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(And on what system?) 15:31:56 yes 15:31:57 -!- snowylike2 [~sn@91-67-170-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:32:03 i have run that now 5 times or so 15:32:13 oleo: what gpu? 15:32:22 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:32:28 everytime i run that command the output-buffer gets scrolled and the answers come but while that time the sound goes off.... 15:32:50 nvidia 15:32:56 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:32:57 nouveau 15:33:01 oh well probably that's why 15:34:11 i don't understand.... 15:34:18 what has output todo with sound ? 15:34:21 do something else graphically intensive and see 15:34:28 hmmm 15:35:00 possibly a cpu/bus thing alternatively (or even related) 15:35:20 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 15:36:14 Try to run any heavy game and mplayer at the same time. 15:36:19 oleo: I got it: your computer is an upgraded ZX-80? :) 15:36:27 motherboard integrated sound? 15:36:30 s/Try to run/Try running/ 15:36:31 yes 15:36:40 it's integrated into mb 15:37:05 so you say it's mplayers fault or nouveau's or lisps ? 15:37:12 or what ? 15:37:35 oleo: you may be able to fix that by changing the linux scheduler to be less desktop-oriented 15:37:50 oleo: To isolate the problem, you'd probably need to expand the list of conditions under which the sound mutes as much as possible. 15:38:11 oleo: As in, find out what other user activities cause the same symptoms. 15:38:30 oh hmmmmmm 15:38:33 but obviously not a lisp issue, since your lisp is probably not touching the sound card 15:38:39 it maybe my fault actually..... 15:39:04 when did lisp introduce "map" and "reduce" 15:39:23 in the 60's ? 15:39:24 i have someone claiming "C++ had this since ages" but i strongly suspect lisp had it first... 15:39:34 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:38 Even before it existed. Reduce came from mathematics. 15:39:43 C++ hasn't had it for that long 15:39:43 especially since lisp predates c++ by 2 decades ? 15:39:49 I'd guess sometime between 1970 and 1980? At least REDUCE. 15:39:58 I think MAP was somewhat older. 15:40:24 Anyway, Lisp had this things before C++. 15:40:31 It depends on what you're asking exactly - whether for a concept or for the particular API. 15:40:56 presumably the concept, if we're doing stupid cross-language comparisons 15:43:51 mapcar i think goes all the way back to the beginning since it's a pretty straightforward parametrization of evlis. reduce, i don't know, but there's at least a form of it in that super parallel 80s lispymachine i'm forgetting the name of. 15:44:02 nilsi_ [~nilsi@46.246.21.49] has joined #lisp 15:44:18 the same thing happens when i'm right-switching to another workspace in wmaker....but much shorter the effect 15:44:35 left-switching back to the original workspace no effect....weird.... 15:44:50 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@46.246.21.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:04 Problem solved: non-Lisp related. :D 15:45:23 jup 15:46:17 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.71] has joined #lisp 15:46:39 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47:39 -!- monokai [~monokai@217-67-201-252.itsa.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:28 Bike: CM-1 and *LISP (StarLISP)? 15:48:38 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.226.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:48:40 cm-1, yeah. 15:48:52 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:48:57 probably reduce is somewhat older, that's just what i can remember. 15:49:16 Reduce can only be parallellized when the operator is associative, though. 15:49:20 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@69.3.174.98] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 15:49:27 The map was always parallel in *LISP 15:50:26 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:51:09 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-74-209-25-247.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:51:16 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:52:34 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:54:22 Reduce was borrowed from APL afaik 15:55:00 that would make sense. 15:55:09 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:55:57 I've always wondered why scan didn't get borrowed with it. 15:56:02 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@2-229-13-115.ip194.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:10 http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP%201.5%20Programmers%20Manual.pdf 15:56:24 Page 20 below. 15:56:36 The bottom of page 20, that is. 15:56:56 Defined as: 15:57:17 maplist[x;fn]=[null[x]->NIL; 15:57:22 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:57:24 T->cons [fn[x];maplis t [cdr [x];fn]]] 15:57:38 Still in M-expressions. :) 15:58:21 The publication is dated to August 1962. 15:59:47 heh 15:59:59 milosn [~milosn@cable-178-149-0-183.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 16:00:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00:19 "Preparing a card deck" 16:01:32 You needed a poker face for operating these old machines. :| :) 16:02:37 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.71] has quit [Quit: zzz...] 16:03:31 -!- kanru` [~kanru@193.214.41.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:42 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:04:09 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 16:05:25 snowylike [~sn@91-67-170-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:09:57 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-31.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:09 -!- eff_ [~quassel@114.246.78.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:10:36 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:15 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:49 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-12-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:12:02 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 16:12:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13:51 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:14:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:15:03 eff_ [~quassel@123.118.173.167] has joined #lisp 16:15:04 gleag: if you want to run this code: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/m-expression/ 16:15:27 I thought the M-expressions have never been formally specified? 16:16:07 As in, even before they managed to specify them, the contemporary lispers had decided that they didn't want to bother. 16:17:18 i think it was before they were implemented, not specified 16:17:39 indeed i don't want to bother actually running lisp 1 definitions 16:17:39 They were specified, but not implemented. Because Russel was faster implementing lisp using only the s-exps :-) 16:17:59 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:18:09 And then everybody agreed that s-exps were superiors to m-exprs, and all the programming languages invented ever since use s-exps. 16:18:27 "The project of defining M-expressions precisely and compiling them or at least translating them into S-expressions was neither finalized nor explicitly abandoned." 16:18:42 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:46 So, "defining them precisely was never finalized". 16:18:53 Which is what I had in mind. :) 16:19:27 All the resources that would have been allocated on parsing and parser generation has been instead allocated to AI, which let to some success, so the AI winter was avoided, and thankfully nowadays we have robots to do all the housecleaning and other menial tasks so we live happily on all the beach of the planet. 16:19:59 Well, I just did, when I implemented m-expression.lisp above 16:20:01 Oops! 16:20:04 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-146-135.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:21:34 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kevtazlzzwdkpcgt] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:34 ggherdov [uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov] has joined #lisp 16:21:34 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:34 ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kevtazlzzwdkpcgt] has joined #lisp 16:25:15 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:26:07 -!- par [~owls@unaffiliated/lordlicorice] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:13 par [~owls@unaffiliated/lordlicorice] has joined #lisp 16:26:42 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:28:07 cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:28:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:28:33 clhs compile 16:28:33 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_cmp.htm 16:30:41 mv2devnul [~markv@host-206-54-202-223.entouch.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:55 -!- benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f240:f43b:c24b:904b:a216] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:12 well add the slicing and dicing stuff there then.... 18:04:23 oddl it's called clhs.el or so 18:04:24 Also, one would get netter tooltips for function parameters etc. 18:04:35 "better" 18:04:56 And I'm sure I'll come up with a lot of other uses. :) 18:05:11 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-085.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:14 ya you have to parse html 18:05:17 basically.... 18:05:45 to get the code....and represent it like you want..... 18:05:49 no, there are other versions 18:06:06 you can't legally do whatever you like with it 18:06:43 Oh sure I can, as long as it's my private business. 18:07:00 well locally he can, if he wants to publish it he has to assure he obeys it's licensing... 18:07:47 afaik emacs and emacs library stuff should be gnu/gpl 18:08:07 gleag: http://users-phys.au.dk/harder/dpans.html 18:08:19 oleo: clhs is not under gpl 18:08:23 oleo: Well, if the conversion process is algorithmizable (?), I'd never have to distribute any of the copyrighted texts. 18:08:34 gleag: and i think pjb has some half-done machine readable clhs thingie 18:09:48 stassats`: What does GPL have to do with it? 18:10:03 nothing, oleo brought it up because that's what oleo does 18:10:15 i don't really buy that distributing a way to modify some copyrighted work is not a derivative work in itself 18:11:11 dpans3 is the thing to use to start such a work. 18:11:19 "consult your lawyer" 18:11:41 ah yes 18:11:48 dpans is good 18:12:01 except that it doesn't have hyperlinks 18:12:10 ianclarksmith [~ianclarks@ool-18bf6d86.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:10 -!- ianclarksmith is now known as ics 18:12:39 stassats`: There's no reason to assume that it is in the general case. 18:12:58 Otherwise a "capitalize string" routine would be illegal to distribute, for example. 18:13:47 (Anyway, I know my rights - I've read the Czech Copyright Act 121/2000 Sb. from top to bottom. :-)) 18:14:35 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19:50:36 for example I run a hunchentoot server instance, I want to kill it and run another 19:50:51 I need to kill the first to free up the port 19:51:10 M-x slime-list-threads 19:51:16 thanks! 19:51:42 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:52:11 works like a charm with k :) 19:52:27 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-195-159.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:49 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-170-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:55:14 -!- genkinodenki [~migrayn@dsl-vntbrasgw1-50dc7f-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:56:34 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:32 k0001_ [~k0001@host18.186-108-162.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:59:15 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:00:23 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [] 20:00:41 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host155.186-124-2.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:01:04 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: happening closed by unauthorized reason] 20:03:05 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:11 Shinmera [~linus@80.77.87.239] has joined #lisp 20:03:48 -!- mprentice [~mprentice@wr-130-64-42-22.boston.tufts.edu] has quit [Quit: Ciao] 20:04:15 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:35 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:02 francogrex [~user@239.163-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:08:09 here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138911 20:08:43 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:08:47 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-007-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:09:02 now I have to find a way to use lisp directly instead of going through a c program 20:14:15 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 20:14:21 malkomalko [~malkomalk@66-234-38-99.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:31 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:14:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:03 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:19 Why? 20:17:45 /join ##asm 20:18:01 look I poked hex code directly to memory and executed it: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138911 20:18:07 -!- andy_arvid [~user@201.3.37.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:10 big deal 20:18:23 wait why ? just for fun 20:18:49 why should #lisp know about your assembly escapades? 20:19:36 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-007-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:55 learning assembly is interesting and important, but is not really related to lisp 20:19:57 the interest here would be just in ia-x86 library (movitz) maube 20:20:41 the other things are not useful. Only if a lisp equivalent to the C program is found 20:20:50 stassats`: try removing all the VOPs from your SBCL. :) 20:21:24 gleag: try saying something relevant 20:21:36 I just did. 20:21:43 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@ip-64-134-234-197.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:10 Apparently, it is the case that most CL implementations have their own assembler implementations. 20:22:21 Well, at least those worth actually using! 20:22:31 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.223] has joined #lisp 20:22:35 but stassats` is right. This is not directly related to lisp with the exception of the library. It was written 9 years ago I don't think it's being used really 20:22:42 Although I must admit that francogrex 's approach seems extremely dirty. 20:23:16 francogrex: I think it's better to work along the grain of your CL impl and not against it. 20:23:45 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:24:18 gleag: this is supposed to be impl independent (only architecture important here) 20:24:33 Hmm. 20:25:08 Frankly, I can see myself move accross architectures more often than across implementations. 20:26:48 Aramur [~arare@213.Red-79-156-36.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:49 gleag: regardless of the architecture, one can learn a lot from examining movitz src 20:27:17 maybe you can modify it to suit your needs. 20:27:31 Especially about the bus factor. 20:28:08 though I haven't heard anyone actually having used movitz. Iw as also surpised to know that nicodemus also contributed to it in the early days 20:28:18 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 20:30:00 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-kccqqlwpamjwxwku] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:30:04 swflint-tab [~swflint@fsf/member/swflint] has joined #lisp 20:30:27 flyspell-mode 20:30:27 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.190.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:53 a lot of spelling mistakes 20:31:08 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.190.130] has joined #lisp 20:31:18 Why are you trying to conjure insects here? We don't like bugs. 20:32:22 *gleag* is mightily surprised that the ClozureCL IDE actually runs on Windows. 20:33:44 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:37:23 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.67.150.3] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:38:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:40:14 I didn't even know it had a windows IDE. all from emacs 20:41:21 foreclosure 20:41:47 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has joined #lisp 20:44:06 It uses Cocotron on Windows. 20:45:07 Which is sort of stale, but somehow it still works. 20:45:44 ltbarcly [~textual@64.196.191.129] has joined #lisp 20:48:18 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 20:48:43 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 20:49:43 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 20:50:04 travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has joined #lisp 20:50:28 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] 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"day" "\n" "goodbye" "cruel" "world") what's an elegant way to split it into separate lists wherever an item EQUALs "\n", so this would become: (("hello" "world") ("what" "a" "glorious" "day") ("goodbye" "cruel" "world")) 23:03:04 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-085.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:49 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:16 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 23:05:39 robot-beethoven: (split-sequence:split-sequence "\n" '("hello" "world" "\n" "what" "a" "glorious" "day" "\n" "goodbye" "cruel" "world") :test #'equal) 23:05:48 naturally 23:06:04 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:06 FIY "\n" == "n" 23:07:05 -!- francis [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07:42 stassats: thanks! 23:10:18 -!- add^_ [~user@m37-3-55-160.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: 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inside a div tag 23:28:01 stassats`: bummer :( 23:28:15 is there one that doesnt correct? 23:28:30 I'm not locked to CHTML 23:28:49 you want to use it as a filter? 23:29:11 I want to take random site HTML and parse it for text nodes 23:29:48 then why do you care about correcting? 23:29:58 in ruby I would do "NokoGiri::HTML(uri).search('text()')" that would give a parsed doc and all text nodes within it 23:30:04 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:13 because I have to replace them later and regenerate original html :( 23:30:28 replace the text nodes that is 23:31:04 using CHTML kills original and styles no longer apply 23:31:18 -!- rainyman [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:36 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:00 CHTML takes the style that within the div tag and makes it span tag instead :( 23:33:00 w3c validator does indeed show it is bad to do so, but it still renders correctly on all browsers (the HTML is out of my control) 23:34:19 My test page that is breaking is http://www.nytimes.com, but can be any random site 23:35:45 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:16 Anyone have any ideas? My need is HTML => parsed => replace text nodes => generate HTML, and the generated html has to render same as original (styles, js, etc all unaltered). CHTML is very close except it changes the HTML if its bad and thus the styles for http://www.nytimes.com dont render correctly since it is no longer a style tag but instead it becomes a span tag :( 23:40:41 use that ruby thing? 23:41:05 ya, thats what it is originally written in, but wanted to try and do next gen version in LISP 23:41:12 Lisp 23:41:23 *not sure why autocorrect made it all caps :( 23:41:29 *stassats`* pulls the finger off the trigger just in time 23:41:42 stassats`: haha 23:42:21 -!- tylergoza [~tylergoza@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:04 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has joined #lisp 23:44:31 -!- agumonkey [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:06 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:46:40 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:15 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.190.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:46 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:43 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:50:48 -!- catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:11 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has joined #lisp 23:59:06 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59:56 -!- maxter [~maxter@recordness.overtime.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]