00:01:07 BitPuffin: you are talking about a program design decision that would be the same if you were programming in C. 00:01:40 MoHaX [~luke@178.122.91.40] has joined #lisp 00:01:42 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 00:06:44 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.169.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:44 -!- Juanito [~jreynoso@201.165.169.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:46 DataLinkDroid: well, in there you could initialize the variable just before it is being used, while with let you have to initialize them all in a list 00:08:46 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.122.91.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:04 xotedend [~quassel@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:11 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:10:29 DataLinkDroid: but I bet there is a way to do something similar in lisp anyway, so it is probably not a problem, it is just something that struck me while learning lisp basics 00:10:32 BitPuffin: not at all. you could declare your name bindings with no values or nil values and only set them when required. 00:10:59 also, you can have as many LET forms as you need, where you need them 00:11:16 DataLinkDroid: that would definitely solve it. 00:11:24 DataLinkDroid: yes but that creates a new scope :) 00:11:55 you're overthinking. the compiler does exist. 00:12:12 you would obviously use your LET forms in such a way that you only use the bindings in the scope of the LET :) 00:12:32 "Steel Bank Common Lisp (SBCL) is a high performance Common Lisp compiler." begs to differ :p 00:12:48 "does exist" 00:12:57 Bike: ah 00:13:04 misread sorry 00:13:41 this isn't a nonoptimizing interpreter where evaluated let forms have a bijection with allocated environments and such 00:13:42 DataLinkDroid: yep :P I guess it would all depend on the situation, sometimes doing a new let is the proper way and sometimes initializing with nil 00:14:10 -!- daat418 [~daat@131.106.110.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:27 Bike: so you mean the compiler knows this and makes sure it doesn't happen? 00:14:32 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-247-212.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:14:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 00:14:42 Anyways guess there is no point in worrying about performance until it actually turns out to be a problem 00:14:46 -!- impulse [~impulse@65.92.150.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:52 ... now we get into the sufficiently smark compiler discussion... 00:14:58 smart* 00:15:06 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.4] 00:15:09 the compiler doesn't have to be very smart for BitPuffin to be overworrying too early 00:15:34 Bike: no doubt :) 00:15:45 :P 00:16:07 -!- CrazyEddy [~subface@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:58 impulse [~impulse@65.95.106.223] has joined #lisp 00:18:37 ericmathison [~ericmathi@174.47.7.78] has joined #lisp 00:21:13 meiji11 [~user@75.158.41.148] has joined #lisp 00:21:18 MoHaX [~luke@178.122.124.92] has joined #lisp 00:23:52 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-tqntbgolbeqsnhdi] has joined #lisp 00:23:56 aicha [~aicha1990@public-02-fr-07.frozenway.com] has joined #lisp 00:24:56 motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 00:25:09 -!- p9 [~void@dhcp-130-58-195-191.swarthmore.edu] has left #lisp 00:29:45 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 00:30:03 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.122.124.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:31:34 stardiviner [~stardivin@125.122.34.252] has joined #lisp 00:31:35 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:38 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:25 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.81.177] has joined #lisp 00:36:40 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.240.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:37:21 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ff] 00:39:23 -!- trebor_home [~email@dslb-088-068-018-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:41:06 MoHaX [~luke@178.122.148.198] has joined #lisp 00:42:31 -!- aicha [~aicha1990@public-02-fr-07.frozenway.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:43:26 -!- desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:09 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:48:26 CrazyEddy [~thoracome@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 00:49:48 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:20 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jsuvuiatnrzjkucz] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 00:52:29 -!- xotedend [~quassel@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:53:45 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@125.122.34.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55:22 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:55:52 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:38 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.122.148.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:31 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 01:02:48 why is it called: cons, car and cdr? 01:03:31 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:03:46 cons is short for "construct". car and cdr were instructions on a pdp. 01:04:52 Bike: on a lisp machine? 01:05:02 Bike: why where the instructions called that 01:05:15 something address register and something decrement register. this is before lisp machines. 01:05:43 oh 01:06:01 the names haven't changed for similar reasons to the conjugation of "to be" being arbitrary. 01:06:21 hm 01:06:42 you can use first and rest as synonyms if you're using conses as listts, though. 01:08:02 in code or in conversation? 01:08:46 stardiviner [~stardivin@125.122.34.252] has joined #lisp 01:09:19 BitPuffin: in code: FIRST and REST 01:09:20 both. 01:09:22 cadadr, would that take the first of the rest of the first of the rest? From nested lists? 01:09:31 Bike: what about tail and head? 01:09:40 You would have to define those yourself. 01:09:52 but is it valid in lisp conversation? 01:09:58 sure, i guess. 01:10:04 nice 01:10:06 And yes, that's what cadadr does. But you should think about rewriting if you need cadadr. 01:10:21 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:44 MoHaX [~luke@178.122.185.181] has joined #lisp 01:11:00 harish [~harish@119.234.170.72] has joined #lisp 01:11:15 Bike: yeah I can imagine 01:11:18 -!- motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 01:11:32 badboy4471 [~tiger@115.238.32.67] has joined #lisp 01:12:03 so to get the fourth element of a list you would say cadddr? 01:12:06 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 01:12:33 more likely you would use... 01:12:35 clhs fourth 01:12:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_firstc.htm 01:12:48 cadddr would also work. 01:13:21 ah, so does it even go all the way to cadddddddddddddddddddddddr or something like that or does it eventually stop 01:13:38 it stops with four letters internal. so cddddr but not cdddddr. 01:13:40 I mean are they dynamically generated some how or are there just a reasonable amount of car and cdrs 01:13:50 oh okay 01:14:15 again, these aren't often used nowadays. 01:14:29 okay 01:15:26 how can (list 'foo 'bar 'baz) be the same as '(foo bar baz), I mean sure, the result is the same, but the first one is code that executes while the second one is a "literal" 01:16:15 they're not the same, they just have the same result. 01:16:34 oh okay 01:16:39 well the book said that they are the same 01:16:41 for example (setf (car '(foo bar baz)) 'bak) is undefined, while (setf (car (list foo bar baz)) 'bak) is ok. 01:16:45 it's kind of subtle. 01:17:22 yeah, but it's significant 01:18:14 resttime [~rest@vpn3-145121.near.uiuc.edu] has joined #lisp 01:23:14 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:23:26 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:26 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.122.185.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:29 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.108.230] has quit [Quit: 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It used a combination of keywords of a built-in function IIRC. 02:49:27 repeated position-if, maybe? 02:50:46 Bike: Hum. Could be. Thanks. I'll try to write it. 02:51:23 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:53:08 -!- seg [~seg@50.23.115.119] has quit [Quit: adios amigos] 02:53:26 seg [~seg@50.23.115.119] has joined #lisp 02:54:14 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:54:33 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:33 -!- seg [~seg@50.23.115.119] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:07 jangle [~jimmy1984@pool-173-67-27-249.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:08 keen___ [~blackened@pda6ef418.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:57:38 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:53 -!- keen__ [~blackened@pdf879821.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:59:41 daat418 [~daat@131.106.110.176] has joined #lisp 02:59:46 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae 03:02:53 Fare: your recent changes make removing asdf-install trivial. thanks! 03:04:24 seg [~seg@50.23.115.119] has joined #lisp 03:06:36 -!- seg [~seg@50.23.115.119] has quit [Client Quit] 03:07:24 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@pool-173-67-27-249.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jangle] 03:09:21 -!- mau_ [~mau_@23.227.162.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:09:21 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:28 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:09:46 Here . Although I see a performance difficulty with lists. 03:11:49 -!- BitPuffin [~BitPuffin@s193-13-104-217.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:11:55 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eloibevjtqhxoxua] has joined #lisp 03:17:28 hello #lisp 03:18:12 mau_ [~mau_@23.227.162.17] has joined #lisp 03:22:41 scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has joined #lisp 03:23:08 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:25:04 slyrus: how was it non-trivial before? 03:25:32 BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-191-162.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:36 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-191-162.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:25:37 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 03:27:13 (you mean, changes to SBCL?) 03:27:13 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27:17 (or to ASDF?) 03:28:05 cmm 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#lisp 04:39:33 arquebus [~frath@c-107-3-164-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:41:36 i adore it. i love being able to pull something like cl-cppre in a script 04:42:06 Fare: have you read quicklisp.lisp? i just ask because i wonder if people do 04:44:10 you know, i really owe it to the values you've just described, indigo6, to try to give lmms a chance. i want off non-open-source operating systems. 04:44:21 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.207] has joined #lisp 04:44:23 sorry! sticky keys, wrong chanel 04:44:26 won't happen again 04:49:34 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:07 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.185.146] has joined #lisp 04:52:27 recommendations on printing the time in ISO format eg "2013-10-17 12:34"? Using multiple-value-bind on get-decoded-time complains about unused values. Is there a way to discard values without warnings and/or a better way to print the date in my preferred format? 04:54:06 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 04:54:44 nydel, you mean, the bootstrap file, or the installed thing? 04:57:01 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.185.146] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 04:58:05 shifty: local-time ? 04:58:16 or else quux-time (ouch) 05:00:28 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 05:00:34 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:53 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:14 TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-247-212.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:11 lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:10:34 shifty: to answer your question: you declare them IGNORE 05:10:47 shifty: But, as Fare said, use LOCAL-TIME 05:11:10 (local-time:format-timestring nil timestamp 05:11:11 :format '((:YEAR 4) #\- (:MONTH 2) #\- (:DAY 2) 05:11:11 #\T 05:11:11 (:HOUR 2) #\: (:MIN 2) #\: (:SEC 2))) 05:11:13 (oops 05:11:23 sorry for the flood 05:13:02 prxq [~mommer@x2f6abf6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 05:14:07 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.95.111] has joined #lisp 05:14:19 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:15:02 if you're in a hurry and know your unix stuff too well, you (uiop:run-program "date +%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S" :output '(:string :stripped t)) 05:15:34 Fare: ouch 05:15:46 Fare: in what universe is that better than the local-time solution? :-) 05:15:49 -!- scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has left #lisp 05:15:50 don't be in a hurry 05:15:54 seriously 05:16:14 when you don't have internet access right this minute and already have uiop ? 05:17:15 shifty i have a litle tool for datetime 05:17:34 https://github.com/isismelting/cl-date-time 05:17:54 Fare: ...and you don't have local-time installed? That would be a rare time indeed. But, alas. If all of those stars were aligned (and I didn't remember the syntax for DECODE-UNIVERSAL-TIME) I might do that :-) 05:18:20 nydel: kill it! http://fare.livejournal.com/169346.html 05:19:30 my cl-datetime.lisp isn't as developed as the other packages but i prefer mine as it's simple and tiny 05:19:53 also the object can come in useful for concurrency operations 05:23:56 Fare: i like the content on your log. i'm subscribing, thank you 05:24:52 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:27:09 the object? 05:28:47 Fare: my cl-date/time structure 05:28:48 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:16 Fare: in another package i use it to create "cooldown" objects that include a date-time structure 05:29:40 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:30:13 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 05:31:15 (structure "cltime" in cl-date/time package that is) 05:32:11 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host132.186-125-112.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32:56 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-247-212.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34:36 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37:42 wouldn't it be trivially replaced by the equivalent from local-time? 05:39:32 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:39:33 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39:50 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:20 perhaps.. i'm just reading local-time now 05:40:44 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 05:40:54 if i'f just quickloaded local-time, what command gets me a quick date or hour or minute? 05:41:09 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Client Quit] 05:41:45 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 05:43:36 arrsim` [~user@27-32-235-88.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:43:50 it sure requires a lot from the user. mine is just (cl-dt:cltime/hour) and that's all. and my time-string which is like a format seems much nicer to the user. 05:44:54 przl [~przlrkt@p57922385.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 05:46:37 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:48:13 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 05:48:37 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:49:50 define your frontend to it 05:50:20 seg [~seg@71-80-164-69.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 05:50:36 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 05:51:09 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:48 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9D9A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 05:52:26 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eloibevjtqhxoxua] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:52:58 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ndarprsfogkyfyrw] has joined #lisp 05:53:49 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:55:07 -!- seg [~seg@71-80-164-69.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:00:44 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 06:05:06 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:19 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:06:25 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 06:06:56 seg [~seg@198.23.71.93-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 06:07:13 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ndarprsfogkyfyrw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:07:22 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-divrpnwkxfecjcrq] has joined #lisp 06:08:38 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-divrpnwkxfecjcrq] has quit [Client Quit] 06:08:43 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.95.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:08:46 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jvwlvbuyywamurec] has joined #lisp 06:08:48 hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has joined #lisp 06:12:15 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jvwlvbuyywamurec] has quit [Client Quit] 06:12:24 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jrluatpwryzsqpqx] has joined #lisp 06:12:36 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 06:13:18 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:13:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13:59 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jrluatpwryzsqpqx] has quit [Client Quit] 06:14:06 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-kskbxxmjwdqxbmub] has joined #lisp 06:14:15 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:18:06 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:18:06 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:18:06 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:18:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:18:38 iAran [~whimse@114.113.197.132] has joined #lisp 06:19:11 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19:59 -!- arquebus [~frath@c-107-3-164-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:20:01 thank you Fare, loke_ and nydel. 06:21:40 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.129.101.179] has joined #lisp 06:22:14 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 06:23:56 -!- CrazyEddy [~thoracome@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:24:37 Hi, how can I quote (car lst), so I can use it as a function parameter? 06:24:40 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139486 06:25:13 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p57922385.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:25:14 see my pastie. But (funcall #'symbolp '((a))) works. 06:25:52 prob want nil instead of 'f 06:26:33 why null (car lst) intead of (null lst) ? 06:27:13 why "quote"? 06:27:15 moreover, 'f doesn't signify falsehood 06:27:20 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.81.177] has left #lisp 06:27:20 you are right, should use (null lst). 06:27:23 even if it was used correctly 06:27:33 ask your teacher 06:28:01 as it is, (quote f) introduces a COND clause, where quote is a condition and F is a body 06:28:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-226-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:28:37 But (funcall pred (car lst)) does not work, don't understand why 06:29:02 what do you mean by "does not work"? 06:29:28 that's where the error comes 06:29:35 which error? 06:29:36 did you trace? 06:29:48 see the backtrace? 06:30:13 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 06:30:26 iAran: follow the HtDP method -- write test cases first 06:30:28 top trace: (EVERYP # ((A))) 06:30:41 at your level, it's warranted 06:30:42 iAran: and the error? 06:30:49 good idea 06:31:17 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9D9A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31:19 -!- resttime [~rest@vpn3-145121.near.uiuc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:31:34 if it's still "The variable QUOTE is unbound", then we already told you that 'F is in a bad place and shouldn't be used at all 06:33:25 -!- optikalmouse [~optikalmo@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:34:01 in fact, you can get a better result if you use AND instead of COND 06:36:17 Yeah, just discovered that. My bad, I thought the last form of cond shoud be returned as a result without testing. 06:36:45 replace nil) with ('t nil)), and it works. 06:36:54 if you wrapped it in parenthesis 06:36:55 Thanks, everybody! 06:37:03 you don't need to quote T 06:37:16 and you don't need to return NIL from the last cond clause, it's already returned 06:37:37 and scratch what i said about AND, it doesn't in look better in reality 06:37:42 indeed. 06:38:37 (since you also need OR) 06:38:38 Again, thanks for your time. :) 06:38:51 as in (defun everyp (pred list) (or (null list) (and (funcall pred (car list)) (everyp pred (cdr list))))) 06:38:56 iAran: see the common lisp style guide for this and many more pitfalls 06:39:28 @Fare I'll check that :) 06:41:59 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 06:41:59 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:06 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined 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how to escape the EVAL curse 10:23:42 yes 10:23:52 if a macro needs to evaluate arguments, then it's a broken macro 10:24:13 it doesn't need to evaluate its args 10:24:20 it's just a wrapper to defun 10:24:39 but then I build these kind of `functions' at runtime 10:24:56 then don't use a macro to do that 10:25:18 and do you really need to "build" functions at runtime? 10:25:42 jrghiglia: things are always being eval'd 10:25:56 (compile 'function-name `(lambda () ,some-code)) can compile any function at runtime 10:26:12 but it largely possesses the problems that EVAL has 10:26:53 namely? unsafety? performance? 10:27:06 yes 10:27:29 jrghiglia: could you pastebin the macro in question? else it's difficult to get a real idea what you're working with. 10:27:51 but COMPILE is generally better if it's really what you want 10:28:22 and it can be faster in certain situations, when the time it takes to compile something is then negated by the performance improvements 10:28:42 brb cantine time, and yes didn't think about using COMPILE 10:28:58 nilsi_ [~nilsi@180.108.184.127] has joined #lisp 10:29:27 safety shouldn't be a problem here since ,some-code is carefully built and not directly provided by some user 10:29:36 stassats: if i'm writing something like a repl that doesn't require outermost parenthesis, is that going to require the use of eval? 10:29:56 the E in REPL means "EVAL" 10:31:42 would there be a way around calling #'eval though 10:32:18 if EVAL is what you need to call, you should call EVAL 10:34:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:34:55 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@180.108.184.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:14 Posterdati [~kvirc@host89-217-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:36:51 what about `(read-from-string (concatenate 'string "(" ,input ")")) 10:37:14 is that out because the macro needs an argument 'input' 10:37:55 what about read-from-string? it doesn't have anything to do with EVAL 10:38:21 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:56 it's a way to write a repl without ever calling eval. but it does require passing an argument to a macro. 10:41:01 a) why are you worrying about calling EVAL b) you can't use read-from-string instead of EVAL 10:42:23 reading the concatenated string with perhaps "+ 5 3" as ,input forces the form given by the macro to be evaluated 10:42:35 reading-from-string it, that is 10:42:58 have you tried it? 10:44:33 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:40 yes - (defmacro foo (input) `(read-from-string (concatenate "(" ,input ")"))) returns the form and its evaluation/result 10:45:00 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:45:06 that is (foo "+ 5 3") gives (+ 5 3)\n8 10:45:27 i don't understand what are you trying to ask 10:46:15 is it considered bad form to pass a variable to a macro in a case like that 10:46:24 it doesn't bloody work 10:47:32 sure works on my end, in sbcl/slime 10:48:07 Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:08 fads 10:48:26 nydel: you are misinterpreting both what it does and the results 10:49:05 you just cannot replicate even a part of EVAL with the thing you showed 10:49:55 there are four ways of causing evaluation without directly calling EVAL, all of them are fairly stupid, but none of them include macros 10:51:01 so when a macro returns a form and its results that's something different from evaluation? 10:51:19 it's called macro-expansion 10:52:00 (apologies if i'm missing something obvious) i thought macro-expansion was the creation of the final form, but that what happens to the form was essentially evaluation 10:53:12 conceptually, when it's LOADed you can think that it's passed to EVAL 10:54:03 nydel: Checkout "The Evaluation Model" in the hyperspec. Especially 3.1.2.1.2 10:54:07 but, this is an incredibly convoluted and excruciatingly stupid way to include a form in your source file instead of writing (+ 3 5) 10:54:40 and it can't achieve evaluation of arbitrary forms at run-time, so there's no way it can be used to implement a REPL 10:55:13 it's not about that form in particular. just conceptually a modified repl. arbitrarily i selected the idea of a repl that doesn't require outermost parenthesis 10:55:14 furthermore, i really can't grasp the desire to not call EVAL when implementing a REPL 10:56:23 you're much more seasoned than i (or pretty much almost anyone else i've come across) but for many there's been programmed into us by teachers etc the idea that calling eval is always wrong 10:57:14 if you want to perform evaluation, you have to perform it 10:57:15 bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-109-192-208-037.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:57:52 using EVAL to implement a program logic which does not constitute evaluation is wrong 10:59:40 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:24 the idea is not that the literal function EVAL is bad, but that evaluation of arbitrary forms is a wrong way to solve problems 11:00:54 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 11:02:06 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:02:09 xotedend [~xotedend@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:13 Hi, I'm trying to use this cl-xmpp example: https://github.com/j4yk/cl-xmpp/blob/master/README However, I get a usocket timeout when evaluating (xmpp:connect :hostname "jabber-hosting.de"). How do I fix this? Does anybody know where to find further examples? 11:02:32 The account I'm using does work btw, I can connect to the server with pidgin 11:05:45 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:06:16 was cl-xmpp ever really working? 11:07:29 (well, i did connect to jabber with it some years ago, but i couldn't use any of the normal authentication methods) 11:08:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:08:25 stassats: any lisp alternatives? 11:08:56 have you tried connecting with xmpp:connect-tls? 11:10:21 Nope, I've stuck to the example. Time to RTFS I guess. 11:11:00 time to try random combination of authentication options 11:12:11 BitPuffin [~BitPuffin@s193-13-104-217.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:12:28 harish [~harish@175.156.240.60] has joined #lisp 11:14:32 bad_alloc: or maybe the port wrong 11:17:04 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:18:17 Is there a good cheatsheet for SLIME? 11:18:41 apfel [~apfel@zs1-mgmt.fh-landshut.de] has joined #lisp 11:19:25 http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~idurand/enseignement/PFS/Common/slime-refcard.pdf 11:19:47 Thank you 11:19:50 From http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/1o1tpk/slime_quick_reference_card_pdf/ 11:20:38 According to the comments (now that I have read them), it is the same as the one bundled with SLIME. 11:21:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:21:39 open ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/slime-20130720-cvs/doc/slime-refcard.pdf 11:22:16 Does SLIME works with any Lisp dialect? 11:22:24 no 11:22:32 CL only? 11:22:36 mostly 11:22:39 only those for which there exists a swank server 11:23:27 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 11:23:41 I guess there isn't a swank server for guile 11:25:01 ZombieChicken: write one and be a hero 11:25:52 fe[nl]ix: Maybe one day. I'm trying to setup emacs so I can use it and then start trying to learn Scheme/guile 11:26:28 ZombieChicken: in that case you only need paredit 11:26:47 plus viper and evil 11:28:04 you don't need those 11:28:24 I'm a vim user. I find emacs annoying to use at best 11:28:42 and there's a good chance they'll interact badly with paredit 11:28:46 ZombieChicken: get over it 11:30:10 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 11:32:08 So paredit adds in a few keys to move around with S-expressions and balanced parens. What else does it do? Why would it be useful? 11:32:50 it would be useful to move around S-expressions 11:33:01 and to move between S-expressions 11:33:21 and to modify S-expressions (barf and slurp) 11:35:07 stassats: thank you for the compile tip, never really used that 11:36:04 -!- bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-109-192-208-037.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:36:12 jrghiglia: there's also (coerce `(lambda ()) 'function) which, if your compiler includes some other form of evaluation, can produce a different result from COMPILE 11:36:13 -!- xotedend [~xotedend@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:36:45 for example, on allegro: (coerce `(lambda ()) 'function) => # 11:37:00 (compile nil `(lambda ())) => # 11:38:29 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 11:38:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:39:11 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39:16 -!- pillton [~user@124-148-56-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #lisp 11:40:33 stassats: while I'm pretty happy with that COMPILE form, I'm still not sure I couldn't get the same result with APPLY 11:41:19 you can't do (compile nil `(lambda () ,download-a-form-from-the-internet)) with APPLY 11:42:34 stassats: I have a simulation environment where users can add new commands with a simple wrapper to DEFUN, which basically intern the function name into a specific package and not much more. 11:43:38 stassats: but then you can feed this software with a textual description of a test, where a sequence of such commands is called at specific times 11:44:17 stassats: it's not really a language, just a csv file with something like command-name, args... 11:44:57 mk2 [~user@194.94.34.42] has joined #lisp 11:45:00 stassats: but recently I added the possibility to define `sequences' of commands in the csv file itself, together with arguments (so they are basically functions) 11:45:27 stassats: and I wanted those user-defined functions to be just like the built-in ones 11:45:37 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:46:19 stassats: so, as soon as the parser finds "defsequence, name, arg-1, arg-2" 11:46:34 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:43 stassats: it starts building a list of quoted forms 11:46:46 compile should do fine 11:47:43 or write your own compiler, if you want safety 11:47:51 -!- apfel [~apfel@zs1-mgmt.fh-landshut.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:48:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:33 (it's quite easy for a restricted subset) 11:48:48 and fun 11:48:59 -!- iAran [~whimse@114.113.197.132] has left #lisp 11:49:24 stassats: it looks like I'm fine then, each quoted form is built by first checking that the first symbol is actually in the commands package, and the arguments are processed without EVAL 11:50:08 does it check whether the script will stop or not? 11:51:34 stassats: while no recursion is possible, it is possible to explicitly ask for an infinite loop 11:52:19 stassats: the user is not given all lisp function at his/her disposal, just the built-in commands and the user-defined ones (defined in terms of the built-in commands again) 11:55:55 stassats: since I need to call this `def-sim-command' macro also at runtime, do you think I should write a function for that and then re-implement the macro in terms of this function? 11:57:10 the macro could probably exclude the compilation step 11:57:59 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:07:15 urandom__ [~user@ip-84-119-222-152.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:53 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:08:44 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:19 namtsui 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a way to display the line number of a source code file in a slime backtrace? 14:09:52 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:10:06 you don't do that 14:10:20 go to the relevant entry and press «v» 14:10:21 teggi [~teggi@113.173.7.117] has joined #lisp 14:10:29 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:10:43 oh great, didn't know that one 14:11:18 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:11:33 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11:41 ok now if the error happens during compilation I get sent to e.g. process-toplevel-form 14:11:56 is there a way to go to the form that caused the error? 14:12:03 delYsid [~user@debian/developer/mlang] has joined #lisp 14:12:38 How do I get the name of a function as a string? Something like (function-name #'foo) ? 14:12:43 what do you mean by that ? 14:13:01 clhs f-l-e 14:13:01 function-lambda-expression: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm 14:13:09 Imagine I have something taking a callback, and I'd like to log the callback name passed. 14:13:14 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:13:22 delYsid: what's the name of (lambda () 1) ? 14:13:30 if you pass 'foo as a function you can just log foo 14:13:36 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:50 if someone passes #'foo there's no guarantee that the thing currenly named foo is still the foo you got passed 14:13:50 segv-: Yeah, I know it wouldnt work for lambdas, but I am asking myself if it would work for defun'd functions? 14:13:52 well, I want to go to the source file line that was being compiled not to the compiling function 14:14:03 The name of (lambda () 1) is (lambda () 1) as (function (lambda () 1)) should demonstrate, 14:15:27 specifically I set *break-on-signals* in iolib to t and am getting a trace when a compilation error occurs 14:15:42 -!- p_l|x230 is now known as p_l 14:16:28 chris_l: then you won't get anything useful 14:16:33 -!- hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 14:16:43 oh 14:16:56 delYsid: there's no standard way to do it. depending on your implementation the definition of the method (descibe-object function) should help you figure it out. 14:17:09 there's no standard way to do it? 14:17:10 on sbcl, which happens to be what i'm connected to now, it seems to be sb-impl:fun-name 14:17:13 clhs f-l-e 14:17:13 function-lambda-expression: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm 14:17:40 eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-54-89-82.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:17:45 stassats: that does not return name, teh symbol used in the defun, which is what delYsid wants 14:17:57 that does not return the name? 14:18:03 stassats: no. 14:18:18 have you read the link? 14:18:26 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-54-89-82.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 14:18:37 chris_l: if you have the slime-asdf contrib enabled, you can load the system and it will present you with a list of errors and warnings 14:19:37 stassats: well, then sbcl should use the same code in function-lambda-expression it uses for describe-object, becasue the later provides much more useful information. 14:19:45 milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has joined #lisp 14:19:48 (LAMBDA (&REST SB-PCL::ARGS) :IN SB-PCL::MAKE-INITIAL-DFUN) is not a helpful name. 14:19:52 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:20:50 that's from defgeneric, not defun 14:21:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-22-13.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:22:03 hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has joined #lisp 14:22:13 oh, you're right. but it's still not very helpful. 14:22:35 that is a separate issue 14:23:35 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:24:22 not really. i mean if your goal is, for debugging, to take as input something you can funcall and produce as output something a human understands as the name of that thing, then function-lambda-expression is not your best tool. 14:24:23 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-89-82.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:24:45 stealing 4 or 5 lines from describe-object seems like a better approach (even if it's not standard) 14:25:26 if function-lambda-expression in 15 minutes will return the same as that line from describe-object, what will you say then? 14:25:55 that you're an awesome sbcl hacker. 14:27:02 felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has joined #lisp 14:29:02 hi segv- :) 14:29:07 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 14:29:07 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:13 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:29:37 hi fe[nl]ix! how's it going? 14:29:58 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:00 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 14:30:29 -!- optikalmouse [~optikalmo@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:30:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:32 segv-: chillin' in Strasbourg :) 14:31:12 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:31:21 stassats: thanks but I can't find out how to enable slime-asdf (can't find docs)? 14:31:37 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy ... slime-asdf)) 14:32:50 no dice :( 14:33:03 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:14 could it be a problem if I'm using the ubuntu slime package? 14:33:45 don't use Ubuntu CL packages 14:34:19 kliph` [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:34:21 i think the recommended way to set up slime is quicklisp-slime-helper 14:35:19 chris_l: see https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/commits/master, the commits on May 4 14:35:26 that's when I added Netlink support 14:36:02 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 14:36:27 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:36:53 ok 14:38:43 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:41:17 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:43:09 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:46:13 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:46:16 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:46:30 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-196-175.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:49:43 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.65.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:51:19 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:11 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:57 -!- jrghiglia [c209f2f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.242.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:58:35 Bike_ [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 15:04:00 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 15:05:59 segv-: and it now does 15:06:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 15:07:15 stassats: you rock. 15:07:26 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:37 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:42 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:06 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:09:57 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:10:41 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 15:12:53 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:13:26 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 15:13:38 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.7.117] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:45 -!- bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:46 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:00 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:18:02 and now you even can do (describe (make-instance 'generic-function)) 15:19:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:42 bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has joined #lisp 15:19:44 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:23:31 -!- bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT189.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:24 bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has joined #lisp 15:25:34 stassats: you even wrote tests for it. nice! 15:26:57 it's not fixed if there's no test 15:27:04 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:18 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:27:18 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 15:28:00 stassats: +1 15:28:42 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 15:29:39 that's because i didn't write SBCL, i don't write tests for my own code 15:29:54 (not because i write perfect code) 15:31:30 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-kpyembvqvmkjarno] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:16 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 15:35:24 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-165-73.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:36:40 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Client Quit] 15:37:16 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 15:38:15 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:22 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:39:24 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:57 hi I was reading some CL code and came around a lot of forms with (def (function e) ...)/(def (projection e) ..), but I cannot find the definition of def neither in the project itself (C-.) nor in the clhs. Does anyone know what definitions like this do? https://github.com/projectured/projectured/blob/master/source/projection/primitive/walked-lisp-form-to-lisp-form.lisp#L12 15:42:03 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:43:05 PuercoPop: M-.? 15:43:10 i think that's a dwim thing 15:43:19 (def (function e) ...) expands into defun, and so forth 15:43:42 Bike: So like a Scheme define? 15:45:09 <|3b|> sellout-: the 'function' is probably saying what to define rather than being a parameter name, so not quite scheme 15:45:09 no, more like setf 15:45:12 sellout-: yeah I tried loading the project and doing M-. first and then using github search. Bike: so is it a way to specify the 'namespace' of the definition? 15:46:04 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:07 <|3b|> probably defined in hu.dwim.def 15:47:01 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:47:51 I wonder who the authors are 15:47:53 |3b|: Thanks I've found it there: https://github.com/nixeagle/hu.dwim.def/blob/2054ecb727916c0ca4acab502b406e0263dac345/source/infrastructure.lisp#L64 15:48:24 fe[nl]ix: Heh 15:48:42 that project sounds very much like something that Levy was talking about a few years ago 15:49:26 <|3b|> i like how they say it is BSD licensed, but then the 'bsd license' says it is public domain, but then puts conditions on use/distribution :p 15:49:48 <|3b|> ah, never mind, the condition part is just for people with on public domain 15:50:28 optikalmouse [~optikalmo@207-245-237-147.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:51 My wife recently asked me what license she should use for something, I said just pick any license from a university you went to. 15:53:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:54:09 I don't think my university had its own license; of course it wasn't even remotely a 1st tier CS scool 15:54:35 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:56:13 -!- chris_l [~quassel@p57A5CD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:13 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:36 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:44 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 16:02:58 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has joined #lisp 16:03:56 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:04:10 jasom: In my wifes particular case, it was Berkeley undergrad, MIT PhD  so schools my wife went to is actually my mnemonic for choosing a license. 16:04:36 -!- mk2 [~user@194.94.34.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04:40 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:04:54 TDog [~chatzilla@71-33-69-61.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:04 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 16:07:09 (asdf:defsystem software :license "schools sellout's wife went to") 16:07:42 BSD or MIT looks shorter 16:07:45 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb] 16:07:48 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 16:08:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:09:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-226-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:33 -!- gluegadget is now known as shadowfax 16:12:08 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:14:21 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:15:03 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 16:19:03 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:24:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:24:55 `fogus [~fogus@70.182.191.151] has joined #lisp 16:25:05 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 16:26:35 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:22 sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:27:22 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-62.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:27:22 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:29:33 peterhil [~peterhil@213-157-93-236.localloop.fi] has joined #lisp 16:30:20 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:34:36 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@180.108.184.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:17 antgreen [~green@CPE002454ac476b-CM0019477f82fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:27 nilsi_ [~nilsi@180.108.184.127] has joined #lisp 16:36:47 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:37:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:40:51 -!- bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:41:17 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:19 mahata [~mahata@owls-3.van.hootops.com] has joined #lisp 16:42:05 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:43:29 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:43:30 anyone here use lisp-magick on darwin? 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(I have many cache objects which have hash tables but am unsure how to find which was is ballooning) 19:59:18 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:13 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:56 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:03:22 bobbysmith007: I think there's some SBCL-specific code floating around that tries to figure out the amount of memory accessible via a given root. If a web search does not turn up anything, someone else here will be able to give you a pointer to it. 20:04:02 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9D9A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:07 jrghiglia [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-39-222-87.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 20:05:26 brown``: thanks, i have vague memories of such but thus far google has not yielded 20:06:00 maybe this: https://people.gnome.org/~xan/memory.lisp 20:06:11 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-135.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:11 cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 20:09:03 bobbysmith007, hu.dwim had some files to help debug that 20:09:15 MoHaX [~luke@178.122.145.16] has joined #lisp 20:09:15 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:09:48 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:10:37 hu.dwim.presentation/source/util/object-size.lisp 20:11:09 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:11:53 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:56 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:13:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14:29 desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 20:16:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-24.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:28 Fare: thank you 20:16:40 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 20:17:02 -!- mahata [~mahata@owls-3.van.hootops.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:39 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:20 gabnet1 [~gabnet@182.23.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:45 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@182.23.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 271 seconds] 20:21:22 BitPuffin [~BitPuffin@s193-13-104-217.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:24:38 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 20:26:04 cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 20:26:38 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:31:01 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:31:01 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 20:34:34 -!- Tausar1 [~Tausar@ppp118-210-174-94.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:48 Tausar [~Tausar@ppp118-210-174-94.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:47 -!- gabnet1 [~gabnet@182.23.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:38:51 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@horgix.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 20:40:43 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:41:07 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:42:21 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:43:53 -!- refried_ [~refried_@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43:54 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Client Quit] 20:48:11 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:52 yroeht [~yroeht@horgix.fr] has joined #lisp 20:52:33 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:34 bobbysmith007: hash-table-count 20:59:00 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:59:33 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:16 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:01:20 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 21:03:38 b2coutts [stein@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 21:03:44 -!- b2coutts [stein@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has left #lisp 21:04:42 -!- milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:05:41 -!- xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:09:07 -!- hrs [~textual@64.206.121.41] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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