00:00:12 rien: er, (in-package #:greet) before you try to use the bsd sockets package 00:01:55 Bike: if I in-package #:greet I get "SOCKET-LISTEN and GREET::SOCKET-LISTEN" conflicts, but if I don't as I showed you then amazingly the compiled program finally works 00:02:14 ok, well. glad it works. 00:02:59 thanks for the help. is it weird that it works like that? 00:03:36 Kind of, because use-package changes the use-list of the current package, which ought to be cl-user or whatever if you have it ordered as you do? I think I don't understand your state before you load the file. 00:03:49 But I don't really ever write script-type code like that, so I don't know. Glad it works for you. 00:03:53 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.211.136.54.static.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04:10 -!- tolk [~user@host135.190-226-87.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04:48 Bike: maybe it's ECL's compilation that's throwing you off. I understand it's not ultra-popular. 00:05:10 it should still have CL semantics, though yes i've never used ecl 00:05:53 sure the semantics, but maybe it slightly changes the "state" as you mentioned. 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(my-macro (1 ...) (2 ...) (3 ...)) (my-macro (1 ...) (3 ...) (4 ...)) in this example, i don't want to have to type out what (1 ...) and (3 ...) are multiple times 01:21:34 usually you would use values for that...? 01:24:24 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:45 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:25:16 i don't want to type twice certain complicated macro arguments 01:27:18 I mean, I think you have kind of a design issue if (1 ...) don't correspond to values, or something. It's like saying you don't want to type (+ 4 5) twice in (* (+ 4 5) (+ 4 5)), you could just do (let ((foo (+ 4 5))) (* foo foo)). 01:27:32 I guess if you really wanted you could put them in symbol macros and have the macro macroexpand them, but ugh. 01:28:44 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 01:29:13 to make it concrete: i'm using cl-yacc's DEFINE-PARSER macro, which takes a bunch of production-forms (its own syntax). i want to share sets of these production-forms between several parsers. 01:31:15 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:31:37 would symbol macros be the idiomatic way to do such a thing? 01:31:56 well, they won't work if cl-yacc doesn't macroexpand them, and no 01:32:07 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:07 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:38 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ykkebkvwfytxkegy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:32:59 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:33:01 robot-beethoven: glancing at the manual it looks like there's a more functional/value interface with make-production &c 01:36:25 j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:41 Bike: ah yes... forgot about those. with these tools i shall smite the code-repitition 01:38:54 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:40:22 -!- CrazyEddy [~unauthori@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Quit: .] 01:41:20 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zptsofzqgrbgdbyu] has joined #lisp 01:42:28 CrazyEddy [~architypo@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 01:46:57 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:47:46 '(a b c d) and (list 'a 'b 'c 'd) are essentially identical, except that you shouldn't mutate the first, correct? 01:49:04 yep 01:50:46 -!- breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:52:54 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:35 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:55:59 robot-beethoven: note, though, that it's perfectly fine (per the spec) to mutate (read "(a b c d)") -- the prohibition is on mutating something that's been the argument of a QUOTE form, not that it came from the reader 01:59:00 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 02:00:52 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:01:09 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:01:30 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:17 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:02:51 j0ni 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04:09:34 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 04:10:29 antgreen [~green@216.254.163.111] has joined #lisp 04:11:39 What is the default test of MEMBER? Is it EQL? 04:11:39 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:13:26 I'm reading the page in the CLHS over and over and I'm just not seeing it. 04:16:36 ECL defaults to #'EQL 04:16:46 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:18:48 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 04:18:59 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqpynmcbksowkah] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:10 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbkddljpjulmroxq] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:19:31 -!- varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqsrxgdgnyaaqhaa] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:19:35 -!- rvirding [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihxlywbasrcaqsnn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:19:36 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uebjsanabgnyfkau] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:20:08 -!- d4gg4d [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtilkeowijugxplp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:20:14 -!- fmu____ [uid89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-coshjlnwyzdqqfzf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:20:55 -!- dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cuirqafikzrbbthw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:21:27 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:40 tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 04:21:41 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:36 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:59 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:28:03 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 04:30:28 lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:48 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:34:30 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-7-129.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:38:33 it's eql 04:39:56 clhs 17.2.1 04:39:56 Satisfying a Two-Argument Test: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/17_ba.htm 04:40:03 which is kind of far from clhs member, i guess 04:43:47 maxter [~maxter@sundownness.lullaby.volia.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:51 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:44:56 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:46:31 Thanks! I don't think I've seen this page before. 04:51:04 Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.24.95] has joined #lisp 04:53:01 sdemarre [~serge@38.125-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 04:54:09 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:54:35 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56:12 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-151-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 04:56:56 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 04:57:31 alezost [~user@128-70-198-98.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:02:06 pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 05:03:38 hi 05:03:38 pnpuff, memo from pjb: staying a tad longer on irc would help in having a discussion!!! 05:03:39 pnpuff, memo from pjb: reversible computing is useful because it's very sparing in electrical power. So it'd be useful on mobile devices. 05:03:39 pnpuff, memo from pjb: otherwise, just use news:comp.lang.lisp to ask your questions. 05:04:29 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:04:34 pjb: use only 0.28 pW would be great to perform MPC on a mobile. :-) 05:04:46 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 05:05:06 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:05:30 -!- pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:05:33 nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has joined #lisp 05:06:16 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:44 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 05:06:45 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:06:45 -!- eli [~eli@racket/eli] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:06:48 nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.135.5] has joined #lisp 05:07:26 -!- persizzl [~twosizes@gateway/tor-sasl/persizzl] has quit 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Otherwise, return the entry contents as an (unsigned-byte 8) vector. 14:00:05 I'd like to use a stream and read from it the bytes found in the zip entry, but I get easily confused with input/output streams etc 14:00:39 faust45 [~faust45@81.90.235.46] has joined #lisp 14:00:45 principia [~Adium@18.209.1.245] has joined #lisp 14:01:24 is there a question in here? 14:01:51 yeah 14:02:00 I'm confused, can you help me? 14:02:18 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:21 i can, take this unconfusion pill 14:02:31 how to use zipfile-entry-contents so as to be able to read zipped data from a stream? 14:03:31 ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.219] has joined #lisp 14:03:54 -!- ISF is now known as Guest88703 14:04:01 (with-zipfile (zip-stream "file.zip") (zipfile-entry-contents zip-stream)) i would guess 14:04:22 that will load the whole thing in memory and give back a vector 14:05:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-121-156.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:05:26 I then tried to use babel-stream but failed, as the things I did get didn't implement a read-line method 14:05:35 and you want? 14:05:52 read lines from the csv file included in the zip archive 14:06:35 -!- ogamita is now known as Guest42462 14:06:40 ogamita` [~t@77.104.4.54] has joined #lisp 14:06:51 are zip files streamable? 14:07:20 I don't know, but doc says "If stream is given, extract entry to the (unsigned-byte 8) stream given as the argument." 14:08:05 -!- Guest42462 [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:08:16 stassats: perhaps not: they have an index in the middle. 14:08:32 stassats: no 14:08:41 -!- ogamita` is now known as ogamita 14:08:45 it looks like I should give zipfile-entry-contents an output stream, but then I want to read from an input stream 14:09:09 maybe I should just extract the CSV somewhere then use file-based access and be done? 14:09:25 -!- bashuk62 [~Bashuk62@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:29 the directory index is at the end, but if you append files to the archive you end up with multiple indexes everywhere but at the start of the file 14:09:30 so, then if they have to be in-memory, take this vector and use flexi-streams:with-input-from-sequence 14:10:15 I was using babel-streams:with-input-from-sequence already, can switch to flexi-streams instead, sure 14:10:27 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:10:34 zip is already using flexi-streams 14:11:36 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:11:42 There is no applicable method for the generic function # when called with arguments (#). [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR] 14:12:19 that's where I'm confused about input and output streams and how to read the contents of the file in the zip thing 14:12:48 ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has joined #lisp 14:13:21 are flexi-streams broken by the trivial-gray-streams update too? 14:13:38 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:14:46 oh. that would be another way to being confused 14:16:51 no, it's a binary stream 14:16:53 no read-line 14:17:31 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 14:17:33 ok, if I knew the encoding I could turn it into a text stream with babel 14:17:36 I guess 14:18:41 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:19:39 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-36-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:20:10 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 14:20:40 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:21:04 babel has binary streams too 14:21:10 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:21:13 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 14:21:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:23 but, you can do (flexi-streams:with-input-from-sequence (stream #(1 2 3 10)) (read-line (flex:make-flexi-stream stream :external-format :utf-8))) 14:23:28 => "" 14:23:50 stassats: or use CL-ICONV (it has more complete encoding support) 14:24:14 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:24:21 i'm not sure that encoding is the problem 14:24:28 and cl-iconv brings non-trivial dependencies 14:24:37 fair enough 14:25:17 well I need the tool to be able to cope with files I don't know about yet, so it will need to be able to cope with encodings and read lines from there 14:26:13 dim: Well, you need to know the encoding 14:26:15 it seems that flexi-streams knows about encodings 14:26:21 loke_: yeah 14:26:31 flexi-streams has some popular encodings 14:26:33 in some cases it's possible to "guesstimate" it programmaticall 14:26:38 that'd be the question 14:27:02 stassats: I just mentioned iconv, because I needed it in my application that reads email. Those damn things can come is the weirdest of encodings, and iconv was the only thing I found that could grok them all. 14:27:16 -!- drmeister_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:34 loke_: could have added more encodings to babel instead! 14:27:52 I found recode to be better than iconv in several situations, and babel seems to be the CL recode 14:28:18 bashuk62 [~Bashuk62@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:25 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:28:32 stassats: Indeed. Could have. Fixing iconv was easier though (I rewrote it to do proper conditions and error handling) 14:28:35 babel and flexi-streams are really pathetic when it comes to the number of encodings they understand 14:29:50 dim: recode doesn't have a CL interface though 14:30:28 nilsi_ [~nilsi@218.11.176.46] has joined #lisp 14:30:58 and babel/flexi-streams are not particularly fast either 14:31:17 yeah I'm discovering that it's pretty slow here 14:31:35 Hmm... 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15:24:28 guys 15:24:33 could you just check this list 15:24:38 which list? 15:24:39 see if its wrong or smthn 15:24:40 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html 15:24:45 there are 3 lisps here 15:25:13 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Lisp.html impressive complete lack of information 15:25:20 when people say, "lisp," I always assume they mean Common Lisp but the world at large is generally afraid, ignorant, and arrogant of their own faculties and knowledge they usually mean some other language that has parenthesis. ;) 15:25:40 im sorry i didnt meant to offend anyone 15:25:46 you're not offending anyone 15:25:47 im just confused about this list 15:25:48 clmsy: not offended. ;) 15:25:54 clmsy: the authors seem to be just confused about 'lisp' 15:25:58 hmm 15:26:00 *JuanDaugherty* is totally offended. 15:26:07 there's no just 'lisp'... each one is some dialect 15:26:09 clmsy: they describe it as a language with a functional paradigm 15:26:12 clmsy: it looks like they're just checking search engine results, thus there's no guarantee that these are actual "languages" 15:26:20 clmsy: so don't take it too seriously 15:26:25 you guys are right 15:26:36 *JuanDaugherty* don't want no pythong up in here. 15:26:39 as i remember tiobe gathers data from search engine searches, i.e. how often the word 'lisp' is mentioned 15:26:43 i might as well start off at practical common lisp yeah ? 15:27:02 clmsy: yes. 15:27:03 pcl's a good place to start. gentle is also good if you're not used to programming, but it seems you are 15:27:03 sure 15:27:06 minion: gentle 15:27:06 gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 15:27:12 one last question and ill bother you much more a few days later 15:27:12 *JuanDaugherty* <- just kidding. 15:27:17 juan ^^ 15:27:20 the 2 main directions are common lisp and scheme 15:27:58 where emacs lisp is more a scheme-like language 15:28:02 scheme is lot easier if you're taking a pythong direction instead of lisp 15:28:07 one of my friends who has a few hacks in lisp uses an ide called "Clozure" , do u recommend this or should i just roll with emacs ? and if i do w emacs do i need any plugins etc 15:28:28 most people here use emacs with slime. 15:28:34 but CL is the main lisp culture 15:28:42 cult 15:28:51 I don't think "Clozure" is an ide, but they do have Hemlock, which is like emacs, but I don't know how well it works? 15:28:51 whatever 15:29:04 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:29:11 scheme is not tiny part of the overal lisp culture though 15:29:12 ty for the feedback guys =) 15:29:17 *a tiny part 15:29:21 ill roll w cL 15:29:22 You might also look at Clojure. 15:29:26 clmsy: best of luck. 15:29:39 start Emacs + SLIME + ParEdit + Highlight-Parenthesis 15:29:47 clmsy: and tell us about what you build with it. :) 15:30:05 also checkout quicklisp 15:30:19 i saw hemlock on a vid tut from either mit or ucs or so 15:30:39 it's a repo of common lisp libraries 15:31:04 ah ya the sicp video 15:31:21 -!- _cosmonaut_ [~eu5183@nat-gw1.edb.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:33 not "a" these days "the" 15:32:46 ill hang around here 15:32:47 and not a repo as such 15:33:35 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [] 15:33:37 more like gem, or cabal install, pear, composer, etc. etc. 15:34:00 well yeah, that too 15:34:41 i forget what the pythong thing is called, eggs oder 15:36:52 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:37:18 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:38 sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has joined #lisp 15:37:38 -!- sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has quit [Changing host] 15:37:38 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:38:01 -!- bashuk62 [~Bashuk62@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:40:09 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:40:25 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:40:59 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:17 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has joined #lisp 15:44:27 bashuk62 [~Bashuk62@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:53 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:10 -!- sz0 [~user@92.44.62.223] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:45:43 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@h-69-3-174-99.lsan.ca.megapath.net] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 15:45:56 spacefrogg^: emacs lisp is much more like Common Lisp than scheme. 15:46:08 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-46-223-73-219.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:46:32 spacefrogg^: otherwise, have a look at (intersection common-lisp emacs-lisp scheme) http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/intersection-r5rs-common-lisp-emacs-lisp/ 15:47:07 JuanDaugherty: pypi 15:47:25 motionman, ah 15:47:40 the tool is call setuptools 15:48:07 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:11 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-119.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:12 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:50:44 -!- faust45 [~faust45@81.90.235.46] has quit [Quit: faust45] 15:51:04 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Quit: ] 15:51:40 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:52:27 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 15:52:32 pnpuff [~p-spin@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:52:38 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 15:52:57 -!- pnpuff [~p-spin@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:53:56 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-45.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:57:51 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59:31 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:18 sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.210] has joined #lisp 16:03:58 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:04:00 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 16:04:28 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 16:04:55 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:19 -!- cdan [~cdan@mail.savatech.ro] has quit [Quit: cdan] 16:09:48 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 16:11:00 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has joined #lisp 16:11:23 cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:11:26 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:30 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:16:12 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:37 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:17:08 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:24 Anyone know if cl-dot is still maintained? 16:17:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:11 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:18:23 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:19:31 Just found and fixed a bug..... 16:22:15 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:22:48 rpg: I think it has a github https://github.com/michaelw/cl-dot 16:26:46 resttime: thanks! 16:27:00 I will find that and put a pointer on the much-bitrotted Cliki... 16:27:21 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:30:16 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:15 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:32:20 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 16:32:52 If there is no variable to minimize, loop returns 0. Is it possible to make it return nil? (loop for i in nil minimize i) => 0, but I'm looking for => nil. 16:33:03 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:33:15 faust45 [~faust45@92-49-194-226.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 16:33:20 (when list (loop for i in list minimize i)) 16:33:28 i don't know if there's a way to do it with loop directly 16:34:30 yakov [~yakov@lagarm-2.ip.PeterStar.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:32 Xach: Thank you. 16:36:00 Does anyone know of any open source projects that have beautiful code I should aspire to? 16:36:04 tolk [~user@host135.190-226-87.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:36:42 ppcre is pretty nice 16:37:14 nightshade427: I like the code in Practical Common Lisp and Paradigms of AI Programming 16:38:14 Bike: https://github.com/edicl/cl-ppcre? 16:38:21 yep 16:39:10 Xach: Thanks, ya im reading those now. Want more code to read as I code like mad and learn ;) 16:39:16 Bike: Thanks 16:40:01 i don't know, ppcre has a lot of special variables popping up out of nowhere 16:40:07 without ear-muffs 16:41:09 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:04 didi, like this: (loop for i in nil minimizing i into min finally (return (unless (zerop min) min))) 16:42:07 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-235-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:14 -!- arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:33 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-235-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:37 arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 16:43:25 dtw: Thank you, but 0 is actually a meaningful result for me. Not just when there is no list to iterate over. 16:43:35 Ah! 16:43:38 I misread it. 16:43:54 no, you didn't! 16:44:04 Yeah. Bummer. 16:44:56 -!- sjl_ is now known as sjl 16:45:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 16:48:39 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:49:18 -!- yakov [~yakov@lagarm-2.ip.PeterStar.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:33 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.203.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:33 -!- arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has left #lisp 16:51:41 arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:36 anunnaki [~anunnaki@c-174-54-115-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:24 travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has joined #lisp 16:55:43 -!- cory786 [~cory@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57:21 -!- nilly [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:57:58 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:59 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:43 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:02:30 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:45 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:03:47 Yes, it was me who misread. My excuse is that I was eating ice-cream. :-) 17:04:25 *didi* . o O ( mmmm, ice-cream... ) 17:05:10 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:05:20 -!- yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has quit [Quit: WeeChat, The Better IRC Client: http://weechat.org/] 17:05:57 -!- bashuk62 [~Bashuk62@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:06:01 Any other projects with beautiful code I should aspire to? 17:06:20 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:07:25 did somebody already mention practical common lisp? by Peter Seibel? 17:07:39 thats got a few example projects in it. 17:07:53 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@218.11.176.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:09:02 minion, pcl? 17:09:02 pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 17:09:59 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 17:10:59 nilsi [~nilsi@112.65.211.116] has joined #lisp 17:11:32 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 17:12:32 -!- faust45 [~faust45@92-49-194-226.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Quit: faust45] 17:12:46 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:13:53 nightshade427: I have always liked reading Xach's code particularly zpb-ttf and his wormtrails code are very nice to look at. Also, nikodemus's esrap and raylisp are very elegant looking code, too. 17:17:32 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 17:18:11 are lists case sensitive? 17:18:21 not really a coherent question, that 17:18:25 Like are '(FOO) and '(foo) different? 17:18:43 the case sensitivity of symbols is what you're worrying about, not lists 17:18:49 clhs readtable-case 17:18:49 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rdtabl.htm 17:18:51 the question is "is FOO and foo different" 17:18:52 Both are lists containing the symbol FOO. 17:18:59 lists do not come into play here 17:19:52 but depending on how you define different, (eq '(foo) '(foo)) can return either T or NIL 17:21:38 yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has joined #lisp 17:22:38 thanks for infos, although when I set the readtable to :preserve it invalidates the normal functions 17:22:50 I guess i'll work with strings instead 17:23:43 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@112.65.211.116] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:47 It doesn't invalidate the normal functions, it just requires that you enter them in UPCASE because when they were originally read, they were UPCASED for you... 17:23:52 i call it :perverse 17:24:10 that's what I meant patrickwonders 17:24:50 the intent of what I'm trying to do is to give a function a list of symbols that concatenates them to a string 17:25:51 if strings is what you want, then use strings 17:25:53 alternatively disregard the list and just do something like (foo hi There) -> "hi There" 17:27:56 well, strings it is 17:28:01 i'm trying to imagine how that would be possible and at the same time why it would ever by useful... 17:28:21 -!- CrazyEddy [~thrift@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:46 oh, it's just a bit of convinience so i could avoid writing "" in "foo" for every word 17:29:06 lazyness ehehe~ 17:30:08 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:14 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:32:53 AeroNotix [~xeno@abob234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:33:52 you could write one " and one " and words between them 17:34:03 like "hi There" 17:34:07 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.106.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:57 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 17:38:14 I'm trying to build a case sensitive parameter list for drakma 17:38:57 ex. (make-tags "hi" "there") 17:39:13 -> ("tags" . "hi there") 17:40:01 ex. (make-tags "hi" "WHAT "there") -> ("tags" . "hi WHAT there") 17:40:03 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:32 and not (make-tags "hi WHAT there")? 17:41:25 CrazyEddy [~wenneberg@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 17:41:59 ...oh god, something feels wrong about it but I can't refute 17:42:09 maybe I've been working with lists for too long 17:42:17 *resttime* puts head down and cries 17:42:31 -!- protist [~protist@15.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:00 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:44:25 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:45:42 travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has joined #lisp 17:45:54 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:46:01 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-197-17.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:03 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 17:46:30 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-200.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:49:22 resttime: '(|tags| . |hi| |WHAT| |there|) 17:49:56 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:50:24 OR, (|SETF| |(READTABLE-CASE| |*READTABLE*|) :|PRESERVE|) 17:50:41 and then: '(tags . hi WHAT there) 17:51:20 and '(tags . hi, WHAT there)? 17:52:25 Need to disable the reader macro on #\, for that. 17:52:51 and what about :? 17:53:50 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 17:53:53 Use my lisp reader. 17:55:21 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:55:36 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-235-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:39 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has left #lisp 17:56:41 further intent is IRC bot REPL 17:57:08 sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has joined #lisp 17:57:08 -!- sohail [~sohail@108.161.116.248] has quit [Changing host] 17:57:08 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:57:09 something like >(search-image-with-tags hi YES stuFds) 17:57:28 just straight eval from the message 17:57:52 that sounds safe 17:58:59 will end with undefined symbol 17:59:19 -!- Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:30 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 17:59:42 principia [~Adium@18.209.1.245] has joined #lisp 17:59:43 resttime: this is in my bucket of 'things that i once thought were a good solution but probably are just band aids over a deeper problem' 17:59:45 http://paste.lisp.org/display/138525 17:59:58 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 18:01:20 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 18:01:41 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:01:48 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:30 -!- 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elements 18:09:40 wws-ubuntu [~wws@66.202.133.178] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 so hypothetical (define-tag TAGER "stuff thehs JKJFKdddd") 18:10:36 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 18:11:14 ack, or maybe i'm making this more complicated than it should be 18:11:25 resttime: could be. 18:13:30 there's just something that irks me about working with strings like this 18:13:33 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:43 maybe i really have been working with lists for too long 18:13:57 *resttime* puts head down and sobs harder than before 18:15:21 well, time to get crackin on this thing 18:17:10 resttime: don't confuse the syntax that's convenient for user input (apparently a whitespace seperated string) with the data type that's useful to work with (i'm guessing a list of strings, but maybe something else) 18:19:06 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 18:19:49 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[~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:10:48 unquote-splicing? But osal left 19:12:45 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:14:57 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:30 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:56 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:19 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 19:22:57 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 19:23:15 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 19:25:28 are there any command line front ends for quicklisp/ 19:25:30 ? 19:25:38 what for? 19:25:42 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:25:49 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:59 stassats: I find sometimes they're easier to use 19:26:06 AeroNotix: I don't know of any. 19:26:18 Hmm, cool. Would be an interesting project for me 19:26:37 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@70-89-202-126-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:03 Xach: one more thing - is SBCL the 'de facto' implementation for QL? 19:27:30 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:37 AeroNotix: The client is meant to work on any CL. The software in the dist is build-tested with SBCL. 19:27:45 gotcha 19:27:50 just the docs mostly mention sbcl, is all. 19:27:52 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 19:27:54 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 19:27:56 easier to use? what kind of usage are you performing for it to be hard? 19:28:21 stassats: e.g. when I just want to install a package or whatever when I am not in a repl/script 19:29:22 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:37 considering quicklisp systems are, well, lisp systems, i'm not sure i understand why you'd want an installer outside of the lisp environment 19:29:59 it's like asking for a linux package manager that works from GRUB 19:30:31 I get your point 19:30:51 AeroNotix: SBCL is the implementation I use the most, and it is the most popular implementation of CL in general. 19:31:00 Xach: I get that, indeed. 19:31:04 Corman CL could make a comeback though. 19:31:09 ha. 19:31:16 Xach: you use sbcl for testing that systems build, too, right? 19:31:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31:37 Xach: Is SBCL more popular than clisp? Seems like a lot of people stumble into the latter.... 19:31:37 I just bumped into corman when I was googling for lisp + win32 api, how is it? 19:31:45 rpg: Way more popular. 19:31:49 Bike: yes 19:31:54 and the two new impls that people are working on 19:31:57 genkinodenki: It is dead. 19:32:05 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:32:08 I see 19:32:15 Xach: that's a relief! clisp has been a pain for me to support on a number of open source things.... 19:32:21 people unstumble from clisp once they start doing something more serious 19:32:39 So, CLisp is the nooby lisp or something? 19:32:59 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:07 not really, it isn't as actively developed as sbcl 19:33:11 people just run into it for some reason 19:33:24 it has read-line support, which, apparently, is a big deal 19:33:30 stassats: seriously, it is 19:33:37 My sbcl repl is horrible to use 19:33:46 AeroNotix: just use SLIME 19:33:48 stassats: I think it's easier to stumble over in package installers.... 19:33:53 samebchase: yeahhh I should probably 19:33:54 that's because nobody uses sbcl repl 19:33:59 well, clisp is older, so many books might mention it 19:34:10 otherwise things will be too painful 19:34:12 AeroNotix: Does rlwrap help you? 19:34:17 not tried it 19:34:23 if you're not using slime (or some alternatives), you're doing it wrong 19:34:31 But I agree with the SLIME recommendation. 19:34:33 genkinodenki: cmucl is older still 19:34:44 I'm ok with doing it wrong for the time being, definitely will get SLIME all set up 19:35:17 it shouldn't be a big deal if you know how to use emacs 19:35:28 even if you don't it should be too hard 19:35:35 shouldn't 19:35:38 I know how to use emacs 19:35:43 good 19:35:46 I'm just lazy 19:35:57 rlwrap with sbcl was okay for me, though i much prefer slime. 19:36:18 yeah, rlwrap takes care of my 2 biggest annoyance 19:36:19 s 19:36:23 I think at one time people would see "GNU CLISP" and think "I use GNU C, so I guess GNU CLISP is good too" 19:36:23 stassats, I have no insight as to why I've never seen (or don't recall) cmucl mentioned anywhere, but clisp is thrown around a lot, even in the book Land of Lisp from past apparently as recent as 2010 19:36:28 it's like three lines to your .emacs and then you'll be set 19:36:29 That also happens with GCL, unfortunately. 19:36:29 writing anything more than a few lines of code in a repl just sucks. 19:36:48 Bike: depends if it does parens matching :) 19:37:01 oh also, pretty printing of history- retaining whitespace 19:37:06 depends if you want to lose it all 19:37:28 Aren't there some commands to dump a repl session to disk? 19:37:37 never done that myself, though 19:37:38 clhs dribble 19:37:38 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_dribbl.htm 19:37:39 yeah, in CL even, but it sucks. 19:38:04 it's way nicer writing in a buffer and just compiling occasionally. 19:38:39 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:26 AeroNotix, quicklisp-slime-helper is in repo 19:39:34 at least that's how I installed it this last time 19:39:39 In what repo? 19:39:45 guess :D 19:39:51 quicklisp? 19:39:53 in quicklisp. 19:40:04 So quicklisp is a centralized model? 19:40:22 AeroNotix: In many ways, yes. 19:40:52 any thoughts/ideas to decentralize it? Come up with a formal package specification system (ala rebar if anyone's familiar) 19:41:12 cons: need to write a config script, pros: packages can be hosted anywhere 19:41:15 systems are asdf, you don't need a central repository for that 19:41:21 I'd start by avoiding the term 'package'. :) 19:41:31 systems, then 19:41:41 AeroNotix: software can be hosted anywhere right now. i just have to write better docs about how to write the metadata to point the quicklisp software at it. 19:41:49 aha, ok 19:42:02 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:42:10 I think anyone determined could take a look at the metadata files and the code and see how to do it. I would like to make it accessible to the less determined. 19:42:28 cool, sounds good then 19:42:31 anybody know off the top of their heads where sbcl puts itself in arch? 19:42:38 archlinux? 19:42:48 /usr/bin/ 19:42:50 as usual 19:42:53 /usr/bin/ 19:43:01 just checked 19:43:02 not the binary, the data 19:43:06 cmucl is pretty much a direct competitor with sbcl, which descends from it. Since sbcl won, cmucl largely disappeared from view. 19:43:09 the core is probably in /usr/lib/sbcl/ 19:43:37 thanks Bike 19:44:21 SLIME's readme guesses it's in /opt 19:45:40 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 19:45:43 -!- ohsix [~ohsix@208.100.175.111] has left #lisp 19:45:52 i reckon cmucl is actually better maintained than clisp 19:47:30 Which httpc should I use? 19:47:32 drakma? 19:47:42 drakma's pretty nice, yeah 19:47:45 cool, ok 19:48:30 hi, is (or will be) cl-cffi-gtk available in quicklisp? (i mean this one http://www.crategus.com/index.php/projekte/) 19:48:42 AeroNotix, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_4vhsmRRI (slime tut) 19:48:47 gr4nf: just remembered - if you want a more stable knowledge of where the core is, try $SBCL_HOME env var 19:48:49 genkinodenki: cheers 19:48:53 -!- wws-ubuntu [wws@82841949.871B5088.B8C66328.IP] has quit [Ping timeout] 19:48:58 Can I change the quicklisp folder? 19:49:43 yes. you can specify that when you install QL 19:49:59 -!- wws-ubuntu [~wws@66.202.133.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:50:00 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 19:50:00 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:50:12 ah must've missed that 19:51:04 You can also just rename it after installation. 19:51:11 Everything is done relative to the setup file you load to load quicklisp. 19:51:16 gotcha, ok 19:51:53 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 19:52:21 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:06 i didn't find it in ql. 19:55:15 tolk: yeah. doesn't seem to be. Just clone that to you local-projects in your QL dir and then you can either ql:quickload or asdf:load-system it 19:55:28 s/you/your/ 19:55:35 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:55:52 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:33 just dropping it in local-projects, and i can asdf:load-system it? great 19:56:47 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Brb] 19:56:56 it would be really nice to try out gtk3 with CL : ) 19:56:59 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:09 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 19:57:41 tolk: you can put it anywhere asdf can find it 19:57:55 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:58:06 local-projects is a good place that's all 19:58:43 you may have to do ql:register-local-projects 19:58:55 once you've put it there 20:00:16 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 20:03:30 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:03:36 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:04:31 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:04:33 BitPuffin_ [~quassel@c83-254-19-137.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:04:38 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:07:28 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:07:55 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:58 mal___ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 20:09:19 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 20:11:08 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12:16 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:12:56 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:12 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:16:15 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 20:16:27 emmab [~dan@host-78-151-203-46.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:57 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:28 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:18:02 hi, is there something like "label" for let? 20:18:24 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:18:29 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:18:31 what ? 20:18:38 in terms of recursive binding? not in the standard 20:18:41 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:19:10 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 20:19:16 o.k., thanks 20:19:17 hiroakip: You mean let* 20:19:26 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:19:33 if you just want sequential there's let*, yeah 20:20:42 ahh, o.k. i'll give it a try :) 20:21:08 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:15 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:21:16 thanks 20:25:34 -!- _d3f [~gnu@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:25:47 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:25:50 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26:03 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 20:26:14 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:29:12 -!- Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29:32 -!- BitPuffin_ [~quassel@c83-254-19-137.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29:58 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:25 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:30:51 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:34:54 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-198-98.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:35:00 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36:44 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:36:58 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:21 travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has joined #lisp 20:37:25 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:24 I'm using read-line on some stream and I get ^M at the end of lines, I guess that's because the file has been produced on a windows machine and I'm not using that... before I go and manually string-right-trim that away is there something smarter to do about it? 20:38:50 are you still using flexi-streams? 20:39:58 yeah, I am 20:40:18 looking at the API there (was looking into the standard now, thinking it might be covered there) 20:40:26 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:40:32 then use (flex:make-external-format :utf-8 :eol-style :crlf) 20:40:58 thanks 20:40:59 periodicity03 [~periodici@67.182.147.102] has joined #lisp 20:41:22 is there a packaging 101 for Lisp? I'm just not getting it. 20:41:27 I only have to see about guessing that before calling into flexi-streams now, as I'm working on a tool that will be used with contents I know nothing about 20:41:32 what is packaging? 20:41:47 AeroNotix: I've had success using quickproject for some values of packaging 20:41:55 loading 3rd party code, mostly. Distributing my own code and making it work on other systems. 20:41:57 AeroNotix: http://weitz.de/packages.html 20:42:05 http://www.xach.com/lisp/quickproject/ 20:42:09 minion: please tell AeroNotix about xach-asdf 20:42:09 AeroNotix: direct your attention towards xach-asdf: Xach's article "Making a small Common Lisp project" can be found at http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 20:42:18 Bike: literally just read that and it doesn't help nearly enough as the author thinks it does. 20:42:24 PCL also has something http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html 20:42:28 oh, what did you have problems with? 20:42:36 well, if it's not covered by any of the three links you just got 20:42:48 Bike: the fact that it just talks about the definitions of the names and not actually how to... do any of it. 20:43:01 it allows you to ask proper questions 20:43:04 presumably the idea is that you think "oh, asdf, i should look that up" and then do that. 20:43:22 Like - I've (ql:quickload "drakma"), where is that code and how do I import it into my project? 20:43:52 minion: please tell AeroNotix about xach-asdf again 20:43:52 AeroNotix: you speak nonsense 20:43:57 that works too 20:44:02 haha 20:44:05 AeroNotix: your project should have an asdf system, which "depends on" drakma... or yeah just read that livejournal link. 20:45:42 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:58 Right, so I need to learn asdf 20:48:36 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:52:55 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:53:21 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 20:53:55 -!- Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:55:03 AeroNotix: Try using Xach's QUICKPROJECT, which should get you set up to roll. 20:55:03 -!- sellout- [~Adium@66.185.108.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55:10 ok I can actually detect the :crlf situation and make a new flexi-stream on top of the same stream with a new external format 20:55:18 rpg: I'll look into that as well 20:55:27 the code is not pretty but well 20:55:41 AeroNotix: That will build you a project with an asdf system definition, which should help you get rolling. 20:55:52 dim: you can't reliably detect the actual encoding 20:55:55 Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has joined #lisp 20:56:02 I know, believe me, I know 20:56:06 well, crlf, you can, but not encoding 20:56:22 *rpg* likes ASDF, but is not a fan of programming languages which force you to learn their build systems first.... 20:56:22 I'm working on a "try to guess I want to see it" situation 20:56:39 and when it's not what you wanted, just have a manual look and explain what you see to the tool 20:56:53 rpg: i never learned ASDF 20:56:53 because it's bonkers 20:57:06 I'm even guessing the CSV separator, and field names and types 20:57:31 stassats: I have been in the dank tunnels of ASDF, and forall x you might think, it's more bonkers than that. 20:57:37 I want to have a 80% cover of "here's a CSV file, figure it out and load it into my PostgreSQL server there." 20:57:47 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:57:52 Faré did amazing work cleaning it up, but there's a lot of irreducible hair in there. 20:57:56 including "here's a zip of CSV files, create the tables and load them from the contents" 20:58:12 20% of cases when it won't have a chance of working is acceptable for me here 21:00:35 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:59 -!- sdemarre [~serge@251.169-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:02:28 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:03:45 ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:04:20 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:31 -!- ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:04:54 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:57 ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:05:06 -!- ndrei_ [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:05:25 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:06:08 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-252-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:06:36 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06:53 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:07:17 travisr [~travisrod@17.115.46.218] has joined #lisp 21:07:47 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:02 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:08:10 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:28 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:09:03 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:09:21 resttime: for an irc bot, it would be nicer to have a NLP layer. So you would represent words with a more sophisticated data structure than a mere symbol or string anyways. 21:09:53 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:10:24 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10:38 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:51 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:10:57 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 21:11:14 makes sense, ever since I started the IRC bot I've been thinking fiercely about AI 21:11:44 ccccc [~cedric@modemcable169.181-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:11:51 holy shit slime 21:12:52 minion: please tell AeroNotix about slime.mov 21:12:52 AeroNotix: look at slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 21:13:29 stassats: really cool, will watch that vi 21:13:31 vid 21:14:01 vi? begone the devil! 21:14:24 I feel the pain 21:14:25 :P 21:15:16 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-247-93.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:15:25 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15:45 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@70-89-202-126-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:16:15 Hi, I have a question - I've got my own SEXP-based DSL, and I use the standard reader to parse it. I'd like to take note of the character-position of each SEXP in the file as I'm reading it so that I can hack SLIME into providing M-. and SLDB-like debugging. Is there a clean way of doing this? 21:16:50 not really 21:17:02 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17:39 well, I've got a start: I can replace use set-macro-character on #\( to intercept it, then pass it on to the standard function 21:17:57 then I get the stream, and I can ask for FILE-POSITION 21:18:29 unfortunately, there must be some caching going on, because all the numbers I get are multiple of 508 21:18:52 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:40 ccccc: you'd have to re-implement all the reader macros to do that. 21:19:48 is there anything more accurate than file-position? 21:20:05 It's possible to do it conformingly, but as always with the reader,  21:20:19 Like, you want to know the position bit for bit? 21:20:35 well, more or less. let me paste the code snippet I have: 21:21:26 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-198-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:21:38 But otherwise, right, file-position doesn't necesarily give a byte count either. Just a different increasing number for each byte or character. 21:21:57 arrr, copying doesn't work too well. Anyway, with (set-macro-character #\( (fn (stream char) ....) 21:22:11 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 21:22:30 I get the stream 21:22:37 matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:53 Yes, you can call file position here and call the original reader macro. 21:23:05 the associate the object read and the file position. 21:23:38 right - that's what I did, but all positions are multiples of 508 21:23:41 on SBCL 21:24:13 Good. Then you can divide by 508 :-) 21:24:14 the hyperspec says that file-position isn't reliable for text files 21:24:31 No, it says that it is not a byte count or a character count. 21:24:43 sbcl is perfectly conforming on that. 21:25:01 If you want to count characters, the best is to read all the file into a string. 21:25:23 well... sure, all it says is that the file position must "increase monotonically", which isn't saying much 21:25:37 ok 21:25:59 -!- cscorp [~csorp@50-192-42-94-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 21:26:27 You can then use (with-input-from-string (src source-string) (load src)) but file-position on src still won't return character counts. But you can do that on substrings of source-string. 21:27:00 ccccc: how do you load this file? 21:27:26 void64 [~luke@178.122.100.40] has joined #lisp 21:27:37 i find hard to believe your 508 story 21:27:41 I can load it any way I want - no constraint there 21:27:48 right now: 21:27:58 (alet (read-delimited-list #\) (make-concatenated-stream stream (make-string-input-stream ")") 21:28:01 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:28:16 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:28:43 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 21:29:22 what does that do? 21:29:34 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:46 it reads the file 21:29:51 it's from a recent Lisp tip 21:29:51 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:30:12 I didn't really question how it does it - it just returns a list of all SEXPs in the file 21:30:50 Why do you care about the exact values of file-position? 21:31:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:31:25 in SLDB with SLIME, when I move between frame, it shows me where I am in the source file 21:31:38 I'd like to do the same with my DSL 21:31:49 Well, with a concatenated stream, there's no source file! 21:31:53 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:32:07 ahhhhh, that could explain it 21:32:08 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:32:44 Just use (load "your.dsl") 21:32:55 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:01 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:33:17 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:33:31 Possibly with (let ((*package* (find-package "YOUR-DSL"))) (load "your.dsl")) 21:33:50 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:04 LOAD will interpret the code - my code is SEXP-based, but it's not common-lisp 21:34:28 Write the needed macros. 21:34:40 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:34:52 yeah, I'm trying to do that right now - I'm just not used to playing with files that much 21:34:55 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:35:09 ccccc: here's a proper way to read sexps: (loop while (peek-char t stream) collect (read stream)) 21:35:21 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:22 thanks! trying that now 21:35:37 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:36:34 kiuma [~kiuma@91.255.46.43] has joined #lisp 21:36:39 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@91.255.46.43] has left #lisp 21:37:06 I get an "end of file" error with that code 21:37:24 I'm sure that all parenthesis are closed 21:37:34 I'm trying it on a dummy file with just two SEXPs 21:37:36 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:37:38 oh, i forgot nil, (peek-char t stream nil) 21:37:50 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:37:53 ok, that works, let's see what file-position yields 21:38:15 cool, it works! 21:38:35 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:37 or at least, I get sensible numbers all around 21:38:52 or you can handle the eof-value of READ 21:38:52 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:39:51 like was suggested in the post where you picked up your code 21:39:53 ccccc: ask for your money back 21:40:08 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-143-176.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:18 -!- persizzl [~twosizes@gateway/tor-sasl/persizzl] has quit [Quit: persizzl] 21:40:20 except for using :eof as a sentinel 21:40:53 yeah, I'm pretty sure that all numbers are ok now. I'll switch to a different EOF value, sure. 21:41:20 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:23 thanks a lot stassats and pjb! 21:41:33 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:42:26 (loop while (peek-char t stream nil) collect (read stream)) may be perceived to be less clunky than (loop for s = (read stream nil stream) until (eq s stream) collect s) 21:42:27 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:42:33 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:42:45 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:43:01 "clunky" as in http://www.didierverna.net/blog/index.php?post/2013/06/26/Nice-little-trick-du-jour 21:43:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:04 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:43:11 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:43:12 Not by me. I prefer a single syscall. 21:43:29 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:43:54 yeah, that's where it came from 21:44:14 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #lisp 21:45:26 nilly [~nil@c-71-231-216-136.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:20 foom2 [jknight@nat/google/x-exhmktrdogctvkth] has joined #lisp 21:46:34 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:47:11 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:26 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 21:47:57 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 21:48:38 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:48:45 -!- foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:48:52 -!- arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51:18 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:19 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:16 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:54:49 Xach: could I take a peak at your .sbclrc? 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nothing seems to be moving 22:45:51 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45:54 were you after Malevich? 22:45:54 djanatyn: write a blog! ;-) 22:46:31 -!- void64 [~luke@178.122.100.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:39 pjb: hmm, good idea 22:47:46 i guess you can do Mondrian easily as well 22:47:49 and some Kandinsky if you try 22:47:53 stassats: who are those people? 22:48:03 I mean, I guess you could have movement if you did another thread 22:48:14 I was mostly just playing around with the graphical primitives 22:48:44 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 22:48:49 I think I'm going to be using lispbuilder-sdl for ludum dare, a 48 game jam that starts in about 4 days 22:49:14 sc00fy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:49:45 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:52 dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:46 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:52:04 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@75-142-59-12.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:32 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:52:47 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 22:58:16 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58:21 -!- sc00fy is now known as scoofy 22:59:11 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.87.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-252-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:02 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03:07 beltsonata [~beltsonat@cpc4-aztw5-0-0-cust216.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:44 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 23:06:14 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:04 tolk` [~user@host179.190-137-171.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:10:46 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-143-176.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:12:20 -!- tolk [~user@host135.190-226-87.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:15:03 -!- tolk` is now known as tolk 23:16:43 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 23:17:53 -!- ogamita [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-54-119.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:19:07 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:19:28 -!- igorw [~igorw@unaffiliated/igorw] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:36 igorw [~igorw@li559-253.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 23:19:42 -!- igorw [~igorw@li559-253.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:19:42 igorw [~igorw@unaffiliated/igorw] has joined #lisp 23:23:56 tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 23:24:10 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 23:25:15 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:09 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:27:25 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 23:28:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:00 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 23:33:44 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:01 -!- coreytrevor [~ma@95.211.191.41] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:34:36 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:16 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:36:14 paddymahoney [~patrick@24-246-29-188.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:31 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.170.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:36 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:39:07 -!- beltsonata [~beltsonat@cpc4-aztw5-0-0-cust216.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:43 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:52 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 23:45:31 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.4] 23:46:05 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 23:46:34 tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-74-0.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:18 Hi! What would be the easiest way to implement something like "Press any key in the next 10 seconds to cancel" before some kind of not-easily-stopped action? 23:48:47 you need to interact with your output medium directly 23:49:02 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:02 tigranes: with-timeout 23:50:31 -!- arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: arare] 23:51:37 Oh, that's nifty. 23:52:40 Thanks! 23:53:45 what will you with your with-timeout (which is not portable in itself)? if to send anything to lisp you need to press enter, not just any key? 23:56:09 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:56:59 Luckily I do have at least some direct interaction with the medium: StumpWM's y-or-n-p, which reads a key without needing an Enter 23:57:27 So, now I can have "lock-screen" command that waits 5-10 seconds for me to change my mind and terminate it :)