00:00:13 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:13 pjb: Maybe I'm going about this thing wrong, but how can I have the class passed to MAKE-INSTANCE be a value returned by a function? 00:02:47 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:02:47 (make-instance (compute-the-class)) 00:02:52 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 00:03:20 pjb: tried that 00:03:26 and? 00:03:28 Try: (defun compute-the-class () (if (zerop (random 2)) 'circle 'rectangle)) (defclass circle () ()) (defclass rectangle () ()) (make-instance (compute-the-class)) 00:04:25 my (compute-the-class) is (getf *tiles* :road) for instance 00:04:37 which returns 'sprite-tile 00:05:11 so what's not workin. 00:05:28 So you need a class named sprite-tile 00:05:33 (defclass sprite-tile () ()) 00:05:38 (make-instance (compute-the-class)) 00:05:40 I have that 00:06:06 and what do you get for (class-of (make-instance (compute-the-class))) ? 00:06:07 Can you skip ahead to showing us a paste and error or something? 00:06:22 rotwatsb [~stephen@cpe-72-229-225-244.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:06:25 ".. no applicable method ... when called with ('SPRITE-TILE)." 00:06:51 There's a quote too many there. 00:07:01 so, it truly returns 'sprite-tile 00:07:06 (getf *tiles* :road) should return sprite-tile, not 'sprite-tile. 00:07:25 yes indeed 00:07:27 thanks! 00:07:28 TryL (setf (getf *tiles* :road) 'sprite-tile) and do it again. 00:07:31 you probably have '(:road 'sprite-tile) 00:07:36 should be '(:road sprite-tile) 00:07:40 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:07:54 or that. 00:08:29 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:08:37 Thanks. It was the quote. 00:09:29 Kenjin: the point here is that you should dissociate the quote from the objects. It's not 'sprite-tile, it's the symbol sprite-tile. Even if you often have to quote the symbol when you use it in expression where it should not be evaluated as a variable, the quote doesn't belong to the object. It's an operator that's here just to prevent evaluating the symbol as a variable. 00:09:44 When you put the symbol in a literal list, there's no reason to have a quote. 00:10:00 pjb: understood 00:10:49 Have a nice day! 00:11:08 :) 00:12:07 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 00:15:14 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15:21 -!- seangrove [~user@75-101-100-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:16:39 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 00:22:13 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 00:22:26 -!- cory786 [~cory@2600:1009:b001:2e04:223:4dff:fe00:a13e] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:23:09 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:26:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:30:46 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 00:37:56 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-35-222-59.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:56 ISF__ [~ivan@201.82.138.219] has joined #lisp 00:38:45 -!- igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@71-219-128-48.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:41:15 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 00:50:09 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:51:05 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:51:14 ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 00:53:54 Is there something that screams bad idea with using quickload for asdf's test-op? 00:54:10 you mean, using quickload in a test-op method? 00:56:00 yes 00:56:14 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:21 yes, that screams bad idea, because the entire point of asdf is specifying dependencies more declaratively 00:56:24 gr4nf [~gr4nf@190.86.177.25] has joined #lisp 00:56:32 you can have a test-op depend on a system. 00:57:21 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:00 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 00:58:22 quickload inside .asd doesn't make the slightest sense 00:59:24 From what I see, people define their tests in other asd files and and asdf also finds them (which doesn't seem to work for me) or just in define the test in the same asd which is what I'm thinking of doing. 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I put it in my export and then my other package has the package which export it its :use clause but when I evaluate some function which uses that type it says the type is undefined? 10:20:42 ignore me 10:20:46 done it 10:23:17 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:28:04 -!- paul0 [~paul0@187.112.78.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:56 paul0 [~paul0@187.112.78.69] has joined #lisp 10:31:16 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-155-80.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 10:31:19 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 10:32:04 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:36:48 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:37:08 -!- nilly_ [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:37:44 add^_ [~user@m37-3-55-160.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:38:24 nilly [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] 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connection] 10:49:20 stassats: I see, interesting. 10:50:01 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 10:50:50 -!- nilly_ [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:52:27 is there something in CL to change a vector of integers to a string? 10:52:45 built-in, I mean, being lazy here 10:54:10 in what fashion? 10:54:41 nilly [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:54 (map 'string #'digit-char #(1 2 3 4)) => "1234" 10:55:20 (map 'string #'code-char #(50 51 52)) => "234" 10:55:28 yep, that one 10:55:41 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-sdktxjovlcabxdpf] has joined #lisp 10:55:44 oh cool, map takes a sequence type to output? 10:55:54 that which? 10:56:02 no, i'm just pulling your leg 10:56:03 (map 'string #'code-char #(50 51 52)) => "234" 10:56:11 that's so FKN cool 10:56:21 are you sure that the encoding is correct? 10:56:36 stassats: it's from sb-md5, so I just need to make a 'human-readable' md5 10:56:38 so yeah, it's fine 10:56:40 code-char usually works with unicode code-points, but there's no guarantee 10:56:47 No, it's not unicode 10:56:58 well, you could have said so from the beginning about sb-md5 10:56:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:57:01 sorry 10:57:04 X-Y problem? 10:57:07 probably 10:57:21 so there's a better way to get the digest? 10:58:04 (format nil "~{~2,'0x~}" (coerce (sb-md5:md5sum-string "abcdef") 'list)) => "E80B5017098950FC58AAD83C8C14978E" 10:58:23 hmm 10:58:35 not a format guru, but ~{...~} is iterate 10:58:53 (map 'string #'code-char #(50 51 52)) isn't going to give you an md5 string 10:59:20 (map 'string #'code-char (sb-md5:md5sum-file thefile)) ? 10:59:30 no, that's not going to work 10:59:38 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 11:00:03 hmm, no, it's not 11:00:10 what i showed you will 11:00:19 ok, need to understand it though 11:00:24 there can be some efficiency improvements to it, if you really 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fractional coordinates 13:55:28 Here's the code http://paste.lisp.org/display/138562 13:55:46 Fractional? You mean 3/2 instead of 1.5? 13:55:59 no, 1.5 works as a fractional too 13:56:33 It's allowed? Wow. 13:57:05 what is? 13:57:28 I thought only integer coordinates work. 13:57:59 nope, non-integral numbers force lines to fall on the pixels 13:58:05 but it's always tricky 13:58:51 i have (defun thin-line (x) (- (ceiling x) .5)) in my code 14:00:17 I don't really get what does "fall on the pixels" mean. Could you explain it somehow? 14:01:03 i don't get it either 14:01:07 it just works 14:01:10 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 So, I need to write 30.0 instead of 30, right? 14:01:40 -!- add^_ [~user@m37-3-55-160.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:01:48 no, 30.5 14:01:52 or 29.5 14:01:53 not sure 14:01:55 Ah. 14:01:59 Got it. 14:02:22 i think when drawing a line 2 pixels wide it tries to center it on a single pixel, fails, and uses antialising or whatchacalit 14:03:13 Yeah, looks that way. 14:03:32 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:04:18 Xach should make a vecto faq for this 14:04:37 I'm trying to find a computer graphics page that explains it. I've seen one before somewhere. 14:05:38 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:53 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-129.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:57 Does this look better http://gm4.in/i/efb.png? 14:08:08 hitecnologys: you could probably use a rectangle instead of a line 14:08:08 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:58 i need a ruler 14:09:57 and what will you do when the labels are too wide? 14:10:22 Nothing. I hope they won't be such wide. =P 14:11:29 100 ms is still crooked 14:12:13 Hm. I have no idea how to make it better then. 14:12:52 I tried different values but other values move 500 and 700 too much. 14:12:55 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:13:16 1 is thin, maybe the bounding box is calculated wrongly 14:13:53 _d3f [~gnu@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 14:13:58 I could try increasing gap between columns. 14:14:44 But first I should solve problem with fixed maximum size of labels. 14:15:25 w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp 14:16:02 i did centering myself when i was drawing such things 14:16:19 shaungilchrist [~chatzilla@c-67-182-222-192.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:29 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-140-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:04 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:55 Gooder [~Gooder@125.37.180.118] has joined #lisp 14:18:38 Oh crap, s/could/can. 14:20:03 Writing my own centering sounds like a good idea. 14:21:17 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.89.48] has joined #lisp 14:21:17 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.89.48] has quit [Changing host] 14:21:17 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 14:21:17 i had a routine which did the specified alignment of each dimension 14:23:34 Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 14:24:03 and i have (+ (/ (- (xmax bbox) (xmin bbox)) 2.0) (xmin bbox)) for centering, while vecto has just (/ (- (xmax bbox) (xmin bbox)) 2.0) 14:24:23 changing that in quicklisp seems to make your code better 14:24:31 errr 14:24:32 in vecto 14:24:41 i'm mixing Xach projects in my head 14:24:54 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:26:07 Xach: i think that's a bug in vecto 14:27:00 Sounds likely. Where's that bit? 14:27:08 %draw-centered-string 14:27:13 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:30 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD3CE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:29:37 now to understand why it works 14:29:55 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:30:11 The code looks right to me in context. Hmm. 14:30:36 ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:52 -!- ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:24 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 14:32:41 yeah, and yet it makes it more centered, and i'm trying to figure out why 14:32:54 It can help to draw lots of boxes and lines! 14:33:15 yeah, i think i did when i come up with this formula 14:33:22 but that was a couple of years ago 14:33:36 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:52 and i'm too lazy do to that now, easier to think hard 14:35:05 I will leave it in your capable neurons 14:35:31 100 is a bit more centered now but 500 and 700 are not http://gm4.in/i/efc.png 14:35:49 hitecnologys: after what? 14:35:54 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has joined #lisp 14:35:57 I moved a bit more. 14:36:00 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:01 have you tried the change i described? 14:36:07 Not yet. 14:36:21 in vecto::%draw-centered-string, add (xmin bbox) to width/2 14:36:51 Aha, I see. 14:37:12 and i guess revert your subsequent workarounds 14:37:15 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:37:22 to see how well it works 14:37:34 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:50 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:38:31 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has joined #lisp 14:38:56 I can't find the function. What's the name of file? 14:39:03 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:39:04 ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has joined #lisp 14:39:18 Xach: maybe that's because you start drawing the string from 0x, so that's why you need to subtract xmin from the origin 14:39:36 Ah, found. 14:41:26 Looks like stassats is right about the fix. See for yourself: http://gm4.in/i/efd.png 14:41:51 For me it looks like perfectly centered. 14:42:41 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 14:43:07 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:11 It's centered, isn't it? 14:43:26 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:43:34 *stassats* whips out his ruler 14:43:53 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:44:17 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 14:46:01 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:17 foom2 [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 14:46:18 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:46:54 faust45 [~faust45@26-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:04 yeah, the ruler says it's perfectly centered 14:47:05 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:13 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:23 That's good. 14:47:38 What else needs fixing? 14:47:50 blurring of the top of the bars 14:48:29 Xach: i'm not sure what needs to be fixed, drawing of strings or centering 14:49:09 if strings were drawn from xmin, not from 0, then the formula would be correct 14:49:30 I have no idea how to fix that. Again. 14:50:17 stassats: i suspect the drawing. where is that started from 0? 14:50:19 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-sdktxjovlcabxdpf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:50:25 -!- foom2 [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:36 don't know, just looks like it does 14:50:49 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51:42 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 14:51:49 -!- sylecn [~user@113.106.251.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:55 hitecnologys: (ceiling column-top) seems to work 14:53:12 ed_g [~quassel@75-164-245-169.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:31 That's because of fractional coordinates, right? 14:53:38 -!- faust45 [~faust45@26-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: faust45] 14:53:46 right 14:53:55 but in this case not because of thin lines 14:54:03 Antialiasing? 14:54:21 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:54:24 no, there's just no fractional pixels, so it tries to fake it with antialiasing 14:54:37 Got it. 14:54:41 and rather (ceiling (+ 30 (* (/ 170 max-value) value))) 14:54:47 so that the labels are adjusted too 14:55:16 well, i suggest to measure all the spaces in gimp 14:56:44 I have grid in feh, looks like spaces are all the same. 14:57:51 http://gm4.in/i/efe.png that's how i measured it 14:58:09 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58:21 resttime [~rest@99.135.190.144] has joined #lisp 14:59:08 Here's latest version http://gm4.in/i/eff.png 14:59:42 ok, nothing now seems out of the way 15:00:01 except maybe font rendering is not perfect, but that's a whole another story 15:00:18 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:01:19 http://paste.lisp.org/display/138562#1 15:01:35 Anyone here that manages the CFFI repo? https://github.com/cffi/cffi/pull/30 15:02:32 -!- Gooder [~Gooder@125.37.180.118] has quit [Quit: Gooder] 15:02:43 coreytrevor [~ma@95.211.169.45] has joined #lisp 15:03:00 Xach: on the other hand, changing how the strings are drawn will break existing code 15:03:20 -!- ed_g [~quassel@75-164-245-169.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:24 though changing how centering is done can break it too 15:05:08 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:06:07 i also wouldn't mind some testers https://github.com/resttime/cffi 15:06:39 Is yason a lot newer than cl-json? 15:07:50 I see 2 years difference in licenses but can I trust this data? 15:07:58 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:14:40 Wait a second. Xach did you told me about survey and summary yesterday? 15:16:44 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138563 http://gm4.in/i/efh.png 15:17:22 the bottom one is drawn with draw-string and there's a space between the line, but the baseline is on the line correctly 15:17:59 subtracting xmin bbox draws it on the line 15:19:04 Forget json, use sexps. 15:19:16 turbopape [~turbopape@41.230.43.118] has joined #lisp 15:19:29 hitecnologys: you were supposed to write it 15:20:01 stassats: oh, ok, I just thought that I misunderstood something. I'm working on it then. 15:20:03 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:20:13 kanru` [~kanru@114-42-29-246.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:13 Xach: if "The glyph origin of the first character in the string is positioned at x" implies that, then it's centering that should be changed 15:21:28 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@h-69-3-174-99.lsan.ca.megapath.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:51 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 15:24:38 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 15:25:21 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 15:25:29 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.210] has joined #lisp 15:26:14 ok 15:26:16 or if xmin of bounding boxes is always 0, then the code which consults it wouldn't break, though things expecting this space to be drawn will break 15:26:18 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:26 xmin of bounding boxes can often be negative 15:26:34 e.g. with italics or j or other things 15:27:01 -!- turbopape [~turbopape@41.230.43.118] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:27:08 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:11 it can also be positive 15:27:39 -!- joj581 [~joj581@89.204.138.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:29:33 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:10 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:30:33 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:31:25 joj581 [~joj581@89.204.138.70] has joined #lisp 15:33:37 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 15:33:50 how could I format this so it doesn't look like a steaming pile of dung? https://gist.github.com/AeroNotix/6296006 15:33:53 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:33:54 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 15:35:15 -!- antgreen [~green@216.254.163.111] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:35:56 AeroNotix: well, for a start you could not use concatenate in a format call 15:36:16 This doesn't seem to be the most efficient way of loading an array of uint32 from a file . I know `read-sequence' can do it efficiently, but I couldn't figure out how to make it produce an array of uint32. Someone care to take a look at it? 15:36:17 Xach: j seems to be drawn ok 15:36:30 though the central line does not fall on the pixel 15:36:38 but it's tight to the line 15:36:47 not the line, the crooked part 15:37:09 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:45 Ah, the uint32 are bigendian. 15:38:39 dlowe: heh, yeah 15:38:52 the efficient way on x86 would be loading it directly and then bswap on it 15:39:03 didi: the format of unsigned-bytes on disk isn't specified, though it is specified that an implementation should be able to read-sequence what it previously wrote-sequence on. 15:39:18 didi: in practice, (unsigned-byte 8) streams correspond to what you'd expect 15:39:33 so you could de facto portably load vectors of those and convert 15:39:43 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:15 draw-tight makes things more thick 15:40:45 due the lack of hinting, probably 15:41:12 I understand that the lisp style favors long function names, but concatenate really takes the cake 15:41:41 dlowe: not the name, but having to specify output type 15:41:58 I'm not bothered by that on, say, map 15:43:28 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:00 -!- setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:44:03 didi: read-sequence doesn't produce arrays. It fills vectors. 15:44:15 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:44:23 (let ((us (make-array 10 :element-type 'uint32))) (read-sequence us stream)) 15:44:24 vectors? fills lists just fine 15:44:33 right, it fills sequences. 15:45:33 endianness could be a parameter embedded into the :external-format for binary streams. But I don't know any implementation doing that. 15:46:18 faust45 [~faust45@26-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:51 (with-open-file (stream "data" :element-type 'uint32 :external-format '(:endian :big :header (bits 42) :records (bits 56))) (read-sequence us stream)) 15:47:02 Xach: seems like starting drawing from xmin substracted produces the best result, at least that's how i would interperted "origin of the first character in the string 15:47:02 is positioned at x" 15:47:30 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:33 -!- joj581 [~joj581@89.204.138.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:48:18 stassats: well, the origin of a glyph is not the position of its leftmost extent 15:48:33 stassats: it is an artistic design feature 15:48:50 well, it is a number, but its value is art, not math 15:48:59 resttime: I think your patch is more ambitious that it needs to be 15:49:02 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-129.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:08 and if you want to draw it exactly? 15:49:20 the xmin is the position of its leftmost extent 15:49:42 resttime: at least on sbcl 1.1.8, the fix is just to remove the #-win32's for the stream argument, since outputting to a stream seems to work just fine 15:49:46 it works for me having to deal with bounding boxes manually, but they are not export, nor documented 15:49:58 exported 15:50:02 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:50:17 No? Hmm. 15:50:46 I use vectometry almost exclusively. I should complete it and merge with vecto. I think it has more complete exported functionality. 15:50:51 xmin/xmax accessors aren't exported 15:51:50 then what about centering? should it be artistic? 15:51:52 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@h-69-3-174-99.lsan.ca.megapath.net] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 15:52:08 because what hitecnologys showed initially wasn't artistic at all 15:52:47 horizontally, probably, vertically, possibly not? 15:52:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:53:51 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:16 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:22 foritude: really? I'm just reproducing what the code that doesn't work does 15:54:32 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:54:37 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:38 I suppose there should be easy ways to do any alignment you wish. 15:54:48 hi 15:55:03 i guess i'll check it again 15:55:13 resttime: I may have spoke a bit too soon, but :cffi-libffi quickloads ok 15:55:43 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:55:50 font rendering is hard 15:56:34 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:56:52 fortitude: that's good to know 15:56:52 yes. and i am not even bothering to do non-western-european stuff 15:57:41 if vecto exported and made easy doing exactly whatever is wanted, then it'd be less problematic 15:57:53 no doubt! someone should do that! 15:58:48 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:27 i had implemented arbitrary alignment, on top/bottom/left/right and rotated by arbitrary number of degrees 15:59:46 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:00:08 I had something like that too. It would align to any side of a given rectangle. 16:00:10 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 16:00:17 in, out, over, under, left, right, center, etc. 16:00:28 above below? 16:00:37 something like that. 16:00:45 and relative to corners and side centers. 16:00:52 yeah 16:01:11 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-140-77.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:02:10 sunwukong [~vukung@78.139.2.103] has joined #lisp 16:03:04 -!- sunwukong [~vukung@78.139.2.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:42 and relative to baseline, mean line, etc 16:04:43 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05:27 -!- seggy [c6fce60f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.252.230.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:06:13 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:36 Sounds great. 16:06:52 fortitude: i spoke a little too soon too. with changes, the code to now be practically the exact same behavior 16:06:58 Now somebody should implement it. 16:07:00 aside from the little stream reading in the middle 16:07:21 also, hinting and sub-pixel rendering 16:08:17 -!- AeroNotix [~aero@nat/hp/x-epofzyphqbdpfsvd] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 16:09:35 though sub-pixel should stay away from produced images, since they can be on a different display 16:09:40 cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:10:59 sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has joined #lisp 16:10:59 -!- sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has quit [Changing host] 16:10:59 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:12:05 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 16:12:46 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 16:14:07 -!- w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:19 stassats, Xach, ogamita: Thank you. Maybe I should `read-sequence' the whole file as (unsigned-byte 8) and then collapse each 4 bytes into a uint32 using `ldb'. 16:15:24 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:15:45 you read by 4 bytes instead 16:17:06 stassats: Like in (with-open-file (in path :element-type '(unsigned-byte 32) ...))? 16:17:22 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17:26 no, (unsigned-byte 8) but doing four read-byte 16:17:43 stassats: That is what I'm doing, I think. 16:18:10 '(unsigned-byte 32) is endianness-dependent 16:18:15 I see. 16:18:45 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:18:51 but there's swap-bytes for that 16:19:18 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:20:24 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:59 on x86-64 you can even do read, '(unsigned-byte 64) then use swap-bytes-64 on %vector-raw-bits 16:21:00 wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:38 but you'll need to swap 32-bit parts then 16:22:25 -!- gr4nf [~gr4nf@190.86.177.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:38 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:23:25 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:05 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-98-246-180-47.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24:47 normanrichards [~normanric@166.147.67.129] has joined #lisp 16:24:58 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 16:25:46 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 16:25:54 void64 [~luke@37.212.111.109] has joined #lisp 16:26:06 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:27:07 no, reading 64 bytes will incur boxing 16:28:11 -!- wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:59 joj581 [~joj581@89.204.138.70] has joined #lisp 16:33:46 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:02 -!- kanru` [~kanru@114-42-29-246.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:04 antgreen [~green@out-on-250.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:19 wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:23 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:36:38 -!- void64 [~luke@37.212.111.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:17 didi: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138565#1 16:37:35 err 16:37:43 should be '(unsigned-byte 32) in the first case 16:38:22 stassats: Thank you. 16:38:44 didi: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138565#2 16:38:52 -!- sz0 [~user@92.44.62.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:21 swap-bytes is optimized on sbcl and ccl on x86/x86-64 16:39:28 on other platforms results may be not as good 16:39:42 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:44 and it's only twice as fast 16:40:26 but if it were a big-endian platform, it'd be even faster 16:42:25 AeroNotix [~xeno@abot88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:43:26 -!- joj581 [~joj581@89.204.138.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:31 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:52 didi: and just for posterity, with my own I/O streams: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138565#3 16:44:40 now, that's 14 times faster, not just twice 16:45:01 stassats: :^D 16:46:09 -!- wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:19 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:28 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50:05 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:14 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-250.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:30 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:52:01 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:27 -!- paul0 [~paul0@187.112.78.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:54 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:54:31 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:55:50 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:58:03 so we can use that at runtime; i mean good, then i'll leave it at a couple of newlines here and there 16:58:07 ah sry 16:59:25 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has joined #lisp 16:59:51 CFFI changes now at absolute minimum to allow cffi-libffi working on windows https://github.com/cffi/cffi/pull/30/files 17:00:17 Is it an elegant solution? :D 17:00:55 working on windows with SBCL that is 17:01:05 no :wait nil? 17:01:25 doesn't need it apparently 17:01:35 until it does? 17:02:15 What does :wait nil do anyways? 17:02:41 returns from sb-ext:run-program without waiting for the program to finish 17:03:15 if the pipe buffer isn't filled, it may exit with :wait t, but if it's filled and you don't empty it, it won't 17:03:22 it never had it in the original code, but i'm guessing it's more important in windows? 17:03:44 the original code didn't manually copy the stream into a string 17:04:05 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:04:19 ahhhh, so :wait nil should be used with stream operations 17:04:26 got it 17:04:37 and the forest of reader conditional is ugly, better write whole %invoke for it 17:04:45 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:59 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 17:05:45 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@166.147.67.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:14 k #+(and win32 sbcl) 17:06:22 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:39 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:07:02 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 17:08:45 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:09:12 bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has joined #lisp 17:10:10 ha! cl-ledger uses series :) 17:11:18 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:33 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:48 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:13:53 -!- djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:14:25 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-229-190-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:27 resttime: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138566 17:14:27 djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 17:14:33 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has left #lisp 17:16:13 though, sb-ext:process-exit-code does the waiting too 17:17:11 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-abnfqwlegvwbaikz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:17:11 cool, thanks and i'll take out the process-wait 17:18:23 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-229-190-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:18:24 doesn't looke like process-close does the right thing on windows 17:18:30 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 17:18:55 no, it does, i just misread the extent of #-win32 17:19:59 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:20:19 -!- dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpexcnxmgqdfwsop] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:20:25 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3B1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:21 resttime: and no, process-wait is needed 17:21:25 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-170-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:21:26 at least on linux 17:21:48 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 17:22:01 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:22:47 i'll keep it in then but there' still a problem with your %invoke 17:22:51 Argument X is not a NUMBER: NIL 17:23:24 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdillmnfrqdyqkgv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23:25 http://imgur.com/ZiG3BsF 17:24:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:31 -!- shaungilchrist [~chatzilla@c-67-182-222-192.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:31 did you remove process-wait? 17:24:39 nah i left it in this time 17:24:40 that would cause this 17:26:00 works a.o.k with :wait t 17:26:14 :wait t is wrong 17:26:21 it works though 17:26:28 until it doesn't 17:26:30 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:37 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 17:27:21 this is where my knowledge stops, I haven't learned how proccess work necessarily 17:27:35 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:41 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:23 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:30 i can reliably make :wait nil fail on linux, i'm firing up windows now 17:29:34 err, :wait t 17:30:13 k, i'll go grab a bowl of cheerios 17:31:39 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:42 well, run-program is just broken on windows 17:32:01 ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has joined #lisp 17:32:10 -!- coreytrevor [~ma@95.211.169.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:32:18 clapautius [~me@busalex.b.astral.ro] has joined #lisp 17:32:19 process-close causes this 17:32:55 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-nmatgfnfurcuwrnc] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:33:38 yup, you're right can you tell me why? 17:34:58 (prog1 (sb-ext:process-exit-code process) (sb-ext:process-close process)) works 17:35:22 http://imgur.com/mrK1git 17:35:59 jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-164.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:12 why are you posting images of code? 17:37:32 forgot about lisp paste... 17:38:45  never mind  bummer, Cl-ledger requires series, but doesn't actually use it. Except once or twice. 17:38:58 so it does use it? 17:39:54 resttime: looks like process-exit-code should be called before process-close indeed 17:40:10 resttime: there's something funny here 17:40:24 because without the copying-from-stream business, a basic grovel works just fine 17:40:37 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138567 17:40:57 fortitude: wait what? 17:41:07 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:37 I ran a grovel with the changes I mentioned earlier -- (with-output-to-string (s) ... (sb-ext:run-program cmd args :output s)) 17:41:39 resttime: that should work 17:41:48 although some unwind-protect can be applied 17:41:56 produces the c source, compiles the exe, builds and loads the resulting lisp without issue for me 17:42:01 sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has joined #lisp 17:42:01 -!- sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has quit [Changing host] 17:42:01 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:42:13 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:16 :O 17:42:29 well then, time to try that out too 17:43:02 resttime: I'm not sure why, since you are correct that the combination of with-output-to-string and run-program always produces "" 17:43:30 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3B1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:43:36 i think it uses this just for debugging purposes 17:43:56 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:01 stassats: I think you're right 17:44:06 you're right.... 17:44:10 it works.... 17:44:19 a process-grovel-file and co. don't use the result of invoke 17:44:29 they just pass -o to the compiler, and the generated program outputs to a file 17:45:12 i think i just wasted a lot of my time 17:45:14 what do i do now? 17:45:16 they use when something goes wrong, so, this still a worthy patch 17:45:28 i lost a bunch of words there 17:45:35 hmmm okay 17:46:20 ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has joined #lisp 17:47:44 stassats: where do they use the result? the only thing I can see that returns the value is cc-compile-and-link, and that return values doesn't seem to get used anywhere either... 17:48:00 inside invoke 17:48:01 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:26 though it only uses standard output, no standard error 17:48:28 go figure 17:48:36 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:48:41 *fortitude* feels silly now 17:48:51 no, they redirect :error 17:48:51 17:48:54 ok then 17:48:55 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 17:49:07 There, this should be it https://github.com/cffi/cffi/pull/30/files 17:49:55 looks ok 17:50:18 now, who will fix stream redirection in run-program? 17:50:24 on windows 17:50:56 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:51:04 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-85-86.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:06 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:47 i wouldn't even know where to begin 17:52:58 from figuring that 17:53:09 right lol 17:53:33 I might be able to look at it a little bit 17:53:36 but I make no promises 17:53:42 it's done by registering a serve-event handler, which calls a function whenever output appears 17:53:49 which appears to be broken on windows 17:54:07 i tried to use slime with fd-handler communication style, and it failed too 17:54:14 so, i'm blaming serve-event 17:55:42 so, start by figuring what how windows process output is handled 17:55:54 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:56:13 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:29 -!- CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@27.159.20.208] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:58:45 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-235-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:54 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:59:48 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:38 -!- spacefrogg_ is now known as spacefrogg 18:04:08 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:05:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:05:37 stassats: yes, cl-ledger uses series; but only a little bit (ten times maybe) - not enough to provide an interesting example for further study. 18:06:10 but it is the 1st thing in quick lisp to depend on it :) 18:06:32 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:06:55 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:07:18 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3B1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:07:38 seriesous business 18:09:39 Serious businass. Sorry, couldn't resist. 18:10:29 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.80.111] has joined #lisp 18:10:40 i've been musing that code based on series could likely be compiled to leverage multiple cores/cpus/machines in interesting ways. 18:11:30 i think you'd probably be better off using something not as old as series to do that. i think pkhuong attempted that once 18:12:47 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:12:51 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:15:54 i'm not sure life is complete until one has seriously abused everything in the CL manual 18:16:12 I'd start by reading the flume paper. 18:16:14 series isn't in CL... 18:16:24 yeah, flume is good. 18:16:28 he clearly means CLtL 18:21:54 tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:23:19 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 18:26:00 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-121-156.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26:17 stassats: think I've figured out the run-program issue 18:26:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@88-134-110-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:26:45 windows-pipe passes nil for the lpPipeAttributes parameter of CreatePipe 18:26:57 apparently if that's null, the handles returned aren't inheritable by child processes 18:27:10 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 18:27:50 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:14 reading the output works, as demonstrated by the previously discussed code 18:28:31 just waiting on it to change doesn't 18:28:43 i.e., an equivalent of select 18:29:24 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:20 http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/251.pdf 18:31:28 and how serve-event works is a whole mystery to me 18:31:29 sorry, wrong window, disregard 18:32:18 Zhivago: thanks; unsurprising but still interesting 18:33:16 nipra [~nipra@122.177.214.30] has 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aha 19:15:56 that is in fact what asdf is for! and with quicklisp you can even do what xach said. 19:16:12 I'm a bit more familiar with asdf so I'll do what Xach said 19:16:28 faust45 [~faust45@26-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:49 s/asdf/quicklisp 19:16:56 Ipil [~Ipil@187.153.74.248] has joined #lisp 19:17:21 well, quicklisp just uses asdf, though it can be more convenient for making asdf know where your stuff is (like through quickproject) 19:17:23 quicklisp is calling asdf underneath. 19:17:47 ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:49 maybe AeroNotix likes dots 19:17:57 who doesn't? 19:17:57 dots dots we need more dots 19:17:58 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.210] has joined #lisp 19:18:06 what type does the op param of asdf:perform expects? 19:18:24 i'm ambivalent towards dots, but i prefer compile output of my programs to be displayed 19:18:25 a symbol naming an operation class, or an operation, i believe 19:18:38 Uh ok - what's dots? 19:18:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:56 AeroNotix: stassats is referring to quicklisp's loading "progress bars" 19:19:04 AeroNotix: by default quicklisp hides the compilation output. :verbose t will show it instead. 19:19:08 ohhh ok 19:19:12 -!- Ipil [~Ipil@187.153.74.248] has quit [K-Lined] 19:19:20 Is there a global setting for that? 19:19:26 ql:*quickload-verbose* 19:19:38 (setf ql:*quickload-verbose* t) ? 19:20:16 yes. 19:20:40 oke doke 19:21:18 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:21:35 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:47 ckoch786 [~cory@107-219-7-73.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:19 add^_ [~user@m37-3-55-160.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 19:22:26 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:23:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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[~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:25 I steal an idea from PuercoPop to display quick lisp dependency graphs in my emacs: https://gist.github.com/bhyde/6299501  good fun. 20:10:06 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-219.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:54 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@dsl-162.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:27 bhyde: nice! 20:12:04 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 20:12:08 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:14:47 PuercoPop: who don't you just (asdf:test-system 'nclack) 20:15:24 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:51 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 20:17:05 stassats: I was not aware of it, will look into it 20:17:19 gr4nf1 [~gr4nf@190.86.177.25] has joined #lisp 20:19:20 youlysses 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you like it? 21:35:26 jangle_: Yes, very much. 21:35:49 baggers [~baggers@cpc5-cbly5-2-0-cust10.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:35:54 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35:57 I attended Lambda Jam this year, which is run by the same people. 21:36:22 Many of the talks are on InfoQ. 21:36:23 Hydan [~textual@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 21:36:32 oh really? 21:36:39 I just found out about the conference, looks really cool 21:36:45 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 21:36:50 http://www.infoq.com/lambda-jam-2013/ 21:37:26 ooooo..... 21:37:29 http://www.infoq.com/strange_loop_2012/ 21:38:04 Dr. Strange LOOP or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the 1980's? 21:38:17 how to output lower-case hex? (format nil "~x") outputs upper-case? 21:39:32 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 21:40:00 (format t "~(~X~)" #xabc) 21:40:25 hello there, could someone please have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/138573 and give me a hint why i get "The variable = is unbound." i don't gete it at all 21:40:38 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-128-84.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:59 clhs cond 21:41:00 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_cond.htm 21:41:01 hiroakip: ^ 21:41:05 check the syntax. 21:41:53 (cond () () ) not (cond  ) 21:42:12 bhyde: what's the ~( ~) called/do? 21:42:19 format specifiers. 21:42:24 ~( changes the case. 21:42:32 pjb: I know they're format specifiers 21:42:41 You asked for what they're called. 21:42:52 I meant what's their format specifier name :) 21:42:55 I thought they were called "format directives"? 21:43:06 I've always called them specifiers 21:43:07 "format directive n. 1. a sequence of characters in a format string which is introduced by a tilde ..." 21:43:07 http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-3-8-1.html 21:43:17 AeroNotix: 22.3.8.1 Tilde Left-Paren: Case Conversion 21:43:20 clhs format 21:43:20 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_format.htm 21:43:21 pjb, great thank you! 21:43:24 pjb: cool 21:43:25 and follow links. 21:43:28 I am 21:43:33 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:51 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 21:44:30 hiroakip: the point is that CL is rather a procedural language: you can put several expressions in the consequent of a cond clause. So the test form and the consequent expressions must be wrapped in parentheses: each cond clause is a list by itself. 21:44:37 -!- Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:45:02 (cond ((= a b) (prin1 '(they are the same)) (terpri) 'same) (t 'different)) 21:45:42 pjb: this "clhs" thing is a bot? 21:45:47 yes. 21:45:54 It's name is specbot. 21:46:19 Try; /msg specbot help 21:46:23 pjb: aren't there different kinds of bot triggers in this channel? 21:46:28 Oh, telepathy. :) 21:46:44 There's also minion. 21:46:48 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:46:50 and i usually use (t (bla)) as default operation when no other cond fits, right? 21:46:52 minion: how are you doing tonight? 21:46:53 it's going quite fine today 21:46:58 hiroakip: t is the condition, not an operation 21:47:21 that's what i meant so say ;) 21:47:22 Does specbot's clhs command let you look up format directives? 21:47:33 clhs ~( 21:47:34 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_cha.htm 21:47:37 Yep! :-) 21:47:38 nice. 21:48:14 pjb: I think I love specbot. :) Who wrote that and where can I download it locally? 21:48:34 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 21:48:43 gleag: an old version is in cl-irc, i believe 21:48:50 -!- cscorp [~csorp@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 21:48:59 gleag: if you just want clhs lookups slime comes with hyperspec-lookup, hyperspec-lookup-format, etc 21:49:25 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abot88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:49:26 Well, I thought looking at the code would be as interesting as using it. 21:49:56 Sources of specbot are part of http://www.cliki.net/cl-irc 21:50:54 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:50:54 pjb: Oh, thanks, I've just done (ql:quickload :cl-irc) and it worked. :] 21:51:49 -!- persizzl [~twosizes@gateway/tor-sasl/persizzl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:15 -!- shellH [~ShElLiNTh@c-75-64-159-85.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:54:38 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57:35 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:58:48 -!- resttime [~rest@99.135.190.144] has quit [Quit: resttime] 21:59:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:41 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:00:04 Bike_ [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 22:00:25 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:00:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:00:34 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 22:01:52 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has joined #lisp 22:01:54 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:56 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:04:16 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:39 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:23 i get another error, an argument is nil. could anyone give me a hint how to figure out where this problem occurs? i use emacs with slime 22:07:21 Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 22:07:26 gleag: the source code for specbot is actually at https://github.com/stassats/lisp-bots 22:07:52 warning, some parts of the code are not worth looking at 22:08:00 stassats: oh, thanks. 22:10:42 and i'm not sure who wrote it, by the impression is that they were either raving mad or just learning lisp 22:10:52 or it's a part of a commercial software written on a deadline 22:11:11 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:01 nevermind, i was just stupid 22:13:40 -!- ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:14:03 I was thinking of running some NLP on CLHS. I just got the feeling that there's a lot of material that could be mineable into a more digestible form. 22:14:20 how about reading it? 22:14:22 But I suppose these bots don't do anything nearly that clever. 22:14:32 minion: are you clever? 22:14:32 yes 22:14:39 gleag: see, you're wrong 22:14:44 :) 22:14:52 minion: have a botsnack 22:14:53 no 22:15:01 well, ok 22:15:30 minion: why are you not nice? 22:15:30 Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 58 seconds is too many. 22:15:36 well, forget it 22:16:15 -!- Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:20 Well, yeah, but "reading" in my case often means "looking for the interesting parts in a lot of prose". 22:16:52 If the CLHS were a data structure, one could slice it, for example to extract stuff for tooltips. 22:17:06 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:50 -!- faust45 [~faust45@26-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: faust45] 22:22:05 Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 22:23:22 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 22:23:27 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:24:14 djangoj [~dan@host-92-25-36-45.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:16 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 22:26:16 -!- Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:27:06 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:19 _veer [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:20 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:27:20 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:29:02 |3b|: Sorry it was so long before I rebased my commit for classimp hopefully all is in order now. 22:29:28 Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 22:29:30 -!- nilly [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:29:35 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31:46 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:26 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:37:25 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:37:35 rotwatsb [~stephen@cpe-72-229-225-244.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:11 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:43 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:01 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 22:40:21 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-129.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:50 -!- Hydan is now known as Hydan` 22:43:54 -!- Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:44:00 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:44:25 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-229-190-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:44:45 turbopape [~turbopape@41.226.158.228] has joined #lisp 22:46:18 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:44 Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 22:47:45 -!- Hydan` [~textual@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz] 22:48:22 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:52 tyfighter [~tyfighter@c-98-210-65-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:56 -!- tyfighter [~tyfighter@c-98-210-65-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:49:57 nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 22:50:16 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:23 antonv [5d7d2a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.116] has joined #lisp 22:52:27 how to copy directory in CL? is there an utility? 22:54:27  :) 22:54:31 there's osicat 22:54:37 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: a] 22:55:11 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:09 fe[nl]ix:  22:56:24 osicat, checking does it work on windows 22:56:44 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has joined #lisp 22:57:01 I think it does 22:57:35 fe[nl]ix: acording to the docs it does 22:57:49 trying it now - it wants to cffi-grovel some headers 22:58:13 and fails because I don't have C compiler at c:/msys/1.0/bin/gcc.exe 22:59:33 will try with cffi-grovel::*cc* set to my MSVC and with MSVC environment vars set... 22:59:43 try cl-fad first 22:59:54 meantime, if anyone knows pure lisp solution, I will appreciate 23:00:11 fe[nl]ix: tried cl-fad, but there are no such function, only cl-fad:wal-directory 23:00:14 walk 23:00:43 I might write my own utility based on this, but if here is are ready to use one, will be nice 23:01:41 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 23:02:40 -!- djangoj [~dan@host-92-25-36-45.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: djangoj] 23:03:25 no, cffi-grovel doesn't know how to pass arguments to MSVC compiler 23:03:37 not very convenient 23:04:45 djangoj [~dan@host-92-25-36-45.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:29 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-189-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:15 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:57 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-129.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:49 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:07:54 -!- Atarkos [~alex@ppp37-190-60-42.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:11:12 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:11:12 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-76-31.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:12:08 -!- rotwatsb [~stephen@cpe-72-229-225-244.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:12:28 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:12 -!- djangoj [~dan@host-92-25-36-45.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: djangoj] 23:17:15 ok, I ended up with this utility: https://gist.github.com/avodonosov/6301418 23:18:20 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:18:43 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:55 Guest18235 [~stephen@cpe-72-229-225-244.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:52 -!- kotharia [~kotharia@46.22.223.130] has left #lisp 23:21:27 antonv: don't use :overwrite t 23:21:39 delete the existing file then copy 23:22:15 hmm, it won't matter much on windows anyway 23:22:43 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:22:45 fe[nl]ix: why delete first? 23:22:56 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 23:23:15 fe[nl]ix: btw, :overwrite passed to cl-fad translates to :superseede passed to cl:open 23:23:16 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:24:03 ok 23:24:39 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:24:48 at least in *nix systems, if you delete then copy the processes that have that file open will keep working on the old version 23:25:00 instead of having it overwritten suddenly 23:25:11 but that doesn't matter on windows 23:25:11 fe[nl]ix: thanks, good to know 23:25:49 IIRC, on windows the win32 api opens files in exclusive mode 23:26:02 so they can't be deleted while open 23:26:22 fe[nl]ix: I think I remember that windows allows various modes 23:26:26 exclusive is possible 23:26:43 yes, the nt kernel api allows various modes 23:27:03 but the official win32 api always opens in exclusive mode 23:27:11 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa363858(v=vs.85).aspx 23:27:12 almost nobody uses the nt api directly 23:27:17 fe[nl]ix: see the 3rd parameter 23:28:25 exactly, and everybody uses the default 0 23:28:35 fe[nl]ix: when I was younger, I used win api a lot :) 23:28:52 which prevents any kind of modification while open 23:29:24 that sucks 23:33:08 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33:37 bitonic [~user@cpe-74-73-104-88.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:34:06 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.147.105.229] has joined #lisp 23:34:58 Gooder [~Gooder@125.37.174.113] has joined #lisp 23:35:14 -!- Gooder [~Gooder@125.37.174.113] has quit [Client Quit] 23:35:54 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 23:36:45 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zptsofzqgrbgdbyu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:39:03 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:11 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:16 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2-dev] 23:44:07 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-urmgtzjwhmqosdfd] has joined #lisp 23:47:11 -!- echo-area [~user@111.196.6.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 23:48:32 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:49:06 I did the bowling kata in lisp. Was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to give feedback. http://ideone.com/tnahAE 23:50:36 you could use (reduce #'+ frame-scores :start 0 :end scorable) 23:51:08 Ohh, sweet 23:52:10 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:35 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:16 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:20 -!- ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:21 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:56:52 sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has joined #lisp 23:56:52 -!- sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has quit [Changing host] 23:56:52 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 23:57:57 http://ideone.com/QFCxps 23:57:58 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:58:11 -!- baggers [~baggers@cpc5-cbly5-2-0-cust10.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: baggers] 23:58:24 -!- Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has quit [] 23:58:38 Bike: Thanks ;) 23:59:50 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has joined #lisp