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[~Haskell@65.217.157.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:47 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:31:43 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:47 Are there any tricks to intercepting where in a big body of code a specific error originates? "Arglist Error: \\\":NOT-AVAILABLE is not of type SWANK-BACKEND:ARGLIST when accessing slot SWANK::REQUIRED-ARGS. <-- any way to zero in on a point in code triggering this? 02:32:53 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:34:00 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:08 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:35:09 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:17 mlamari: often times the backtrace contains some intermediate point which you recognize 02:36:13 mlamari: it looks a bit daunting at first, as all the levels are there, even the lowest level calls (like SWANK-BACKEND:ARGLIST), however, you should at least see some code belonging to yourself in the backtrace. 02:36:39 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:36:40 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:50 -!- sellout 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02:44:58 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:27 madnificent: I think I have it, I ended up defparametering the original function into a variable, then putting a macro under that that, if the param comes in, spits out another error with the unevaluated input form 02:46:23 mlamari: i often use macros named debug-print and debug-break which do what you'd expect them to do. 02:46:31 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:46:33 mlamari: that often helps. tracing can also help out. 02:46:51 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:58 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:48:53 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:04 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:51:16 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:34 I may have found something a bit screwy in swank; have to find out if the person who wrote it is still alive :) 02:52:26 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:53:43 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:51 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:55:09 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:57 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 02:56:18 -!- KarlDscc [~localhost@p5B2B3C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:19 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:56:49 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:07 mlamari: swank is being maintained. what do you think is wrong? 02:57:57 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:58:11 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:13 I should investigate more - tracked it down to compute-enriched-decoded-arglist, it's treating the function (from my library) differently - may be because it ends in an / 02:58:23 Or something about my lib 02:59:00 i doubt that / is something swank will bark on 02:59:03 Real question I have to figure is whether compute-enriched-decoded-arglist should *never* return :not-available, or if the caller has to be able to withstand it 02:59:20 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 02:59:22 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:24 mlamari: can you paste your own code, or is it much? 02:59:50 madnificent: (compute-enriched-decoded-arglist 'heresy::list/ nil) <-- heresy library 02:59:58 (That I happened to write years ago) 03:00:13 I need to isolate it more - I'll get there 03:00:41 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:00:42 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:12 Praise 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function lambda list" function is returning "don't know", and that slime has common provision for such a return - but it doesn't accept it, may have gone that route due to SBCL never giving back a fail 03:31:34 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:34 hellome [~lua@192.73.239.25] has joined #lisp 03:32:42 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:33:27 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:41 It can't take lispworks compiled functions 03:34:17 Aah - I've probably stripped all that info with my compile settings 03:34:35 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:34:35 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:14 zoek1 [~zoek1@189.128.215.3] has joined #lisp 03:35:32 zoek1_ [~zoek1@189.128.215.3] has joined #lisp 03:36:05 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:36:06 -!- Praise 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SBCL and CCL seem to be rather solid, with SBCL taking the lead. 03:37:14 I mean, this is either a bug or something not fully supported 03:37:19 Aye 03:37:26 Typical story, and I've used those 2 too 03:37:36 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:37:44 I'm one of 2 people using LW through emacs 03:37:46 mlamari: it's smart to ask here when others are here. IIRC slime devs are sometimes around. 03:37:58 I might be able to figure this out myself 03:38:28 This channel's gone very quiet over the years 03:38:32 mlamari: I know at least one user which uses it 03:38:35 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:50 I think CL has become less fashionable than in '06 when I first peektd in :) 03:39:44 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:40:15 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:01 mlamari: it's become more silent over the past few weeks, so i recon it's just the holiday season. if anything, a rather mature community has stayed around. 03:41:16 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 03:41:17 (I used to post as Modius btw) 03:41:22 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 03:41:22 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:24 I've been around on and off for years 03:41:40 Other fringe language chans are chattier. 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Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 04:21:22 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:44 (loop for (key value) on list ...) 04:21:53 on list by #'cddr, sorry 04:21:55 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 04:22:25 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:22:29 is there anything loop can't do? 04:22:52 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 04:23:19 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:27 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 04:24:34 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 04:24:46 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:54 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 04:26:24 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:33 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined 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[~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Client Quit] 10:41:27 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:49 I suspect there aren't any guarantees in that regard, only coincidences. 10:41:53 But I haven't surveyed. 10:42:23 My intended use-case is for things like: define a USD2GBP macro which retrieves the exchange rate at compile time 10:42:33 Elixir can do this, which is quite interesting in its own right 10:42:34 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:42:37 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:53 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:44:34 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:37 Interesting idea. Wouldn't it be inaccurate pretty quickly? 10:44:58 Well, yeah 10:45:10 For that use-case, it seems like you'd want to periodically re-fetch based on the age of the information. 10:45:12 But the possibilities with that are pretty interesting 10:45:25 Xach: I meant my use-case as "stuff like this", sorry 10:45:30 not particularly that 10:46:50 ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has joined #lisp 10:48:30 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:49:30 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:38 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:51:58 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:08 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:53:09 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:30 -!- danielszmulewicz [~daniel@5.144.62.28] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:56:49 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:57:32 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:33 AeroNotix: also, macroexpansion may occur in other context than compilation or execution. For example, while editing, or while debugging. See: swank:macroexpand-all 10:57:53 ok 10:58:18 AeroNotix: already, when you say "exchange rate at compile time" you have a big conceptual problem where. 10:58:21 s/w// 10:58:31 possibly 10:58:40 I thought macroexpansion happened solely at compile-time 10:58:49 since exchange rate change all the time, how is compilation time pertinent? 10:59:01 well, it was just an idea 10:59:09 Not that I genuinely want to get the xchange rate at compile time 10:59:16 but an example to ask "is this possibl" 10:59:40 could be something as insane as "the gps coords of the place you compiled it and compile that into the program" 11:00:19 So you compile your program now, get exchange rate of USD2GBP on 20130811; and then you run your program in 60 years. What makes you think the USD will even still exist in 50 years? How is the exchange rate of today pertinent to your program running in 50 years? 11:00:28 I just said; it's not 11:00:35 and you're missing the point of my question entirely 11:00:48 Forget about the exchange rate 11:00:57 use the gps coords example 11:01:32 danielszmulewicz [~daniel@5.144.63.250] has joined #lisp 11:01:33 Well, ok, it could be. So you can do that if that's the specification. After all, you can do whatever you want in macros, you have all lisp at your disposal. 11:02:44 It may still be better to use (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) ) to do something at compilation time, instead of in macros, since again, macros can be run in other contexts. 11:03:25 (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) (defvar *compile-time-location (gps:get-current-position))) 11:03:27 aha, so, (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) ..) is *guaranteed* to be ran at compile time? 11:03:38 Yes, as long as it's a toplevel form. 11:03:46 Lisp continues to amaze me 11:04:02 But then, there may be NO compilation time too. If you just (load "source.lisp"), then no :load-toplevel, no :compile-toplevel. 11:04:07 Just :execute. 11:04:22 That's fine, it's just some crazy question I had itching 11:05:24 ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:05:46 Is just (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) ) even used ever? 11:06:00 -!- ltbarcly [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:17 It's used often enough. 11:08:52 -!- nha [~prefect@p3E9E25FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:12:35 Shinmera: I have never seen anything but all three. 11:12:46 I haven't seen all code ever, though. 11:13:11 Yeah I can't think of a case where just :compile-toplevel would be useful. 11:13:50 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 11:14:08 For example, if you need to fetch data from the web at compilation time, you can put the http client in an eval-when (:compile-toplevel) to avoid having it occupy uselessly memory at run-time. 11:15:11 Sure, but as you said, that would fail if you (load) the source. 11:16:00 You asked for compilation time, not for loading the source time. If you want that, then do (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :execute) ) of course. 11:16:48 No, what I wasked is if it is ever used, because it doesn't seem useful for a library or application as it won't happen if someone happens to (load) it for whatever reason. 11:16:51 *asked 11:17:32 And by used I mean used alone and not in combination with :execute and :load-toplevel 11:17:35 Again the original question was about doing something only at compilation time. 11:20:17 sorry guys 11:22:50 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.106.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:09 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:35:40 -!- ffilozov [~user@119.red-80-28-107.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:56 yakov_ [~yakov@lagarm-9.ip.PeterStar.net] has joined #lisp 11:37:45 -!- ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:39:39 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 11:42:23 ASau` [~user@p4FF96CCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:46:01 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:12 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF97E5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:49:58 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B3C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:52:13 -!- mtd [~martin@82.68.80.108] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:52:50 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:35 codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 12:01:54 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 12:04:42 nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has joined #lisp 12:04:54 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:05:01 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:18 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:53 nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.135.194] has joined #lisp 12:06:52 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 12:10:00 nilsi_ [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has joined #lisp 12:13:35 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.135.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:19:01 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:27:03 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:35 nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.131.73] has joined #lisp 12:28:40 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-0-85.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:06 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:30:47 nilsi_ [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has joined #lisp 12:31:20 lurch_ [~lurch_@d54C0761D.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 12:31:30 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:01 nilsi_ [~nilsi@5.254.131.65] has joined #lisp 12:32:23 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 12:32:54 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:33:37 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.131.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:15 -!- wbooze__ [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-129-56.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:36:47 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:44:33 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-129-56.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:47:12 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@lagarm-9.ip.PeterStar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47:30 matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:26 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.54.27] has joined #lisp 12:53:59 -!- codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:54:52 Greetings! 12:55:09 Did I miss anything important? 12:56:17 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:46 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:57:23 nothing 12:59:06 That's good. 12:59:52 for you perhaps, but not for lisp. And you should be asking what you can do for lisp, not what lisp can do for you! 13:03:54 I just asked if I missed some important events. Of course I should do something and I'm writing that library which I've been writing for 2 months. 13:04:53 But this doesn't sound like something useful, right. =P 13:08:40 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10:20 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 13:11:00 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B3C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:47 lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has joined #lisp 13:19:28 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:22:23 13:23:10 https://gist.github.com/AeroNotix/6204869 13:23:15 why isn't this doing what I think it is 13:23:19 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:20 jeti [~user@p548EA0B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:24:10 basically, I want to pass switch pairs like ((exp1 exp2) (exp3 exp4)) and have the first of each sub list to be checked against the value I pass to switch 13:24:15 the macro-expand looks correct 13:24:25 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:24:40 round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 13:25:11 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@178.74.74.116] has joined #lisp 13:25:54 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.54.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29:07 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-026-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:29:56 zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.227] has joined #lisp 13:33:08 Why is this a macro in the first place? Wouldn't a simple loop do just as well? 13:35:18 first of all, VALUE is evaluated twice 13:35:33 more than once, that is 13:36:40 and the problem is that you for some reason quote '(first ,pair) 13:43:24 Shinmera: this has to be a macros, otherwise you can't make it conditionally evaluate 13:43:27 macro 13:43:52 -!- lurch_ [~lurch_@d54C0761D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: lurch_] 13:47:30 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:50:08 Kirk_ [~Kirk@120.28.217.236] has joined #lisp 13:50:51 -!- Kirk_ [~Kirk@120.28.217.236] has left #lisp 14:00:20 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:02:24 petrounias_ [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-40-239.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:04:38 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-15-53.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:38 -!- petrounias_ is now known as petrounias 14:06:53 Shinmera: it's just a learning excercise 14:07:06 yeah, will fix the multiple evaluations soon enough 14:08:48 stassats: don'tI need to quote? If I don't quote it tries to use the first value as a function 14:09:16 oh wait 14:09:19 yeah I get what you mean 14:09:28 you need ',(first pair) 14:10:01 yeah just figured that out 14:10:03 :) 14:10:13 and now to fix the multiple evaluation thing 14:10:22 I'm doing the google lisp-koans 14:10:45 and there's a section for 'cartoon-dads' to teach cond, so I thought I'd make a macro to evaluate pairs against a specific value 14:10:51 hence this macro 14:11:16 it has to be a macro 14:11:52 a proper switch, that is 14:12:30 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-129-56.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:12:37 to prevent evaluation of the forms? 14:12:48 right 14:12:59 ok cool 14:13:18 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13:43 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.232.25.168] has joined #lisp 14:13:55 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 14:15:50 AeroNotix: https://gist.github.com/AeroNotix/6204869#comment-884673 14:16:56 stassats: this is what I'd mostly came up with on my own 14:16:58 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-180-28.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:17:08 but thanks :) 14:17:24 left to the reader: handling multiple keys in a single clause 14:17:40 like (case x ((1 2 3) 'b) ((a b c) 'd)) 14:17:57 and handling {otherwise | t} 14:18:52 and you've got yourself CASE which uses EQUAL instead of EQL 14:19:52 nice 14:21:20 add a way to specify the test function, and the KEY function, and you get alexandria:switch 14:21:27 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:21:50 -!- madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21:55 &optional test? 14:21:59 would be nice 14:22:04 &key test key 14:25:16 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: danlentz] 14:26:04 codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 14:29:41 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:20 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 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to structure logic and package definitions?" 16:40:34 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:40:38 packages are for symbols, perhaps you're thinking about ASDF components? 16:41:27 the idiomatic way is to use ASDF 16:41:47 it will allow you to load files, and define systems which can depend on other systems 16:42:17 i think i get it 16:42:58 i was mixing (load) instructions into my package definitions, but load should only be used when all the logic is brought together - either to compile or read in logic in the repl 16:43:30 bitonic [~user@net-93-159-145-154.connected.pl] has joined #lisp 16:44:04 minion: xach-asdf? 16:44:04 xach-asdf: Xach's article "Making a small Common Lisp project" can be found at http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 16:46:36 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:57 nice article; thanks! 16:48:01 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:51:37 GuilOooo 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gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:21:00 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:25:21 Hi 20:28:20 This code http://paste.lisp.org/display/138415 crashes with "Unhandled memory fault at #xE1." And I don't know why. 20:31:50 if you want to use Qt, use commonqt 20:34:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:06 I have already written several lines c++ code. I would prefer to use them directly, instead of rewriting using commonqt. This is just a minimal example that crashes. 20:36:12 If I delete the line "new QApplication(argc, argv);" everything works fine... 20:36:44 otherwise it crashes in the call to sb-ext:run-program 20:37:04 several lines? 20:37:38 933 to be precise... 20:37:58 that's not "several" 20:39:54 (multiple-value-bind) is scoped? 20:40:01 like let 20:40:07 yes 20:40:10 cool, thanks 20:40:18 -!- dented42 [~dented42@1667024149.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:31 every binding form is like that 20:40:35 ah ok 20:42:08 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:44:04 dented42 [~dented42@1667024149.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #lisp 20:45:26 Luna__: I have no idea if this is your problem, but things might expect that argv[1] is NULL 20:45:54 5.1.2.2.1 Program startup 20:45:54 ... 20:45:55 -- argv[argc] shall be a null pointer. 20:46:09 okay 20:46:16 I test that. 20:48:06 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:50:18 it's int &argc, not int argc 20:51:06 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:52:13 stassats`, What do you mean? 20:52:16 which probably doesn't matter, since you're not calling QApplication constructor directly 20:52:41 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:53:03 Hi 20:53:21 Adding an zero pointer at the end of argv does not fix the problem. 20:54:10 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-053-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:54:45 Luna__: then I suggest attaching gdb and finding out what's going on 20:58:20 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:10 The stacktrace is meaningless... Since it crashes in the sb-ext:run-program ... 21:03:43 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 21:04:56 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:23 codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 21:07:14 is (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op ...) to be replaced by (asdf:load-system ...) in newer versions of ASDF? 21:08:43 Luna__: look, if we are using Common Lisp is only because we don't want to deal with crashes in C or C++ programs. Just rewrite your crashing code into lisp! 21:09:42 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10:18 -!- codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:32 It's so much easier to write (list argument) instead of dealing with vectors of pointers 21:12:58 tolk: don't think so, i believe it's just a short form 21:13:58 tolk` [~user@host225.190-226-91.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:14:38 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:15:13 yes, point 12.2.5: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#FAQ doesn't seem like the old method is deprecated 21:15:14 tolk: it has been replaced by (ql:quickload ) in practice 21:15:25 :-) 21:16:07 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:16:40 -!- tolk [~user@host232.190-226-88.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:18:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:19:02 pjb: hehe right. i mean at the asdf level 21:19:19 -!- tolk` is now known as tolk 21:19:51 quicklisp is very nice :) 21:23:22 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 21:23:40 hey all 21:24:02 I have a loop, and each iteration I am generating a list, and at the end of the loop, I want all of the lists to be appended together 21:24:04 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:24:11 is that what I use collect for? 21:24:30 append 21:24:58 or nconc, if you feel it's save 21:25:00 safe 21:25:04 (loop append (generate-a-list)) or (loop nconc (generate-a-fresh-lsit)) 21:25:39 is append a loop construct? 21:25:52 a loop directive 21:25:52 or am I supposed to use it in they body somewhere? 21:25:56 er thats what I meant, 21:25:57 thanks! 21:26:00 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:26:46 so (loop append for elt in elts. or 21:26:58 loop for elt in elts append 21:27:14 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:04 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:29:52 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-30-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:30:25 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 21:30:32 cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-225-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:30:35 thanks all 21:31:11 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:32:29 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:59 ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:47 ardo [~user@151.67.86.77] has joined #lisp 21:41:08 -!- arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:54 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:45 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:44:32 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:50:00 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:10 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:50:14 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:07 hm 21:52:11 I don't get it... 21:52:25 commonqt seems to do exactly the same what I do... 21:53:16 If I am going to rewrite everything in lisp. Which is the most actively maintained GUI toolkit for lisp? 21:53:17 probably the problem is that you exit 21:53:35 argc should remain during the whole extent of QApplication 21:53:44 but it lives only the extent of init_gui 21:53:53 or however these things are called in c++ 21:54:01 since it's not just an int, but a reference to an int 21:54:20 oh 21:54:33 that might... 21:55:02 and forking may somehow make it crash 21:55:09 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:55:30 maybe due to something like atexit or on_exit 21:57:22 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 21:59:22 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:59:50 If I create a pointer for argc on the heap It still crashes... 22:00:42 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:05 I mean... somehow "new QApplication" seems to vandalize the memory of sbcl, such that it crashes later... 22:01:55 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:03:30 noob question, I have a list, and I want to append a symbol to it 22:03:44 clhs append 22:03:45 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_append.htm 22:03:47 (append '(and x) 1) gives (and x. 1) 22:03:48 clhs cons 22:03:48 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_cons.htm 22:04:08 (append '(and x) (list 1)) 22:04:11 jangle_: both arguments to append should be lists if you want a list 22:04:16 oh.. 22:04:18 thanks all 22:04:23 proper lists, that is 22:04:59 -!- azathoth99 [~g@cpe-98-154-167-186.socal.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 22:05:53 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:26 Luna__: if you construct the arguments on the cpp side and just call a void function from lisp, does it still happen? 22:06:47 jangle_: wrong. (append '(and x) 1) doesn't give (and x. 1), but (and x . 1). 22:07:06 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:07 i think we can see what jangle meant from context 22:07:09 type, yes 22:07:14 typo* 22:07:16 wrong, it doesn't give "(and x . 1).", there's no dot at the end 22:07:17 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 22:07:21 Perhaps, but it is a very important difference. 22:07:22 :-D 22:08:14 wrong, you have to consider readtable-case. wrong, you could have altered the printer to make it say "happy day". wrong, you could be in the foo: package where append means cons 22:08:42 wrong, i can't be wrong! 22:09:07 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:09:48 stassats`, Yes... It still happens then. 22:09:52 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 22:10:05 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 22:11:02 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:15 Luna__: the problem with foreign code, is that it's not introspectable or debuggable (well, you can use gdb as advised above). You have to have the source, to know what you can pass as argument. An header like extern int f(int c,char** v); doesn't give enough information to be usable. 22:15:05 That is: it is not a lisp problem it's a C++/C problem, so you'd better go ask on ##c or ##c++. 22:15:18 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:56 okay 22:17:04 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 22:17:04 Well, thank you. 22:17:10 but it is a lisp problem 22:20:53 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:21:18 -!- ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:36 ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:56 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:22:30 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 22:25:39 two- [~1@67.23.193.215] has joined #lisp 22:25:46 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:08 -!- brzpin1 [~b@p57925C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:27:07 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:17 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:43 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:03 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:16 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:24 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:01 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:31:09 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:18 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 22:31:36 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:10 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 22:33:23 -!- ardo [~user@151.67.86.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:42 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34:48 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:27 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:50 -!- two- [~1@67.23.193.215] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:36:32 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 22:44:33 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 22:44:52 -!- ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:45:25 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-250-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:48:09 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:47 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 22:50:29 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:25 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-157-62.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 22:52:35 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 22:58:05 ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:23 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:29 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:45 coder` [~user@p5491A702.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:06:53 -!- Mandus [~aasmundo@128.39.36.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:07:06 Mandus [~aasmundo@128.39.36.51] has joined #lisp 23:07:43 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:10:46 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 23:20:25 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:23:24 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzZ] 23:24:20 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:40 cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:15 Well... I am giving up for today... 23:27:25 Bye... and thank you, again. 23:27:34 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abog84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:27:38 -!- Luna__ [~Luna@ip-178-200-76-240.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:47 AeroNotix [~xeno@abog84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:57:57 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:58:59 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving]