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Can anyone tell me how to pipe commands into a CL program within Linux/Unix? I believe it was some read like command at the top of the file. Essentially program1 | program2.lisp type pipes. 03:38:16 Well pipe textual output might be what I mean. 03:38:21 Ryan_Burnside: `read-line'? 03:38:31 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-196-175.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:38:43 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-194-251.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:40:28 didi, do I need to put that into a loop (the output from program1 will actually be many lines deliminated by newline characters) 03:40:42 Ryan_Burnside: I suppose. 03:43:15 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:45:17 Thanks, I'll fiddle around. I've got an interesting project that we'll need to pipe commands to to be parsed. http://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4182 03:46:03 Ryan_Burnside: Fare was talking about a tool to substitute shells some days ago. It might interest you. 03:46:51 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:46:55 ggole [~ggole@106-69-21-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:47:08 Ryan_Burnside: Cool project. 03:49:03 Thank you. I wanted to make something that allows people working in all languages a library free way to render graphics without having to learn to write raster image files. 03:50:43 I'll probably embed a small LOGO like instruction set for real time graphics. :) 03:51:59 -!- antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:53:28 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:21 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-yhxojjqlpobanbjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:59:28 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:59:31 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 04:00:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.207] has joined #lisp 04:01:29 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 04:01:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:03 -!- jlongster 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(defun plus (a b) (+ a b)) 09:30:33 ZabaQ: now if you call (plus 1 2) you realize that this can be computed at compilation time and replaced by 3. 09:30:40 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:09 pjb: Yes, it seems so. The example in the hyperspec confused me a bit. 09:31:28 So (define-compile-macro plus (&whole form a b) (cond ((and (numberp a) (numberp b)) (+ a b)) (t form))) 09:31:47 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has joined #lisp 09:32:36 But even more: (plus x 0) could be replaced by x. 09:33:23 Now (plus 0.0 y) is more difficult to deal with, since that should involve a floating point type that depends on the type of y, which may not be known at compilation time. 09:33:24 is there any lisp lisp implemention avaible on the net? 09:33:41 implementation* 09:33:46 what is lisp lisp? 09:33:46 Common Lisp implementations, plenty. Some other lisp are available too. 09:33:54 lisp implemented in lisp 09:34:06 http://cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation 09:34:15 Almost al CL implementations are written in Lisp. 09:34:21 I find the sources of ccl most easy to read. 09:34:51 emacs-cl is written in emacs lisp. 09:36:13 there are various CL in scheme and scheme in CL implementations too 09:36:27 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:36:29 ECL supports iOS? How is that possible? 09:36:39 mlamari_ [~quassel@72.183.103.226] has joined #lisp 09:36:56 ZabaQ: so (plus 0.0 y) is to mention that you should be careful with compiler macros, if you want to maintain semantics. For example you could have (plus x (- y x)) and replace it with y ; but that would ignore error cases (out-of-memory for integers, underflow for floats, and possible coertions if x and y are not of the same type. 09:37:02 Presumably because objective-c is a strict superset of C? 09:37:03 hitecnologys: it's C 09:37:12 hitecnologys: iOS is a unix system with a C compiler. 09:37:27 So, it compiles to C instead of machine code? 09:37:27 Android too, with the NDK. 09:37:35 hitecnologys: yes. 09:37:40 Oh, cool. 09:37:44 And it has an interpreter too and a byte code compiler too :-) 09:37:57 pjb: Hmm. They could be quite dangerous, then.. 09:38:03 So while gcc is not embedded on iOS, ecl can still work there. 09:38:36 So, technically speaking, I can use ECL to run lisp code on ARM and stuff? 09:38:42 ZabaQ: you have to be careful. But let's say that's special cases, in general it works well enough. You could grep ~/quicklisp for real examples. 09:38:49 hitecnologys: definitely. 09:38:57 hitecnologys: and ccl too has an ARM compiler. 09:39:03 Sounds fun, I should try that. 09:39:08 Thanks for explanation. 09:39:10 pjb: ccl is too heavy to me 09:39:14 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 09:39:23 i just started clisp 3 weeks ago 09:39:40 It's the same language, you can switch easily from one implementation to the other. 09:40:24 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 09:40:45 -!- mlamari [~quassel@72.183.103.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:40:52 pjb: (and i started programming 2 months ago ^^) 09:41:10 i just want see a micro-implementation of clisp 09:41:12 :-) Really, it's like changing forks while eating. 09:41:34 eliqtrope: good on you! hope you're enjoy it 09:41:38 fe[nl]ix: by the way, there's a typo in iolib tutorial https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/blob/master/examples/tutorial#L1668 09:41:52 there is a book, "lisp in small pieces" which you might be interested in perhaps 09:41:59 (if I remember its name right) 09:42:24 phadthai: yes, you wrote it correctly. 09:42:30 thanks 09:42:31 eliqtrope: I even have a clall scripts that lets me evaluate an expression by all the CL implementations installed: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZN4 09:43:13 s/ts/t/ 09:43:28 hitecnologys: thanks 09:44:14 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@185.3.146.166] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 09:45:15 fe[nl]ix: no problem. If I find more mistakes/typos, I tell you. 09:45:15 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:18 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has joined #lisp 09:46:52 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:47:23 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:48:13 eliqtrope: that said clisp can also be compiled on a wide variety of processors, since it's written in C and has a bytecode compiler. 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(forcing a whole recompile), but I don't know for sure. 13:07:42 STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has joined #lisp 13:07:55 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08:20 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-drtmvwxazgbdulou] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:08:48 -!- STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:41 dim: use trivial-backtrace to print the full backtrace 13:13:32 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.135.110] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:13:40 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B3529.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:13:56 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:16:25 duggiefresh [~quassel@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:34 dim: (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (pushnew :lparallel.with-vector-queue *features*) (pushnew :lparallel.without-stealing-scheduler *features*) (ql:quickload '(:pgloader))) 13:16:47 if lparallel was already compiled, your features won't do a thing 13:17:09 and a protip: if you want to disregard output, use (let ((*standard-output* (make-broadcast-stream))) ..) 13:17:25 yeah but those are for compat with very old sbcl (1.0.38 and before) 13:17:29 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-090.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:36 STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has joined #lisp 13:18:08 I think the current trick I'm using is from pjb here ;-) 13:18:29 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:18:54 fe[nl]ix: it looks like I have enough of a backtrace, or what do you mean with "full"? 13:19:10 which is a bad trick, since it can cons you too much of a string 13:19:32 dim: and which version of sbcl is being used? 13:19:55 chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:20:30 I don't even know I shoul add some important information like that when using --debug 13:20:48 it's my first time shipping a CL application that I won't use myself so... 13:22:18 and in fact, there can be no biased-queue instances with lparallel.with-stealing-scheduler 13:22:23 since it's #-lparallel.with-stealing-scheduler (:file "biased-queue") in .asd 13:23:49 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:24:03 LiamH [~none@pool-173-76-205-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:20 dim: you mean for bug reports? 13:24:26 I've got a print-bug-report-info function. 13:24:54 com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.interactive:print-bug-report-info 13:25:14 thanks! 13:25:19 I'll see about using that 13:25:26 -!- rowdydow is now known as sysop 13:25:42 well the soft is not released yet so I think it's acceptable that it only works for me or about, but that needs to change 13:25:55 -!- sysop is now known as Guest40823 13:25:57 But indeed, if you want to automatize it, you can call it withe the trivial backtrace function from a toplevel condition or error handler-bind. 13:26:01 also I'm thinking more and more that I should just provide/ship the self contained binary 13:26:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26:30 There's also a package to send emails of crash/bug reports automatically :-) 13:26:30 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:42 cl-sendmail. 13:27:06 Why not provide the sources? 13:27:26 well I'm not sure about that one, too many conditions are not yet handled in the code and I would receive so many emails ;-) 13:27:42 providing the source I will do, I want to make it as easy as possible for users 13:27:47 That would motivate you to improve the code and send new releases :-) 13:28:01 and I'd like to avoid packaging 20 CL libs in debian as a pre-requisite 13:28:18 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has joined #lisp 13:28:58 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@9.Red-83-36-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 13:29:03 For mobile applications, there are libraries like BugSense.com that catch all the unhandled exceptions and send crash reports, to the bugsense server, where they process them and present a nice UI for the developer, and they forward an email with the bug report too. 13:29:57 Since you don't control the users' devices, this is a very big help to detect bugs in deployments and correct them. Of course, that plus the *stores automatic updates of new releases make it seamless for the users. 13:30:47 yeah I dont think I need such an infrastructure here 13:31:01 we're talking about an interactive tool for developers and sysadmins 13:31:17 interactive as in the Unix expectations of that, CLI 13:31:29 Right, but using cl-sendmail in a handler-bind would give you the same feed back. A lot of applications do that anyways. 13:32:03 -!- duggiefresh [~quassel@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:32:10 I understand, I need to see about dealing correctly with parser errors first 13:33:08 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:33:20 kcj_ [~casey@118-93-71-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 13:34:45 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:37:03 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 13:37:43 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:47 drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.168] has joined #lisp 13:39:16 echo-area [~user@123.120.244.251] has joined #lisp 13:42:13 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:38 -!- kcj_ [~casey@118-93-71-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: kcj_] 13:42:55 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has joined 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thought about heavy inlining 13:53:43 <|3b|> yeah, that's what i was looking for too :/ 13:56:46 STilda [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has joined #lisp 13:56:46 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:57 <|3b|> dim: also your blog is too wide, but in a way that doesn't make enough horizontal scrollbar to see all of the content 13:57:18 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.31.32] has joined #lisp 13:58:06 -!- STilda2 [~STilda@188.162.167.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:58:26 motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 13:59:32 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@1-164-208-166.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:56 s0ber [~s0ber@1-164-208-166.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.216.136.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:45 hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has joined #lisp 14:01:53 <|3b|> actually i guess maybe it does scroll enough, it 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One sec 19:20:30 JesseH: Youll even learn how to do a compiler in later chapters. 19:20:40 Oh nice 19:21:17 Looks like a good book, thank you. 19:21:23 -!- optikalmouse [~optikalmo@207-245-237-147.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:22:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:55 Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:15 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:24:41 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@86.63.2.14] has left #lisp 19:25:44 JesseH: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs has you implement a meta-circular interpreter and a register-based virtual machine for running one. 19:26:35 Will look into that one as well. 19:27:05 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:27:53 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:01 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@83.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:28:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:29:01 LiamH [~none@pool-173-76-205-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:41 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:30:13 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.120.211.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:29 oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.236.91] has joined #lisp 19:34:24 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has left #lisp 19:34:47 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:35:31 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has joined #lisp 19:36:39 optikalmouse [~optikalmo@207-245-237-147.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:47 -!- Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:45 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:38:08 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-11-62.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:03 -!- hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Is it possible to write a compiled one? 20:32:05 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:32:21 think about it. 20:32:28 -!- iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:36 i'm toying with one but that's just a toy 20:32:49 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:54 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:31 Bike: well I don't know much about Kernel, just heard of it the other day, so I'm wondering if there is a reason why there are only interpreters instead of compilers too 20:33:50 interpreters are order of magnitude easier to write 20:33:52 The semantics discourage it. 20:33:55 orders 20:34:02 In addition to interpreters being easier to write generally, yeah. 20:34:06 Bike is in this channel too \o/ 20:34:18 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:44 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:35:24 Bike: in what way does the semantics discourage it+ 20:36:34 The lexical environment is passed to all combiners. On top of that they can redefine it arbitrarily. 20:36:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:36:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:37:17 hm 20:37:19 I see 20:37:46 would be interested to see if there is an efficient way to implement that in a compiled way 20:37:51 but anyway 20:37:58 cl is probably the fastest of the lisps no? 20:38:13 speed isn't really easily quantified like that. 20:38:34 -!- xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:45 it's the fastest to write in 20:39:12 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-76-205-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:39:58 well I mean 20:40:05 the one with highest performance 20:40:25 replacing one vague term with another doesn't really help. 20:40:33 hiato [~hiato@41-135-114-54.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:40:42 well then what should I say for you to be happy? 20:40:47 cl has pretty good optimizing compilers, though. 20:40:53 i don't know what you're trying to say. 20:41:12 well that was pretty much what I ment 20:41:14 so okay 20:41:29 http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ 20:41:46 Have fun. :^) 20:42:01 sword [~sword@c-24-21-33-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:02 I mean "performance" could mean any number of things. CL implementations usually do pretty badly at compiled program size for instance. 20:44:47 hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has joined #lisp 20:45:09 Bike: well is execution speed a better term then? And memory usage 20:45:24 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:34 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:46:56 What if CL implementations were all faster than 'other lisps' but used more memory? Not really the case but that's the kind of problem you get into with "better". 20:48:27 Bike: but I never said better 20:49:27 same sorta thing. 20:50:02 picolisp i think it's called focuses on a fast interpreter and doesn't have a compiler. sbcl has a great compiler but it's slow to run and the interpreter isn't very good. 20:52:11 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:52:13 Bike: with "slow to run" you mean running the actual compiler? 20:52:26 yeah. 20:52:46 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 20:52:57 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 20:53:43 -!- tylergoza [~quassel@72.29.34.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:31 Bike: fair enough. I guess it's better to ask it like this then: out of all the lisps and their current implementations, is cl the most suitable one for performance demanding systems such as games? 20:55:14 i guess it's the only one i can think of that's actually been used in commercial games. 20:55:51 Bike: oh it has? I only know about Jak & Daxter which used their own dialect of lisp 20:55:52 -!- hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 20:55:55 Naughty Dog uses Racket. 20:56:09 BitPuffin: that's what i meant. 20:56:23 Bike: But their lisp was called GOAL or something 20:56:25 -!- wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:56:28 game oriented assembly lisp 20:56:51 yeah, but it was mostly like CL, and all their tools were CL. 20:56:59 anyway didi says they've since switched to Racket, so there you go. 20:57:27 I thought they switched to C++ 20:57:48 BitPuffin: With a big system, it's not uncommon to use multiple languages. 20:58:03 didi: Yeah I guess that's true 20:58:22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp 20:58:27 "GOAL's primary development and maintenance engineer is no longer available to Naughty Dog, and they have transitioned to C++ for future projects due to the fact they were bought out by Sony which wanted code interoperability between their studios" 20:58:56 i think that's oversimplified. i remember something about Uncharted using a scheme for scripting. 20:58:59 Bike: I didn't know Jak & Daxter meant Naughty Dog though. 20:59:20 iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has joined #lisp 20:59:31 you didn't know they made jak? i thought they were most known for that. 20:59:41 marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-86-239.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 20:59:41 -!- marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-86-239.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Changing host] 20:59:41 marko-v [~user@unaffiliated/marko-v] has joined #lisp 20:59:52 *didi* is pretty clueless 20:59:58 Bike: they are probably most famous for Uncharted these days 21:00:20 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:00:34 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-130-25.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:00:39 I don't find interpreters to be easier to write. The easiest is byte code compilers and VM. 21:00:39 seeing as most old games fade away 21:00:59 didi: how do you know they use racket? 21:01:14 BitPuffin: I'm furiously trying to find the pdf. :^P 21:01:19 http://cufp.org/conference/sessions/2011/functional-mzscheme-dsls-game-development 21:01:21 ah 21:02:21 um wait 21:02:25 that doesn't mention racket 21:02:28 darn wikipedia 21:03:12 oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.8.120] has joined #lisp 21:03:22 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:44 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-148.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:06:16 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 21:07:21 abeaumont [~abeaumont@233.red-80-28-16.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:27 gucong [~user@nat-4-165-91-10-236.tamulink.tamu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:07:33 -!- gucong [~user@nat-4-165-91-10-236.tamulink.tamu.edu] has left #lisp 21:07:35 Systems for typing recursion? or maybe papers on the formalization of recursion? 21:07:50 abunchofdollarsi: huh? 21:07:54 BitPuffin: Oh well, maybe I'm misremembering me existence of a pdf. That's the best I can do 21:08:18 s/me/the 21:08:21 I'm trying to understand the y combinator; but all the explanations I see are to declarative. 21:08:34 So I want a paper that will just tell me what recursion is. 21:09:57 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.8.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:11:38 didi: now I have to hang out in #racket just for the opportunity to talk to other game devs :P 21:11:43 who use lisp 21:12:01 -!- wbooze is now known as oleo` 21:12:06 -!- oleo` is now known as wbooze 21:12:08 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:13:29 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:15:46 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 21:16:32 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:16:46 hi 21:17:14 anyone familiar with clisp guts? Can a CLISP unicode fasl be loaded in a non-unicode clisp? 21:17:18 I suppose so. 21:17:46 I wouldn't bet on it. 21:18:10 No such guarantee is provided. clisp fas are specific to the executable that produced them. 21:19:13 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:37 in practice, they are pretty portable if you don't do ffi 21:20:13 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:20:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-89-145.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:05 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22:36 Well if they contain unicode characters that may pose some problems to a non unicode implementation. 21:22:53 old [~old@60.163.238.187] has joined #lisp 21:23:00 Like, (length "été") = 5 instead of 3. 21:24:55 BitPuffin: there is a #lispgames channel 21:25:20 -!- Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-cf4fe555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:15 felideon: Right. 21:26:23 BitPuffin: Look for dto. 21:26:27 felideon: Oh I forgot 21:26:41 nha [~prefect@koln-5d815fa1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:08 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 21:27:19 -!- segv_ [~mb@95-91-243-155-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:27:24 BitPuffin: , for example. 21:27:32 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:27:43 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:00 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:28:15 didi: yeah, saw that linked in the topic 21:29:08 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-199-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:29:42 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:29:57 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-59-136-253.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:30:03 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@185.3.146.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:31:25 oudeis [~oudeis@62.18.8.120] has joined #lisp 21:31:34 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:33:06 jrghiglia [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-39-222-87.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 21:33:07 -!- iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:34:20 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 21:34:38 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:04 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37:09 -!- Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has quit [Quit: Yanez] 21:41:04 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:34 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.93.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:59 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:47:27 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has joined #lisp 21:47:31 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:50 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has joined #lisp 21:51:51 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:55 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has joined #lisp 21:53:48 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:07 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B3529.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:56:04 didi: http://www.gameenginebook.com/gdc09-statescripting-uncharted2.pdf 21:57:02 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:58:55 BitPuffin: Right. I eventually found that one (it might be the one I was thinking of) but I didn't see Racket being mentioned. 21:59:21 iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has joined #lisp 22:00:47 didi: I didn't read it but apparently it states that they use racket to generate C++ 22:01:11 -!- old [~old@60.163.238.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:31 <_tca> they presented at racketcon this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c&list=PLXr4KViVC0qLyXpinlARzSDWaQTCzaGw3&index=2 22:04:49 BitPuffin: thx for linkage. cool. 22:06:00 _tca: cool! gotta watch that 22:06:22 _tca: thank you for the linkage as well. quite cool. 22:06:56 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:07:15 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:54 http://www.viddler.com/v/74ff3910?secret=85238416 they talk about their tools in this video a bit 22:11:01 but it's pretty non technical 22:12:07 some lisp code on the screen lol 22:12:28 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:43 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:34 hrs [~textual@c-65-96-172-141.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 -!- Baggers [~Baggers@91.237.34.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:34 killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has joined #lisp 22:14:41 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:16:47 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:45 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:33 antgreen_ [~green@dsl-173-206-165-73.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:20:35 BitPuffin: sweet 22:20:37 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:46 -!- abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:50 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:57 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 22:25:23 -!- hiato [~hiato@41-135-114-54.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums.] 22:25:52 -!- Guest40823 is now known as CrazyEddy 22:26:17 antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has joined #lisp 22:27:05 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:27:15 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:27:57 -!- hrs [~textual@c-65-96-172-141.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:28:16 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-108-179-185-31.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 22:29:39 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:17 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has joined #lisp 22:32:45 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:33:11 -!- iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:34:24 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 22:34:41 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d815fa1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:37:36 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Zzzz] 22:44:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:46:51 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:51:30 is there a good 3d math library for cl? 22:52:28 how much do you need? (this is more "i'm wondering what there is beyond 4x4 matrices" than "I have an answer") 22:53:43 Bike: Well not just 4x4 matrices, vectors, quaternions, and other geometric primitives like rays etc would be nice 22:53:53 exponential maps 22:54:05 axis angle thingy etc 22:54:21 i'm just thinking, like, quaternions and 4x4 matrices would be maybe a page of code. 22:54:31 sure 22:54:43 I'm just wondering if I need to write it myself or if someone has already done it 22:55:23 there's a gsl binding, but that's probably overkill 22:55:42 http://www.cliki.net/mathematics 22:55:47 Bike: maybe opticl has some of it? 22:55:58 Bike: yeah gsl is way too much 22:56:20 hmm 22:56:28 There's a linear algebra page in this link, too. 22:56:38 Byeah I saw that 22:56:57 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:58:11 hm 22:58:19 maybe I'll just write my own 22:58:29 It's not like I don't know how :) 22:59:20 iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has joined #lisp 22:59:32 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 23:02:37 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:02:47 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 23:03:28 -!- iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:31 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:31 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:14 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:14 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B3529.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:25 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:26 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 23:08:49 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:14:07 LiamH [~none@pool-173-76-205-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:28 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:15:54 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:19 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has joined #lisp 23:16:28 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:36 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:43 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:08 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@233.red-80-28-16.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:18:54 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:41 that was a nice talk, thanks for linking _tca 23:26:21 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-76-205-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:26:21 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:29 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@37.26.146.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:27:12 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:35 -!- daat418 [~daat@131.106.110.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:21 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:40:17 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 23:55:03 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:56:58 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 23:59:22 iAran [~whimse@58.101.24.47] has joined #lisp 23:59:22 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]