00:03:09 nightshade427: i found it hard to guess what kind of data structures were in effect. 00:03:17 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:03:44 Xach: Indeed, adding doc strings now. Any other suggestions? 00:09:19 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:09:48 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10:45 I'll check again when the docstrings are there. 00:11:21 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:16:18 -!- seangrov` [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:19:36 -!- Hydan [~Adium@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:26 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:26 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27:01 -!- blackwol` [~blackwolf@69.116.232.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:27:17 -!- MadMao [~fable@177.156.60.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27:29 ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 00:35:29 didi [~user@177.195.134.102] 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morning. :-) 11:22:25 ohhh haha 11:22:26 ACK 11:22:49 i thought it meant "sort of hungover" 11:22:54 ETX 11:22:55 MoALTz [~no@host-92-6-97-203.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 11:22:55 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 11:23:12 :( 11:23:16 (couldn't resist) 11:23:21 hehe 11:23:44 minion: what does ETX stand for? 11:23:44 Entotic Tench Xanthone 11:23:55 man ascii 11:23:55 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man7/ascii.7.html 11:24:00 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:24:13 Insufficient. 11:24:18 End of Text or something like that. 11:24:37 no, it's what minion said 11:24:45 May be that. 11:24:59 minion: are you telling the truth? 11:24:59 yes 11:25:07 Fail. 11:25:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-of-text_character 11:26:25 Yeah, character... 11:29:48 Ah, stassats, I assume we haven't finished discussion about comparison and cycles and consing and stuff that was the day before yesterday because I felt that I need to go to bed. 11:30:47 eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 11:31:19 maybe 11:34:31 Here's the last version: http://94.137.40.198:8080/. I added jsown and completely changed all graphs. 11:34:44 eeezkil_ [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 11:35:14 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:23 jsown has some timings wit 0ms 11:35:26 with 11:35:36 which isn't really helpful 11:35:44 I explained it at the start of section. 11:35:52 It means jsown refused to process such data. 11:36:14 why not say N/A? 11:37:02 and have you contacted madnificent with the problems? 11:37:07 Because then I need to rewrite half of my code^USounds reasonable. 11:37:09 -!- eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:37:19 No, I haven't yet. 11:39:35 and nowhere does it state on which implementation you are running this 11:39:39 -!- eeezkil_ is now known as eeezkil 11:39:53 Ah, yeah. 11:40:20 things that are faster on sbcl may not necessarily be faster elsewhere 11:41:04 Should I add results for different implementations then? 11:41:22 if you wish 11:41:52 but it'd be to cluttered, maybe you could switch graphs with some JS 11:42:07 with buttons underneath SBCL CCL ABCL etc. 11:42:13 I'm just concerned that there are lots of images. 11:42:24 Hm, JS can be useful there, sure. 11:42:28 I'll do that too. 11:42:43 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:15 What are most popular implementations nowadays? 11:43:31 SBCL, CLisp, CCL? 11:43:38 ASau` [~user@p5797F0F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:44:04 why not test ABCL and ECL too? 11:44:29 I need to compile them all... 11:46:09 gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 11:46:45 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF9774A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:48:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:49:05 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 11:52:39 nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 11:53:44 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 11:56:39 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:59:06 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:00:05 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:02:32 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75e1f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:03:32 Weird. 12:03:32 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 12:03:46 461168601842738790 this is the biggest number jsown can process, does it mean anything to you? 12:04:10 the number of the beast! 12:04:11 it's #x666666666666666 12:04:25 Lol 12:04:41 Oh shi. 12:04:52 hitecnologys: very nice. just read your comparitive analysis. :-) 12:05:19 samebchase: I'm going to add tests for different implementations soon. 12:05:31 oh good 12:06:56 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 12:10:01 jsown surely excels at selling wide monitors, with 222-character wide lines 12:11:51 Yeah, looks that way. 12:11:53 -!- eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has quit [] 12:12:03 eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 12:12:43 the problem is in (declare (type fixnum whole-number)) 12:13:06 Hm. 12:13:39 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:40 it's easy to be fast and incorrect 12:14:19 with (declare (type integer whole-number)), (jsown:parse "[111111111111111111111111111111111]") => (111111111111111111111111111111111) 12:15:01 also, (safety 0) 12:15:21 Should this be safety 3? 12:15:41 no safety declartion at all 12:15:59 Ah. 12:15:59 i wouldn't trust a piece of software which was globally compiled with (safety 0) 12:17:16 and which had 292-character wide lines 12:17:56 Updated an issue: https://github.com/madnificent/jsown/issues/3# 12:19:17 with safety > 0, it would at least throw an error on large numbers, instead of returning bogus numbers 12:20:13 safety 0 is reserved only for when you're absolutely sure that everything is correct and the input types are guaranteed to be as specified 12:21:57 -!- eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has quit [] 12:21:59 and #x666666666666666 is not the largest number, the largest number it can parse is most-positive-fixnum 12:22:25 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:23:04 Hm. 12:24:21 (= most-positive-fixnum #x666666666666666) => t 12:24:34 are you sure? 12:25:02 oO 12:25:22 it'd be pretty stupid to have such a most-positive-fixnum 12:25:54 Triple checked. 12:26:04 =| 12:26:25 (- most-positive-fixnum 4611686018427387903) => 0 12:26:30 which implementation? 12:26:42 eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 12:27:24 4611686018427387903 is not #x666666666666666 12:27:46 Ah, yeah. 12:28:04 I probably made a typo, lol. 12:28:27 when you pasted 461168601842738790, you forgot 3 12:28:44 Yeah. 12:29:37 -!- eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:04 The hardest part begins: compiling clisp, ccl, abcl and ecl. 12:30:04 eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 12:30:53 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 12:32:54 hitecnologys: why is that hard? 12:33:40 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.241] has joined #lisp 12:35:10 loke_: compiling compilers usually takes a lot of time. 12:36:19 hitecnologys: Compiling SBCL takes 7 minutes, last I did it 12:36:29 maybe it was closer to 10 12:36:50 Last time I compiled sbcl it took about half an hour. 12:36:53 the others aren't much different 12:37:03 And compiling GCC takes 6 hours for me. 12:37:14 -!- eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:22 what kind of machine to do you have? Raspberry? 12:37:33 Nope, laptop. 12:37:35 compiling sbcl takes 3.5 minutes here 12:37:45 bitonic [~user@cpe-68-173-125-35.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:37:48 With all features enabled? 12:37:59 yes 12:38:04 ... 12:38:19 4 minutes on the laptop 12:38:27 Weird. 12:38:27 *loke_* is recoming right now to see exactly hos long it takes 12:38:55 hitecnologys: what kind of machine do you have? 12:39:25 loke_: Linux HiTECNOLOGYs-PC 3.10.7-gentoo #1 SMP Fri Aug 23 03:32:27 OMST 2013 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux 12:39:36 veer [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:42 eeezkil [~NickServ@78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 12:39:52 i'm also using a specially compiled sbcl with (safety 0) (speed 3), to squeeze an additional 10 seconds 12:39:58 hitecnologys: are you sure there's no throttling? 12:40:00 -!- veer is now known as Guest16888 12:40:22 Maybe that time something just went wrong. 12:40:40 my laptop has a slighter slower cpu 12:40:58 i5-2520M 12:41:01 Hm. 12:41:07 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41:29 *hitecnologys* started compilation 12:41:31 maybe yours overheats and throttles 12:41:32 real 3m8.318s 12:41:34 done 12:41:42 back 12:43:12 or you're pegging it 800MHz or something 12:45:29 isn't there some tool that shows the throttling in realtime? 12:46:10 idk 12:46:42 loke_: watch grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo 12:46:54 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:12 -!- bitonic [~user@cpe-68-173-125-35.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47:39 Yeah, that works too. 12:49:28 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@75-142-59-12.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:49:29 Well, sudo emerge sbcl 363.77s 12:49:50 -!- Guest16888 [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53:50 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@75-142-59-12.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53:52 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:58:20 bitonic [~user@cpe-68-173-125-35.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:00 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-6-97-203.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:03:12 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:34 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 13:05:50 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-31-141.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:38 Guest16888 [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:23 LiamH [~none@96.231.222.26] has joined #lisp 13:14:38 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B20C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:40 how do I use djula? 13:16:04 The docs/examples use a function which I don't have, probably an old version? 13:21:11 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 13:23:21 what is it?