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And you? Are you working on something interesting? 03:40:43 uzo1 [~uzo@adsl-108-73-162-75.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:58 duggiefresh [~quassel@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:07 *Fare* fixes an obscure corner case in run-program and adds a test case to the suite 03:41:31 beach: I'm using the CL repl as my shell replacement. 03:41:50 Fare: Nice! 03:41:53 My plan: no more editing shell scripts, ever, only lisp scripts. 03:42:16 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:23 Sure, with the right library that will work. 03:42:32 problem: when interactivity is really required, it goes to the *inferior-lisp* buffer, and that's painful to switch 03:43:00 the right library is uiop/run-program and/or inferior-shell on top for argv splicing 03:43:33 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:43:35 I recall having been told why it goes to *inferior-lisp*, but now I can't remember. 03:43:43 As I recall it was a difficult problem to solve. 03:43:48 because it inherits the file descriptors 03:44:09 and short-circuits your lisp 03:44:16 -!- uzo2 [~uzo@adsl-108-67-100-227.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:18 I see. 03:44:35 alternative would be to have your lisp open a pty and handle it to run the program 03:44:46 much more work, and hard to do portably 03:45:13 can be done with iolib, but not on windows. 03:45:22 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:45:33 Does anyone still care about Windows? 03:47:13 dunno 03:47:26 hopefully it'll soon join Genera alongside "legacy platforms". 03:47:53 in any case, uiop only relies on your implementation's run-program and/or system 03:48:12 but provides a portable interface 03:48:13 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:48:25 for redirection of input, output, error-output 03:48:31 and capture thereof 03:49:14 Sound like enough to turn your implementation into a shell replacement. 03:49:28 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 03:49:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:49:58 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Client Quit] 03:49:58 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:12 Fare: What about pipes? What is the syntax for that? 03:51:16 (run-program "cat ; echo world >& 2 ; exit 42" :input '("hello") :output '(:string :stripped t) :error-output :lines :ignore-error-status t) ==> "hello" ("world") 42 03:52:35 I assume the verbosity is optional and not required for simple cases, right? 03:53:02 (inferior-shell:run/ss `(pipe (echo ok) (tr "a-z" "A-Z"))) 03:53:10 => "OK" NIL 0 03:53:30 Nice! 03:53:31 verbosity was to demonstrate features 03:53:43 simple case is :output :string 03:53:57 -!- duggiefresh [~quassel@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:54:10 run/ss does :output '(:string :stripped t) 03:54:42 (run/ss '(uname)) => "Linux" NIL 0 03:54:56 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:19 I like it! 03:55:41 by default, raises an error if exit-code isn't 0 03:55:58 need to explicitly :ignore-error-status t to prevent that (or handle the condition) 03:56:19 Yes, that's a good thing. 03:56:23 it's a cerror in the most recent run-program 03:57:23 you can get the output as a string, a list of lines, a specific line in that list, a parsed form, or a stream. 03:57:54 It seems you have been given this a lot of thought. 03:57:55 execution is synchronous -- not guaranteed to happen in parallel 03:58:31 you can define methods on slurp-input-stream or vomit-output-stream to have new output parsing or input emitting behaviors 03:59:17 this is the better run-program that does what you actually want from a run-program 03:59:44 not low-level diddling with streams, but getting back your string, or whatever it is the program is outputting. 04:00:10 the way it's easy in a shell with `backticks` or $(dollar paren) 04:00:10 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:26 except more versatile and safer, because that's Lisp. 04:00:44 and with a real programming language, unlike the shell. 04:01:04 Right. That's a big advantage. 04:01:21 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 04:01:24 and it's actually portable to all 14 non-genera lisp implementations in asdf. 04:01:46 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:48 including windows (admittedly not stress-tested on windows) 04:02:20 Chris__ [~Chris@ool-4579a7ea.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:20 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:02 that's also a big advantage. I found tens of bad attempts at a portable run-program. 04:03:17 that were buggy as hell and never so portable 04:03:32 this one does it. 04:03:40 and it has a test suite 04:03:43 "portable" as in between Lisp implementations, or "portable" as in working with different operating systems? 04:03:46 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:54 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:04:00 les deux mon capitaine 04:04:09 portable everywhere but genera 04:04:12 Wow. Very nice! 04:04:22 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:31 for genera -- I accept patches :-) 04:04:38 heh 04:04:54 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 04:05:00 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.41.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:09 Now you need to put some work into the user manual. 04:05:16 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.41.189] has joined #lisp 04:05:46 maybe someone will implement a unix shell in genera... or a tunnel to the emulator host's shell... or just an access to the genera command line. 04:06:01 beach: see asdf.texinfo 04:06:18 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:40 Fare: OK, I will at some point. 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Is it possible to rebuild systems with maximum debugging set without starting a fresh lisp? 10:10:09 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10:28 C-u C-c C-k from SLIME IIRC 10:10:39 that's for the current file though, not a whole system 10:11:05 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:14:31 -!- cpt_nemo [~cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:17:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:39 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:21:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 10:25:25 (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'glop :force t) forces things to rebuild.. 10:26:48 hmm. cl-opengl is giving me lots of undefined aliens. something must have gone wrong loading opengl32.dll 10:26:48 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:45 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:30 mmm, just had to rm -rf ~/.cache/common-lisp/ again 10:29:34 Hmm. Swank is now en ex-parrot 10:29:48 Help! 11 nested errors. SB-KERNEL:*MAXIMUM-ERROR-DEPTH* exceeded. 10:30:15 In my *inferior-lisp* 10:30:23 *ZabaQ* scratches head and wonders where to start 10:30:53 sfa [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has joined #lisp 10:31:26 nilsi_ [~nilsi@221.146.90.62] has joined #lisp 10:31:33 uzo1 [~uzo@adsl-108-73-161-22.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:33:39 -!- uzo2 [~uzo@99.102.150.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38:48 -!- STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:08 STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has joined #lisp 10:41:28 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 10:42:29 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:43:52 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:46:51 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:17 pillton [~user@124-170-81-147.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:49:04 btw for guys trying to help me yesternight, it was quite simple what I wanted to do finally: http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=commitdiff;h=e374b51b41da4d2128e422ed1e5aedbcc1e48dc8 10:51:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:25 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:29 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:25 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:57:56 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 10:59:31 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-52-163.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:07 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:15 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-182-131-40.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:02:19 It'd be nice if cffi had an option to be verbose about foreign library loading...I feel a patch coming on. 11:02:56 ZabaQ: Sounds reasoanble, but please implement it with a "muffle" option. 11:04:25 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@221.146.90.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:53 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:06:09 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:38 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:45 ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:08:15 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.108.246] has joined #lisp 11:08:25 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.108.246] has quit [Changing host] 11:08:26 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 11:09:21 easye: I was thinking of having soemthing like :verbose-library-loading in *features* to turn it on. 11:10:13 ZabaQ: Or a special *verbose-library-loading* that specifies the stream for output. Setting it to nil (the default) would muffle things. 11:10:25 One might want to think about threads though. 11:11:01 in features? 11:11:10 So, possibly "posting" messages to a polled "mailbox", so that the output doesn't get intermixed on multithreading. 11:11:17 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 11:11:37 No, I don't like using CL:*FEATURES* for these things. 11:11:40 and what does it even mean, verbose library loading? 11:11:51 I would use a special in the CFFI namespace. 11:11:59 s/namespace/package/ 11:12:05 special in the CFFI package sounds better 11:12:21 as for verbose library loading - basically a log of what libraries it loaded and where it found them 11:12:38 so it's easier to deduce where on the fs the library is coming from 11:12:39 easye: would that really be a problem? 11:12:54 stassats: the multithreading? 11:12:56 Dunno. 11:13:01 Just speculating. 11:13:10 Obviously the naieve implementation would be more than enough. 11:13:14 ZabaQ: what do you want to achieve with this? 11:13:18 i don't quite get it 11:13:37 A list of pathnames that have been loaded as shared libraries, as they get added. 11:13:44 Right? 11:14:04 stassats: Windows with different versions of a .dll scattered over the fs tree can be a pain. Just a debugging aid 11:14:13 easye: Right 11:14:48 ZabaQ: and when it loaded with a call to dlopen? 11:15:13 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:36 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:16:01 ZabaQ: can't you just consult cffi::*foreign-libraries*? 11:16:16 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:17:14 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:17:41 stassats: It's nil. But a library appears to get loaded from somewhre. I'm on Win64 so I'm using LoadLibrary - there's still a couple of places it could be, and I need to be sure I'm loading a 32 bit version and not a 64 bit version. 11:17:57 *ZabaQ* wishes he was not on Windows 11:18:34 i have a hard time imagining that you can load a 32-bit library into a 64-bit process, and vice versa 11:19:54 You can't, but you can try, get an error that's muffled and attempt to continue. That's what I think is happening to me, but I need a log to be sure. 11:20:35 when processing lists that may contain pairs-of-cells, how to know if I can use length against what I have? 11:20:50 I found this comment. ;;; FIXME: haven't double checked whether all Lisps signal a ;;; SIMPLE-ERROR on %load-foreign-library failure. In any case they ;;; should be throwing a more specific error. 11:20:58 e.g. (length '(a . b)) is an error 11:21:49 dim: and you want what to happen? 11:22:29 I want to find a way not to call length when I'm given a non-proper list, but listp and consp are not doing that for me 11:22:41 (listp (cdr thing)) maybe? 11:22:49 looks way too much like length implementation details tho 11:22:55 you only have a single cons? 11:23:07 I'm walking a tree, replacing values as I go 11:23:13 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:23:15 the tree might contain alists 11:23:57 I'm currently using length as part of the test that indicates if I'm going to replace a value or just keep the current one 11:24:17 then write your own length 11:25:11 maybe I could just avoid using length alltogether 11:26:51 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.225.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:26:58 (and (consp s-exp) (null (cdr s-exp)) (eq :inline (car s-exp))) 11:27:02 that looks like my test 11:27:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:10 it could be (equal '(:inline) s-exp) 11:28:28 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:40 stassats, what's your favorite symbol to use to represent time 11:30:08 Quadrescence: time 11:30:25 good choice 11:30:31 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 11:30:42 abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.225.21] has joined #lisp 11:30:55  U+0231A WATCH 11:31:47 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 11:31:54 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 11:33:57 dim: yours can be faster due to inlining 11:34:29 and i contemplating whether optimizing (equal '(:inline) s-exp) into such a thing is worth the code size increase 11:34:40 well it's not a critical part of the program, readability wins 11:35:26 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit 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joined #lisp 12:07:32 STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has joined #lisp 12:11:07 ics [~ics@ool-18bf6d86.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:02 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:17:53 dim: you could use com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths 12:18:28 i bet writing your own would take less characters than "com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths" 12:18:51 (mapcar (lambda (x) (multiple-value-list (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths x))) '((a b c) (a b . c) (a #1=(b c . #1#)))) --> ((3 0) (2 nil) (2 0)) 12:19:06 stassats: you'd lose, for the same features. 12:19:46 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:19:58 There's a bug here :-( 12:19:59 -!- STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:20:01 not for what dim wanted 12:20:38 STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has joined #lisp 12:21:15 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:21:37 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 12:21:43 the last list wasn't circular; here's the right example: (mapcar (lambda (x) (multiple-value-list (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths x))) '((a b c) (a b . c) (a . #1=(b c . #1#)))) --> ((3 0) (2 nil) (1 2)) 12:21:46 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:37 (multiple-value-bind (stem-length cicle-length) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths x) (and (eql cicle-length 0) stem-length)) ; is what dim wanted. 12:22:39 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 12:23:52 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:00 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.37] has joined #lisp 12:24:15 (loop while l if (atom l) return nil sum 1 do (pop l)), shorter than com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:list-lengths 12:25:35 -!- pillton [~user@124-170-81-147.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:26:16 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.255.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:27:39 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:29:00 is there a green threads library for sbcl that uses CPS underneath? Does it switch stacks to allow local variables/bindings? 12:29:46 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-128-92.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:49 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:30:03 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:47 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:54 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:25 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-170-198.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:33:58 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:35:58 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-165-73.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 12:37:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:38:15 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 12:38:21 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:38:24 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 12:40:16 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 12:40:25 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 12:40:56 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-146.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:41:38 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41:38 -!- varjag_ is now known as varjag 12:42:00 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 12:45:21 <|3b|> ZabaQ: make sure you have most recent cl-opengl before trying to debug it, sounds like something that was fixed already 12:45:49 |3b| Thanks for the hint. Will do. 12:47:45 -!- maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:52 Chris__ [~Chris@ool-4579a7ea.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:55 maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:20 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:08 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 12:58:13 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-165-73.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:59:19 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 13:01:06 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:01:47 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:03:57 anyone with experience in https://github.com/deliciousrobots/green-threads around? 13:05:17 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:07 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:51 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F0B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:48 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:07:48 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:25 ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:10:13 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 13:15:04 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:16:21 -!- STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:16:36 STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has joined #lisp 13:17:47 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:17 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:19:06 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:47 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:20:34 -!- saysjonathan [~saysjonat@205.186.144.72] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:23:40 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:05 eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.225.12] has joined #lisp 13:26:16 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:27:02 I have just begun learning lisp so this may be a silly question; can I actually compile my lisp program to an executable binary or can it only be run via the REPL? 13:27:16 -!- cmack` is now known as cmack 13:27:38 you can 13:28:08 Ok, thanks. 13:28:16 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:28:25 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:45 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29:22 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:30:09 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:31:10 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:18 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 13:31:38 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:32:34 stassats: And is it possible to create a dll? 13:33:18 STilda: yes 13:33:23 -!- Chris__ [~Chris@ool-4579a7ea.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Chris__] 13:33:38 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:50 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:55 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:05 I know how to make exe. How do I create dll? Is it the same save-lisp-and-die? 13:36:27 I was not able to find it 13:36:30 you need an implementation which is able to do it 13:36:51 I know of only ECL and I'm not even sure about that 13:37:17 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:42 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:37:46 lispworks and allegro as well 13:38:17 killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has joined #lisp 13:38:53 ah the commercial offerings, make sense 13:39:11 sometime I should have a look at them maybe 13:40:20 Well, you can easily enough do something like that in ECL. 13:40:37 Also, with clisp you can write a module in C, and call into lisp functions. 13:41:05 Of course, most other implementations FFI also let you define call ins, but you have to dlopen the foreign code, instead of the lisp code. 13:41:30 So the question is: does it really matter in what language the main function is written? 13:41:41 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:43:27 zophy_ [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:30 -!- zophy_ [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:43:30 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:14 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:46:16 -!- maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:46:21 sohail [~sohail@206-248-191-19.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 13:46:21 -!- sohail [~sohail@206-248-191-19.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:46:21 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:46:32 maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 13:48:30 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130902133717]] 13:48:49 who said lisp can't be used for numerical/scientific computations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2r-PGORfGo 13:49:08 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 13:49:12 who said tht? 13:49:36 stassats, basically anyone who hasn't used lisp 13:50:01 yeah, where's the code tho? 13:50:35 dim, i'm still working on it. of course i'll post it. but it's a huge mess 13:50:57 which usually means you had fun ;-) 13:51:07 rrs [~rrs@c-24-128-48-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:21 either i had fun or i was pilfering lots of code from my big bucket of lisp-random code 13:51:26 (or both!) 13:51:48 Chris__ [~Chris@ool-4579a7ea.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:10 hiroakip [~hiroaki@180.135.146.193] has joined #lisp 13:52:19 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:46 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:16 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:57:05 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-182-131-40.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:19 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:23 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ztrahvhkzkhfxlgg] has joined #lisp 13:58:29 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:58:41 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:55 -!- echo-area [~user@nat/yahoo/x-uouirhpscfeyspoq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:09 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@180.135.146.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:00:16 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:01:01 -!- maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:02:09 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:52 -!- rrs [~rrs@c-24-128-48-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:04:46 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:06:06 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:22 Bio4 [~other@94.25.228.102] has joined #lisp 14:08:24 Hello. 14:08:28 (defparameter *foo* (make-array 8 :initial-element (make-array 8 :initial-element "#"))) 14:08:29 -!- felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 14:08:34 (setf (aref (aref *foo* 1) 1) ".") Makes every subarrys's second element an "." . Thats expected, but how can i fix it? 14:08:34 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 14:08:59 A usual idiom is to use map-into. 14:09:54 (map-into (make-array 8) (lambda () (make-array 8 :initial-element "#"))) 14:10:12 trebor_dki [~user@153.96.244.202] has joined #lisp 14:10:12 ogamita: oh, thanks 14:10:22 Bio4: but we prefer usually to use a 2D array: (make-array '(8 8) :initial-element '\#) 14:11:09 with (aref *foo* i j) 14:11:09 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 14:11:43 felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has joined #lisp 14:11:59 ogamita: thats awesome, thank you for tip 14:12:01 You could have a triangle: (map-into (make-array 8) (let ((i -1)) (lambda () (make-array (incf i) :initial-element "#")))) 14:13:46 what are the system dependencies of an SBCL lisp image with kernel? I'd guess libc? 14:14:03 -!- STilda [~AlexandrK@188.162.167.42] has quit [] 14:14:18 |3b| Yes, it's fixed. What was it? 14:14:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:42 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ztrahvhkzkhfxlgg] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:14:48 dim: ldd 14:14:51 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xldpuvzkqqtykokj] has joined #lisp 14:15:04 you can always link statically 14:15:36 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:50 I think buildapp links statically, I have a big binary of 100MB, down to 20MB with --compress-core 14:16:01 no 14:16:06 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:16:08 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:13 buildapp doesn't link anything 14:16:38 oh so the SBCL kernel given by buildapp still has the ldd dependencies, ok 14:17:07 so apt-get install sbcl and dependencies are solved I guess 14:17:20 not really 14:17:43 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:59 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xldpuvzkqqtykokj] has left #lisp 14:18:15 maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:16 killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has joined #lisp 14:18:21 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:18:46 MoHaX [~luke@37.17.9.140] has joined #lisp 14:20:08 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xldpuvzkqqtykokj] has joined #lisp 14:20:09 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 14:20:38 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xldpuvzkqqtykokj] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:48 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bbarslkfyzgcoajt] has joined #lisp 14:21:21 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:08 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:28 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:37 CL package for reading apache CLF format? 14:25:47 luke_ [~luke@37.17.113.88] has joined #lisp 14:28:56 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:28:56 -!- MoHaX [~luke@37.17.9.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:31 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:29:53 -!- luke_ is now known as MoHaX 14:30:18 balle [~balle@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 14:30:59 aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.255.98] has joined #lisp 14:32:21 -!- eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.225.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:21 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tmscjnzbxhbmrleq] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:26 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 14:36:01 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:09 -!- MoHaX [~luke@37.17.113.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:37:48 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 14:37:48 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 14:37:52 zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:24 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:39:18 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-bpfjppxczaermckz] has joined #lisp 14:41:51 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:41:53 loke [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:f568:2323:ac60:7ee4] has joined #lisp 14:42:24 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:43 -!- Chris__ [~Chris@ool-4579a7ea.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Chris__] 14:44:17 saysjonathan [~saysjonat@ec2-54-205-164-123.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:56 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:47:14 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:36 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:48:37 advice requested: I am remaining maintainer of named-readtables after Tobias left. But it's trapped in darcs, and in two intertwingled repos (named-readtables \subset editor-hints). Anyone able to help me clear this up so that patches can be applied and life restored? 14:48:54 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 14:48:55 *rpg* does not know this "darcs" of which you speak. 14:48:58 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 14:49:35 I have used https://github.com/purcell/darcs-to-git with success before 14:49:36 rpg: I can do that 14:49:44 http://ideone.com/NtO16D I have implemented one-step BSP tree splitting. 14:50:25 The problem is that it's "one-step" i'm having troubles with where to put recursion... 14:51:00 As I said, the added complexity comes from NAMED-READTABLES being embedded in EDITOR-HINTS in a way I don't understand. The cl.net webpage is pretty much a trainwreck. 14:51:21 umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.225.107] has joined #lisp 14:51:32 that can be done in two steps: convert editor-hints to git 14:51:53 then git has a built-in tool for transforming a subdirectory into a repository 14:52:24 Things that make me sad: index.html -> /project/editor-hints/public_html/darcs/named-readtables/doc/named-readtables.html 14:52:28 -!- aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.255.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:32 I think the darcs-to-git tool can also filter commits based on what filesystem paths they touch 14:53:01 *rpg* is feeling guilty about having multiple uncommitted patch emails... 14:53:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.101] has joined #lisp 14:53:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.101] has quit [Changing host] 14:53:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:53:54 Possibly a scorched earth policy in which the whole /project/named-readtables/public_html and /project/editor-hints/named-readtables/public_html are wiped and replaced... 14:54:07 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:28 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 14:54:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:55:57 darcs is the OS/2 of revision control systems. 14:56:43 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:24 :)) 14:59:26 fe[nl]ix: If you could have a look, I would be very grateful. 14:59:39 ok 15:00:22 darcs I could probably have grappled with simply through darcs-to-git, but this sub-system relationship mapped onto symbolic links through the darcs working copy! wow! It's a trifecta of weird. 15:00:39 OK if you tell me to just smash everything and start over. 15:01:16 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:01:56 Further excitement: named-readtables and editor-hints are both groups on cl.net. I belong to only the latter.... 15:03:17 seangrove [~user@216.55.31.130] has joined #lisp 15:05:14 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:05:41 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07:32 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-185-234.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 15:08:52 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09:36 rpg: what kind of patches to named-readtables are there? 15:09:55 *cmm* has used named-readtables recently, and, well, it just works... 15:10:50 which means I haven't used them heavily enough, probably, I guess 15:10:54 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 15:10:56 cmm: some implementation-specific patches + an edge case or so. 15:11:06 ah, I see 15:12:55 too bad there's no (portable?) way to make IN-READTABLE behave like IN-PACKAGE (so it has file scope). that's the only inconvenience with named-readtables that I've had so far 15:13:26 cmm: Do you know how its behavior varies by implementation? 15:13:30 It would be good to fix that. 15:14:05 rrs [~rrs@76.191.32.18] has joined #lisp 15:17:19 I've been on a lisp hiatus for a couple of years, and the rust has set in. I might try to investigate the sbcl-specific behavior later, if it irritates me enough (I suspect the specific weirdness I see originates in slime, though) 15:17:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-185-234.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17:38 cmm: so does it bleed out of the file on SBCL? 15:17:53 yup 15:18:19 unless it's some slime magic. or asdf magic 15:19:22 stassats' rule is "don't do/rely on ASDF magic" 15:19:30 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:05 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:21:29 my usage of asdf is extremely basic, I meant built-in magic (of which there might well be none, of course) 15:22:05 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-170-198.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:28 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22:50 -!- Bio4 [~other@94.25.228.102] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:24:36 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:01 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:05 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:04 apfel_ [~apfel@p5499ADCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:30:13 -!- seangrove [~user@216.55.31.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:42 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 15:32:51 cmm: Can you give me some hints as to why there is no portable way to make IN-READTABLE have file scope? 15:33:15 -!- apfel [~apfel@p54999261.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:48 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 15:33:57 it already has file scope 15:34:17 stassats: That's what I thought too. 15:34:22 Which is why I am asking. 15:37:09 Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 15:37:49 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Quit: Ragequit] 15:38:13 you mean LOAD is specified to (let ((*readtable*))...) around its thing? 15:38:57 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-cf4fe555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:39:00 If I understand correctly, compile-file binds *readtable* to its current value. 15:39:07 Let me check with LOAD... 15:39:31 oh, I think I see where my problem is: there's a bit of swank magic right in the source of IN-READTABLE 15:39:42 LOAD does too. 15:40:28 cmm: OK, so can you describe the symptoms of the problem? 15:41:20 beach: readtable doesn't stick in the slime repl, even after being explicitly SETF'ed 15:41:42 I see. 15:41:44 Thanks. 15:41:48 i'm using named-readtables from the repl all the time 15:41:55 haven't had to do anything 15:42:06 now I see that swank connects readtables with packages, for some reason 15:42:20 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 15:42:40 so if your repl is in a package that is not associated with a readtable, all good. else -- not so good 15:43:02 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:43:07 and in my case, well, I happen to use several readtables in one package 15:43:25 so when I switch the repl to that package, there's weirdness 15:45:29 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:45:45 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:47 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:46:29 clhs compile-file 15:46:30 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_cmp_fi.htm 15:47:35 "compile-file binds *readtable* and *package* to the values they held before processing the file" 15:47:39 what does that mean ? 15:48:07 fe[nl]ix: It means it does (let ((*readtable* *readtable*) (*package* *package*)) ...) 15:48:45 fe[nl]ix: ... so that if they are assigned to in the file, that assignment has no effect when the compilation is finished. 15:49:02 which means you can modify the binding, but not destructively modify the readtable 15:49:10 which is my problem 15:49:44 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-170-198.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:50:37 random libraries that modify *readtable* without doing (setf *readtable* (copy-readtable)) first 15:50:56 stassats: see comments above the definition of %frob-swank-readtable-alist in named-readtables.lisp 15:51:14 fe[nl]ix: You can modify it, right? Because the modifications are destructive... 15:51:33 what do you mean by "it" ? 15:51:45 stassats: I have no idea what that would entail, of course, but perhaps this is one of those moments when you say "hah, that's easy!" 15:52:09 the readtable. The thing that would keep you from modifying it would be (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable *readtable*))) ...) which is not what beach said. 15:52:40 rpg: indeed 15:52:46 cmm: that's where i say "hah, i no longer contribute to slime" 15:53:02 but I think some would oppose putting that into ASDF 15:53:05 stassats: oh, I wasn't aware... 15:53:33 rpg: I'd like ASDF to rebind *readtable* to a copy 15:53:56 but I remember gbyers being very much against something like that 15:54:16 fe[nl]ix: That does not sound like the right solution to me, but I might be wrong of course. 15:54:34 fe[nl]ix: well, it would break projects that modify *readtable* in several files and mean it 15:55:10 cmm: but that's something i would consider improving in my next-yet-to-be-named-slime-killer 15:55:14 cmm: I'd like that 15:55:14 fe[nl]ix: also, that would make COMPILE-FILE invoked inside ASDF have semantics that deviate from COMPILE-FILE outside ASDF in ways sure to confuse people. 15:55:54 ASDF3 has a way to specify the dynamic environment for compile-file and I'd like people to use that 15:55:59 I really wouldn't like having the semantics change b/w C-c C-k and ASDF:LOAD-SYSTEM 15:56:24 you can add Slime hooks for that 15:56:30 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bbarslkfyzgcoajt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:32 I don't think it's ASDF's job to break people of their bad habits, even if they *are* bad. 15:56:37 I do 15:56:46 Especially if they cause debugging confusion. 15:57:00 -!- umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.225.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:45 rpg: Fare wanted to make C-c C-k perform compilation via ASDF 15:57:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-89-145.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:58:06 but i didn't find it to be reasonable 15:58:11 I do 15:58:16 so now (pushnew 'try-compile-file-with-asdf *compile-file-for-emacs-hook*) in asdf.lisp is commented out 15:58:17 stassats: And are we to fix ACL ELI, and every version of Hemlock, too? 15:58:20 no no no no no 15:58:37 screw ELI and Hemlock 15:58:53 umontabea [~abeaumont@77.231.255.252] has joined #lisp 15:59:00 Sorry, every time I use SLIME w/ ACL, I end up saying screw SLIME, instead. 15:59:17 sldb is really crappy 15:59:24 we're using it and it works 15:59:57 It's like tying cinder blocks to your legs and trying to walk. It systematically breaks the excellent ACL debugger and it's impossible to turn off. 16:00:03 *in swank-asdf.lisp 16:00:27 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:00:37 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 16:00:47 and i ended up said saying "screw slime and screwing anything non-sbcl" 16:01:08 It's not my job to turn ASDF into something that forces tool choices on people. 16:01:25 doomlord_ [~servitor@host109-151-64-15.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:41 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-hrzpqwdusfspgcgp] has joined #lisp 16:01:53 stassats: YMMV, but I find ACL a much more congenial debugging environment than SBCL. I *like* all those restarts. 16:02:16 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:21 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:02:51 maybe because you're used to it 16:02:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:34 stassats: yes, and you can't get used to it using SLIME, because sldb removes access to lots of the good stuff. 16:03:36 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-224-50-85.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:03:58 sldb doesn't remove anything, it just doesn't provide it 16:04:00 stassats: personally, i really hate it that sldb pushes me into the minibuffer. 16:04:04 -!- zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:04:07 patches are welcome, as they say 16:04:11 maxter__ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:14 killerboy [~mateusz@staticline-31-183-61-68.toya.net.pl] has joined #lisp 16:04:37 stassats: if the debugger offers something made invisible by filtering through sldb, it removes it. It's a filter. 16:04:39 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:45 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:46 (but, i won't be applying them) 16:05:00 stassats: I took a look at making sldb disablable, but I don't think it's really feasible. 16:05:08 certainly beyond my capabilities. 16:05:36 zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.15] has joined #lisp 16:05:45 too bad, because the presentations, inspector interface, etc. are simply breathtakingly awesome. 16:05:52 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:52 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:05:57 -!- maxter_ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:06:21 oh, yes, and the source editing of lisp files. markup, etc., brilliant! 16:08:13 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 16:10:53 -!- maxter__ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:32 -!- mau_ is now known as maucs54321 16:11:38 -!- maucs54321 is now known as maucs 16:11:44 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:12:02 maxter__ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:22 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-226-165.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:14:26 <|3b|> ZabaQ: rewrote the binding generator due to changes in the source data it uses, but didn't quite get it right... unfortunately was close enough that it worked on linux (at least with the drivers i have) so didn't notice the problem until it got into quicklisp :/ 16:14:42 -!- maucs is now known as mau_ 16:14:52 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:23 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:15:55 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-226-165.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:16:35 -!- mau_ is now known as maucs 16:20:22 pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:51 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:12 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-251-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:24 DalekBaldwin [~user@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 16:22:58 clmsy_ [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 16:23:12 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:26:09 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 16:26:58 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-226-165.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:27:14 stassats: is there something about the emacs design that makes it significantly easier to have sldb interaction go through a minibuffer? 16:27:45 I figured that was the case, but haven't written any emacs-lisp of near this scope. 16:27:46 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:59 i don't know of any sldb interactions through the minibuffer 16:28:14 stassats: when you evaluate an expression... 16:28:32 that's the thing I would most like to have happen in a full-fledged repl. 16:28:36 i never do that 16:28:55 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:09 stassats: I do it all the time (learned behavior first from Symbolics, then ELI). I suspect it's why you like sldb and I don't. 16:29:28 i don't like sldb 16:29:33 i just use it 16:30:11 I like it as long as I am mousing around the stack. But when I want to interact with local variables, I soon start to gnash my teeth. 16:30:23 -!- trebor_dki [~user@153.96.244.202] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:30:42 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-185-234.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:32:05 sldb is in a minibuffer? 16:32:06 you seemed to understand the SLIME internals well, that's why I was asking. 16:32:14 ogamita: the evaluation of expressions is. 16:32:32 Well, that's natural, I'd say. minibuffers are for user input. 16:33:07 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-abunhsjaqjvmrmpt] has joined #lisp 16:33:22 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-224-50-85.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 16:33:25 ogamita: Not natural if you grew up on a symbolics, or with ELI. Then you interact with the debugger through the REPL, with history, variable binding, and what you evaluate doesn't get whisked away from your eyeballs by Emacs. 16:33:30 rpg: emacs just sucks for any complicated interfaces 16:33:32 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 16:33:33 rpg: there's B to go back to debugging in the REPL, but indeed, we can't revert to sldb after that. 16:33:59 ogamita: yes, in my experience it usually goes pear-shaped soon after I do that. 16:34:02 ASau [~user@p5797F0B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:34:14 in some implementations yes. 16:34:27 I should just see if I can hack a way to have a repl there. Probably beyond me, but worth an hour or two of tweaking. 16:34:59 We should be able to open another repl on multithreaded implementations. 16:35:38 rpg: it shouldn't be hard, but then you'll complain that you can't navigate between 25 repl buffers you created 16:36:18 stassats: I was thinking more of a repl that was bound to the sldb context, so it would go away when sldb does. This may be just a pipe dream. 16:38:35 It should be feasible indeed. 16:39:11 I suppose it would be tricky to have the REPL sync its state with the selected frame of sldb. 16:40:09 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:26 I'd imagine the expressions would be evaluated in the debugger, so they would naturally be evaluated in the selected frame context. 16:40:40 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 16:41:13 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:39 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: leaving for the week end. 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So... what should I do? 18:14:16 You need to install the 64-bit libssl 18:14:21 Or use 32-bit CCL 18:15:02 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 18:15:34 but then, it searches for libssl32.dll 18:15:39 Do you use SSL via Drakma? 18:15:42 (the 64bits CCL) 18:15:45 quite obviously 64bit drakma won't load 32bit libs 18:15:48 yes 18:16:01 I know it won't, but that's the error I have 18:16:05 Looking at drakma sources... 18:16:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:44 yeah, I think I'll use 32bits ccl. Gosh, I hate how bad Windows still is in 64bits 18:17:11 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:21 cmack` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-30-178.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:50 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xxkicntirwaomgkx] has joined #lisp 18:19:05 In cl+ssl-.../reload.lisp, you need to change the :windows line for the libssl define-foreign-library 18:19:08 Denommus 18:19:43 If the library file is libssl64.dll, then you'd change to that. 18:19:55 nah, already decided to stick with 32bits ccl. It's just for scripting at work anyway 18:19:58 ok 18:20:11 -!- cmack [~charlie@adsl-98-87-43-125.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:20:13 Could fairly be called a cl+ssl bug 18:20:25 daimrod [daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 18:21:04 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 18:22:38 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 18:22:43 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:51 pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:47 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:05 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:34:07 Denommus` [~user@201.75.24.136] has joined #lisp 18:35:23 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:55 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:38:06 -!- ndrei 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Quicklisp made it take forever to boot up. 21:07:34 ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 21:09:26 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:02 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 21:13:15 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 21:14:43 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:16:34 -!- spintronic [~user@209-147-144-6.nat.asu.edu] has left #lisp 21:18:13 -!- azynheira [~pgomes@178-24-45-128-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:18:19 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19:25 ntabeaumo [~abeaumont@77.231.225.206] has joined #lisp 21:19:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:20:11 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:03 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 21:21:51 -!- ontabeaum [~abeaumont@77.231.225.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:25:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-154.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:26 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:47 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:55 seg [~Thunderbi@71-80-164-69.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:29:42 jrghiglia [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-152-29.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 21:30:59 -!- rrs [~rrs@76.191.32.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:31:21 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:33:02 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:33:36 boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has joined #lisp 21:35:16 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-bpfjppxczaermckz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:15 -!- clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:36:17 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:36:27 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Quit: jangle] 21:36:32 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:37:43 -!- boian [~boian@5.53.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:13 namccarty [~namccarty@74-131-94-214.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 21:38:17 -!- namccarty [~namccarty@74-131-94-214.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #lisp 21:39:35 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 21:41:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-89-145.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:41:22 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:38 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@75-164-9-244.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:42:51 TDog [~chatzilla@75-164-9-244.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:53 -!- ln [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 21:43:20 jeff280 [~Jeff@c-24-4-36-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:18 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 21:46:54 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:48:17 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:50 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51:30 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 21:53:21 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:46 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-141-61.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:05 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:55:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:22 sprintronic: sorry I was wondering if any of the maintainers were about. 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First the ecl maintainer, now cliki :-( 23:20:12 On the otherhand I got a response from ltk-users@common-lisp.net the same day I sent out a question. Apparently the list was dead for technical reasons, not because Peter isn't still maintaining the code 23:21:03 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F0B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:26 i will ping the cliki.net maintainer 23:22:50 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:27 ASau [~user@p5797F0B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:29:28 is there any way to stop (complex 0 0) being canonicalized to 0? context: i'm trying to declare a variable set to (complex 0 0) as complex, but this errors 23:29:56 (complex 0 0.0) 23:30:04 desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 23:30:23 Notice you can use #C(0.0 0.0) to avoid building a new complex everytime you evaluate the complex function. 23:31:05 thanks pjb :) 23:32:06 so, yes, there's no integer complex 0+0i, this is identical to the integer 0. In the case of floating point since they represent small intervals, we cannot identify 0.0+0.0i to 0.0, because there's an uncertainty (up to eg least-positive-double-float) into the imaginary plane. 23:32:52 gotchya 23:33:07 Notice also how you can't have 4/2 different from 2. 23:33:12 user__ [~user_@ip-64-134-187-21.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:40 HasMan [~textual@dsl-173-206-149-179.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 23:33:53 -!- user__ [~user_@ip-64-134-187-21.public.wayport.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:06 user__ [~user_@ip-64-134-187-21.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:11 -!- PineTree [~user_@ip-64-134-187-21.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:35 -!- copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:47 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:41:26 copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has joined #lisp 23:43:08 -!- HasMan [~textual@dsl-173-206-149-179.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:35 jrghigli` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-152-29.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 23:43:51 -!- jrghiglia [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-152-29.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:17 HasMan [~textual@dsl-173-206-149-179.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 23:47:33 rrs [~rrs@c-24-128-48-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:48 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 23:53:02 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.225.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:54:08 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 23:55:12 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]