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00:49:34 there is a strange function series::install 00:49:37 not exported 00:49:47 is user supposed to invoke it? 00:49:59 yes. series is weird and old. 00:51:56 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 00:52:08 series::install shadows let let* multiple-value-bind funcall defun in the current *package* 00:52:16 to it's own definitions 00:52:48 -!- jasom_ is now known as jasom 00:54:34 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 00:56:15 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:11 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:00:27 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 01:00:28 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@mobile-130-126-255-240.near.illinois.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:02:01 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:02:38 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f68bbe.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 01:03:23 -!- agnosis46 [~agnosis46@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:04:35 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:06:04 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-133-48.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:28 -!- prxq__ [~mommer@x2f67e74.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:17 the_TORmentor [~the_TORme@unaffiliated/the-tormentor/x-3958522] has joined #lisp 01:11:40 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12:27 -!- the_TORmentor [~the_TORme@unaffiliated/the-tormentor/x-3958522] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:14:17 the_TORmentor [~the_TORme@unaffiliated/the-tormentor/x-3958522] has joined #lisp 01:15:05 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:59 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Quit: computer rebuild time] 01:16:11 wow lispworks times out on personal edition? 01:18:17 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 01:18:26 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 01:19:07 -!- harish_ [~harish@119.56.127.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:19:38 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-173-208.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:20:08 knob [~knob@66-50-23-168.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:29 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.144.63.191] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 01:25:03 hey lispers, has anyone created a comprehensive lisp-based runtime environment before? as in, no-install, no-privlege-elevation, portable and cross-platform? 01:27:05 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:05 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.10] has joined #lisp 01:27:25 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 01:27:50 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 01:29:09 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:30:51 tamaska: it used to exist, but i don't know of anything that's being maintained actively. since the advance of quicklisp the advised cross platform setup would likely be emacs+ccl+quicklisp or emacs+sbcl+quicklisp. 01:31:23 emacs + sbcl + quicklisp? 01:31:33 and here i thought emacs was a text editor 01:31:46 am i the only one who actually uses emacs? 01:31:50 all my friends use vim 01:32:01 but i wanted to use slime, so i chose emacs 01:32:44 tamaska: and quicklisp has something called quicklisp-slime-helper to help you set slime up :) 01:33:01 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:33:03 shiny 01:33:14 i remember how much of a pain it was to get it setup 01:33:23 it was WONDERFUL once it was setup 01:33:31 but omg, it was an ordeal. 01:33:42 http://blog.quicklisp.org/ quicklisp must be new 01:34:04 as of 2010, yes 01:34:29 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:35:17 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:35:30 tamaska: i don't think a great environment exists which is more newbie-friendly. however, there was once a plugin for eclipse, which might be a good start for newcomers. 01:35:45 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:36:04 madnificent: thank you for the information. 01:36:20 so, in other words, this would be virgin ground, and worth pursuing. 01:36:27 i just didnt want to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. 01:37:19 -!- svs_ [~svs@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:37:55 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:55 i was playing around with the idea of a meta-compiler in the form of a meta-interpreter that constantly re-interpreted itself in place with a triad. the "main loop" would actually be three instances of an interpreter constantly reinterpreting itself. 01:38:14 all of that would be executed on top of a cross-platform portable runtime environment 01:38:21 perhaps ask again when the channel is a bit more active. but if Bike hasn't got much extra information on it etiher, then I'd say that it'd be a welcome addition. it has been done before, but afaik it hasn't been maintained. (i could be wrong though) 01:38:29 this is the sort of thing lispers an smalltalkers would come up with 01:38:38 so i was just making sure my efforts would be appreciated 01:38:53 meta-interpreters mostly makes me think of the Lisp 3 semitradition 01:39:03 good morning, Bike 01:39:05 i think that's a rather different concern from setting something up for noobs though 01:39:08 lisp 3? 01:39:19 Bike: yeah, i 01:39:42 back in the day some egghead wrote a huge thesis on a lisp system that acted like an infinite series of interpretation 01:39:47 Bike: yeah, i'm not setting this up for newbies, i'm designing a runtime platform's architecture 01:39:54 and wondering if it was already done 01:40:18 Bike: i see. sounds like an egghead i'd appreciate. 01:40:53 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 01:41:04 i forget the name and it was pretty unreadable, i'll just say read about kernel lisp instead :p 01:41:34 but yeah, i'm sure everyone here is familiar with the java runtime environment, and adobe flash's attempts at providing a cross-platform and portable platform for the actual problem domain logic 01:41:50 but java was not far enough, the vision wasnt far enough 01:42:00 flash is.. well, flash. 01:42:26 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 01:43:21 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:25 but a sort of platform like that, but something portable, full of underlying macros and self-reinterpretation and code generation, a persistent just-in-time compile-in-place instance that can synchronize over any internet connection without requiring it 01:43:34 that would take lisp and smalltalk to the next level, no? 01:45:37 i read a paper about the concept of a supercomputer supernetwork, which basically merges all computers connected to each other into a singular whole. i feel that anything in that conceptual direction would be a perfect fit for lisp and smalltalk 01:47:46 but i was 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timeout: 256 seconds] 03:20:04 hi 03:20:20 Hello Fare 03:20:24 I just released a snapshot of QUUX on QITAB http://common-lisp.net/project/qitab/ 03:20:27 noon 03:20:37 beach: do you hack on anything, these days? 03:20:47 Fare: You bet! 03:20:55 minion: tell Fare about SICL. 03:20:56 Fare: SICL: SICL is a (perhaps futile) attempt to re-implement Common Lisp from scratch, hopefully using improved programming and bootstrapping techniques. See https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL 03:20:57 I also released asdf support for quick-build style one-package-per-file systems 03:21:41 minion: does SICL aim at providing the low-level bits and compiler infrastructure, or "only" the meta-circular runtime? 03:21:41 does SICL aim at providing the low-level bits and compiler infrastructure, or "only" the meta-circular runtime: An error was encountered in lookup: Parse error:URI "http://www.cliki.net/does%20SICL%20aim%20at%20providing%20the%20low-level%20bits%20and%20compiler%20infrastructure%2C%20or%20\"only\"%20the%20meta-circular%20runtime?source" contains illegal character #\" at position 125.. 03:21:57 s/minion/beach/ 03:22:01 Ooops. 03:22:29 How did that happen. 03:22:45 Oh, I see. 03:23:01 Fare: Everything. 03:23:03 :) 03:23:11 nice 03:23:22 quick-build style: https://bugs.launchpad.net/asdf/+bug/1230368 03:24:05 Fare: Any plans to make the ASDF manual more mortal-friendly? 03:24:17 [I can't understand it :(] 03:24:42 beach: it would have to be re-written from scratch. 03:24:58 beach: that said, specific criticism sent on the mailing-list would help 03:25:43 have you seen my asdf3 talk at els2013 ? https://github.com/fare/asdf3-2013/blob/master/els-slides.org 03:26:01 I'll look at it. Thanks. 03:26:08 I read a paper, but maybe the paper is older. 03:26:40 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.10] has left #lisp 03:29:35 Fare: The slides provide additional information that is valuable. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 03:30:05 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:08 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:30:42 Can anyone recommend a good CSV parser on quicklisp? There are several. 03:32:25 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:46 CrazyEddy [~reread@113.52.233.162] has joined #lisp 03:33:02 antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has joined #lisp 03:33:34 -!- CrazyEddy [~reread@113.52.233.162] has quit [Changing host] 03:33:35 CrazyEddy [~reread@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 03:36:13 Fare: With respect to SICL, I am currently working on the compiler and the x86-64 backend. 03:37:30 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:35 Fare: ... and I spend a lot of time thinking about bootstrapping issues. 03:38:03 beach - you are writing a CL compiler? 03:38:16 drmeiste_: yes. 03:38:29 Good for you - how far along are you? 03:39:00 Pretty far. Though probably a few months to go before something can actually be built. 03:39:28 I've just written one that uses LLVM as the backend. 03:39:36 Oh, interesting! 03:39:39 Do you know anything about "escape analysis"? 03:39:55 A little. 03:40:04 axion [~axion@127.sub-70-197-192.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 03:40:17 What do you need to know? 03:40:21 I'm trying to figure it out. My compiler doesn't generate very efficient code because it treats everything like a closure. 03:40:33 I see. 03:41:31 We should talk more. I'm tied up at the moment (tonight) trying to do something else. I'm trying to read CSV files with SBCL and fare-csv. 03:41:50 fare: Are you online? 03:41:52 I do all that stuff in the intermediate code; a graph version of "MIR" (see e.g. the book by Muchnick) 03:42:15 OK, let me know when you are availab.e 03:42:19 *available 03:43:09 Does the muchnick book explain how to do escape analysis for functional languages or Common Lisp specifically? 03:43:09 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:20 heh, no not at all. 03:43:26 Of course not. 03:43:32 How did you figure it out? 03:43:33 But it is not hard. 03:43:42 So everyone keeps telling me. 03:44:29 Essentially, whenever a closure is used as an argument to an external function, then you must do something special with it. 03:44:57 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:45:46 It's more a matter of determining potential extent. 03:46:34 I'd love to talk more but I've got to get some programming done for my wife. 03:46:46 Does anyone know how to get documentation on a quicklisp package? 03:47:02 An object needs to be allocated in an environment which has an extent that does not expire earlier than the object might. 03:47:25 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:52 So you can think of it as a kind of statically analyzed GC -- might the reference escape your region of static analysis and be linked into the live set where you can't see? 03:49:10 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.144.63.191] has joined #lisp 03:51:38 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:22 -!- tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has quit [Quit: tertl3-laptop] 03:52:36 drmeiste_, yes 03:52:46 Fare: Did you write fare-csv? 03:53:05 -!- drmeiste_ is now known as drmeister_ 03:53:09 I did 03:53:18 what issues are you having? 03:53:51 I've seen there were more recent attempts at CSV parsing. fare-csv is only guaranteed better than the older ones. 03:53:59 Excellent - I'm unfamiliar with quicklisp - I loaded fare-csv thinking that I can use it to load comma-separated-value files - I have no idea how to get documentation with quicklisp or how to use fare-csv - do you have any pointers? 03:54:34 Matthew Might and Olin Shivers worked on control flow analysis for Scheme. 03:55:02 the source code is somewhat self-documenting 03:55:27 what are you trying to do? 03:55:46 what's wrong with (fare-csv:read-csv-file "foo.csv") 03:57:21 Seriously - I have no idea what I'm doing with quicklisp and the documentation is pretty thin. I type (ql:system-apropos "fare-csv") and then (ql:quickload "fare-csv") something loads - where does the source code end up? 03:58:26 Ok, "find" just found: ./.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.58-macosx-x64/Users/meister/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/fare-csv-20120305-git 03:59:30 wrapping it in a with-creativyst-csv-syntax for reproducibility 04:00:08 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:12 It contains two fasl files that are unintelligible because they are fasl files - where does quicklisp load packages so that I can read the source? 04:00:49 drmeister_: for me in ~/quicklisp 04:01:05 ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/fare-csv-20120909-git/ 04:01:24 M-. can help, too 04:01:27 -!- seangrov` [~user@89-201-233-158.dsl.optinet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:02:12 I M-. on fare-csv and slime says: No known definition... (sigh). 04:02:39 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:45 ubolonton [~user@115.79.207.194] has joined #lisp 04:03:18 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:25 There we go - found csv.lisp. 04:04:10 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 04:04:25 Ok, now we are cooking - thanks. 04:07:23 M-. on fare-csv:read-csv-file after loading it 04:08:56 Fare - awesome - thank you so much. It just loaded the entire file. 04:10:36 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:11:41 -!- spacebat [~spacebat@150.101.97.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:58 I'm helping my wife organize our school directory - it's loading both excel spreadsheets as csv files and now I can write a little program to identify the differences. I'm gonna get smooches tonight! 04:12:40 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 04:13:03 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13:23 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13:59 -!- antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:14:40 Perhaps I'm over-sharing :-) 04:14:49 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:53 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:11 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:17:58 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h85.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:18:50 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:06 -!- axion [~axion@127.sub-70-197-192.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19:09 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@199.200.30.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:19:37 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:22:02 :-) 04:22:06 Is there anything to write out csv files? 04:22:22 I'm told there is also an ABCL interface to some java library to use excel files more directly 04:22:57 Bleh - I'll stick with csv files. Microsoft file formats are a rats nest. 04:23:14 I see write-csv-line 04:23:18 (fare-csv:with-creativyst-syntax () (fare-csv:write-csv-lines lines stream)) ? 04:23:40 (fare-csv:with-creativyst-csv-syntax () (fare-csv:write-csv-lines lines stream)) ? 04:24:00 Got it - thanks. 04:24:10 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:27:13 ToeTagg [~steve@ip70-190-103-218.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:46 spacebat [~spacebat@150.101.97.47] has joined #lisp 04:32:37 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:54 alezost [~user@128-70-203-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:36:41 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:39:18 Ok, all done - fare thanks for the help and thanks for writing fare-csv 04:39:51 -!- drmeister_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:48 Petit_Dejeuner [~hypernito@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:49 pillton` [~user@140.253.50.147] has joined #lisp 04:48:19 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49:07 -!- pillton [~user@140.253.50.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50:04 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:33 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:52:41 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 04:53:43 -!- ToeTagg [~steve@ip70-190-103-218.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:54:19 ASau` [~user@p5797F184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 04:55:45 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F0D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:03 zRecursive [~czsq888@222.209.242.191] has joined #lisp 04:56:35 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 04:57:12 you're welcome 04:57:31 worst part is: I only used fare-csv but a handful of times 04:58:04 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 04:58:38 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:10 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-173-208.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:15 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:04:31 janneliu [~liujianto@222.209.124.103] has joined #lisp 05:09:18 -!- tamaska [~coyote@pool-71-164-228-88.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Heaven is not a place. 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Never have I typed so much punctuation. Consistent parens are just so much better (: 07:34:36 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c0fc-28.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:35:25 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-117-190.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:35:50 Hello splittist 07:36:37 hi 07:36:53 is there some online docs about uiop? mmm, Quickdocs maybe 07:37:23 (not finding content on asdf docs, I'm curious about the API provided by uiop to supersede cl-fad) 07:37:24 -!- antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:37:27 Hey, beach! 07:37:40 http://quickdocs.org/uiop/api ok 07:38:45 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:40:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-28-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:46:42 KDr2 [~KDr2@117.35.162.38] has joined #lisp 07:47:33 splittist: Any Lisp hacking lately, or just Javascript? 07:48:38 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:49:20 I was serving the js with Hunchentoot: does that count? I have slowly been fiddling with my document generation stuff. But nothing dramatic. 07:49:26 antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has joined #lisp 07:49:36 It counts. 07:49:47 Young Ms Splittist has just turned one, so that's been a bit time consuming (: 07:50:01 Yes, of course. Congrats, though. 07:50:02 tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has joined #lisp 07:50:36 sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #lisp 07:50:48 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.228.45.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:37 Thanks! Mrs Splittist was asking after you just yesterday, as it happens. 07:52:10 Oh, OK. Tell her hello from me then. 07:53:03 I will! 07:53:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:53:58 kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-138-107.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 07:55:48 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:56:28 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@222.209.242.191] has left #lisp 07:58:07 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-138-107.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Client Quit] 08:00:07 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:39 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 08:08:10 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317373.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:22 -!- neoncortex [~neoncorte@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:08:44 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 08:08:48 josemanuel [~josemanue@118.Red-81-44-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:50 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@118.Red-81-44-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:10:19 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.144.63.191] has joined #lisp 08:15:09 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:22 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 08:19:31 zorkmoid [c2ed8e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.7] has joined #lisp 08:19:35 ;Good morning! 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'evcon' and 'evlis' in Common Lisp. 12:13:12 what do they do? 12:13:24 cons, list? 12:14:03 http://ep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/paulgraham/jmc.lisp 12:15:01 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-117-190.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:15:36 quote, atom, eq car cdr cons and cond is basic function of Lisp. 12:15:53 half of them are not functions 12:16:06 All other function could extend with these 7 core function 12:16:33 yes, It is primitive function or special form 12:18:30 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:19:18 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:27 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:20:21 brmj [444631d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.70.49.208] has joined #lisp 12:20:42 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 12:21:16 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:02 hello LISPERs. okay so in common lisp if i define a package using (defpackage) have my system running for a while 12:22:07 define a new function 12:22:11 and i want to export this function 12:22:37 (export 'my-pack::my-fun) 12:22:46 oh so great 12:22:50 thank you so much ogamita 12:23:10 ryankarason: now, statically, you'd modify the defpackage form (defpackage "MY-PACK" (:use "CL") (:export "MY-FUN")) 12:23:27 okay great, i was really hoping this option would be available 12:23:38 so if i already had a list in the :export 12:23:41 it will just append? 12:23:41 ryankarason: but it is implementation dependant what happens when you eval more than one defpackage forms for the same package. 12:23:48 okay 12:23:52 ryankarason: happily most implementation do the right thing (but not all). 12:24:38 So, do both: interactively you may use export or a slime command to export a symbol, AND update the defpackage form. 12:24:58 Or if you have an implementation that does the right thing with defpackage, you can just update it and re-evaluate it. 12:25:18 Or you can use my defpackage macro that does the right thing. FSVO "the right thing". 12:26:24 harish_ [~harish@119.56.124.229] has joined #lisp 12:26:42 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:27:53 okay, i will consider my options thank you much. 12:28:03 Perhaps I should extract com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp-reader.package:defpackage from the reader package, and put it in com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.package. 12:28:06 <|3b|> ryankarason: if you use slime, it has a key to export it and add it to the defpackage form 12:28:18 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:28:19 do not hurt me, i do not use slime. 12:28:20 <|3b|> C-c x i think 12:28:39 ryankarason: on the big implementations, defpackage do the right thing, so don't worry ;-) 12:28:45 okay:) 12:29:03 IIRC, the only ones where there was problems were abcl and gcl. 12:32:46 emacs-dw` [~user@rrcs-72-43-236-2.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:00 -!- emacs-dw` [~user@rrcs-72-43-236-2.nys.biz.rr.com] has left #lisp 12:34:52 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-204.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:39:29 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41:09 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9D740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:59 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:13 sz [~sz@94.55.194.230] has joined #lisp 12:44:50 -!- sz [~sz@94.55.194.230] has quit [Client Quit] 12:45:32 sz0 [~sz@94.55.194.230] has joined #lisp 12:46:57 -!- sz0 [~sz@94.55.194.230] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:10 sz0 [~textual@94.55.194.230] has joined #lisp 12:47:23 kwmiebach_ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-55-57.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:47:56 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:50:16 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-133-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50:59 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:23 -!- sz0 [~textual@94.55.194.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:51:37 guillaume_ [~guillaume@130.0.112.55] has joined #lisp 12:52:56 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:54:20 -!- eeezkil [~eeezkil@unaffiliated/eeezkil] has quit [Quit: ^D] 12:54:55 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 12:55:40 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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is the correct way to load (or at least list) all files in some directory? 16:01:49 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:02:30 the correct way is to not do that 16:03:35 I'm writing simple plugin system. How am I supposed not to do that? 16:04:20 hitecnologys: I think DIRECTORY, with perhaps some impl-specific params? 16:04:38 hitecnologys: cl-fad:list-directory 16:04:38 hitecnologys: cl-fad or something might provide a portable interface. 16:05:01 (directory "*.lisp") 16:05:32 (if somebody cares, I need to load this files only to load definitions of plugins because it's integrated with asdf so asdf will care about how to load all plugin's code after definition is loaded) 16:06:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:07 stassats`, What would you do instead of listing the files? 16:06:27 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:06:31 stassats`: that returns nil. What am I doing wrong? 16:06:52 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:07:01 hitecnologys, maybe there are no .lisp files in the dir it's looking in? 16:07:06 hitecnologys: trying the wrong directory? 16:07:25 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-138-107.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:53 stassats`: I tried the absolute path to random project and it still returns nil. 16:08:49 I'm actually suprised that "*.lisp" is supposed to work. 16:08:54 hitecnologys: then you tried it wrong 16:09:16 ^Try it correctly this time hitecnologys. Try kicking your lisp machine. 16:09:40 stassats`: but cl-fad:list-directory lists files with absolutely the same path. 16:09:50 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:11 clearly, you're doing something wrong 16:10:14 hitecnologys, Maybe try looking at cl-fad:list-directory source? 16:10:28 -!- antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:11:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:10 Petit_Dejeuner: already doing that. 16:11:15 hitecnologys: try (cl-fad:list-directory (user-homedir-pathname)) 16:12:38 eudoxia: it lists all files and dirs in my home, as expected. How is that supposed to solve the "problem" with (directory "*.lisp")? 16:13:04 Ah, damn. 16:13:10 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 16:13:17 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-86-108.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:20 I'm idiot and I made a mistake in path. 16:13:37 Problem solved, thanks for help. 16:17:11 Does anyone use this? http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/doc/Don_0027t-Loop-Iterate.html#fnd-1 16:17:24 agumonke1 [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:42 -!- agumonkey [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:40 ASau [~user@p5797F184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:19:46 skalawag [user@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3ad2] has joined #lisp 16:20:33 Petit_Dejeuner: I've used it ... works very well. 16:21:40 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:51 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-171-48-37.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:24:20 reb`, Ah, that's exactly the answer I was hoping for. Too bad I'm not annoyed enough with loop to learn it yet. 16:25:33 -!- ogamita [~t@LNantes-156-76-35-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:41 antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has joined #lisp 16:25:52 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:43 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:30:10 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:32:10 -!- agumonke1 is now known as agumonkey 16:33:30 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089D30E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:33:40 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 16:35:19 sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-250-178.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:36 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DEB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:36:42 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:37:13 Petit_Dejeuner: Just use loop. Everyone already understands it. 16:37:25 I probably will. 16:37:51 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:38:36 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:39:28 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:32 p_nathan [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 16:43:56 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:58 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:43 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:48:20 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 16:49:27 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:49:55 hitecnologys, don't use cl-fad, use uiop 16:50:08 insomniaSalt [~milan@fsf/member/insomniasalt] has joined #lisp 16:50:15 my officemate wrote iterate... weird 16:50:33 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:04 or for full control, don't use uiop, use iolib 16:51:15 -!- jangle_ [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:27 but friends don't let friends use cl-fad, really 16:51:34 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:51:41 -!- sdemarre [~serge@142.191-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:59 -!- svs_ [~svs@67-0-146-182.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:33 svs_ [~svs@67-0-146-182.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:18 sz0 [~textual@94.55.194.230] has joined #lisp 16:54:37 Fare: I just use DIRECTORY, it's OK for my purposes. But thanks for advice, I'll try iolib. 16:55:48 what's that wrong with cl-fad, Fare? 16:57:12 so many things 16:57:36 it has docs and implementation does what docs say, that's always a good start 16:57:37 let's pull the latest and see 16:58:00 iolib also has better documentation than uiop (Which don't seem to have any) 16:58:34 its delete-directory will bite your ass 16:58:35 -!- sz0 [~textual@94.55.194.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:58:48 (depending on the implementation) 16:58:59 why not fix it then? 16:59:17 because it sucks from start to finish, and there's already vastly better, namely uiop 16:59:30 the naming lacks in consistency 16:59:38 stassats`: "NIH" 16:59:39 Yea, docs. 16:59:43 it supports vastly fewer implementations 16:59:53 what's wrong with docstrings? 16:59:55 docs or uiop doesn't exist. 17:00:19 cl-fad probably doesn't work on genera 17:00:19 Fare: we want to be reading docs *before* the code, generally 17:00:19 docstrings are docs 17:00:32 extract them into a website, ala Quickdocs? 17:00:35 Well docstrings are one part of the documentation, but there is also 'big picture' docs. 17:00:38 docstrings, extracted, and categorized sanely into functional groups would be fine probably. 17:00:54 go tell the quickdocs guy to extract more than the first package 17:01:06 But how do I figure out even what sorts of things are in uiop that I should think about using it for? 17:01:10 ls 17:01:17 I'm not maintaining uiop, Fare, but otherwise your advice sounds good 17:01:24 pathname.lisp has pathname related functions 17:01:24 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:01:37 each file starts with a package that exports relevant symbols 17:01:46 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 17:01:50 filesystem.lisp has filesystem access functions 17:02:12 the way cl-fad works or not varies wildly from one implementation to the other 17:02:31 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-250-178.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:02:46 its criterion of directory vs file isn't very good, or portable 17:03:06 it offers no portable way to specify a relative pathname 17:03:12 foom: isn't the name "uiop" descriptive enough? 17:03:14 Shrug, you can defend the current docs, but I also was mightily put-off by the lack of even an introductory doc to what it can provide for me. 17:03:24 it doesn't deal properly with HOST and DEVICE issues 17:03:43 foom: what would satisfy you? a README? 17:04:18 or (shudder) the lovecraftian horror that are "logical" pathnames. 17:05:07 or encodings. 17:06:46 Fare: read any of Edi's docs to know what we want from you for uiop and other libs you publish 17:06:53 e.g. cl-fad 17:06:57 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:07:31 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:08:20 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has joined #lisp 17:10:31 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 17:10:39 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:11:11 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:46 So, just taking another look, using the docstrings is not feasible for reading. It's' too interspersed with code, and there's internal implementation functions interspersed as well. 17:13:25 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:15:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-164-232.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:17:27 Fade, "the naming lacks in consistency" maybe we should replace the stdlib ;) 17:18:28 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:16 is there anything wrong with the documentation format provided by Ediware? I personnaly find it great 17:19:27 dim: that was the point. 17:19:45 dim: I mean, no, it *is* good. 17:20:42 add^_ [~user@m176-70-215-99.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 17:20:57 yeah, so let's tell the other lib authors they can just use the same format and tools ;-) 17:21:53 Fare: http://weitz.de/documentation-template/ 17:24:41 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has joined #lisp 17:25:50 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:04 davazp [~user@31.200.167.141] has joined #lisp 17:27:50 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:32:01 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:32:43 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:39:02 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:43 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-ycgshqkfnlfmdgpf] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:40:52 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DEB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:37 Any eye/head trackers in lisp? 17:46:46 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:47:48 there's prove fingerprint devices in lisp 17:47:50 lol 17:48:28 <|3b|> if not, there are bits of bindings for opencv which might be useful for building one 17:48:43 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.60.50] has quit [Quit: zzz...] 17:50:08 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:51 oleo: add "lol" to the list of messages you shouldn't send 17:51:06 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-214-140.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 17:51:16 ? 17:51:24 why ? 17:51:40 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 17:51:48 <|3b|> because it lacks content? 17:51:49 benny [~user@i577A3497.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 17:52:26 aha 17:52:35 that can be said about all the messages sent by oleo, but the expletive ones are worse 17:52:56 <|3b|> right, the others at least seem to be intended to have content 17:52:56 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 17:53:43 l_ [~l_hymn43@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:54:03 -!- svs_ [~svs@67-0-146-182.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:56:13 I s'poze I'll learn how to invoke OpenCV from Lisp but examples help a lot. 17:56:50 <|3b|> the bindings i found weren't very complete unfortunately, had to add a bunch for what i wanted to do :/ 17:57:01 -!- l_ [~l_hymn43@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 17:57:16 *|3b|* should probably clean up my changes and put them on github at some point 17:57:56 Davidbrcz [~david@97.229.5.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:44 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:44 i should actually get something done :/ 17:59:35 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:00:12 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 18:00:14 if i could finish up the c2ffi bs today i'd be ecstatic but i dunno fi that'll happen 18:01:09 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:01:46 er 18:01:49 wrong channel sorry 18:02:59 mrSpec [~Spec@85.219.172.50] has joined #lisp 18:02:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@85.219.172.50] has quit [Changing host] 18:02:59 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:03:09 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.167.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:30 -!- jangle_ [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Quit: jangle_] 18:05:46 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 18:06:11 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-5-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:14 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:06:26 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:06:28 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 18:07:36 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has joined #lisp 18:08:35 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 18:08:37 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 18:08:54 -!- antgreen [~green@12.203.59.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:40 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has quit [Quit: jangle] 18:11:13 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 18:11:14 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@97.229.5.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:32 -!- jangle_ is now known as jangle 18:14:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:16:01 *|3b|* pushes my cl-opencv stuff to https://github.com/3b/cl-opencv no idea what state it is in though, and also looks like there are a bunch of unmerged changes in https://github.com/redline6561/cl-opencv/tree/generated and various other forks 18:17:18 jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:30 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:59 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:28:08 Yanez [~Thunderbi@159.178.28.52] has joined #lisp 18:28:48 -!- sirdanCCealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:59 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-143-223.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:05 http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=projects/asdf/asdf.git;a=blob;f=uiop/README 18:37:09 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:58 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 18:38:01 Thanks! That's a huge improvement already. 18:39:01 working on "Corman, GCL, Genera, MCL" is a killer feature 18:39:28 IIRC, people actually wanted ASDF to work on those, for some reason. 18:42:59 sirdanCCealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has joined #lisp 18:43:22 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B0E62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:51 stassats`, you don't have to care about these. I don't care much anymore. 18:43:59 Supported without much any issues are: ABCL, Allegro, CCL, CMUCL, CLISP, ECL, LispWorks, MKCL, SBCL, XCL. 18:44:18 svs_ [~svs@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:31 but supporting fringe implementations makes code more complicated and prone to errors 18:44:40 or finds bugs in it 18:44:49 and makes for a more robust design. 18:46:00 finding bug in what? 18:46:01 CL is a fringe language. Pffff Judean Common Lisp. 18:46:07 *jaimef* hunts for laptop stickers for CL 18:46:24 say bugs in the pathname abstractions 18:46:47 if you can support genera, you can pretty much support any windows and mac implementation, not just unix. 18:46:58 or ABCL and SCL's URL pathnames 18:47:50 once you realize that MERGE-PATHNAMES is useless, you've made strides. 18:48:30 friends don't let friends use MERGE-PATHNAMES. If you're Unix-only, use iolib, otherwise, use UIOP:MERGE-PATHNAMES* 18:48:52 or UIOP:SUBPATHNAME 18:49:22 thanks, but no thanks 18:50:16 well, no thanks to you for making code that's implicitly unix-only yet fails miserably on wildcard pathnames, then. 18:50:40 unless you're both UNIX 18:50:58 Common Lisp of Judea > Judean Common Lisp QED 18:51:00 *and* SBCL only - yeah, then there are ways out (not pretty) 18:51:32 subpathname is great. 18:51:46 -!- sirdanCCealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:51:54 i don't even care about portability to clisp anymore, it's too broken 18:51:58 The CL spec could hardly have made a worse pathname API if they tried. 18:52:10 forget portability, it's just hard to use at all. 18:52:12 of course it is, but it took a lot of failures and experimentation and trying to make things portable before I found and generalized the correct API for it. 18:52:32 (not because of pathnames, overall) 18:52:57 malkomalko [~malkomalk@pool-173-56-22-224.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:25 run-program was "interesting" to write, too. so much better than asdf:run-shell-command (misinherited from mk-defsystem). 18:54:28 if you can support implementations that only have C's system(), yet capture command output, you can do things portably. 18:55:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:55:12 uiop:run-program is I believe quite nice. 18:55:32 and so much better than all the semi-portable alternatives 18:55:35 its code makes me shiver 18:55:48 that's the point: you DON'T have to look inside. 18:56:08 it abstracts over the madness 18:56:50 and gives you a nice way to control the output, too. 18:57:22 how well does that work on ecl? 18:57:56 if the code doesn't make you shiver (or is a dependency of something that does), it probably doesn't belong in UIOP. 18:58:07 it just works on ECL, on Windows and Unix. 18:58:38 (uiop:run-program "uname") => :INPUT argument to RUN-PROGRAM does not have a file handle: # 18:58:42 although -- not tested on windows in a year 19:00:14 apparently requires a terminal or file-handle input in ECL. Sigh. 19:00:42 Can be papered over. 19:01:01 is NUL still working on Windows? 19:02:38 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:03:00 jollyG [~JollyG@152.15.112.119] has joined #lisp 19:03:01 (run-program "uname" :output :line) is more useful, btw 19:05:54 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:17 how can i get both output and the status code? 19:06:36 stassats`, does this work? (uiop:run-program "uname" :force-shell t :output :line) ? 19:06:38 -!- jollyG [~JollyG@152.15.112.119] has quit [Client Quit] 19:07:02 on ecl under slime? no 19:07:32 what about (uiop:run-program '("uname") :output :line) ? 19:07:50 same thing 19:07:56 good to know 19:08:10 worthy of a bug report on launchpad, too 19:08:38 so, what about the return code? 19:09:04 you can get the return code by handling uiop:subprocess-error 19:09:17 but if you handle the condition, you don't have the output 19:09:53 or you can on unix echo $? at the end of your pipe, which is ugly, but "portable" to unix. 19:09:54 (block nil (with-output-to-string (str) (return (values (uiop:run-program "uname" :output str) (get-output-stream-string str))))) 19:09:57 -!- mmathis [~surya@198.199.68.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09:59 returns NIL "Linux" 19:10:10 i would have expected 0 "Linux" 19:10:44 that would not have allowed for a portable implementation. 19:11:07 some implementations just drop the exit code in all but the simplest cases 19:12:12 bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-109-192-208-037.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:12:18 your implementation is also subject to deadlocks if your subprocess outputs more than fits in an OS pipe buffer 19:12:48 well, not with uiop:run-program, but say with sb-ext:run-program 19:12:55 i don't see that 19:13:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:13:33 -!- arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 19:14:30 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:15:07 Hi, I'm looping through a list of large list with the LOOP-macro, and I want to append to the list I am looping over, so that the newly appended list elements are also looped over. However, I cannot modify the list I'm looping over by appending to it. In a small example this works (see paste), however my code seems to ignore the new elements. Does LOOP ignore appending for larger lists? 19:15:09 http://hastebin.com/jakehijegi.vhdl 19:15:14 arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 19:15:50 *|3b|* is pretty sure most CL iteration constructs don't let you modify the structure of the object being iterated 19:15:50 what is (break) doing there? 19:16:04 bad_alloc: 1) use some kind of mutable queue datastructure 2) loop with foo = (pop-queue) 19:16:13 bad_alloc, see e.g. how it's done in POIU 19:16:30 stassats`, where? 19:16:44 in the loop 19:17:02 stassats`: Why is that wrong? it terminates the loop. (Is this too C-like?) 19:17:19 break in CL doesn't do what you think 19:17:21 it's wrong because it simply doesn't work 19:17:22 you mean (return) 19:17:29 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:18:41 <|3b|> you don't need PROGN inside LOOP DO clauses 19:18:41 ah, break was never reached. that explains something. 19:18:58 <|3b|> and put the DO at the beginning of a line, not at end of previous clause 19:19:07 append is almost always the wrong function to use in a loop 19:19:27 |3b|: but a progn is useful there for emacs indentation. 19:19:59 if you use append in a loop, you're probably doing it wrong - see the google common lisp style guide 19:20:04 <|3b|> pjb: how so? 19:20:10 it isn't, and butchering your code for indentation doesn't make any sense 19:20:43 bad_alloc: I mean loop for foo = (pop-queue) 19:21:04 lrn2datastructure 19:21:17 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-141-173.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:21 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-204.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:22:31 Fare: i still don't see any deadlocks in sb-ext:run-program 19:22:38 |3b|: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139189 19:22:44 when used with with-output-to-string 19:22:59 <|3b|> pjb: fix your emacs? 19:23:19 Thanks Fare & stassats` 19:23:23 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:28 <|3b|> pjb: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZED/1 19:23:30 |3b|: I still don't know how. 19:23:44 stassats`, I suppose you were running on ECL under Linux? 19:23:47 <|3b|> load slime-indentation contrib or something like that i think 19:23:50 and why is it not doing the right thing alone? 19:23:54 Fare: i did 19:24:14 well, i pasted the same thing as |3b| 19:24:51 |3b|: not better. 19:25:32 Well, I'll have to debug that but now now. 19:26:10 have you set lisp-indent-function to 'common-lisp-indent-function? 19:26:16 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:39 It's unbound. 19:28:02 Ah no, lisp-indent-function is indeed set to common-lisp-indent-function. 19:28:06 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:17 stassats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/asdf/+bug/1232225 19:30:51 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:23 any windows user around? 19:31:38 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has joined #lisp 19:36:42 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-147-215.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:38:17 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:31 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:38:31 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 19:39:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:39:53 -!- malkomalko 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/proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size is 1048576 so the deadlock is only after 1MB of data in pipes. 19:59:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:59:59 have you experienced it? 20:02:05 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:03:36 i just successfully put 200 MB through with-output-to-string 20:04:52 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-168-243-85.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:07:52 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:14 and pipe-max-size is the maximum size 20:08:37 looking at the SBCL internals, it will do the right thing while waiting for the subprocess to terminate 20:08:51 the default size is 65K 20:08:55 I can't swear other implementations will go through the same length 20:09:29 64 20:09:36 i.e. SBCL actively handles the pipes while the run-program is going on 20:09:42 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 20:10:18 yes, i was aware of that, and that's why your "but say with 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