 we have fsbot for elisp lookups but references to other lisps are also often useful as ogamita mentioned 15:45:57 there's no r5rs either 15:46:12 Is clisp still the most reliable lisp to use on windows? 15:46:22 no? 15:46:28 jasom: stable. But ccl is good too. 15:46:33 ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has joined #lisp 15:46:41 It's been about a decade since I tried any lisp on windows and sbcl was very crashy on windows then 15:46:44 jasom: sbcl has been getting good recently too 15:46:48 And work has been done on sbcl, it should be usable nowadays. 15:47:07 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:47:36 -!- harish [~harish@119-46-174-105.static.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:48:24 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:48:29 who administers specbot? 15:49:32 ogamita: isn't ccl 64-bit only? 15:50:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:46 nevermind, they mention 32-bit x86 support on their install guide now 15:51:16 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:51:20 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:45 jlf: i do 15:54:52 stassats: ah, ok -- would you mind having it frequent #emacs? with birny gone we don't have a convenient in-channel clhs lookup anymore. 15:54:54 as far as I know, all the ccl distributions ship with both 32bit and 64bit executables. 15:55:05 jlf: ok 15:55:18 stassats: great, thank you. 15:55:48 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:59 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56:02 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 15:56:31 chaotic_good [~gschuette@206.190.79.131] has joined #lisp 15:56:32 *jasom* spends nearly all his time in x86-64 linux so all information in his brain about imeplementations on other platforms is hopelessly out-of-date 15:56:44 freebsd netbsd openbsd oh my 15:57:05 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:05 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:06 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.31] has joined #lisp 15:57:38 gendl: except for ARM 15:57:50 the porting just have started 15:58:09 Last time I installed ccl on something other than linux it supported 32/64 Power, but only 64 x86 15:58:37 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:37 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:51 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:59:27 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:41 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:30 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:35 JuanDaugherty [~juand@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:02:07 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:02:24 peterhil [~peterhil@cs181170084.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:03:57 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.228.44] has joined #lisp 16:07:12 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:07:20 eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.255.250] has joined #lisp 16:08:46 -!- w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:29 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:31 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.228.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:10 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 16:12:05 -!- prip [~foo@95.237.24.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:45 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:12:54 is steel bank awesome or what? 16:13:10 chaotic_good: bloody love it! 16:13:19 now what about CMU cl? 16:13:25 that one si good as well? 16:13:28 It's derived from cmucl which has a good compiler named Python, and much improved upon it. 16:13:29 and clisp? 16:13:34 ah 16:13:37 interesting 16:13:52 Therefore sbcl has a very good CL compiler; a little slow, but producing code on par with most C compilers. 16:13:56 harish [~harish@119-46-174-105.static.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:13:58 -!- eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.255.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:12 aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.225.132] has joined #lisp 16:14:44 clisp has an interpreter, and a simple and fast compiler that targets a lisp VM. Therefore it generates compact code, and since it's written in C ("c"lisp), it's easily portable on a wide variety of systems. 16:15:10 As interpreter, it can execute code right away, so it's quick for scripts. 16:15:11 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:15:13 I wouldn't say "easily" 16:15:48 /has been ported/ then. 16:15:53 it's full of many assembly "optimizations" which are quite fragile 16:16:10 and its ffi library is even worse 16:16:24 and it assumes a C style stack 16:16:25 -!- aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.225.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:26 chaotic_good: hehe sorry about my comment, I thought you were just happy using it! 16:16:27 Yes, you have to consider it "optional" :-) 16:16:31 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:50 joshe: it doesn't even work for me on linux-x86 16:16:53 Or should I say a traditional C stack (C doesn't specify the stack) 16:17:12 That said, indeed, there's no implementation written in pure standard C; I don't know why they all try to optimize things out by being very specific to the platform or processor. 16:17:24 ogamita: how close is ec? 16:17:26 er ecl? 16:17:35 but i can't be bothered to see why, since clisp maintainers do not care about bugs anymore 16:18:04 A implementation written in pure standard C would be more easily compiled in various strange environment such as Android or iOS or new processors. 16:18:14 Also there was someone in here writing a pure C++ implementation IIRC 16:18:41 ecl is good. it has an interpreter, a byte code compiler like clisp, and a compiler to native code using $CC as backend (gcc usually). 16:18:48 anyone do a lisp in forth yet? 16:18:53 Now, on strange environment, you may not have a gcc toolchains 16:19:09 chaotic_good: some forthers like to talk about it from time to time 16:19:18 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-rxsbqgpmgdmhzvfr] has joined #lisp 16:19:19 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-rxsbqgpmgdmhzvfr] has quit [Changing host] 16:19:19 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:19:23 ogamita: or even emscripten; I tried porting clisp to emscripten and got really far but then ran into issues where it does stack-pointer manipulation directly, ignoring C completely 16:19:27 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:32 forth is kinda cool 16:19:54 now scheme is different from common lisp how? 16:19:58 jasom: Agreed, it's quite hairy. "optimizations" 16:20:05 why does paul grham say that scheme doesnt have real macroes? 16:20:09 chaotic_good: Java is different from C++ how? 16:20:15 chaotic_good: two completely different language 16:20:16 s 16:20:29 oow java vs c+ i duno 16:20:30 lol 16:20:40 chaotic_good: they are two very different languages that share a similar syntax 16:20:52 ok 16:20:53 chaotic_good: r5rs has hygienic macros. 16:20:57 k0001 [~k0001@host15.186-125-113.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:21:04 real macros let you do all the dirty tricks you want. 16:21:10 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:20 prip [~foo@95.237.24.170] has joined #lisp 16:21:46 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.196] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 16:21:47 chaotic_good: they're not that different: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/intersection-r5rs-common-lisp-emacs-lisp/ 16:21:51 -!- kanru` [~kanru@89.202.203.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:22:18 ( sh, csh, fortran and C are not that different either :-) ) 16:22:25 chaotic_good: and pg says it doesn't have "real" macros since traditional lisp macros are just functions that input s-exp and output s-exp with arbitrary transformations. scheme has a macro system designed to make the common case easier at expense of making the more interesting cases much harder. Also Lisp's macro system wouldn't work well with scheme's lack of packages 16:22:36 aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.228.56] has joined #lisp 16:22:50 -!- DGASAU [~user@astaro-nat.exasol.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:24:33 and lisp-1-ness 16:25:18 -!- chaotic_good [~gschuette@206.190.79.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:25:19 (flet ((cl:car ()))) is forbidden in CL. (lambda (car)) is not in scheme. 16:25:50 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-136-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 16:25:56 ogamita: right, but there is a lot of convention that makes something like (flet ((someone-elses-package:foo ()))) considered Bad 16:26:07 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:26:28 Not at all. 16:26:37 ogamita: so if you do that and then invoke a macro that relies on someone-elses-package:foo being fbound to something specific, it's your fault, not the macro-writer's fault 16:26:41 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:44 If foo is exported, you can do whatever you want, unless it comes from CL. 16:26:45 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-127.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:56 jasom: yes. 16:27:01 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:27:02 ogamita: okay, not bad, but "do so carefully" 16:27:06 That's where non-hygience becomes powerful. 16:27:14 To shoot you in the foot, or to do nice hacks. 16:27:18 chaotic_good [~gschuette@206.190.79.131] has joined #lisp 16:27:21 chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:35 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:10 I had always thought fbinding cl: symbols was disallowed for performance reasons, but I read a c.l.l thread last week that said it was for macrology 16:28:24 Now, the disciplined CL programmer would avoid those "nice hacks", and would prefer a more direct and more maintainable approach. But that's a different question. CL gives you freedom. 16:28:32 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 16:28:54 jasom: it's for both. CL is full of happy serendipity. 16:29:05 *ogamita* will commute now 16:29:23 ogamita + 3 => 3 + ogamita 16:30:36 wait, this is #lisp... (= (funcall ogamita x y) (funcall ogamita y x)) 16:30:44 dirty triks! 16:31:40 I am intrigued by cl-irregex 16:31:48 it seems a better regex than perl? 16:31:49 -!- prip [~foo@95.237.24.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:15 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:35 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 16:38:15 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 16:41:31 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:44 agspathis [~user@dsl-aautwa.dyn.edudsl.gr] has joined #lisp 16:44:12 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-wrbborvkypqtmxou] has joined #lisp 16:44:58 prip [~foo@host147-124-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:45:07 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:48:06 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-198-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:40 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-55.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:23 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 16:50:14 you might be interested into cl-ppcre then 16:50:38 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:20 is cl-irregex releated to irregexp? 16:52:04 -!- tylergoza [~quassel@72.29.34.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:17 chaotic_good: do you mean cl-irregsexp? 16:53:19 umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.225.133] has joined #lisp 16:54:04 *jasom* hasn't used that, but has used the sexp syntax for cl-ppcre; I needed to do posix shell-globbing, which is essentially posix egrep with special handling of the #\/ character, so I wrote a simple parser to cl-ppcre for that 16:54:44 *dim* wrote a cl parser that produces cl-ppcre sexp syntax too, it's a great thing to have here 16:55:08 -!- aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.228.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55:15 dim: why write a parser ? 16:55:24 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:35 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:43 the input syntax I was interested into was ABNF, the one found in RFC docs 16:55:49 montabeau [~abeaumont@77.231.255.230] has joined #lisp 16:55:57 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:56:07 aah 16:56:10 goodie 16:56:14 see http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=blob;f=lib/abnf/README.md;h=0be3624dd92ff9e2f9426b1738c85968b83b26e5;hb=HEAD for the README and some level of details 16:56:16 is it publick ? 16:56:23 and yes, you can use most egrep atoms in posix globs; I was surprised to learn that (e.g. do ls [[:digit:]]* for a list of all files begining with a digit 16:56:43 huh 16:56:54 the licence makes it public, it's part of pgloader though as of now 16:57:06 I should see about publishing it separately 16:57:17 just ask and I'll build a github project for that 16:57:33 and then for the db3 code inherited from Xach 16:57:50 -!- umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.225.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:58:38 -!- montabeau [~abeaumont@77.231.255.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:53 dim: that's neat 16:59:03 thanks! 16:59:15 ok now I have some motivation to split up that lib apart on github 16:59:24 I might as well do that after dinner ;-) 16:59:46 good, because I want to add a URI library to iolib 17:00:12 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-wrbborvkypqtmxou] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:00:13 I started writing an ABNF compiler but I hadn't thought of just using cl-ppcre 17:00:38 you should be able to copy/paste the grammar from the RFC page then 17:01:19 I'll publish apart in 2h or 3h about, meanwhile you can play with the pgloader repository of course 17:01:36 fe[nl]ix: puri no good? 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18:00:57 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-132-244.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:00:58 nipra [~nipra@122.177.51.116] has joined #lisp 18:01:07 for scripting 18:01:15 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:00 I want CL if possible, hate scheme's macros ugh 18:06:03 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 18:06:48 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:08:21 Ener2: not any CL's that i know of excepting ECL 18:08:35 sigh :( 18:08:56 Ener2: however if you go from the other direction, it may be doable .. i.e., load you C++ lib with some C wrappers and make callbacks to CL 18:08:59 er 18:09:07 load CL and then load your lib .. etc 18:09:27 I want to use cl as scripting within c++ 18:09:40 I would go for scheme but that macro system is terrible 18:11:06 try haskell 18:11:12 bl0 [~x0a@91.150.147.9.internetia.net.pl] has joined #lisp 18:11:12 or skip c++ 18:11:16 just code in common lisp 18:11:18 :) 18:12:10 well I think c++ would suit the role for in it, want to make game but ai would be controlled by cl 18:12:32 I heard c++ is evil incarnate 18:12:47 Ener2: you might visit #lispgames, we're working on stuff .. no reason you can't just use CL for everything 18:13:12 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:26 I wish someone would port myth2 soulblighter to common lisp 18:13:30 and add more baddies 18:13:34 oow such good game 18:13:51 Ener2: drmeister is working on a CL implementation written in C++ (using parts of ecl) that is designed to be "embedded" in C++ programs (notably drmeister's C++ programs). 18:14:07 oh? 18:14:09 Ener2: so you may want to contact him when he appears here. 18:14:12 okay 18:14:38 Otherwise, ecl can be compiled with a C++ compiler, and may integrate very well with C++ programs. 18:15:15 The only thing is that FFI to C++ templates is not practical. 18:16:04 yeah I did that thing year ago and didnt like it 18:16:10 that is why I am looking for alternatives 18:16:19 ecl is good for c 18:16:40 but writing TONS of boilerplate code to just wrap c++ calls to lisp and vice versa... 18:16:47 I don't think you'll like it better anyways: the problem is that a lot of things in C++ ABI are C++ implementation dependant. 18:16:54 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:01 So the boilerplate will have to be generated in any case. 18:17:29 well how come other languages such as angelscript have no trouble with it? 18:17:58 I don't know. Check how they do it, and do the same from lisp? 18:18:41 well I am mostly concerned from c++->lisp side than other way around 18:18:58 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 18:19:08 Ah good. 18:19:19 For C++ -> lisp, ecl should be perfect. 18:19:53 well another thing about ecl is the bloatness of features 18:20:02 Notice how the headers in /usr/include/ecl contain the #ifdef __cplusplus / extern "C" { / #endif boiler plate. 18:20:02 18:20:08 its whole ansi common lisp which is too big for embedded use 18:20:11 ecl is a full CL implementation. 18:20:22 You can try lisp500.c 18:20:42 It's a subset of CL implemented in 500 LoC of C (plus 500 LoC of lisp). 18:21:02 Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:21:41 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:48 can it do anything? :D 18:22:21 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 18:22:48 It is surprizingly featureful for its size. 18:23:55 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:24:53 -!- JesseH [~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:09 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:27:10 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:27:30 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:31 picolisp isnt bloated! 18:29:06 can it be embedded? 18:30:13 dunno 18:30:17 u running on rasberypy? 18:31:26 ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.225.82] has joined #lisp 18:31:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:47 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@cs181170084.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:33:16 -!- montabeau [~abeaumont@77.231.255.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:54 oudeis [~oudeis@109.55.222.102] has joined #lisp 18:34:31 nope 18:34:38 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:34:48 I mean embedded as in embedded in other application not as in embedded in small system 18:35:09 then it has no limit on the size 18:36:20 MoHaX [~lux@178.122.49.92] has joined #lisp 18:37:12 How many different ways of destructuring are there in lisp? 18:37:24 three 18:37:33 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:38:30 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 18:38:47 I used (foo &rest r) when I needed (foo . r) 18:39:29 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:59 peterhil [~peterhil@cs181170084.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:40:22 loop destructuring is different from macro and destructuring-bind destructuring, and can only use the latter 18:41:27 ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:41:33 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:41:34 -!- ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.225.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:46 -!- MoHaX [~lux@178.122.49.92] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:42:01 ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.225.82] has joined #lisp 18:42:48 -!- ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 18:42:54 -!- ontabeaum is now known as abeaumont 18:43:49 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.219.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:43:55 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 18:45:20 ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:45:58 JesseH [~JesseH@ip98-164-152-51.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:00 -!- JesseH [~JesseH@ip98-164-152-51.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:46:00 JesseH [~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh] has joined #lisp 18:46:04 -!- ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 18:46:47 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-31-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:39 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-68-225-98.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 18:48:57 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:49:50 -!- sellout- [~Adium@97-118-121-18.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:28 -!- PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has left #lisp 18:51:17 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 18:52:39 How do I set the float traps of SBCL? I know `sb-int:with-float-traps-masked', but I want to mask it globally. A foreign library is been naughty. 18:54:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:11 -!- Ener2 [~Battler@158.194.168.92] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 18:54:22 josemanuel [~josemanue@80.30.112.110] has joined #lisp 18:54:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.72.194] has joined #lisp 18:54:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.72.194] has quit [Changing host] 18:54:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:54:59 `sb-vm::float-trap-mask' seems promising, but its internal nature makes me nervous. 18:56:00 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:43 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 18:57:02 let's see about that new github repositories then 18:58:38 didi: it's done with sb-vm:floating-point-modes/(setf sb-vm:floating-point-modes) 18:59:08 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:17 stassats: Thank you. 18:59:58 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@cs181170084.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:00:58 JulianGindi [~textual@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:56 fe[nl]ix: https://github.com/dimitri/cl-abnf 19:04:45 sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:37 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:09:06 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:11 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:19 didi: I've used (sb-int:set-floating-point-modes :traps nil) 19:11:05 to disable floating point traps so that nasty C++ code does not cause trouble ... 19:11:33 brown``: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the analog to (:divide-by-zero) of `with-float-traps-masked' is. 19:12:32 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC63135.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:13:12 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:25 -!- bl0 [~x0a@91.150.147.9.internetia.net.pl] has left #lisp 19:16:40 brown``: Nah, I'll copy you. Thank you. 19:17:01 PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has joined #lisp 19:21:16 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.105.157] has joined #lisp 19:23:49 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:27:54 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:54 note to library writers: don't call a function map-foo if it doesn't return a list of the results from the function passed in 19:29:56 jasom: What about CL's `map'? 19:30:23 okay a sequence then 19:30:42 There is also `maphash', but I always found a little weird for that reason. 19:30:52 s/found/found it 19:30:53 bgs100 [~nitrogen@h241.101.187.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:00 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@h241.101.187.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:31:00 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:34:13 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:35:05 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:51 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.103.41] has joined #lisp 19:37:31 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.55.222.102] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:38:12 -!- towodo [~anonymous@209-6-114-78.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: towodo] 19:41:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:43:57 -!- sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:44:21 sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:14 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.225.107] has joined #lisp 19:45:16 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:46:06 sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:46:06 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:46:06 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 19:47:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.225.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:49:03 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:49:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:50:03 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:50:36 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:51:07 vnz [~vnz@server.ot.mk] has joined #lisp 19:51:24 -!- vnz [~vnz@server.ot.mk] has quit [Changing host] 19:51:24 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 19:51:55 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 19:51:58 marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has joined #lisp 19:52:06 eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.228.163] has joined #lisp 19:52:36 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 254 seconds] 19:53:29 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.103.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:29 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.225.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:53:31 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:54:23 foeniks [~fevon@p5091E47D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:54:24 -!- agspathis [~user@dsl-aautwa.dyn.edudsl.gr] has left #lisp 19:59:41 STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 20:00:06 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@80.30.112.110] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20:01:21 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:01:41 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01:44 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:01:45 noncopy [~user@88.250.247.155] has joined #lisp 20:02:14 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.249.13] has left #lisp 20:02:17 dim: thanks 20:02:53 my pleasure ;-) 20:02:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:03:30 Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has joined #lisp 20:06:02 -!- JulianGindi [~textual@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:07:29 dim: on page 51 of RFC 3986 there's the uri regex 20:09:26 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:05 at http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt it's page 48 20:10:30 I'm interested to know if a copy/paste just works ;-) 20:10:57 that's weird, on the pdf it's on page 51 20:11:20 maybe pdf page 51 that has the number 48? 20:12:22 it's on page 51 in the text file too 20:12:24 ^(([^:/?#]+):)?(//([^/?#]*))?([^?#]*)(\?([^#]*))?(#(.*))? 20:13:06 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:08 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:17 The following line is the regular expression for breaking-down a well-formed URI reference into its components. 20:13:30 well, it's not checking the well-formed-ness of course 20:13:43 always easy to split it up if someone else has to check it 20:13:44 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 20:13:46 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:23 vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:28 -!- vircures [~vircures@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:31 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 20:16:55 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:16:58 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 20:20:00 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 20:21:40 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:46 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:25:48 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC63135.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:08 STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has joined #lisp 20:26:46 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:27:08 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:33 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.219.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 20:27:54 jweiss [jweiss@nat/redhat/x-byrbgveshbgvcqtb] has joined #lisp 20:29:02 -!- sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:25 if i have the source tree of a CL project, and slime set up in emacs, how do I start hacking on the project? i guess i would need to add the source tree to some kind of load path 20:29:47 -!- sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:30:05 jweiss: If it has an ASDF file, you have to put where ASDF can find it. 20:30:21 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:30:26 jweiss: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Controlling-where-ASDF-searches-for-systems 20:30:53 aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.228.180] has joined #lisp 20:30:53 if you have quicklisp installed you can try putting it in the local-projects directory and then (ql:quickload :project-name) 20:31:08 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.105.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:30 Baggers: i do have quicklisp, and this project (the clfswm window manager) is in quicklisp, but it's not the same version as the source that i have. 20:31:33 tl;dr: push the directory containing the .asd file onto asdf:*central-registry*, be done 20:31:50 -!- JesseH [~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh] has left #lisp 20:31:54 cmm: I think this is deprecated. 20:32:04 there is an asd file 20:32:16 I'm not sure though. 20:32:26 didi: yeah, like #'remove-if-not 20:32:31 -!- eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.228.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:57 "The asdf:*central-registry* is empty by default in ASDF 2 or ASDF 3, but is still supported for compatibility with ASDF 1. When used, it takes precedence over the above source-registry1. " 20:33:57 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:34:11 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:34:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-173.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:29 I obviously don't speak for asdf maintainers, but removing the central-registry config method is not going to be easy. at least until the alternative is, you know, comparably simple 20:34:47 sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #lisp 20:35:50 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:56 -!- ipmonger [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ipmonger] 20:36:00 oof, these asdf docs are dense 20:36:17 jweiss: Are you on Linux? 20:36:21 didi: yes 20:38:04 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-127.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:14 jweiss: Make a filename `~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/my-systems.conf' and add (:directory "/path/to/asd/directory/") entries to it. 20:38:38 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-23-26-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:38:43 jweiss: You can also add (:tree "/path/to/tree/") if you want to add directories recursively. 20:38:45 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty] 20:38:56 (:tree "/home/jasom/src/lisp") 20:39:08 didi: what path am i adding, the path that contains the asd file? 20:39:16 jweiss: Yes. 20:39:19 jweiss: yes 20:39:31 ok 20:40:43 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.166.10] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:40:51 *cmm* resists commenting on how it's the 21st century, and people still think it's a great idea to put configuration not just in "invisible" files, but under an "invisible" directory 20:40:52 didi, i have a workspace dir that contains subdirs for all kinds of projects, is it bad to just add that as a tree? 20:41:28 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:42:09 jweiss: Hum, I don't think so. But I never tried it. 20:44:39 huh, ok so i wrote my-systems.conf and then in slime, (require :clfswm) seems to have worked. i assume require would use the local path and not some remote repo like quicklisp. 20:45:36 umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.228.185] has joined #lisp 20:46:06 its al ball bearings these days 20:46:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:47:28 -!- aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.228.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:34 cmm: Why is it not a good idea to use dotfiles? Although, yes, hidden files in a hidden directory is a bit redundant. 20:48:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:48:43 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:48:51 cmm: this is the 21st century, if you don't like this behavior, there are a bunch of environment variables to help you with that :P 20:50:11 at least, if the software in question is compatible with XDG user directories 20:50:23 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:02 -!- xotedend [~quassel@23-25-110-173-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:15 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 20:52:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:29 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:01 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 20:56:03 montabeau [~abeaumont@77.231.228.191] has joined #lisp 20:56:04 -!- umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.228.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56:16 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:17 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:56:53 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 20:57:06 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:58:52 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 20:59:37 ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.228.198] has joined #lisp 21:00:00 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:00:30 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:01:08 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 21:02:15 -!- montabeau [~abeaumont@77.231.228.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:02:44 ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.228.200] has joined #lisp 21:04:28 -!- ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.228.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:05 when lisp os coming out with better than firefox web browser? im sick of pc mac and tablets 21:06:06 all stinkers 21:06:14 I liek frebsd and icewm desktop a little 21:06:19 but I know more cna be done 21:08:21 MoHaX [~xdl@178.122.227.43] has joined #lisp 21:08:29 Fare [~fare@216.239.55.52] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 -!- ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.228.200] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:10:20 ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.225.241] has joined #lisp 21:11:47 arnas [faci@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 21:13:01 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:13:33 Yay, new version of SBCL on sid. 21:15:00 0.7.3? 21:15:17 ipmonger [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:25 -!- MoHaX [~xdl@178.122.227.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15:31 1.1.12 21:15:39 shocking 21:15:48 -!- ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.225.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:57 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:47 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6cdab.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:53 ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.228.204] has joined #lisp 21:17:16 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9FEB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:17:19 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:21 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:04 wow supporting java on unix is scary 21:20:15 -!- jweiss [jweiss@nat/redhat/x-byrbgveshbgvcqtb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:20:20 scarrry stuff folks 21:20:38 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:05 chaotic_good: what the hell are you talking about? 21:22:32 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 21:22:37 MoHaX [~xdl@178.122.193.16] has joined #lisp 21:27:00 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:28:12 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-1-47.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:28:26 -!- fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:29:13 -!- noncopy [~user@88.250.247.155] has left #lisp 21:31:23 tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.255.70] has joined #lisp 21:33:02 JulianGindi [~textual@50-198-150-254-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:13 chaotic_good, you said "java", and you said "unix". I dunno which is scariest. 21:33:24 -!- ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.228.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:26 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-136-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:00 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-136-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 21:39:27 both created by Sun 21:39:41 nha [~prefect@koln-5d815e94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:42 unix wasn't 21:40:57 though sun contributed its share 21:45:05 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:30 sellout- [~Adium@174-16-107-200.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:22 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:42 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:47:03 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:47:25 Marverick [~angelslie@unaffiliated/marverick] has joined #lisp 21:48:33 -!- Marverick [~angelslie@unaffiliated/marverick] has left #lisp 21:52:02 dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:40 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:25 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-199-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:56:08 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56:14 ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has joined #lisp 21:56:14 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [Changing host] 21:56:14 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 21:57:42 -!- tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.255.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:43 -!- Devi777 [~Devi777@c-be39e353.024-10-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:43 -!- add^_ [~user@m83-185-23-90.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:59:32 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:01:17 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:53 tabeaumon [~abeaumont@77.231.255.230] has joined #lisp 22:02:54 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:26 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:27 I was fixing solr java app which is controlled by zookeeper java app and has 'shards' 22:03:35 lisp has to be easier than this stuff 22:03:37 what a mess 22:04:50 xotedend [~quassel@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:52 Fare: at least you can have Plan 9 from the User Space on Unix :D 22:07:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:04 Hum. SLIME doesn't seem to play along with SBCL's timers. 22:08:46 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:27 drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.196] has joined #lisp 22:13:27 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [] 22:14:05 -!- xotedend [~quassel@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:02 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d815e94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:59 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:08 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZ] 22:19:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:19:20 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:17 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 22:20:19 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:00 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:28:38 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:28:46 werc is an appserer in rc using plan9 toolz 22:32:11 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has left #lisp 22:32:30 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:58 -!- arnas [faci@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 22:35:47 -!- chaotic_good [~gschuette@206.190.79.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:07 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-1-47.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:53 -!- spike` [~user@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:39:40 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:43 -!- dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: dcooper8] 22:43:52 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:45:46 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 22:46:49 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:15 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:16 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:55 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:11 -!- MoHaX [~xdl@178.122.193.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:53:11 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:48 Oh noes. Functions called by timers can block the thread. I don't know why I thought it otherwise. 22:54:55 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:10 ericmathison [~ericmathi@174.47.7.78] has joined #lisp 23:02:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-65-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:21 -!- foeniks [~fevon@p5091E47D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:12 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9FEB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:19 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:12:04 dmiles [~dmiles@c-24-22-46-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:16 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-22-46-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:03 axs [~axs@41.200.131.178] has joined #lisp 23:18:25 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:19:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:57 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:21:06 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:33 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 23:25:17 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:27:33 -!- JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@201.164.191.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:30:06 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:09 are two ways of getting to the same package eql? (e.g. (find-package :foo) (symbol-package 'foo:bar)) 23:33:32 <|3b|> (symbol-package 'foo:bar) might be some package other than FOO 23:35:13 <|3b|> or no package for that matter (i think) 23:37:59 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 23:37:59 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:59 <|3b|> 'eql' is pretty much the definition of 'same' in cl though, so if it is the same package it is EQL (and EQ) 23:38:40 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:45 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 23:38:59 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:26 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@174.47.7.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:43 ericmathison [~ericmathi@174.47.7.78] has joined #lisp 23:44:33 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-132-244.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:45:46 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 23:46:06 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:22 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-24-22-46-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:34 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 23:46:52 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:06 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:47:11 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47:38 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has joined #lisp 23:49:10 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:08 |3b|: right, but "foo" and "foo" aren't necessarily the same, so how do I know (find-package "FOO") and (find-package "FOO") are the same? 23:50:16 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:43 you know, just from reading the hyperspec 23:51:50 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:58:01 impulse [~impulse@65.95.106.223] has joined #lisp 23:58:02 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:38 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp