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For a hobbiest $200 really sucks for something like this 02:57:43 nightfly: again, Qt 5.1 is running fine in Android. ECL is running on it, too. So you may create some bindings and have Android applications. Qt is even being ported for iOS (and ECL already is), so ECL + Qt seems... perfect 02:59:16 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-137-145-046.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01:13 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:06 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 03:05:41 Jaynes [~Haskell@c-24-147-79-120.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:42 p_nathan2 [~Adium@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:24 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has joined #lisp 03:07:24 Is there a way to remove a class's definition from a running Lisp instance? 03:07:46 Lispers, tell me if I am thinking about this the right way. 03:07:57 p_nathan2: (setf (find-class name) nil)? 03:08:28 Hum. That just is too easy. Thanks, Bike. 03:08:33 I want to parse an HTML file and just rip the full URLs and write them to plain text format for processing by wget 03:09:15 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:10:03 I'm using cl-html-parse library. my plan was to read in the html file into an array, parse that into the LHTML format 03:11:11 Jaynes: If you just want the urls, why not use a regexp? 03:12:06 not all that expert in regexp. plus I wanted to play around with the HTML libraries around. 03:12:19 I see. 03:14:20 Jaynes: I do similar thing with cl-html 03:14:32 so once I have the markup in (:tag (data)) format, I figure just using (remove-if-not :tag) repetitively would give me all of the links. 03:14:46 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 03:14:59 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 03:15:18 I use the sax API and get elements I wants as they stream in and I push them to list 03:16:07 I guess my stumbling block is: since a typical HTML file is not a proper Lisp sequence (no leading " at the start of the file), what function do you use to read it in? read-line? 03:16:49 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:19 do you just want to slurp the whole file into a string? 03:17:25 pretty much. 03:17:44 I thought read-sequence would work, but that requires a proper sequence 03:17:51 per the CLHS 03:18:09 yeah, because you're reading into the sequence. 03:18:13 alexandria has read-file-into-string. 03:18:20 http://common-lisp.net/project/closure/closure-html/examples.html 03:18:29 Look at last example with grabbing a tags 03:18:33 cool! I will take a look at it. 03:18:38 it's pretty much just read-sequence with a set buffer 03:18:40 common stuff. 03:18:41 I was positive this had been done before. 03:18:58 my lisp skills are very rusty 03:23:39 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:23:53 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 03:25:31 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:26:08 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:26:53 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:04 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 03:28:50 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:03 kyle_ [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:03 -!- kyle_ [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:32:30 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host222.181-1-206.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:36:02 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:39:31 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:17 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:42:20 desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 03:43:26 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Quit: jangle] 03:50:32 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-229-172.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:50:38 Good morning everyone. 03:58:06 -!- motiondude [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 03:59:14 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:59:26 axion_ [~axion@cpe-67-242-83-63.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:59:41 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:01 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:00:17 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:02:37 -!- zz_karupa64 is now known as karupa64 04:03:32 -!- karupa64 is now known as karupanerura 04:07:53 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:08:06 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:30 madprogrammer [~Felipe@177.8.180.11] has joined #lisp 04:10:44 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:41 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 04:12:31 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip68-99-254-231.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:43 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-83-63.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:01 k0001 [~k0001@host97.190-137-81.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 04:22:50 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.238] has joined #lisp 04:23:27 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:26:20 You want uiop:read-file-string or some such 04:26:32 Bike: still there? 04:26:39 hm? yes? 04:26:52 uiop is everywhere there's asdf 3. 04:26:58 try read-file-string 04:27:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:43 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:58 oh, that was for Jaynes 04:28:00 Jaynes? 04:28:07 04:31:19 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:32:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:32:56 alezost [~user@128-70-203-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:33:26 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:03 -!- PiRSquared [~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17] has quit [Quit: .] 04:35:05 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36:45 I'm here 04:37:51 -!- awygle [~Andrew@223.sub-70-192-11.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38:51 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:42:03 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:42:15 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:44:49 -!- smithzv [~user@duan145-236-dhcp.colorado.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:28 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 04:45:45 smithzv [~user@duan145-236-dhcp.colorado.edu] has joined #lisp 04:49:01 -!- ludocode [~quassel@184.175.18.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:32 tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has joined #lisp 04:49:40 ludocode [~quassel@75-119-241-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 04:50:11 I'd prefer to read the file in from scratch, to refresh my memory on how CL works. I am almost there using this http://pastebin.com/TmEGjXmh 04:50:38 I've defvared a global that I want to save the input to 04:51:04 Jaynes: why? it is better to just return the file 04:51:28 this is where my memory is failing me. 04:52:04 (with-open-file (s path) (loop for line = (read-line s nil nil) while line collect line)) 04:52:14 that should be it. 04:52:43 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:52:49 where is the data saved to so I can further process it? 04:52:52 (setf *html-input* (with-open file ...)) 04:52:56 it's the magic of expressions 04:53:02 with-open-file, rather 04:53:16 Bike: I think I understand nwo 04:53:17 now 04:53:39 but still -- the type is a list, not string. html-parse only works on strings 04:53:54 or streams, which I have not gotten to work yet 04:54:17 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 04:54:21 the docs on it are cryptic 04:54:55 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.153.163] has joined #lisp 04:54:59 http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/9.0/doc/phtml.htm 04:55:06 Jaynes: if you use html-parse, you can also use a library to read your files. 04:55:09 (loop for lines = (make-string 0) then (concatenate 'string lines line) for line = (read-line s nil nil) while line finally (return lines)), or something 04:55:19 ASau` [~user@p5797E8B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 04:55:22 but yeah, why reinvent the wheel 04:55:59 wow, that actually works, except for stripping line endings. 04:58:37 what am I missing here: from the link -- parse-html (file t) The t method assumes the argument is a pathname suitable for use with the with-open-file macro. 04:58:38 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:59:48 that's the method called if there's no method defined for any class more specific than t. 05:00:13 there are methods on stream and string, so, that would include pathnames. 05:01:48 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host97.190-137-81.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:28 maybe I'm reading this totally wrong. I'm calling it like this (parse-html "/path/to/file/here") -> /path/to/file/here 05:02:40 that's a string. 05:02:47 try #p"/path/to/file/here" 05:02:59 clhs pathname 05:02:59 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_pn.htm 05:03:07 clhs namestring 05:03:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_namest.htm 05:03:10 clhs pathname/t 05:03:10 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_pn.htm 05:03:17 D'oh! 05:03:36 i guess the disambiguated entry is kind of worthless. but hopefully you get it. 05:05:22 wish I logged in here hours ago. that worked 05:05:29 told you I forgot alot 05:05:38 many thanks 05:07:08 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 05:07:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.31] has joined #lisp 05:07:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.31] has quit [Changing host] 05:07:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:11:11 -!- xk05 [~xk05@c-98-244-43-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has 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lisp, and if so where can I find it? 07:53:54 http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/lispguide.xml 07:54:06 http://people.ace.ed.ac.uk/staff/medward2/class/moz/cm/doc/contrib/lispstyle.html 07:54:21 thank you 07:54:21 (these are just google search results) 07:55:14 baumy: if you are just looking for the code formatting rules, check here: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/syntax-and-semantics.html 07:55:24 yeah i found plenty of things as well, but im brand new to lisp and wasn't sure if there was a kind of accepted guide 07:55:37 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:55:52 that last link looks perfect 07:55:55 -!- p_nathan2 [~Adium@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:56:17 baumy: it's a good book to learn Common Lisp 07:56:48 im only allowed to use a pretty strictly defined subset of lisp 07:56:49 baumy: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ - the whole book 07:56:51 (for a class) 07:56:56 but ill definitely check it out 07:57:24 Also: norvig.com/luv-slides.ps 07:57:41 plathrop [~plathrop@pdpc/supporter/professional/plathrop] has joined #lisp 07:57:54 "Tutorial on Good Lisp Programming Style - Peter Norvig" 07:58:09 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:58:35 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has joined #lisp 07:59:43 -!- desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59:46 baumy: the link by beach is also recommended, if you are looking for "style" in more wide sense than just code formatting rules 08:00:07 a "style" of how to write good programs. Applies also to other languages, not only to lisp 08:00:59 tcr [~tcr@88.250.178.132] has joined #lisp 08:01:56 nostoi [~nostoi@182.Red-79-157-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:31 pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has joined #lisp 08:06:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:07:23 Wow, the Google styleguide is not bad at all. I wonder who wrote it. 08:07:48 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:07:52 Ah, Fare! 08:08:11 That explains it. 08:08:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-28-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:09:26 Fare: is that style guide from Google a result of Google buying ITA? 08:13:21 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:17:47 beach: from what I've just finished reading, yes 08:18:21 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:29 baumy: Did I miss that explicit reference? 08:18:55 it was on a different page 08:19:02 http://www.lispcast.com/google-common-lisp-style-guide 08:19:22 Thanks. 08:19:38 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:01 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:51 attila_lendvai 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Thanks again. 12:57:36 beach: i'm a fan of fine-grained conditions, i'd have (define-condition internal:arg-count-mismatch (program-error) (min max provided)) 13:00:22 arg-count-program-error in full-eval.lisp 13:01:00 and arg-count-error in package sb-eval, in parse-defmacro-errors.lisp already contain some stuff.... 13:01:03 for sbcl 13:01:23 ogamita` [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:01:32 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: hunchentoot 1.2.20, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e 13:03:21 Yea, that should go to some CDR. some inspiration: http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~ree/publications/papers2/PetrElioCSCSI03.pdf 13:04:22 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 13:04:38 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.8.221] has joined #lisp 13:04:56 H4ns: i knew doing a quicklisp release yesterday would prompt software updates 13:05:29 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:56 Xach: i must admit that i've not noticed the quicklisp update. sadly, i'm not doing cl at the moment. 13:06:01 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.59.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06:09 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:12 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:53 when will we see 1.3? 13:07:11 stassats: I agree with you. 13:07:32 stassats: when there are changes substantial enough to warrant a version number bump 13:07:51 stassats: there only have been very small incremental changes over the last years 13:08:06 but if you consider them all together? 13:08:29 stassats: maybe if i find a new maintainer, 1.3 would mark the beginning of that new era 13:12:43 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:37 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 13:14:46 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:14:53 H4ns: i haven't announced it yet 13:15:28 Xach: ah, ok. then: sorry for the bad timing :/ 13:16:05 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.8.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16:18 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:16:31 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB1995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:16:46 Xach: i'm making a drakma release as well right now. 13:17:02 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:17:51 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.5.27] has joined #lisp 13:17:51 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:58 more testing for the next quicklisp 13:18:10 (if only people used things outside of quicklisp) 13:18:39 maybe hotlisp or edgelisp, for bleeding edge versions 13:20:01 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:27 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: DRAKMA 1.3.5, Hunchentoot 1.2.20, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e 13:20:40 why is drakma capitalized and quicklisp not? 13:20:50 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.146] has joined #lisp 13:21:03 stassats: i'm not sure. edi's choice 13:21:35 quicklisp is capitalized, but since we use the standard readtable, you can write it in lowercase. Actually, it's QUICKLISP. 13:22:10 H4ns: http://weitz.de/drakma/ and http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/ are both capitalized in the title, but not in the body 13:22:26 stassats: hm, my memory failed me. 13:22:31 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Drakma 1.3.5, Hunchentoot 1.2.20, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e 13:23:29 and (drakma::user-agent-string :drakma) > "Drakma/1.3.4 ... 13:24:05 This kind of inconsistency is insupportable. 13:25:10 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:30 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Drakma 1.3.6, Hunchentoot 1.2.21, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e 13:29:33 stassats: there you are. 13:29:42 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 13:29:55 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 13:30:34 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.190] has joined #lisp 13:31:05 at least hunchentoot's version number is now a palindrome 13:31:15 \o/ 13:31:59 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 13:32:18 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.224.236.45.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:35:01 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: CL-INTERPOL 0.2.2, Drakma 1.3.6, Hunchentoot 1.2.21, SBCL 1.1.12, CMUCL 20e 13:35:20 stassats: i'm too lazy to fix CL-INTERPOL now, so it is officially CAPITALIZED 13:35:28 first release in five years! 13:35:43 wow 13:37:19 CL-PPCRE makes sense, since it's an abbreviation 13:37:20 sohail [~sohail@69-196-180-254.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 13:37:28 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-180-254.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:37:28 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:38:17 minion: what does INTERPOL stand for? 13:38:18 Interlineary Nephropathic Toxicosis Euphonize Resiniform Parietosphenoidal Osotriazole Lexigraphic 13:39:00 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:26 H4ns: http://www.interpol.int/ is capitalized, so you're probably fine 13:39:37 phew 13:39:45 Gruu [~Gruu@91.240.67.145] has joined #lisp 13:40:21 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.69.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:41:04 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 13:41:16 Quicklisp is also an acronym 13:41:42 i accidentally typed "quicklisp" instead of "hunchentoot" then 13:42:00 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@205.Red-83-35-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 13:42:38 k0001 [~k0001@host254.190-137-200.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 13:42:38 H4ns: i would be great if https://github.com/edicl/hunchentoot included the url to http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/ in the title 13:42:46 there's a website field when you edit the title 13:43:08 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:43:58 stassats: done 13:44:21 now repeat for everything else! 13:44:32 minion: what does QUICKLISP stand for? 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14:50:00 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:29 pgloader - PostgreSQL data loading tool 14:54:40 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:54:45 it also includes a full MySQL database migration tool 14:54:51 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 14:54:55 I see. 14:55:01 to or from or both? 14:55:32 dim: does "full" mean "including datatypes, indexes and constraints"? 14:55:41 it does 14:55:57 I implemented casting rules with a bunch of default ones that you can override 14:56:14 does it have a gui? 14:56:16 nice. i got to get rid of mysql. 14:56:35 e.g. cast type date drop not null drop default using zero-dates-to-null 14:56:58 the using clause allows you to name a function that has to be coded in lisp in the pgloader.transforms package 14:57:23 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:57:33 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:34 I'm still missing a --load option to load your custom code, but well, that won't be the most complex option 14:58:13 stassats: no gui yet, I might code a web controller with dynamic stats and views about what's happening, rows/sec widgets, things like that 14:58:30 http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=summary 14:58:41 if you ever want a gui, i can recommend commonqt 14:58:48 H4ns: basically I did a MySQL to PostgreSQL migration without the right tooling once too many 14:59:00 stassats: I played with d3js and I like it 14:59:20 I'm too bad at UI design to do something creative, so bootstrap and d3js are great for me 14:59:52 dim: i'll give it a try. not that i have high hopes with our codebase containing loads of mysql specific queries. 15:00:18 well it won't take care about that part of course 15:00:24 but it should get you started 15:01:27 note that I still have some surprises with MySQL data (0000-12-03 is a valid date over there, and 2012-02-00 too), and I still have to handle the right condition for my batch triaging stuff to kick in in that case and fill a rejected data file 15:01:32 that's next tho 15:02:00 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-109-36.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:02:34 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:50 ah yeah the error is about receiving a Z protocol message at the wrong time, I recall now 15:03:50 I think (error 'protocol-error ...) is the one I want to handle 15:10:28 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.110.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:25 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:35 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:13:45 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:14:13 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 15:14:18 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-109-36.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 15:14:42 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:04 -!- jochen` [~user@217.110.245.34] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:15:22 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 15:15:46 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:52 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:17:02 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:28 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 15:20:28 hi 15:20:32 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 15:20:35 is using something like this (defmacro ..(..) `(defun ..)) considered ugly? 15:20:37 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:21:02 no 15:21:07 nice :-) 15:24:35 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.93.248] has joined #lisp 15:24:35 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:13 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:30:37 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:33:31 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:45 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wzsuqyokovsbgkxe] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:35:00 -!- baumy [~baumy@unaffiliated/jbaumy93] has left #lisp 15:37:09 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 15:37:13 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:21 cyc0: you could even have something like: (defmacro define-something (name ..) `(progn (defstruct ..) (defvar ) (defun ..) (defun ..) (defun ..) ',name)) 15:38:22 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 15:38:38 so one single powerful define-something macro can generate a whole bunch of code. 15:39:41 cyc0: now of course, remember that macros are just functions like the other functions, so you can factorize and call functions to generate parts of the code, you don't need to put everything in a single defmacro form. 15:40:09 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rowismzexcouupiw] has joined #lisp 15:43:06 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:18 ogamita`: thnx, the defvar created by macro was my next question, i hesitated because defun and defvar goes global 15:44:29 but this is my choise i think.. 15:46:20 k0001 [~k0001@host254.190-137-200.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 15:46:23 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:44 -!- yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:12 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:15 josemanuel [~josemanue@205.Red-83-35-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:20 Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 15:49:36 cyc0: notice that we name this macro define-something (or defsomething) and we call it from the toplevel, so the forms in the expanded progn are still toplevel. 15:50:31 Another kind of macro would be (defmacro somethinglet (bindings &rest body) `(let  (labels  (macrolet  ,@body)))) to define local lexical things. 15:51:21 yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has joined #lisp 15:52:54 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB1995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Using Circe, the loveliest of all IRC clients] 15:55:31 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:56 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:59 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 15:59:59 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 16:00:59 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 16:01:09 ejbs [~user@5.254.141.91] has joined #lisp 16:02:20 tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has joined #lisp 16:02:25 fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:03:11 ogamita`, got it, i will start using global defines because i think it's more straightforward for my purpose and if i find the need i will change to locals 16:03:46 Sure, it all depends on the needs, two different tools. 16:04:08 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:01 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 16:05:05 ogamita`: it's a toy-project for getting better at cl anyways so i will taste then both for pros and cons 16:05:24 Hey guys, I've got a problem that I really don't know how to solve. If you could help me I'd be very grateful. http://paste.lisp.org/display/139302 16:06:08 I tried to describe the problem and what I want to achieve as clearly as possible. 16:06:27 bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:27 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:36 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 16:09:18 -!- tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:32 ejbs: works perfectly for me. 16:10:46 (gcc-compile "hi") dumps the binary of the compilation of hello. 16:10:47 c 16:11:16 Well, yes s/(unsigned-byte 8)/character/ since a string can only be of characters. 16:12:04 To write a conforming program you will have to read the output of gcc yourself, and fill it into a byte vector. 16:12:09 ie. no stream. 16:13:03 You may however use the commonly available extension of gray-streams (or a library using it such as flexi-stream) to pipe the output of gcc directly to a binary stream, that would fill a byte vector (but I'm not sure if that's already implemented in a library). 16:13:24 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:28 In any case, since you want binary bytes, don't use strings! 16:13:33 strings are only for characters in lisp. 16:13:49 Remember, there are no characters in C. char = int8 16:13:56 ejbs: what are you going to do with an elf binary in lisp? 16:14:32 A Q&D alternative would be to let gcc write a.out (or some other temporary file) and slurp it in. 16:14:48 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:10 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 16:15:28 (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:binary-file-contents "/tmp/a.out") --> #(127 69 76 70 2 1 1 0 ) 16:18:08 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.32.73.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:06 ehu [~ehu@109.32.73.15] has joined #lisp 16:22:07 -!- ogamita` 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[~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 18:05:42 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:06:56 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:08:03 Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 18:08:56 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:10:53 Clozure Common Lisp has (ccl:terminate-when-unreachable ) which, when called on an object, invokes the (ccl:terminate ) method on that object right before it is garbage collected. Is there a "TRIVIAL-FINALIZE" or "TRIVIAL-TERMINATE" or should I start working up a patch for "TRIVIAL-GARBAGE"? 18:11:18 nevermind... 18:11:38 already in TRIVIAL-GARBAGE, I just didn't see it... 18:14:08 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:29 patrickwonders: wouldn't it be better to do some (with- ) macro? the garbage may _never_ be collected ... 18:16:28 Indeed, I am planning a WITH-MACRO, but that only works for cases with limited extents. 18:16:47 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@host-92-16-149-182.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:10 noncopy [~user@178.233.218.108] has joined #lisp 18:19:43 In particular, I have resources that I want to wrap in a closure that I want to return or put in a SLOT 18:22:50 -!- refried_ [~refried_@lawn-143-215-115-124.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:24:14 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:24 kliph 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I'm doing Common Lisp consulting for a company out in Boston." 21:41:58 Recruiter: "Oh, I've never heard of them, what do they do?" 21:41:59 Me: "Common Lisp is a programming language." 21:42:01 Recruiter: "Oh, is it web-based or desktop-based?" 21:42:02 Me: "Uh, more desktop." 21:42:03 Recruiter: "Is it like Java or C#?" 21:42:04 Me: "Uh..." 21:42:09 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:42:24 lol 21:42:37 "yes" 21:42:40 s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-196-143.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:12 LiamH: indeed I answered "Uh. *pause* *pause* *pause* yes?" 21:43:58 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-12.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:44:07 patrickwonders: you missed an opportunity to launch buzzword fireworks :-) 21:44:24 *patrickwonders* lol 21:44:33 noncopy`` [~user@178.233.218.108] has joined #lisp 21:44:45 You: "It's a multi-paradigm language with advanced metaprogramming facilities" 21:44:50 like: "Me: It's like nothing you've ever heard before. It's... magic!" 21:44:51 Recruiter: "Oh, so it's like C++" 21:45:45 *prxq* realizes that that is not a buzzword firework 21:46:20 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:46:29 I actually thought about going the other direction and saying: "Lisp's been around for 50 years, man." 21:46:46 It's pre-desktop and definitely pre-web. 21:46:51 recruiter notes technology skills are out of date 21:46:55 -!- noncopy` [~user@178.233.218.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:46:58 *patrickwonders* nods 21:47:10 haha "is it web-based or desktop-based" "More minicomputer based I'd say" 21:47:13 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 21:47:17 PDP-10 based 21:47:40 Runs great on 12-bit processors. 21:48:04 on 36-bit, rather 21:50:05 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:31 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:59:24 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:00:35 l_ [~l_bbgky@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 22:00:36 with mmu 22:00:58 high and low moby used to be enough :P 22:01:10 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:05 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E8B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:07:09 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:09:02 -!- reb` [user@nat/google/x-mndssexmpnzejtev] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:45 ASau [~user@p5797E8B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:09:50 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-vnnzxwtjrzvjsvoi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:29 -!- l_ [~l_bbgky@84.233.246.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:41 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:36 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae 22:15:46 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:07 50 years? It's pre-technology. 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Eg. (funcall (compose #'a #'b)) vs (a (b))? 23:43:28 never 23:44:59 -!- spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:45:51 usually you use it for passing a function around, seeing as how your first form there is daft. 23:45:58 after much difficulty, i managed to encode vpgatherdq in SBCL, to try to use it for print ips 23:46:20 and doesn't seem well suited to it, since it takes 32-bit indicees, while ips cut in half are 16-bit 23:46:30 -!- mikeit [~mikeit@net-93-65-145-68.cust.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:00 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZ] 23:47:29 so it would require some transformations first 23:48:03 but loading two elements from a lookup table at once is fun anyhow 23:48:30 spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:03 -!- spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:49:39 spintronic [jovan@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:11 Bike: Ya, it was trivial useless just to show what I was talking about. I saw it in Alexandria so must be commonly use, was just wondering under what circumstances. 23:50:14 Can someone show me a good use case that is better over say normal funcall on passed in function arg and such? Thanks in advance. 23:50:40 i don't use it for anything 23:51:39 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 23:51:58 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 23:53:00 stassats: Ya, I can't think of anything. I guess I will know it when a situation comes up. Thanks. 23:53:10 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:40 (find x list :key (compose a b)) 23:54:00 instead of (lambda (x) (a (b x))) 23:54:07 and i prefer to use lambda 23:56:42 stassats: Ya me too 23:56:52 *nightshade427* nods