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It looks like McCLIM is not available on MacOSX in Lispworks. :-( 00:38:52 lispworks worth it? :P 00:39:16 It's pretty good. 00:39:39 Well, I hoped to use it as a solution to a McCLIM problem on MacOSX, but it seems it's only available on X11 and MS-Windows. 00:40:09 Everytime I try to do something with Lispworks, that fails for some reason or another 00:41:46 And CLIM in Allegro is thru X11 too, there's no native MacOSX CLIM it seems :-( 00:41:50 ludocode [~quassel@108.175.230.81] has joined #lisp 00:44:08 pjb: there used to be a backend for mcclim, no idea the state it is in, though 00:44:13 which went through cocoa 00:44:22 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:44:27 -!- ludocode_ [~quassel@75-119-235-129.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:44:47 I've got: CLX/ Graphic-Forms/ Null/ OpenGL/ PostScript/ beagle/ gtkairo/ in mcclim/Backends 00:45:02 I think it was beagle, but I can't be sure 00:45:51 Ah right. It worked on openmcl. I'll have a look at it with ccl. Thanks. 00:45:52 rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.165.139] has joined #lisp 00:46:55 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:46:55 -!- seangrov` [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:49:18 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 00:55:04 -!- rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.165.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:21 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:22 rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.165.139] has joined #lisp 00:55:37 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 00:55:49 -!- rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.165.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:40 rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.165.139] has joined #lisp 00:57:42 -!- scripty [~scripty@117.221.125.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:58:21 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:01 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.150.30.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:13 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.150.30.181] has joined #lisp 01:03:37 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6bd50.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 01:04:14 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.150.30.181] has quit [Client Quit] 01:05:28 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:13 seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:14 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 01:07:06 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6a944.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:16:33 p_adams [~p_adams@24-107-140-111.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:33 -!- p_adams is now known as yrdz 01:19:19 zophy [~sy@host-49-142-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:47 -!- namccarty [~namccarty@74-131-94-214.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:43:41 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:48:13 tolk [~user@host175.190-138-194.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 01:56:01 KarlDscc [~localhost@p578FC4FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 01:56:25 Xach: ping 01:56:31 Was ist los 01:56:56 just want to know if you could test the patch and/or if I should/may/may not commit it upstream? 01:57:17 I do not have time today to test it, sorry. 01:58:04 np 01:59:44 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9C0B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:01:31 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 02:01:55 aw [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has joined #lisp 02:03:20 gyutyuglf [gyutyuglf@86.126.58.151] has joined #lisp 02:04:14 -!- aw|incendiary_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:02 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:08:42 nilsi_ [~nilsi@221.146.90.62] has joined #lisp 02:09:08 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-188-101.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:14 -!- joshe [~joshe@2001:470:e862::1:1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:09:27 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-180-182.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:13:48 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:00 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:14:10 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:14:19 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:20 -!- ckoch786 [~cory@107-219-7-73.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:54 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 02:16:03 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@24-107-140-111.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 02:17:30 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:59 -!- KarlDscc [~localhost@p578FC4FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:06 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host109-151-64-15.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:09 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:21:40 ckoch786 [~cory@107-219-7-73.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:48 -!- gyutyuglf [gyutyuglf@86.126.58.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:26:21 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:04 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:28:21 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:04 ics [~ics@ool-18bf6d86.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:30:30 -!- ehaliewi` is now known as ehaliewicz 02:31:38 I've implemented a small package that does SPNEGO authentication for Hunchentoot. Currently the system is called "hunchentoot-single-signon", but if I include this in QL, it needs a different name, yes? 02:32:01 Why? 02:32:01 TDog [~chatzilla@65.129.207.43] has joined #lisp 02:32:28 I don't know 02:32:41 Should I have hunchentoot in the name? Hunchentoot is not my project 02:32:50 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:33:12 There are other projects that add stuff to hunchentoot that have hunchentoot in the name 02:33:14 setekhid [~sete@119.129.119.18] has joined #lisp 02:33:35 Currently this project is only used in-house, since some of our internal intranet sites use Hunchentoot, and people expect single-signon to work 02:33:49 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@221.146.90.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:53 it's OK for extensions to keep the main project name while having different maintainers 02:34:01 e.g. asdf-system-connections or asdf-flv 02:34:02 Fare: OK, cool 02:34:17 Is Hans the maintainer of hunchentoot? 02:34:21 or quux-hunchentoot, etc. 02:34:29 I believe so 02:34:46 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 02:34:48 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:12 -!- rpg [~rpg@198-74-7-110.fttp.usinternet.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 02:35:35 I do have some questions as to what is the best way to provide this thing as an API. Mainly because Hunchentoot doesn't have a standard filter mechanism, nor does it have a user/login system (as per design, I guess). So right now it's just a single function that one has to call to perform the handshake 02:36:09 -!- zophy [~sy@host-49-142-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:52 echo-area [~user@nat/yahoo/x-pyjmdtegrclirgbv] has joined #lisp 02:43:12 Xach: anyway, I pushed something as 3.0.2.12, so you don't have to apply a patch, just pull the latest and try. 02:44:16 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@50.14.84.76] has joined #lisp 02:49:21 -!- chenjf [~chenjf@14.209.102.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:49:57 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:23 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-65-251-48.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:21 cmm [~cmm@109.65.251.48] has joined #lisp 02:55:10 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:13 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:01:34 echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:04:40 -!- echo-area [~user@nat/yahoo/x-pyjmdtegrclirgbv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:07:57 To be a bit pedantic - what is the CL convention for single semi-colon comments - do they come before or after what they are describing. 03:08:34 after, on the same line 03:08:36 clhs 2.4.4.2 03:08:37 Notes about Style for Semicolon: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_ddb.htm 03:08:39 usually at a particular column 03:08:49 the most pedantic section of the spec? quite possibly 03:11:07 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 03:11:43 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:12:25 -!- echo-are` is now known as echo-area 03:12:59 -!- fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:03 fourier1 [~fourier@c193-150-241-109.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 03:14:33 Got it - thanks. 03:16:50 When I put them on the same line as the code they describe, emacs doesn't indent them at all - does emacs really expect me to indent my own comments - for shame. 03:17:39 doomlord_ [~servitor@host109-151-64-15.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 03:18:09 drmeister: choose the codes and `M-x comment-region` 03:18:29 i don't thnk that's what he means 03:19:02 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 03:19:40 oh, it is "own comments", sigh 03:19:51 I mean if I want to line up my semi-colon comments as in: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/31c94000908e46a04a7c I have to do it myself - is that correct? 03:21:17 This is my first non-CL compiler code. My CL compiler is written in low-level Common Lisp without CLOS so I'm using generic functions for the first time. 03:21:46 drmeister, no, press M-; 03:22:06 TDog_ [~chatzilla@65.129.207.43] has joined #lisp 03:22:17 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@65.129.207.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22:22 -!- TDog_ is now known as TDog 03:22:30 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:41 I was a bit shocked to hear that Juanjo Garcia-Ripoll wants to hand off ECL development to someone else. I completely understand since he's not using it for his own research. 03:26:36 in emacs you can always use M-x align-regexp 03:26:37 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.251.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:50 then do something like ; 03:26:52 followed by RET 03:26:59 to align all highlighted area on the ; 03:27:15 drmeister: I feel ECL will be history long ago. 03:27:19 cmm [~cmm@109.65.251.48] has joined #lisp 03:28:57 IIRC, the stumpwm built with ECL even cannot work although ECL declares it is ANSI compatible 03:29:56 for god's sake, how hard is it to understand that clx is not part of ansi 03:32:09 However, CLISP/CCL/SBCL can work great using CLX from QuickLisp except ECL. 03:33:06 -!- zRecursive is now known as zRecursive{away} 03:33:15 -!- zRecursive{away} [~czsq888@171.217.1.197] has left #lisp 03:34:26 arquebus [~frath@c-107-3-164-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:33 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:35:38 so ECL goes to the unmaintained compiler list? :-/ 03:36:07 Sure, the maintained one is ECLS, isn't it? :) 03:36:28 What's ECLS? 03:37:25 What Juan renamed ECL to. 03:37:32 Oh. 03:38:20 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-170-195.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:38:25 Good morning everyone. 03:38:57 who's maintaining McCLIM, these days? 03:39:10 I don't think anybody is. 03:39:17 where is the "official" repo? Still old CVS? 03:39:30 Yes, I believe so. 03:39:41 It would be a good start to move it to GIT. 03:39:44 ooc, is SBCL still actively maintained? 03:42:45 yes. 03:43:21 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:43:53 ECL got renamed?... I saw something in twitter about ECL needing a new maintainer? 03:44:03 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 03:44:13 ECL does need a new maintainer 03:44:30 eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.255.178] has joined #lisp 03:46:13 What are some advantages of ECL over (say) GCL or CLISP? 03:46:40 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:47:39 Well, ECL is more or less the dehorriblized version of GCL. 03:47:50 CLISP is in another basket. 03:48:02 ECL's selling point is very good C integration in both directions. 03:48:16 I see. 03:48:19 aumontabe [~abeaumont@77.231.255.212] has joined #lisp 03:48:38 -!- eaumontab [~abeaumont@77.231.255.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:07 What's horrible about GCL? 03:51:36 youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:51:39 Everything, from memory. 03:51:53 can ECL run on bare metal? 03:51:56 Not to start a flame war or anything - I'm just curious about technical decisions made that led to problems. 03:52:06 arquebus: No more than C can. 03:52:10 *drmeister* knows a thing or two about those .... 03:52:40 i thought the reason GCL is like it is because it was for propping up maxima and nothing else, but i've never looked at it 03:53:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.74.66] has joined #lisp 03:53:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.74.66] has quit [Changing host] 03:53:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:53:49 GCL is a version of KCL that was mostly developed to support maxima. 03:54:02 Bike: That's an interesting statement - what does maxima need that GCL provides? 03:54:25 i mean, the development of GCL and maxima got mixed up. apparenty to the detriment of both. 03:55:01 I was hoping to run maxima at some point and ditch mathematica althogether. 03:55:25 what's NOT horrible about GCL? 03:55:49 KCL was developed mostly in isolation, too, wasn't it? 03:56:04 is that the one where randomly some japanese folks were like "hey look we have lisp" 03:56:18 sykopomp, yup 03:56:22 ECL is derived from KCL isn't it? 03:56:36 distantly, yes 03:57:22 KCL -> { AKCL -> GCL , ECLS -> ECL } 03:57:34 ECL -> MKCL 03:58:48 ECLS came from ECL, didn't it? 04:01:00 Sorry for my ignorance, but if MKCL is an improvement over ECL (as the project page claims) is it really worth the effort to maintain ECL as well? 04:01:26 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:01:29 p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 04:03:20 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-83-63.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 04:03:40 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-83-63.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:04:26 -!- tolk [~user@host175.190-138-194.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:05:04 ECL is just ECLS renamed 04:05:17 beach: "if" 04:05:34 I trust juanjo more than JCB 04:05:39 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:05:51 Fare: Things like that are hard to tell from the project pages. 04:05:52 JCB has some good ideas, but he sucks as a developer of an open source project 04:06:04 I see. 04:06:26 what you CAN tell is that JCB has not been using source control, and not been releasing often, either, and not been tracking bugfixes in ECL since the fork. 04:06:56 and yes, you can tell that from the project page 04:07:08 Fare: Thanks. 04:07:16 I guess I didn't look hard enough. 04:07:52 so I haven't looked at the merit of his changes to ECL — I'm sure there are some — but as a fork it still sucks. 04:08:14 So it seems ECL would be well worth maintaining. 04:08:20 would it? 04:08:33 no one seems to agree enough. 04:08:40 does CL have a future? 04:09:05 Oh, that's a much more general question. 04:09:28 in the long run, John Maynard Keynes is dead. 04:09:50 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:10:06 cmack` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-197-204.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:27 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:11:31 -!- cmack [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-18.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:11:38 Fare: By "no one seems to agree enough", do you mean that nobody cares enough to take on the task of maintaining it? 04:12:08 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12:24 beach: yup 04:13:56 -!- arquebus [~frath@c-107-3-164-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:14:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:14:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:15:17 cmack`` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-43-226.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:46 -!- cmack` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-197-204.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:15:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:16:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:16:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:16:19 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 04:16:37 Common Lisp is like Shangri-La - the enlightened will always find it. 04:17:46 zophy [~sy@host-98-218-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 04:17:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:17:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:18:08 or hopefully, they'll find something better. 04:18:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:18:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:18:23 Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-70-207.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:37 This community grief towards CL is unfortunate. 04:18:48 what community? 04:18:57 We. 04:19:12 CL is a good CL — but it's not moving forward as a language 04:19:18 there is no we. 04:19:26 We are Hugh. 04:19:36 Fare: Sure there is. There is you, there is me. 04:19:37 You said "we". It's cussing. Send $1 to we.is.cussing@gmail.com. Or the equivalent to bitcoin:1nowe5FVoAMKnWEPucd5Yjv4ZGcXCJyXD 04:19:37 Fare: Less so than Scheme? :^P 04:19:47 *youlysses* is still a big scheme fan though. 04:19:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:19:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:19:51 Pah - C++ is moving forward as a language - it got LAMBDA's in 2011 - yay! 04:20:09 CL needs public library development in my opinion. 04:20:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:20:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:20:47 youlysses, Scheme has a dysfunctional community, but healthy subcommunities. Racket is healthy. Dunno about Chicken these days, but used to be. Gambit seems healthy though small. 04:21:03 Ryan_Burnside, there are 700 different libraries 04:21:16 doing maybe 300 different things 04:21:20 And CL griefs 04:21:43 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@50.14.84.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:21:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:21:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:22:09 Fare, yes but a bunch of decentralized repos isn't the best way to ensure longevity. 04:22:10 didi: Don't worry about it. It seems to come with the language. 04:22:14 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:22:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:22:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:22:23 beach: It's very unfortunate. 04:22:40 didi: I quit worrying about it many years ago. 04:23:05 Ryan_Burnside: Do you know about quicklisp? 04:23:23 Yes. :) 04:23:30 Not used it much though. 04:23:50 Ryan_Burnside: I would not call that "a bunch of decentralized repos". 04:23:55 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:23:56 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:24:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:39 I've written extensively in C, FORTRAN, Smalltalk, Prolog, Forth, Postscript, Basic, TCL, Python, C++ ('til my fingers bleed) - I have never seen a better language than Common Lisp - what more does it need? 04:25:19 The language itself is pretty complete. I just fear library rot myself. 04:25:36 (Sorry, been trying to do GUI things as of late) 04:25:46 -!- |jrg| [~user@dynamic-adsl-78-13-176-250.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 04:25:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:25:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:25:55 drmeister: Have you tried Haskell or Scheme? 04:26:07 Scheme - yes. Haskell - no. 04:26:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:26:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:26:28 Scheme doesn't do macros as well as Common Lisp. 04:26:39 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 04:26:40 drmeister: that's false 04:26:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has left #lisp 04:26:54 if you mean they are hygienic, that's an improvement 04:27:04 -!- zophy [~sy@host-98-218-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:27:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:27:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:28:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:28:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:29:02 -!- effy [~quassel@222.131.155.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:29:03 nisstyre: I'm not arguing - I just find it too much trouble dealing with the single namespace and macros. I'm not a fan of hygienic macros. I like my macro programming dirty! 04:29:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:29:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:30:01 alezost [~user@128-70-203-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:30:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:30:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:30:50 You should see my macro for generating exception handling code using LLVM - it will make you blush: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/178963535be250eb218d 04:31:37 And I've only been programming in CL for a year - I'm a macro noob. 04:31:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:31:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:32:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:32:22 woah 04:32:28 that looks complex 04:33:30 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:33:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:33:52 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:14 Yeah - I was inspired that day - I barely understand it now myself. It sets up C++ style exception handling and I use it to implement UNWIND-PROTECT/CATCH&THROW/BLOCK&RETURN-FROM etc. 04:34:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:34:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:35:48 All-righty-then - my SMILES parser and molecule builder is coming together - generic functions rock. 04:35:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:35:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:36:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:36:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:37:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:37:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:37:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.251.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:07 <|3b|> drmeister: that just looks verbose, rather than complex 04:38:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:38:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:38:23 *|3b|* doesn't see any variants of ,, in that for example 04:38:45 I love the idea of programs that write programs - you can escape the normal confines of writing code. 04:38:57 cmm [~cmm@109.65.251.48] has joined #lisp 04:39:18 @drmeister you know there are AI implications in that...someplace. 04:39:37 |3b| - oh pish posh - it's irreducibly complex. 04:39:42 <|3b|> declaring (safety 0) in a macro seems a bit odd though 04:39:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:39:49 *drmeister* reminds himself that you can't impress other developers. 04:39:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:40:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:40:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:40:41 *|3b|* can maybe see wanting to optimize run time enough to justify it sometimes, but compile time? 04:40:50 <|3b|> particularly with no explicit error handling 04:41:22 <|3b|> actually, safety 0 and speed 0, so it isn't even trying to optimize compile time 04:41:28 |3b| It's even more odd that my compiler ignores (declare (optimize ...)) at the present time. I think I was testing it on SBCL or something - but you are correct (safety 0) for a macro is weird. 04:41:46 <|3b|> nah, ignoring (most) declarations is perfectly reasonably 04:41:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:41:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:42:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:42:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:43:06 I'm so annoyed with the fact that there is one special declaration that can't be ignored. It really should be a declaration. 04:43:50 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:43:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:44:04 -!- pillton [~user@140.253.50.147] has left #lisp 04:44:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:44:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:44:28 <|3b|> yeah, can't ignore declarations of 'special' 04:44:34 loke: Yeah, (declare (special ...))) took me a long time to come to terms with. 04:45:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:45:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:46:08 <|3b|> some of the other declarations can only be ignored if you ignore some other things too (for example you can't ignore 'notinline' if you implement compiler macros, or inline things) 04:46:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:46:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:46:19 In most cases, that declaration is a bit pointless as well since you can be much more clear with your intent by using DEFVAR'ed variabled. 04:46:59 |3b|: fair enough 04:47:44 effy [~quassel@114.250.102.184] has joined #lisp 04:47:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:47:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:48:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:48:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:49:49 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:49:50 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:50:17 Can we kick K1rk off? 04:50:19 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:50:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:51:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:53:20 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-bhrrifmlsolzxgbl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:55:42 ASau` 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After successful handshake, the fn will be called with one argument, the name of the autoenticated user 10:47:40 I.e. all normal processing needs to go in the "fn" 10:47:49 loke_: thank you! i see that the main work is via in cl-gss, gss ffi wrapper 10:48:00 p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 10:48:02 hlavaty`: Yes. I wrote that too. It's in Quicklisp 10:48:51 chr``: get-internal-real-time might do what you need, but it's implementation specific. See http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_get_in.htm and http://xach.livejournal.com/94777.html . The SBCL docstring is: 10:48:51 "Return the real time (\"wallclock time\") since startup in the internal 10:48:51 time format. (See INTERNAL-TIME-UNITS-PER-SECOND.)" 10:49:02 hlavaty`: well, it kind of has to be done - GSS API is for plugging in the SPNEGO negotiated auth mechanism 10:49:32 Oh, one thing to keep in mind: if you have a windows client, it will initially request a mechnicasm that is unsupported, and CL-GSS:ACCEPT-SEC will throw an error. Just respond to that by throwing a 500 or wahetever, and Explorer will come back again with a "normal" GSSAPI request 10:50:21 effy [~quassel@222.129.233.89] has joined #lisp 10:50:22 I intend to fix this so that it works properly, but right now it does work, as I put it in production in-house today 10:50:24 Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 10:50:25 -!- Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:31 i was hoping for pure lisp library, but ffi wrapper is still better than no solution 10:51:05 hlavaty`: That would be insanely painful. You'd have to reimplement not only GSSAPI but also the entire Kerberos client part 10:51:29 No one is going to do that in Lisp. They did it for Java, and the Java implementation is horrible to deal with 10:52:16 and you can't load local GSS plugins without FFI anyway 10:52:19 ok 10:52:29 Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 10:54:29 is there a good overview/spec for the gss protocol you could recommend? 10:54:32 Oh, and don't forget to call CL-GSS:KRB5-REGISTER-ACCEPTOR-IDENTITY with your service keytab as well 10:54:40 hlavaty`: The protocol itself? 10:54:45 yes 10:54:49 hlavaty`: there is no GSS protocol 10:54:53 it's an API 10:55:03 There is a Kerberos protocol 10:55:07 well, the systems talk to each other somehow 10:55:20 Yeah, using the underlying implementation. Normally Kerberos. 10:55:42 understand 10:56:19 hlavaty`: STart here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4556 10:56:28 oh wai 10:56:30 t 10:56:32 not that one 10:56:47 that one: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4120 10:56:56 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:57:30 have fun :-) 10:57:55 hlavaty`: GSS is to provide pluggable authentication (a bit like PAM) for remote services, SPNEGO is basically a way to negotiate *what* you're using to authenticate 10:57:58 I've spent several hours on getting the FFI bindings working satisfactory (and there are still issues with it) 10:58:02 Kerberos is the actual auth protocol 10:58:11 Implementing just that RFC will take months at least 10:58:23 afk 11:01:26 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-fnpcpeolexyhkcfc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01:37 p_l: If you test this stuff, please let me know of any issues. The CL-GSS implementation has issues here and there, and the SPNEGO stuff is completely new, and mostly works on pure luck (I just hacked it together yesterday) 11:02:00 I'll try to improve it in the coming days, but please keep me updated on anything you notice. 11:02:04 -!- Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:15 loke_: i dont think pubkey cryptography is difficult in lisp; we have bignums out of the box; the difficult part is to wrap ones head around the ideas and then implement the overengineered wire protocols 11:03:34 hlavaty`: Kerberos is not public key. It only uses symmetric keys. 11:03:53 hlavaty`: That said, it's not the encryuption that is difficult (Ironclad already has everything you need) 11:04:12 it's the implementation of the protocol itself that will have you go insane 11:04:16 yes, and i just found http://common-lisp.net/project/crypticl/ 11:04:50 loke_: i can imagine that:-( 11:05:39 there is also https://github.com/lmj/lfarm/blob/master/lfarm-gss/lfarm-gss.lisp 11:05:41 Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:05:53 hlavaty`: Umm... That's my code 11:05:55 ah it uses your cl-gss :-) 11:06:04 Generally, if it does GSS on Lisp, you can be pretty sure I'm behind it 11:06:11 I implemented that 11:06:20 I also implemented GSSAPI support in TRIVIAL-LDAP 11:06:27 Oh, and I did the GSS support in Postmodern 11:07:05 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:30 I mainly did it for my own benefit. I'm trying to have everything using SSO at home and we're also doing the same at the office 11:09:03 loke_: brilliant; the dependency of cl-gss is libgss, which is gplv3? 11:09:26 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:39 There are two major implementations: MIT Kerberos and Heimdal 11:09:44 both are BSD licensened 11:09:59 then there is the Microsoft version, SSPI.DLL I think? 11:10:10 I never tried to link with that one, but at least in theory it should work. 11:10:40 namtsui` [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:12 loke_: sounds good, thank you very much! 11:11:42 hej hlavaty` 11:11:52 hi fe[nl]ix still in berlin? 11:12:08 Well, time to leave the office 11:12:15 ehu [~ehu@109.34.49.254] has joined #lisp 11:12:48 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:13:24 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:14:28 hlavaty`: nope, moved to Straßburg 11:14:34 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-pntadaghwvfcomwj] has joined #lisp 11:15:18 -!- gyutyuglf [gyutyuglf@86.126.58.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:15:23 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-pntadaghwvfcomwj] has quit [Changing host] 11:15:23 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:15:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15:42 gyutyuglf [gyutyuglf@86.126.58.151] has joined #lisp 11:15:54 -!- ckoch786 [~cory@107-219-7-73.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:02 Munksgaard [~philip@130.225.178.9] has joined #lisp 11:16:05 josemanuel [~josemanue@203.Red-83-40-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:16:07 -!- Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:49 fe[nl]ix: it was too flat here? :-) or is there a better lisp community there? 11:21:41 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:41 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:26:33 pavelpenev: Thanks. In Lispworks there is the undocumented system::PROCESS-STARTING-TIME-STRING. 11:27:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:27:24 hlavaty`: I couldn't find a CL job in Berlin 11:28:43 you didn't ask 11:28:51 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:31:43 does anyone have an estimate of the total number of CL employers in the world? ITA, Ravenpack, NovaSparks (?), the commercial Lisp vendors, ... ? 11:32:52 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:54 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:35:38 is there a canonical website where CL freelancers are gathering? I've just looked at https://www.elance.com/ and there's linkedin of course... but where do people look for CL freelancers? 11:36:06 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:37:04 word of mouth or they send email to http://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ i suppose 11:38:34 attila_lendvai: hi still in asia? 11:38:55 hi 11:39:26 yep, almaty. but haven't really done anything interesting in programming for the past 5 years now... 11:39:31 macdice: there's a bunch of scheme in financials, i guess 11:42:54 p_l: finances are full of schemes indeed 11:43:23 haha 11:46:28 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-23-19.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49:21 heh 11:49:26 *macdice* uses scheme in finance 11:49:43 which scheme? 11:49:54 used various 11:50:26 but i'm not really at liberty to say much about it. but it's not used for anything terribly exciting, just data munging 11:50:33 mungeing 11:50:35 munching 11:50:51 i've also used CL for some amateur trading/finance hacking 11:51:14 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 11:51:25 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 11:53:57 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.252.39] has joined #lisp 11:54:32 anyone know anything about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphacet ? i suspect these guys may be using CL 11:55:46 what does it matter what they use? 11:55:50 -!- cmack`` is now known as cmack 11:56:43 just curious. i'm interested in who is using CL commercially, especially new companies, it makes me happy 11:57:53 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:25 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:27 Google Fligths ;) 12:01:08 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-111-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:20 waaahahahaha 12:01:25 was that a joke ? 12:01:30 arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:01:43 google flights is the new name of ITA software, it's CL 12:01:50 at least my understanding is that it's CL 12:02:05 wait, do they provide flight tickets or what ? 12:02:16 try it it's public. 12:02:22 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-110-45.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:03:09 there is a nice historical email/article about ITA here: http://www.paulgraham.com/carl.html 12:03:38 best quote is at the top: "until we pointed it out to them I don't think they had any understanding of how hard the problem they're trying to solve is, or how far their solutions are from optimal" 12:03:44 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:04:09 uhuh, germany is not included 12:04:22 wth 12:04:50 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 12:06:49 but results are displayed damn fast 12:06:56 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:07:23 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:41 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:12:05 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:18 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:13:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:40 Greetings. 12:19:03 No dump questions today. 12:19:03 hello hitecnologys 12:19:14 How's everybody doing? 12:20:00 cmack` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-229.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:34 -!- cmack [~charlie@adsl-98-87-43-226.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23:40 *hitecnologys* just thought that the previous phrase was probably incorrect. 12:24:33 did you mean "damp"? 12:24:44 Yup. 12:25:03 i'm pulling your leg, sorry 12:25:23 I probably need to sleep more, my mind is full of something weird. 12:26:46 The actual question was: anybody working on something interesting? 12:27:26 why do you want to know? 12:27:36 Just curious. 12:27:40 wouldn't you be rather working on something interesting yourself? 12:28:25 I'm already working on something interesting: that crappy online libraries engine of mine. 12:29:18 (or library engine, I'm not sure how to call it properly) 12:31:28 hitecnologys: I'm in the proccess of finishing up my book, and open sourceing it: https://github.com/pvlpenev/lispwebtales 12:32:58 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 12:33:12 ubolonto` [~user@117.1.190.134] has joined #lisp 12:33:59 pavelpenev: (make-pathname :name nil :type nil :defaults *load-truename*) doesn't work quite that well 12:34:02 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:44 chr``: cl-user> (uptime) / uptime: 1 day, 48 minutes, 15 seconds. / 89295 12:34:44 12:34:50 but figuring it's an .asd file, not many people compile them 12:34:53 But you have to be forseeing. 12:35:28 -!- ubolonton [~user@117.1.185.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:35:28 and quickload com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive in your rc file. 12:35:49 pavelpenev: I thought you'll never publish it. That's great, I'll read it some time later. 12:36:22 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.221] has joined #lisp 12:36:39 hitecnologys: moving and starting a job get a monopoly on your time :) 12:39:44 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:52 ogamita` [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:39:57 ikki [~ikki@201.141.84.216] has joined #lisp 12:41:51 stassats: and my inner script kiddie shows, I copied that from somewhere. 12:41:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:57 pavelpenev: the indentation of the system in http://lispwebtales.ppenev.com/chap07.html#persistence-part-ii-the-ui is a tad off 12:42:09 pavelpenev: it's ok, i haven't noticed at first it being an .asd 12:42:24 pavelpenev: leave it like it is, if only to annoy ogamita` 12:42:27 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:42:34 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 12:43:15 stassats: It's a mess, I basically wrote the damn thing as fast as I could, then got a job and two monts later I'm trying to figure out what the hell I did, whats left and how to finish it. Prose is not unlike code :) 12:43:30 stassats: Indentation is wrong in a whole lot of places. 12:44:08 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:48:03 echo-area [~user@123.120.255.5] has joined #lisp 12:50:36 ogamita`` [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:51:40 -!- ogamita`` is now known as ogamita 12:51:58 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:52:19 -!- ogamita` [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:52:48 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 12:52:53 p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 12:53:06 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:53:54 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 12:55:19 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-22-51.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:56:02 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:57:39 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:57:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:02:26 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:02:29 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:43 macdice: the best estimation would be a /who #lisp |wc -l :-) 13:03:49 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:04:37 so 385 lispers world wide here :-) 13:04:50 (including robots and duplicates). 13:05:27 github says: remote: fatal: write error: No space left on device :/ 13:05:32 -!- oleo_ [d4b81ecd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.184.30.205] has quit [] 13:06:06 :-) 13:06:08 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@203.Red-83-40-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 13:06:09 Bouahahaha! 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One does something like setting a value in hash table and another takes this value from it. The tricky part is that second macro can't do this because the part that sets this value are not yet evaluated. How can safely and properly make it be evaluated at compile time? 14:22:54 is not yet* 14:24:04 Here's the code, if that's important: https://github.com/HiTECNOLOGYs/Providing/blob/master/src/hooks.lisp. Line 111 and 146. 14:25:03 wws [~billstcla@p-74-209-21-80.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:05 varlog [brown@c-50-151-36-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:23 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27:37 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 14:27:50 hitecnologys: which macro is it? 14:27:53 it's a big file 14:28:21 well first of all you forgot :load-toplevel 14:28:26 loke: DEFHOOKABLE and DEFHOOK 14:28:43 secondly, the EVAL-WHEN should be _inside_ the macro 14:28:55 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:56 hitecnologys: seems very complicated; how is hookable stuff idea different from http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/9.0/doc/fwrappers-and-advice.htm ? 14:30:46 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:31:25 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:31:29 ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:31:29 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:05 hlavaty`: it supports changing order of execution (some day I'll implement more flexible one) and integration into plugin system. 14:32:32 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-74-209-21-80.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:32:44 loke: oh, it works. Thanks a lot. 14:33:22 -!- varlog [brown@c-50-151-36-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 14:33:25 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:33:45 hlavaty`: actually, the very first idea was to implement dependency mechanism for such "hooks". But then I decided to start with something simpler. 14:35:06 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.61.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:48 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-9.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:35:53 varlog [brown@c-50-151-36-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:12 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:36:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36:16 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:20 hlavaty`: I haven't read the whole article, though. Am I right about changing order? 14:38:17 hitecnologys: http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/9.0/doc/operators/excl/fwrap-order.htm 14:39:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:39:25 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:39:49 the order is simply in a list 14:40:20 hlavaty`: hm, I have different ordering mechanism, but besides that it does pretty the same. 14:40:58 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.217] has joined #lisp 14:41:16 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:40 Now it just have some defined points where "hooks" can be "attached", but I'm working on adding support for something like :before, :after. 14:42:35 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 14:43:14 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.217] has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:30 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.217] has joined #lisp 14:44:58 -!- kiuma 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well: defmacro/g! is a macro that recognizes g! symbols 17:32:42 and wraps the form in gensym 17:32:47 if g!abc is just a gensym then yeah, you want ,', instead of ,, 17:32:50 the2ndlaw [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:32:57 sorry, forgot to add explanation ... 17:33:04 it's from the LoL book ... 17:33:39 does this fix it? 17:33:48 -!- the2ndlaw [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 17:34:14 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:38 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 17:36:16 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:55 ok ... let me try that ... right, it does ... 17:38:05 -!- scmaccal [~scmaccal@169.244.99.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:52 scmaccal [~scmaccal@169.244.99.10] has joined #lisp 17:39:54 thanks, i guess i should thik through it again to see why i can capture the inner gensym with ,g!abc but not the 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a CL compiler 18:13:53 so i could code ~on the go~ 18:13:58 ha ha 18:14:45 first people got into cars..... then cars got into people 18:15:18 hahahahahah 18:16:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-22-51.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:04 There are 978 symbols in the COMMON-LISP package. Who here has them all memorized? 18:18:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:18:23 specbot, probably. 18:19:19 I probably can't even remember all the keywords in C89. 18:19:24 And there were only 32 of those. 18:20:11 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@2620:101:f000:9c00:224:7eff:feda:1209] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:20:20 So neuro augmentation is really necessary then. 18:20:41 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:21:46 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:24:01 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 18:24:02 -!- rainbyte16 [~rainbyte@190.191.129.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:25 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:24:52 -!- hlavaty` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:27:08 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:47 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:28:06 Overv [~Overv@5356AD35.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 18:28:26 -!- Overv [~Overv@5356AD35.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #lisp 18:29:52 -!- bitonic` [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:08 -!- ozzloy_ is now known as ozzloy 18:30:17 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [Changing host] 18:30:17 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 18:30:41 I'm counting on it. 18:31:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:31:49 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.23.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:15 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:33:32 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-182-131-40.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:41 spintronic: It's much easier to remember what all of them *do* than it is to memorize the list of them (since most names are mnemonic) 18:36:42 didi: (lisp-implementation-type) 18:36:55 didi: (truncate 10 3) 18:37:12 => 3 ; 1 18:37:23 didi: (make-pathname :name "HELLO" :type "TEXT" :case :common) 18:37:59 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:38:39 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:46 Tuxedo: I can tell you what any given keyword from c89 does, though I probably can't list them all 18:38:47 => memory fault; dumping 18:39:25 ASau [~user@p5797F03E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:40:48 I got about half of them just now. 18:41:11 jasom's tenth rule: any sufficiently experienced lisp developer has a buggy ill-specified implementation of half of common lisp in his/her brain 18:41:32 I'm kind of proud that I forgot "volatile", in particular. 18:41:47 Tuxedo: I do embedded development for a living, so no way I forget that one 18:42:19 I'd probably for get the dozen or so reserved for future use 18:42:22 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:33 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 18:42:39 jasom: where does the "tenth" come in? 18:42:43 I remember recently seeing a cute CL macro for lisp-1 style function invocation. Does anyone remember where it was? 18:43:05 (since "any" usually implies a larger fraction) 18:43:33 or I guess what are the other 9 18:43:51 JuanDaugherty: sellouts eighty-fourth rule: All made-up rules have a random sequence number included to increase credibility. 18:43:55 JuanDaugherty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule 18:44:16 k 18:45:17 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 18:46:25 I actually spent some time digging through the C standard, and you can make a strongly garbage collected C implementation that doesn't violate the C spec 18:46:42 -!- cruxeter1us is now known as cruxeternus 18:47:25 since any access to an object by a non-character type defines the type of an object. 18:47:52 so heterogenously using the results of a malloc is techincally undefined behavior 18:48:48 jasom, IIRC, the Symbolics implementation of C had free(3) as a no-op 18:48:58 but I may be misremembering 18:49:09 and implementations are not required to provide conversions between integers and pointers (but if they do, it must be reversible assuming the integer is large enough) 18:49:50 Luckily, all the C code ever written is very strictly adherent to the spec. 18:51:04 hm, maybe you haven't written anything substantial then? ;) 18:51:22 przl [~przlrkt@p5792247C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:52:00 Nor read anything substantial. 18:52:01 Tuxedo / jasom: Yeah, actually, I was working on a platform with a system-wide GC and other scoped memory stuff that would allow a conforming C implementation (EG, with bounds-checking), but not a lot of the abused tricks that work elsewhere. 18:52:41 Never did actually get to write a C complier for it, though :/ 18:55:14 Didn't someone do a full C implementation in CL? 18:55:21 in ZetaLisp 18:55:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55:28 p_l: no, more recently 18:55:53 hmm... I don't think so. Well, unless you consider something that runs some kind of bytecode etc. 18:56:32 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.217] has joined #lisp 18:56:40 I think there's an unfinished-but-running JVM done in CL, as well as working compiling JavaScript implementation (thus a target for C->JS->CL drug trip) 18:57:35 https://github.com/vsedach/Vacietis 18:57:40 jasom: beat me to it 18:57:46 -!- ludocode_ [~quassel@75-119-234-94.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:01 ludocode [~quassel@206-248-156-157.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:58:46 p_l: and it was inspired by zeta c 18:59:03 hmm 19:02:57 rainbyte16 [~rainbyte@190.191.129.32] has joined #lisp 19:03:30 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:04:44 knob9876 [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 19:05:56 tolk [~user@host175.190-138-194.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:06:26 -!- scmaccal [~scmaccal@169.244.99.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:07:50 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Currently, only supported implementation is SBCL. Is it possible for that binary to expose the --dynamic-space-size to its users? 21:11:15 -!- gyutyuglf [gyutyuglf@86.126.58.151] has left #lisp 21:13:29 bitonic` [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:17:01 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 21:19:15 -!- Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has quit [Quit: Yanez] 21:20:20 -!- arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 21:20:59 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:23:40 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:23:41 zophy [~sy@host-98-218-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:26 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:39 dim: I'm not in a position to answer. You might try #sbcl if you don't have any luck here. 21:25:26 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:25:26 mmm, will try at a better time tomorrow ;-) 21:25:29 ckoch786 [~cory@107-219-7-73.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:19 -!- jgjgjgkjg [~wde@78-129-38.adsl.cyta.gr] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:27:25 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:04 -!- JohnnyWho [~JohnnyWho@ppp-94-65-195-33.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:06 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:32:04 -!- shridhar is now known as shridhar_afk 21:33:57 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:34:40 -!- sdemarre [~serge@22.164-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:35:33 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:38 k0001_ [~k0001@host115.190-137-200.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:36:36 dim: f you don't specify :save-runtime-options then you don't need to do anything to expose --dynamic-space-size 21:37:17 let's try that then, I don't know (yet) what buildapp is doing here 21:37:33 dim: buildap uses :save-runtime-options 21:37:36 (COMMAND-LINE-ARGUMENTS::PROCESS-OPTION "dynamic-space-size" NIL NIL # NIL NIL) 21:37:49 and I'm managing the command line myself it seems 21:38:14 what would the the CL code to apply that option? 21:38:17 dim: the way it works by default is the runtime options are still parsed by sbcl if you don't use :save-runtime-options in s-l-a-d 21:38:34 dim: but your toplevel function has to parse all the toplevel options 21:38:36 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:38:48 if you do use :save-runtime-options in s-l-a-d then all options are treated as toplevel options 21:38:49 so you say that if I register the option it just happens? 21:39:04 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host2.190-229-208.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:39:04 dim: no, you need to not use buildapp, or modify it to not pas :save-runtime-options 21:39:22 -!- rrs [~rrs@76.191.32.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:39:22 ok then that's for later 21:39:34 anyway to change the value after the image is started? 21:40:23 I don't think so; I would imagine it would be something like (setf (sb-ext:dynamic-space-size) ...) if you could but I think that's an error 21:41:41 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41:51 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:42:17 -!- shridhar_afk is now known as shridhar 21:42:19 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:43:02 various annoyances like this are why I stopped using buildapp and just said "I don't care if quicklisp is in my memory image" 21:44:00 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 21:45:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:07 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 21:48:23 -!- Wukix` is now known as Wukix 21:49:03 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.148.193] has joined #lisp 21:49:28 I don't even know if quicklisp is in my memory image ;-) 21:50:06 -!- zophy [~sy@host-98-218-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:51:32 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:55 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:54:48 dim: they are in order they appear on the command line 21:54:50 Anyway, I replaced buildapp with a small shell-script that I'm happy with. 21:55:04 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-clitgjkkglzrfudn] has joined #lisp 21:55:07 Xach: that's what I found, I had a bug related to that 21:55:29 a bug in buildapp? 21:55:36 in my usage of it, sorry 21:55:50 ah 21:56:04 it was loading the quicklisp Postmodern rather than my locally hacked version (there's a bug I'm fixing there) 21:56:17 https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern/issues/39 for the curious ;-) 21:56:42 ah 21:56:45 Xach: would you be interested into buildapp exposing the --dynamic-space-size option in the produced binaries? 21:56:57 dsevilla [~user@175.Red-83-54-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:58 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:15 Xach: it's as simple as allowing an option to not pass :save-runtime-options to save-lisp-and-die 22:00:43 effy_ [~quassel@222.129.233.89] has joined #lisp 22:00:48 xk05 [~xk05@c-98-244-43-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:50 -!- effy [~quassel@222.129.233.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:00:54 mlamari [~quassel@72.183.103.226] has joined #lisp 22:01:39 *Fare* doesn't remember if UIOP handes :save-runtime-options or not 22:01:50 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:03 (it does) 22:02:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:02:35 Fare: does UIOP include utilities for building memory images? 22:02:43 yes 22:02:50 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 22:03:00 and ASDF includes a program-op to use them. 22:03:23 shiny 22:03:28 it also includes support for pre-dump hooks and post-restore hooks 22:03:41 works on plenty of implementations too 22:03:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:03:53 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:04:23 -!- mlamari_ [~quassel@72.183.103.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:04:24 hooks have to be manually run when you restart an image into a REPL as opposed to an application 22:04:27 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:07:09 Blkt [~Blkt@2a01:4f8:150:80a1::aaaa] has joined #lisp 22:07:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:08:37 Fare: Any better place to read up on it than image.lisp? 22:08:48 no :-/ 22:09:00 test/test-program.script 22:09:09 and its helper files 22:09:33 Fare: do you provide examples on how to use it and maybe a binary utility ala buildapp so that you can prepare an clean image that's not just a dump of your current development REPL? 22:09:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:09:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:10:48 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:12:22 test/hello-world-example.asd test/hello.lisp 22:12:30 cl-launch uses it 22:12:53 cl-launch could be rewritten to be more compatible with buildapp (except portable) 22:13:07 that would be good news I guess 22:13:15 just don't forget docs with examples 22:13:34 cl-launch has plenty of docs 22:13:38 *dim* is spending his evening on documenting pgloader 22:13:41 xcvb and exscribe are examples 22:13:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:14:01 I should probably mention exscribe and/or xcvb in the cl-launch docs 22:14:06 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:15:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:16:01 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-182-131-40.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:17:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:17:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:19:22 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:22 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:21:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:21:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:21:47 H4ns: we now have docs at http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=blob;f=pgloader.1.md;h=165935df2847a4b44a31be267136e1386237f67b;hb=HEAD --- so you can maybe get to the next step in the vandetta ;-) 22:22:06 nightfly [sage@destiny.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 22:23:17 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:23:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:24:21 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.86.118] has joined #lisp 22:24:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-9.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:25:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:27:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:27:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:27:52 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:29:32 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 22:30:08 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 22:30:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:30:54 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:31:05 zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.9] has joined #lisp 22:31:43 sapphire_388 [~quassel@global-1-8.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 22:32:05 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:05 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 22:32:11 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:32:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:33:04 -!- sapphire_388 [~quassel@global-1-8.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:23 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:34:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:35:52 -!- MoHaX [~luke@178.122.223.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36:06 -!- bitonic` [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:27 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:36:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:38:22 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:23 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:38:25 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.86.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:38 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:59 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Take my advice. 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23:13:08 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:13:29 Xach: you could have asked. 23:14:07 Fare: my mostly-complete sh written in lisp 23:14:23 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:23 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:15:13 Fare: I did it more to learn more about sh than to make anything useful 23:15:32 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 23:16:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:16:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:16:20 I realized that I knew less about sh than I did about many languages I use less often, so I wrote an sh implementation to learn more. It might also be useful for running lisp from a shell as it could do so without needing to load up a lisp 23:18:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:18:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:19:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:19:53 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:20:57 rrs [~rrs@146-115-82-89.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:24 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:24 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:21:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:23:24 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:23:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:23:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:25:22 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:25:23 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:27:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:27:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:28:38 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:29:17 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:29:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:30:32 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC4FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:17 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:31:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:32:12 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:33:18 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:33:19 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:34:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:34:53 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:35:30 -!- rrs [~rrs@146-115-82-89.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:35:52 austinja [~austinja@c-50-133-251-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:00 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-cdcee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:03 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host115.190-137-200.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36:21 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:22 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:37:04 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:37:17 Fare: Asked what? 23:37:25 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:37:26 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 23:38:02 jasom: I like exercises like that. 23:38:08 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:17 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:38:18 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:38:31 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.148.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:38:41 Writing To Learn 23:39:09 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.34.16] has joined #lisp 23:39:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:53 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:40:31 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:41:32 sellout-1 [~Adium@97-118-97-34.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:40 nug700_ [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:41:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:42:25 -!- nug700 [~nug700@209-181-103-104.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:43:04 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:43:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:43:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:44:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:05 Xach: about parts you didn't understand, so I would have made them more understandable 23:45:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:45:48 I don't understand why it's so complicated. 23:45:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:47:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:47:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:48:08 But that is all in the past, I have something that suits my needs much more closely today. 23:49:22 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:49:22 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:50:08 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:53 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:50:53 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:52:20 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:52:42 -!- harish_ [~harish@175.156.117.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:52:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:54:48 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:54:49 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:54:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:56:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:58:47 K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has joined #lisp 23:58:48 -!- K1rk [~Kirk@equinox.epecweb.com] has quit [Excess Flood]