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Just the time of day. 03:14:11 -!- seangrov` [~user@24.130.32.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14:38 ah, ok. 03:17:15 hi 03:17:40 Ryan_Burnside [~user@63-153-70-207.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:10 If anyone has a moment, perhaps they can take a look here: http://pastebin.com/aR2fP2Hp 03:20:24 The newline isn't inserting a newline character... 03:21:33 strings don't work like that, no. 03:21:47 Hmmm, what should I have done? 03:21:57 you can do (format nil "string...~c" #\Newline) for one 03:22:06 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-227-98.bla801.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:22:34 Well, with format, you can use ~% or ~&, or you can just put a literal newline in your string, without format. 03:23:42 Ah! it works now. Thank you. 03:24:10 Tk is kind of cool. Wish the canvas had pixel level access though. 03:25:58 Is it wrong that I enjoy an ugly old looking interface? Maybe I'm just impulsivly counter culture. 03:29:49 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-229-172.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:29:53 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 03:30:04 Good morning everyone. 03:30:21 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:13 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:31:35 Hello. 03:32:15 sohail [~sohail@69-196-180-254.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:32:22 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-180-254.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:32:22 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 03:35:05 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:36:13 Ryan_Burnside: If you put a Tk "photo" object onto the canvas then the "photo" can be manipulated pixel-by-pixel 03:37:05 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:38:06 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:39:08 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:06 *jaimef* hunts for something short of running sbcl as root to get pcap perms on linux 03:47:41 -!- so2299 [~ubuntu@ec2-54-202-9-58.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 03:49:12 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:51:04 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has joined #lisp 03:57:28 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@adsl-99-108-111-228.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57:54 quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-227-98.bla801.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:58:22 -!- marioxcc_ [~user@189.251.101.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:42 edgar-rft, I'll look into it. 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It's actually easy to use the release binaries, without installing them, to compile your own SBCL 05:08:46 maybe its just me, but i find it funny that i need sbcl to compile sbcl. i will get used to it :) 05:08:58 theos: no, I think you just haven't compiled many compilers ;) 05:09:06 Drat, using the FORMAT function how can I ensure that I get a hex value of a parameter 2 digits long padded with a 0? "~2,0X" doesn't seem to work... 05:09:18 at least not ones that aren't actually written in another language (so not self-hosting) 05:09:19 Ryan_Burnside: ~2,'0x probably 05:09:23 p_l nop :) 05:09:26 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@dancol.org] has left #lisp 05:09:50 it's the same as any other source, theos, it needs to be compiled. that's the long and short 05:09:58 theos: bootstrapping an environment is ... funny exercise 05:10:11 i have compiled sbcl a lot of times before. and everytime i find it funny 05:10:15 in the elder days, it sometimes involved writing machine code by hand (not assembler, machine code) 05:10:46 p_l i can imagine :) 05:10:49 Thanks Bike, the quote in the string I never would have guessed. Odd syntax on FORMAT... 05:11:50 yes indeed 05:11:59 you could do like knuth and run the compiler on paper, theos 05:12:18 heh, i will go with the binary 05:12:51 i am not so pro yet :) 05:12:53 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:41 Goodnight, thanks for the help. 05:13:46 -!- Ryan_Burnside [~user@63-153-70-207.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:16:26 installation was quick :) 05:17:15 theos: You could also use your distribution's SBCL to compile the new SBCL. 05:17:41 didi i used the binary 05:17:56 theos: That's fine too. 05:18:49 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 05:20:15 quotemstr [~quotemstr@dancol.org] has joined #lisp 05:20:33 Is there a simple, idiomatic way to write a post-increment incf that doesn't evaluate its place argument more than once? 05:24:42 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:42 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:28:19 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 05:29:01 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30:42 (let ((foo form)) (prog1 foo (incf foo))) 05:32:36 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 05:34:21 hellows 05:34:51 Bike: that won't work though 05:35:47 quotemstr: a better answer is that it's not as easy as you might think, because there are two operations here: The fetching of the _previous_ result, and the incrementof the value 05:35:48 quotemstr: how about (1- (incf place)) ? 05:35:48 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 05:36:12 or, more general, (let ((delta ...)) (- (incf place delta) delta)) 05:36:25 flip214: That's the best you can do, unless you want to mess with GET-SETF-EXPANSION 05:37:25 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-227-98.bla801.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:46 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:42:58 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:43:25 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46:06 theos: I am curious as to why you find the bootstrapping "funny". Can you elaborate? 05:53:17 antuirno [~antuirno@187.18.174.88] has joined #lisp 05:53:22 beach no offense 05:53:48 It is not a trick question. I am seriously interested. 05:54:03 And I am certainly not offended. 05:54:28 beach i find it funny that you need sbcl to install sbcl.. because if i had sbcl why would i install sbcl... 05:54:54 Well, you just need a Common Lisp system. It doesn't have to be SBCL. 05:55:00 theos: mabye a new version of SBCL 05:55:09 theos: Think of GCC. 05:55:39 yes i understand it. and i have compiled sbcl a lot of times before. but i still find it funny :) 05:55:48 OK. 05:56:11 theos: Is it less funny to need only another CL system rather than SBCL? 05:56:12 theos: you don' tneed SBCL 05:56:13 I' 05:56:22 I've bootstrapped with ABCL on several occasions 05:56:26 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-237-55.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:56:41 theos: it is VERY simple and i donot find any funny in it. 05:56:45 clisp works too i think 05:57:02 How much the bootstrap system influence the resulted SBCL? 05:57:13 any compiler can do such a basic thing 05:57:17 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 05:57:48 Mathieu_ [~cicak@203.127.16.194] has joined #lisp 05:58:34 i used to use clisp some time ago. then i moved to sbcl 05:59:15 -!- Mathieu_ is now known as Mathieu 06:01:41 -!- antuirno [~antuirno@187.18.174.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:02:13 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.201.202] has left #lisp 06:03:11 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:03:14 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:889:6904:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07:26 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:07:41 tali713 [~tali713@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:47 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:10:51 theos: Isn't odd that GNU has like 4+ Lisp implementations (at least 2 CL and at least 2 Scheme)? :^P 06:11:09 :) 06:11:27 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-174-79-188-132.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:04 OK, speaking of the post-increment operator 06:12:12 Here's my suggested solution: 06:12:39 *youlysses* is actually really excited that Guile is gaining some traction in this space though. Pseudolisp-machine, here we come! (Well, in like 5-10 years, but still...) :^) 06:12:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139275 06:14:26 (let ((x 10)) (list (postinc x) x))  (10 11) 06:16:39 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jwigyfuxgxmdijpk] has joined #lisp 06:21:13 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has joined #lisp 06:30:10 harovali1 [~harovali@r186-52-111-232.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 06:30:51 -!- harovali [~harovali@r186-52-100-5.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:32:37 ggole [~ggole@106-68-118-103.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:32:47 loke: honestly, isn't decrementing the incf-result much easier than that? 06:33:16 flip214: It is, but there are cases where that it not going tow ork 06:33:19 and if you know your value range fits in a fixnum, IIRC the atomic operations have fetch-and-add too. 06:33:49 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:56 flip214: That's the point., The value may even be a floating point value exactly at the limit of what you can represent without losing presciion 06:34:14 That's why I said you needed to use GET-SETF-EXPANSION if you want to be truly correct 06:34:35 Yeah, I'll probably end up using GET-SETF-EXPANSION (or, actually, its elisp equivalent) instead. 06:34:38 Thanks. 06:35:40 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 06:36:10 What is the elisp version? 06:38:09 prxq [~mommer@x2f69af6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 06:41:00 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f69af6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:41:57 drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-174-79-188-132.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:04 prxq [~mommer@x2f69af6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 06:43:42 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:45:58 get-setf-method, I think 06:46:07 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-174-79-188-132.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:46:59 ggole: That's in cl --- the core 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known problem? should I revert to using asdf-driver as the name? 14:37:00 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 14:37:54 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:58 dim: What command-line did you use? 14:40:08 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:40:15 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:40:27 ./buildapp --load-system asdf-driver --load-system pgloader --entry pgloader:main --load pgloader/main.lisp --output pgloader.exe 14:40:43 I tried first without explicitely loading asdf-driver 14:41:14 if I use asdf-driver in my pgloader.asd file then buildapp failed with missing dependency on cl-log 14:41:47 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-tjsqrtbwfkujygpo] has joined #lisp 14:42:17 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:44:06 *dim* is trying the path and tree options 14:44:55 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.103.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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Anywhere.] 15:14:40 Xach: Fatal COMPILE-FILE-ERROR: COMPILE-FILE-ERROR while compiling # is the error message, then again I can't make head or tail of the log file 15:16:02 (compile-file "/Users/dim/dev/CL/pgloader/pgsql.lisp" :output-file "/tmp/pgsql.fasl" :verbose t) 15:16:11 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:12 that command succeeds without any warning or error 15:16:31 could it be a compile time dependency problem? 15:17:07 dim: paste the log perhaps. 15:17:20 -!- copiga2 [~user@212.183.128.141] has quit [Quit: end of lesson] 15:17:22 not here of course, but to paste.lisp.org 15:17:25 trying something then doing that, thanks a lot 15:17:52 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:18:03 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:18:19 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:18:41 Paste too large. 15:19:08 building everything from scratch every time in quicklisp is taking around 8 hours. 15:19:18 it is putting a crimp in my plans. 15:21:08 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:21:32 just buy a real computer 15:21:38 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139281 15:22:24 dim: that's useless 15:22:34 dim: maybe you could find someplace to upload the whole thing 15:22:35 I know, that's what I've been saying 15:22:44 I just can't find the place where it's not useless (for me) 15:22:47 Xach: sure. 15:23:18 http://pgsql.tapoueh.org/temp/build.log 15:23:25 This is like showing a hair from a sick animal to a vet and saying "I couldn't find out what was wrong with him, maybe you can from this hair" 15:23:28 Thanks! 15:23:55 There it is, plain as day. Search for "ERROR:" 15:24:01 and now I see it 15:24:05 my emacs C-s is broken 15:24:14 not even lying, I wish I understood how 15:24:24 realizing it a tad too late 15:24:47 ok M-s o is working at least 15:25:15 Xach: a hair could provide more information than that paste 15:25:39 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:44 now, if you read cl-postgres/package.lisp postgresql-notification is defined and exported 15:27:47 how do I figure out where postmodern has been loaded from? 15:27:55 I have a copy in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 15:28:18 dim: It will load from the shortest path in your tree. 15:28:24 for --asdf-tree directives. 15:28:31 it's not logged, though 15:28:37 so if you have a/postmodern.asd and abc/postmodern.asd, it will load the former. 15:28:53 Yes, that would be good info to make explicit. 15:29:01 I believe it's documented but not logged 15:29:29 would the manifest quicklisp file trick help buildapp load the same as ql:where-is-system finds? 15:29:30 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:33 Xach: what about a/b.asd vs b/b.asd? 15:29:50 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:10 dim: if you edited the manifest by hand, maybe. 15:30:17 I didn't 15:30:35 Did you use a manifest file? 15:30:38 nope 15:30:42 stassats: I don't remember. It might be alphabetical. 15:30:54 dim: then it is unsurprising that editing the manifest by hand did not happen. 15:31:10 exactly, I still don't know what a manifest file is ;-) 15:31:19 dim: If you have --asdf-tree ~/quicklisp/dists/ and --asdf-tree ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ then the first one will take precedence 15:31:26 you could reverse the order if that was more appropriate 15:31:59 That is, the command-line order of the system-finding directives matter. Earlier ones always take precedence. Within a single directive, shorter paths take precedence. 15:32:00 trying something like that then 15:32:09 --asdf-path ~/quicklisp/local-projects/Postmodern/ --asdf-tree ~/quicklisp/dists 15:32:13 next error! 15:32:17 progress 15:32:22 maybe 15:32:31 well now it's unable to compile the next file 15:32:42 *Xach* looks forward to the new build.log 15:33:47 ; Symbol "PATHNAME-ABSOLUTE-P" not found in the CL-FAD package. 15:34:03 now that I know to use M-s o rather than C-s and C-r, it's better 15:34:16 I could maybe restart Emacs too, but... 15:35:02 this time I'm using the ql dist of cl-fad 15:36:55 It's in my version of CL-FAD. 15:37:45 ok apparently was ommited in the dependency list 15:38:12 why can't build automatically determine dependencies? 15:38:18 buildapp 15:38:52 still the same error 15:39:08 stassats: I'm ok with it using my asd file for that 15:41:05 ok uploaded the current http://pgsql.tapoueh.org/temp/build.log 15:41:12 I can't see what's the problem here 15:41:41 bad content type! 15:42:09 or firefox is just stupid 15:42:42 I just pushed my latest edits for cl-buildapp found bugs on the main repository if you want to try it at home with the whole code, btw 15:42:53 http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=summary 15:43:30 well, there's no double take on that error 15:43:44 I just don't understand why C-c C-l in emacs/slime, compile-file at the repl, ql:quickload all can process the file, but not buildapp 15:43:46 it clearly says PATHNAME-ABSOLUTE-P is not in cl-fad 15:43:48 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 15:43:59 stassats: well, it so happens that it is, actually 15:44:18 in the cl-fad that you're loading 15:44:18 I'm glad to learn that I'm wrong but only when I understand why 15:44:57 I don't think I have more than one 15:45:46 oh, of course 15:45:49 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:45:59 cl-fad-0.6.4 cl-fad-0.7.0 cl-fad-0.7.1 cl-fad-0.7.2 15:46:27 Xach: which one is loaded in that case? how do I ask quicklisp to only keep the most recent one if that might help? 15:50:05 smithzv [~user@duan145-236-dhcp.colorado.edu] has joined #lisp 15:51:50 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:11 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:52:55 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:57:30 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:32 when trying with a manifest file, yet another error 15:58:09 Fatal SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR: Class not yet defined: SSL-ERROR 15:58:26 why are hard things so simple and simple things so hard with CL?! 15:58:35 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 15:59:06 delete the fasls 15:59:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:59 josemanuel [~josemanue@243.Red-83-43-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:04 I usually do rm -rf ~/.cache/common-lisp/, is that what you have in mind? 16:00:17 whatever removes the fasls 16:00:24 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-129-171.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:25 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has joined #lisp 16:00:42 well I don't know if buildapp generates some elsewhere 16:00:50 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01:12 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:01:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:34 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01:58 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:02:12 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has joined #lisp 16:02:37 seems to have done the trick 16:03:13 this one is quite annoying 16:03:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:38 and of course the only thing the new binary does is entering the debugger without any context in the error message 16:03:53 The value NIL is not of type (OR (VECTOR CHARACTER) (VECTOR NIL) BASE-STRING PATHNAME STREAM). 16:03:55 thank you. 16:04:03 (typep x 'forward-referenced) is not optimized, but if it happens to be defined at ct, it's optimized, but fails at load-time 16:04:04 I mean thank you SBCL here (I think) 16:04:59 which is a way of saying "pathname designator" 16:07:06 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07:46 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09:23 FIND-CLASSOID-CELL should be probably called with :create t during fasl loading 16:12:22 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:13:23 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-138-107.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:34 the comment even says ";;; We use an indirection to allow forward referencing of class ;;; definitions with load-time resolution." and than slaps :errop t, good job 16:14:37 when presented the restart choices on the console, can I get to the stack trace? 16:14:45 back 16:14:56 thanks 16:14:57 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:02 that feels like dgb now 16:15:05 gdb even 16:15:13 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 16:15:24 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 16:15:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:54 ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 16:17:08 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.224.236.45.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:17:10 and i got the SSL-ERROR you had fixed 16:18:08 but i need to get off the couch to commit it 16:18:47 now I'm trying to understand why the main function is buggy and my current bet is that SB-EXT:*POSIX-ARGV* is not what command-line-arguments expects 16:20:07 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21:12 (rest argv) is what I needed, ok 16:22:08 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] 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a memory error 16:36:49 stassats: wow, thanks a lot 16:37:05 Heap exhausted during garbage collection: 32 bytes available, 48 requested 16:37:25 so, can I easily pass arguments to the SBCL kernel when using my own application? 16:37:30 environment vars maybe? 16:37:32 you can save them 16:37:57 :save-runtime-options 16:38:15 from buildapp? 16:38:19 -!- paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:38:27 from save-lisp-and-die 16:39:50 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:37 yeah there's --dynamic-space-size, I gave it 2GB 16:40:59 JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:42:18 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:42:37 also tried to compress core, 99MB down to 19MB 16:42:50 -!- Mathieu [~cicak@42.61.250.9] has quit [] 16:43:52 Heap exhausted during garbage collection: 16 bytes available, 48 requested. 16:43:59 can I do something in the code to manage that better? 16:44:10 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 243 seconds] 16:44:11 apart from rewriting into a less-consing version I mean 16:44:39 -!- fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:44:51 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7ECD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:45:13 you can't 16:45:18 cons more, but retain less 16:45:34 rewrite the gc which is able to extend the heap 16:46:04 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 16:46:26 rewrite the gc, I'll pass 16:46:30 retain less, how do I do that? 16:47:22 don't have many objects live at once 16:47:54 are you constructing everything in memory before sending it to pg? 16:48:04 it looks like cl-mysql migh be keeping the whole query result in memory for each query, and I'm fetching whole table contents at a time 16:48:17 and I am constructing things in memory yeah 16:48:42 do you have to? 16:48:56 I'm running it with 4GB of "heap" (I guess the dynamic space size goes all into the heap, maybe not) this time and it seems to be able to keep along 16:49:22 cl-mysql is using some FFI and loading the mysql dev lib 16:49:40 maybe I should try and find a pure-CL protocol implementation, ala Postmodern 16:49:47 now the VM crashed 16:50:16 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.153.163] has joined #lisp 16:50:46 paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 16:52:57 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:23 phf [~phf@75.150.171.217] has joined #lisp 16:54:48 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:20 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:55:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55:23 but how hard extending the heap could be? 16:55:39 just need to update all the book keeping 16:55:39 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MySQL and COPY the data into PostgreSQL 16:58:57 dim: I was thinking of the postgresql-socket backend of clsql 16:59:10 oh I'm not using that 16:59:39 dim: so, you need to stream your data 16:59:47 dim: I read cl-mysql and was thinking clsql... sorry 16:59:57 not load it all, otherwise no amount of gc and memory would help with large DBs 17:00:26 well I remember paying attention to that and using what looked like the right cl-mysql API to do that 17:00:50 knob9876 [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 17:01:04 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:01:09 urandom__ [~user@p548A3D60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:02:21 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:25 ahah, seems I was creating a new hash table per row too, I should try to have sponsored time to work on that project when I have brains left 17:02:28 with-row? 17:02:36 and so I'm using (cl-mysql:next-row q :type-map type-map) 17:02:41 with an empty type-map here 17:03:04 (as I don't care about mysql data types, I'm sending text to postgresql) 17:03:17 (well I do care a lot about the types, not at this point) 17:03:31 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:35 anyways dinner time here, thanks much for your help guys, see you 17:03:58 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:13 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 17:04:51 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 17:04:55 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:06 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:34 -!- knob9876 [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:08:11 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:48 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09:08 attila_lendvai 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push the upcoming 3.0.3 release to Debian 19:29:05 opengenera and mcl can't be fixed, my plan is foiled 19:29:18 nor corman or gcl 19:29:23 or xcl 19:30:51 Fare: Nice, thank you. 19:31:03 gcl seems to have some activity 19:31:09 strange as it may sound 19:31:21 -!- enarixoi [~d@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 19:32:10 -!- par [~owls@unaffiliated/lordlicorice] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32:27 the latest commit is "define OBJNULL for hurd" 19:32:34 imagine running gcl on hurd 19:32:42 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.36] has joined #lisp 19:32:50 if one obsolete incomplete system wasn't enough 19:33:47 some people have managed to compile gcl recently. I'm not one of them. You need some old version of gmp, etc. 19:35:15 seems quite active: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gcl.git/log/?h=Version_2_6_10pre 19:35:31 i guess at that rate it can overtake clisp in quality 19:35:38 Guest32161 [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 19:35:45 until that one person runs out of steam 19:37:11 -!- ggole [~ggole@58-7-122-127.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:37:34 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:38:56 -!- Guest32161 [~l@84.233.246.170] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:38:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:16 Now, IIUC, to take advantage of the new ASDF, I'll have to install cl-asdf, until SBCL pushes a new version hopefully with the new ASDF built-in, right? 19:39:57 stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has joined #lisp 19:44:01 tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has joined #lisp 19:44:11 -!- stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44:39 how new is new? 19:45:04 jaccarmac [~jaccarmac@yosemite.yosemite.edu] has joined #lisp 19:45:57 stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has joined #lisp 19:46:35 3.0.2 is quite new 19:46:45 3.0.3 is too new for my liking 19:48:01 stassats: New as in "newest new", I guess. 19:48:08 -!- jaccarmac [~jaccarmac@yosemite.yosemite.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:48:16 there's no 3.0.3, is there? 19:48:34 didi: "newest" as in "buggiest"? 19:49:15 stassats: I don't know about "buggiest", but there is a bug with the last one that I hope to see fixed in the next one. 19:49:28 there's no 3.0.3 yet 19:49:41 and it's only bugfixes since 3.0.2 19:49:51 including the bug that didi experienced in debian 19:51:01 run-program doesn't seem like a bug-fix only 19:52:23 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@243.Red-83-43-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:54:08 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-35-240-163.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:27 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-111-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:55:07 you can call it an additional feature, but it's restricted to the run-program facility 19:55:56 the general bug being no support for input or error-output redirection, and failing corner cases on many implementations (notably clisp, ecl, lispworks, maybe abcl) 19:56:13 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 19:56:35 also the code was an unmaintanable knot of labels — it's exploded in many functions and much more maintainable 19:56:54 plus it has a portable abstraction of the lower-level %run-program 19:56:59 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:10 stassats: did you see any other API than cl-mysql:next-row for avoiding to load the whole resultset into memory? (I mean, by any chance) 19:57:32 dim: for mysql, have you seen cqmynd ? 19:57:36 qmynd 19:57:56 https://code.google.com/a/google.com/p/qmynd/ 19:58:01 I didn't, is it an FFI thing or using the protocol? 19:58:11 directly talking the protocol 19:58:14 ah nice 19:58:20 is it able to do streaming? 19:58:45 why do I need to login to google to see that url? 19:59:17 dim: Ugly. 19:59:50 Your client does not have permission to get URL /a/google.com/p/qmynd/ from this server. Thats all we know. 20:00:18 :-( 20:00:43 is it Open Source? 20:00:51 oh damn, it's not public yet 20:01:06 that might explain why I didn't see it then ;-) 20:02:21 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:02:22 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:02:35 -!- Code_Man [~Adolf-Cha@185-206.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:51 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 20:03:11 oh, it appears that we killed the 3rd VM today 20:03:39 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:04:36 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:54 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:08:48 -!- stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:55 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:07 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.94] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 20:12:59 dim: with-row[s]? 20:13:36 what's the canonical test system, if any, these days? 5am? 20:14:01 stassats: that's a macro that will loop over next-row, which is the one I'm using 20:14:03 stefil? 20:14:24 I'm using 5am in some projects, I tend to like it 20:14:30 that's the only one I used tho 20:14:36 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-203-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:14:48 so beware that's a useless statement;-) 20:15:53 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:16:01 i'd settle for whichever has M-. working on test names 20:16:21 stefil has tests being functions, so M-. works. 20:16:27 I dunno about 5am 20:17:18 a couple of test suites enraged me when i couldn't find a way to the failed tests 20:17:31 "grep like it's '99" 20:18:07 -!- tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:21:47 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-57-251.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:23:33 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:29:59 danlentz0 [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:30 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-28-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:44 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:29 par [~owls@unaffiliated/lordlicorice] has joined #lisp 20:34:39 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:39 Fare: use fiveam 20:38:38 -!- Aramur [~arare@159.Red-83-61-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 20:38:47 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:41 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:42:09 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-229-172.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:42:28 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:29 -!- ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:56 ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 20:45:09 -!- phf [~phf@75.150.171.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:11 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:46:08 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:46:59 j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:04 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 20:47:26 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:49:28 -!- octet8 [~klogd_@61.183.235.149] has quit [] 20:51:36 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.94] has joined #lisp 20:55:13 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:36 Aramur [~arare@90.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:04 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:18 stassats: I published the optimisation article, thanks again ;-) 21:03:37 dim, what article? 21:05:19 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:05:45 dim: have you tried the sap-ref version? how much faster is it? 21:05:51 dim: a mobile version would be nice 21:05:58 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:05 yeah but I'm not a web developer, I need to learn how to do that 21:06:11 it's kind of on the TODO though 21:06:20 stassats: I didn't, sorry about that 21:06:34 it's costing the whole of 620ms in a 1min process 21:06:39 I didn't try making it faster 21:06:55 just for kicks 21:08:05 it's 3 times faster here, not enough, time to whip out VOPs and add some AVX instructions 21:08:19 DeusExMachina [~Instantbi@178-191-96-222.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 21:09:40 something like gather to do two lookups a time 21:10:29 Hi 21:10:45 is there a common lisp programmer that can help me? 21:10:54 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f69af6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:18 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:30 DeusExMachina: just ask. Don't ask if you can ask. 21:11:46 do you need to be delivered from an unresolvable situation? 21:12:46 stassats: sounds like a job for secret alien lisp code :) 21:12:52 stassats: what's the function to code directly in lisp-ASM? 21:13:13 -!- logand [~user@g229095061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:16 dim: define-vop, but it's a macro 21:13:23 the thing that CCL outputs when calling disassemble 21:13:48 you'd need also to define the AVX instruction with define-instruction first 21:14:09 defx86lapfunction or something i think 21:14:57 Hie6 [~other@94.25.228.57] has joined #lisp 21:15:04 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:15:08 there was something else in CCL IIRC 21:15:22 ccl::lap-inline, I think, but I haven't used it in many many years 21:15:23 LAP or something? 21:15:29 lap, yes 21:15:40 but it seems like now the whole thing is dominated by make-string 21:15:47 yeah, so that you can write ASM in pseudo lisp forms (easier to generate from lisp code I guess) 21:16:17 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:31 well I did have some hope of diplaced arrays being gone after compile so that we could address directly the right portions of the array to replace, but you told me that would be slow 21:17:20 try looking up the source of + or whatever that's defined in lap 21:17:22 -!- DeusExMachina [~Instantbi@178-191-96-222.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com] 21:17:33 -!- danlentz0 [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Dan Lentz ... Out.] 21:17:55 Heh. I scared him away. He PM'd me, and I told him to ask here. 21:18:10 billstclair: same with me 21:18:17 stassats: you seems to know really a lot, and it seems you have enormous amounts of free time(deduced from seeing you here helping like every person) 21:18:31 the table can probably be packed as 8-bytes for the string, 8 bytes for length, and then using a single gather instruction 21:18:36 stassats: how did you became such a great man? 21:18:38 Hie6: i'm pipelined 21:19:42 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 21:19:44 stassats: does someone paying you for nonstop help for #lisp people? 21:19:59 Hie6: #lisp is for discussing Common Lisp, not the people of #lisp. 21:20:03 it's not non-stop and simple question don't take much time 21:20:07 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:09 s 21:20:38 Xach: i'm just admiring stassats thats all, really impressed by that person 21:20:51 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:21:08 There are pauses in coding which require subconscious work, and also incredible boring tasks that need breaks. Good time to hit IRC. 21:21:35 sgron [~user@167.220.24.87] has joined #lisp 21:22:02 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Client Quit] 21:22:06 -!- Hie6 [~other@94.25.228.57] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:22:37 sohail [~sohail@184.151.190.33] has joined #lisp 21:22:37 -!- sohail [~sohail@184.151.190.33] has quit [Changing host] 21:22:37 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:23:01 *stassats* thinks about doing something bad to fence off all the fans 21:23:09 where's a newbie to devour? 21:24:01 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:24:42 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25:06 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:38 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 21:26:18 __main__ [~main@50.240.210.73] has joined #lisp 21:27:25 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 21:28:53 feorex_ [~feorex@ns01.qulix.com] has joined #lisp 21:30:53 Dont eat me stassats, all bone 21:31:48 Hie6 [~other@94.25.228.57] has joined #lisp 21:31:49 -!- feorex [~feorex@ns01.qulix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:32:05 ah, almost forgot, lisp related qustion 21:32:33 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:02 what is correct workflow for system(asdf) development with slime? Currently i'm ql:quickload my system and after each change in package(s) of that system i'm just C-c C-l that file but is it correct? 21:34:27 compilation to fasls seems like arcane to me currently not sure what the purpose of it 21:34:51 C-c C-c individual definitions is the usual way 21:36:03 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@host-84-13-187-24.opaltelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:26 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:45 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:37:45 -!- karupa64 [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:40:43 stassats: okay, thanks 21:40:47 -!- Hie6 [~other@94.25.228.57] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:09 zz_karupa64 [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 21:42:40 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 21:43:01 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:25 -!- harovali [~harovali@r186-54-19-34.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #lisp 21:50:50 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-178-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:27 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.153.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:52:02 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:19 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 21:55:26 hm, looks like SLIME is buggy with something like (letrec (,@) ,@). Getting parse errors out the wazoo 21:56:29 err, LABELS* not letrec 21:58:52 ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.94] has joined #lisp 22:01:39 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:25 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:28 marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-72-84.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 22:03:28 -!- marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-72-84.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Changing host] 22:03:28 marko-v [~user@unaffiliated/marko-v] has joined #lisp 22:04:15 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 22:04:53 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:17 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 22:09:15 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:13:56 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:13:58 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:15 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:53 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:21 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 22:17:38 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@adsl-99-108-111-228.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:59 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 22:19:11 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:20:52 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 22:21:03 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:53 xan_ [~xan@80.224.236.45.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 22:24:36 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 22:25:26 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.59.115] has joined #lisp 22:27:11 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:37 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 22:31:50 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:32:06 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:34:46 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-tjsqrtbwfkujygpo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:41 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has joined #lisp 22:42:31 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-apmeqczuxkgeotsp] has joined #lisp 22:45:13 stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has joined #lisp 22:45:23 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:49:26 -!- stduolc [~AndChat54@115.199.109.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:08 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:58:52 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 23:01:46 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 23:01:56 hi 23:02:12 Hi. 23:03:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:07 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06:38 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-234-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:10:15 *Hydan* stumbled upon recent (2012) Russian translation of ANSI Common Lisp by pg.. interesting 23:11:15 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:11:23 -!- tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:52 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host97.190-137-81.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:50 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:34 pillton [~user@140.253.50.147] has joined #lisp 23:16:34 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:18:59 davazp [~user@92.251.186.129.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 23:20:18 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:11 k0001 [~k0001@host97.190-137-81.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:21:41 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has joined #lisp 23:22:31 ij [~root@unaffiliated/ij] has joined #lisp 23:22:36 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@74.212.183.186] has quit [Client Quit] 23:23:28 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.94] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 23:24:16 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:35 seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:40 I don't know much lisp and I'm puzzled by user-homedir-pathname. 1. It doesn't reside in any sort of module or anything 2. Does it follow any naming conventions, apart from -? Why not user-home-directory? 23:24:52 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 23:27:53 xk05 [~xk05@c-98-244-43-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:48 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:32:01 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_user_h.htm 23:32:52 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:40 -!- bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:35:03 ij: if you have slime you probably have hyperspec-lookup as well, it is quite convenient esp. when properly coupled with w3m (: 23:39:24 -!- arnsa [faci@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 23:40:47 -!- sgron [~user@167.220.24.87] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:42:26 -!- jd__ [~jd@91.121.37.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:43:55 jd__ [~jd@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 23:44:17 ij: if you *don't* have slime then use http://l1sp.org/ 23:45:04 I do, I will try to configure w3m. 23:47:00 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.94] has joined #lisp 23:47:33 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:48:30 ij: fwiw, i don't use w3m but C-c C-d d gets me a far way. you can use l1sp.org/cl/format as an easy redirect to the right pages in the clhs from any browser. 23:49:28 ij: The things provided by the standard all reside in the "CL" package. That's CL:USER-HOMEDIR-PATHNAME, but you don't need to specify the package if the symbol is imported to the current package, and the default reader setting case converts to caps. pathname is a class, so that part is being explicit about the return value. the homedir abreviation appears to be a departure from the usual naming 23:49:28 style and you might be able to track down why by reading archives of standards discussions but I wouldn't recommend spending the time. 23:49:40 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:50:51 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host97.190-137-81.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:45 Vivitron: I though you could only get those archives from R.P.G. or something, are they online somewhere nowadays? 23:55:05 maybe "homedir" was already a well entrenched term at the time 23:56:13 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 23:59:32 sgron [~user@167.220.24.87] has joined #lisp