00:08:05 why doesnot CCL allow the shebang: "#!/bin/sh \n #| exec ~/ccl/fx86cl -Q -n -l $0 |#" ? However, CLISP does allow 00:08:30 "because it doesn't" 00:08:44 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 00:09:24 why ? do i need to #'set-macro-characer in CCL ? 00:09:31 Dunno if this is off topic here, so just say so. If I'm making my own lisp engine/interpreter, does it make sense to make all lists double? 00:09:41 "double"? 00:09:44 myrkraverk: it doesn't 00:09:46 doubly linked. 00:10:13 stassats, Hmm, ok. 00:10:56 I guess some sort of special syntax for double lists can be made. 00:11:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:30 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:27 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:14:35 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-duhkdyadtzrivytl] has joined #lisp 00:22:05 fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-122-203-49.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 00:23:35 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 00:23:51 -!- CrazyEddy [~upshove@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Quit: .] 00:24:58 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 00:24:58 CrazyEddy [~electrops@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined 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*a*)) (let ((*a* 1)) (declare (special *a*)) (pa)) the LET binds 1 to the global value slot of *a* and it becomes special. Internally there doesn't need to be a flag within the symbols slots to indicate that it has become special - right? 04:13:25 drmeister: it's only special in the lexical extent of that let 04:13:49 I declared a "isSpecial" slot but I think it's redundant and causing me some grief because I've been binding the value slot but not setting the "isSpecial" flag. 04:14:18 Bike: Yes, once the LET lexical scope ends I undo the binding back to what it was before the LET. 04:14:22 mayeb you want it for global special declarations? i don't know. 04:14:30 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:14:32 drmeister: I mean, with your code *a* could be lexical in pa 04:14:38 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af50b88.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:15:24 Right - I guess (defvar *a*) has to indicate somehow that the variable *a* is a special while leaving the global value slot unbound. 04:15:37 yeah, you could put that in the global environment instead, though. 04:16:56 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:18:28 -!- Guest91483 [~ivan@201.82.138.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19:29 Ok, I think I know what to do - thanks. 04:22:29 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-115-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:23:23 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:28:01 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:35:44 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:36:29 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:11 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-26-107.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:40:40 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:40:41 m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:58 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 04:44:41 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:46:39 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 04:49:01 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 04:50:27 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-59-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:51:13 What's the best way to loop across a plist like (:a 1 :b 2 :c 3) and translate it into an alist like ((a . 1) (b . 2) (c . 3)) 04:52:56 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:26 ahungry: alexandria:plist-alist 04:55:01 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vcxwhskzwoinuphy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:55:27 thanks 04:58:10 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 05:00:29 seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:00:48 ahungry: but to answer your question, i usually do (loop for (key value) on plist by #'cddr collect (cons key value)) 05:01:56 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:18 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:04:06 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 05:04:10 ty 05:05:05 sdemarre [~serge@80.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 05:15:20 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 05:17:56 Ryan_Burnside [~user@63-153-65-134.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:48 Good evening. Quick question, why does Lisp allow illogical decimals like0.3047999954223633d0 ? I noted the repeating 9999 05:19:22 "illogical"? 05:19:45 Well, with a decimal after a number repeats twice in the remainder it goes on forever, correct? 05:20:22 Could you rephrase that, I'm not sure I understand. 05:21:17 Ryan_Burnside: the number that you've provided is not a decimal, but a float. 05:21:25 Ryan_Burnside: no float "goes on forever". 05:21:56 it sounds like ryan might be confused just about decimals, though. 0.9999481 is a perfectly fine number 05:22:34 veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:46 Maybe I was taught incorrectly in school then... 05:22:52 Bike: not entirely unlikely. i don't know enough about numbers to tell :) 05:22:58 -!- veer is now known as Guest18398 05:23:20 H4ns: i figure if you don't understand numbers pretty well there's not a chance in hell of understanding ieee floats 05:23:33 I know when doing manual division with pencil and paper, you can stop once a digit repeats in the remainder or you could go on forever. 05:23:39 Ryan_Burnside: .9999481 is just the fraction 9999481/10000000 05:23:51 Ryan_Burnside: i don't think you heard your class right, because that's obviously wrong 05:24:07 Ryan_Burnside: if you divide 33 by 100, the answer is .33, yes? not .3333333... 05:24:30 Damn, he's right... 05:24:53 not to say you can't run into nonterminating decimals in long division, but that's a bit more obvious 05:24:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:24:59 I was always told it was .33 repeating 05:25:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:25:13 well, 1/3 is .333... repeating, but 33/100 is not 1/3, obviously. 05:25:21 Bike: that is why i avoid floats and if i can't, read up on them. it is just that i don't need them often enough to remember. 05:25:26 whoops 05:25:27 and anyway as H4ns said this is distinct from floats. 05:25:55 I do love that Common Lisp provides true fractions. 05:26:19 Bike: one important thing that i try to always remember is "don't mix up floats for decimals" 05:26:23 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:42 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:26:42 yeah, definitely 05:27:31 Maybe that is where the slight error is comming in on my calculation program. 05:28:15 Ryan_Burnside: i bet (- 4 3.9) doesn't say 0.1? 05:28:54 Oh, you're right. 05:29:15 yeah, floats aren't "exact" per se 05:29:38 this is why, e.g., you've probably been told never to use floats for currency 05:29:57 Hmmm I don't recall it being this way in other languages... 05:30:35 fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-122-203-49.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 05:30:44 your CL implementation is almost certainly using IEEE floats like every other system you have 05:30:50 Hmmm Python gives 0.10000000000000009 05:30:54 guess it is off too 05:30:56 yeah, that's a double. 05:31:03 (- 4 3.9d0) in lisp will get you that, maybe. 05:31:04 -!- sdemarre [~serge@80.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:31:51 Ryan_Burnside: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html for exciting details 05:32:19 I guess if I really wanted to be precise I could encode numbers in strings, then do my own calcultions. Avoding being bound to byte sized numbers... 05:32:40 or you could use rationals. 05:33:27 rationals will use bignums, you won't get error if you're not doing anything transcendental, and iirc you aren't. 05:33:46 -!- fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-122-203-49.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 05:33:50 I'll look into rationals, thank you. 05:33:56 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:02 that's just "true fractions" like you said 05:34:38 ltbarcly [477449c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.116.73.196] has joined #lisp 05:35:02 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:35:26 I don't know how I've managed to program for 5 years and never realized thta a simple float could be "off" when only a handful of digits are involved. 05:36:12 so, in sbcl, when I disassemble a function, all the values are doubled? I don't know assembly well, but here is the line: ; 93: BF02000000 MOV EDI, 2 ; that should be adding 1, but it shows it as a 2? If I change it to adding 3, it shows a 6? 05:36:26 ltbarcly: tag bits 05:36:30 ahh 05:36:37 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:36:44 so it uses the least significant digit as a tag or something? 05:36:45 just curious, what type should I use for currency then? 05:36:55 also, what is it tagging? garbage? 05:37:14 ltbarcly: it's runtime type tagging, so it knows it's a fixnum and not a pointer or something 05:37:35 samebchase: you can just compute with cents (which is basically fixed point i guess) 05:37:35 weird, thanks 05:38:04 ah. okay. that's sounds like a better way to do things. 05:38:14 ltbarcly: like, you have to be able to distinguish "181911" and the address 181911 in memory at runtime, so... 05:38:46 Ryan_Burnside: if it's any consolation, programmers have made way worse mistakes with floats than you have :) 05:39:01 is this a holdover from when it had a conservative gc? 05:39:25 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:39:51 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 05:39:54 Odd, C++ returns "0.1" for 4.0 - 3.9. 05:40:02 Ryan_Burnside: possibly rounded 05:40:21 ltbarcly: sbcl's gc is still conservative i think, and no it would be necessary anyway 05:40:37 I wonder how other VM's like Java do it 05:40:44 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 05:40:50 I think SBCL is generational on amd64 05:40:56 If Java was truly garbage collecting, it would collect itself. 05:41:02 can be generational and conservative. 05:41:07 *rimshot* 05:41:15 >:} 05:41:16 oh, I guess that's true 05:41:17 java is statically typed, so the compiler can generate code that only knows how to deal with numbers, or with addresses, or whatever 05:41:31 i imagine dynamically typed JVM languages do some tagging but i really don't know 05:41:36 it also has type erasure 05:41:39 which is dumb 05:41:49 not really related to tagging, is it? 05:42:00 don't get me started on Java 05:42:02 jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 05:42:16 don't get started on java, it's offtopic :P 05:42:44 I doubt anyone in #java would subscribe to my newsletter though 05:45:52 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:47:28 aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 05:49:24 I'd like to have a REPL on Arduino. 05:49:34 But very very limited space for implimentation. 05:52:07 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:52:07 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 05:52:13 -!- ltbarcly [477449c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.116.73.196] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:52:18 2 KB of ram. A string of 2000 characters kills it. :) 05:53:52 maybe you could have a "repl" on a connected computer that compiled input from the computer and sent that to the arduino to execute? 05:55:46 Not sure, would be awesome to program the Arduino in real time though. I love that about Lisp. 05:57:09 I'd be willing to bet that original Lisp implimentations were designed to run in atleast 1MB of memory... 05:57:21 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:58:07 -!- m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:58:12 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:58:42 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:59:58 brzpin [~b@p4FF7C961.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 06:00:08 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:00:47 Ryan_Burnside: your prayers answered: http://playground.arduino.cc/Interfacing/Firmata 06:01:08 I don't think PDPs had that much ram 06:02:16 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:03:10 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012a7a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:05:18 -!- aftershave 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I know it did *something* with implementations, but I don't remember what. 12:49:19 clbuild came to my mind too before I asked here, but from the first glance on the webpage I had impression it only installs libraries 12:50:53 it does seem to have code for getting and building implementations 12:50:59 e.g. "clbuild update sbcl" 12:51:58 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:52:55 -!- Gooder``` [~user@37.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:54:08 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:55:50 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-151-136.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:59 I am trying clbuild2 - the recent version 12:56:06 it doesn't have command "update sbcl" 12:56:10 darn 12:56:21 is this for cl-test-grid? 12:56:38 kind of yes 12:56:50 I am interested in a quick way to install many lisp implementations 12:57:04 -!- karvus [~user@1385156315.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:06 it would be good to have a script or maybe a VM with many lisps installed 12:57:10 It would be nice if there were .deb/.rpm/whatever repos for such things. 12:57:12 yes 12:57:36 antonv_: I'm thinking about publishing my intermediate build test dists on a daily/weekly basis to make them easier to test. 12:57:53 good 12:57:59 they would not be permanent (like official dists), only the last 100 or so would be avialable 12:58:33 ok 12:59:12 let me know when it will be available in some form, we can then try to setup interaction between cl-test-grid and quicklisp release process 13:00:15 will do 13:00:25 -!- keen________ [~blackened@p3b9314f9.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:35 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 13:00:53 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-228-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:16 keen________ 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There seems to be a problem with this macro - http://paste.lisp.org/+2YPV . I can call (construct-url search "something") and it works, but (construct-url lookup "something") doesn't seem to work. When I macroexpand it, the "search" case shows a proper format statement while the lookup case just shows (format nil). 15:06:45 pranavrc: this shouldn't be a macro 15:07:20 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@adsl-108-82-84-49.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 15:07:57 dlowe, can you elaborate a little bit? Fairly new to CL, and I'm lost on why it would only recognize one case. 15:08:44 it should be a function 15:09:11 it should be a function that takes a keyword 15:09:20 (construct-url :search "something") 15:09:54 pranavrc: it's because SEARCH is CL:SEARCH but LOOKUP is MY-MACRO-PACKAGE::LOOKUP. 15:10:01 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:10:24 And passing MY-APPLICATION-PACKAGE::LOOKUP isn't EQL in your CASE. 15:10:32 and there's no need to wrap known cases of CASE into a list 15:10:43 just (lookup ...) will do 15:13:13 Alright, that makes sense, because everything other than "search" refuses to work, even if I replaced "search" with something else. Thanks! 15:13:55 pranavrc: it should still be a function, though. 15:13:57 pranavrc: i think you should also implement it as a function instead of a macro as people pointed out above 15:14:10 The Hive Mind has spoken 15:14:24 Yeah, doing that right now 15:14:38 Xach, your article on quickproject/Quicklisp was a life-saver. Thanks for that one too ;) 15:14:47 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:57 glad it helped. my new book about the package system will help with this kind of confusion next! 15:15:34 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-115-87-20-42.revip4.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:15:41 fwiw, I didn't get pranavrc's error 15:16:03 dlowe: I would guess because you didn't try to use it from a different package. 15:16:12 actually 15:16:14 cl-user 15:16:19 (macroexpand '(construct-url lookup foo)) => (format nil "~a" foo) 15:16:20 it works on the REPL 15:16:25 weirdly 15:16:30 s/weirdly// 15:16:35 (macroexpand '(construct-url search foo)) -> (FORMAT NIL "~a~a" "foo" FOO) 15:17:00 Not interesting; it's interesting if you have the macro defined in package FOO and don't export LOOKUP. 15:17:08 And then attempt to use it when the current package is BAR. 15:17:19 ah, yeah. okay, I got it. 15:18:24 Xach: when i you planning for that book to be out? 15:19:05 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:19:15 Sometime before september 15:19:17 Year uncertain 15:20:44 man, all the cool kids are writing books 15:20:46 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 15:22:57 In my case I'm just saying I'm writing a book 15:23:18 Nobody is funding it and I haven't started beyond writing a lot of code-as-exposition 15:23:39 And it doesn't take much code, so maybe it won't be a book as much as a series of tweets 15:23:56 a pamphlet 15:24:17 lol so what is your take on the poor maligned CL package system? 15:25:05 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:25:23 mal___: I like it. It can be understood. I want to make it easier to understand, to the point where people try to understand it thoroughly instead of working solely from intuition. 15:26:03 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@h-69-3-174-99.lsan.ca.megapath.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:20 There are a few key definitions and a few key operations and from there you can hopefully avoid problems in the first place and fix problems created by people who started hacking without understanding. 15:26:26 oh good. there's a bunch of stuff out there about it by people who criticise it for not being what they need or think they need. 15:26:52 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.143] has joined #lisp 15:27:04 It does what it does, and it's standard, so I think it's good to understand it. 15:27:10 indeed 15:27:49 Is it a function in CL which creates variable and assigns a value to it only if value is true (non-nil)? Kind of let with predicate. 15:27:52 it wasn't meant to be a module system so it's unfair to criticise it about that. like Ron Garrett does occasionally. 15:28:15 you cannot have lexical variables without a value 15:28:59 I dont want to. 15:29:09 mal___: I'm partly inspired by Ron Garret's awful guide to the package system. I do not like that it's still used as an introduction. The chapters in PCL and even the hyperspec are pretty clear. 15:29:09 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:23 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:29:24 Xach: an excellent point to clarify. i made that very mistake when I first started out. 15:29:26 But I want to make something nice and standalone. 15:30:19 cnl: what do you want then? 15:32:01 hi. is "the complete idiots guide to CL packages" recommendable? 15:32:08 no 15:32:18 by erann gat 15:32:19 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:36 are you being serious? 15:32:36 tolk: It presents accurate information with inaccurate context. 15:32:47 oh 15:32:49 or is it just a coincidence 15:33:10 stassats, I need let function analonue wich will first check given value and only if this value non-nil, it will create variable. So variable would only be non-nil. 15:33:19 LET is not a function 15:33:40 and lexical variables do not work like that 15:33:46 cnl: If you had that kind of thing, what would you write with it? 15:34:00 if you don't want lexical variables, you should say so 15:35:10 I wonder if the desire is for something like WHEN-LET. 15:35:21 cnl: perhaps you could give us some context about what problem you are trying to solve because your request doesn't make much sense. 15:35:22 wheelsucker [~user@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:30 tolk: Erann Gat changed his name to Ron Garret 15:35:39 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-qocctkfxvqdhggrg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:53 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:04 Xach: damn i didn't know that 15:36:20 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 15:37:01 -!- wheelsucker [~user@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:38:41 I have function which return nil if everything is fine and a symbol if something wrong. In first case I want to do foo, but in second I need to do bar with returned symbol. 15:39:45 (let ((var (func args))) (if var (bar var) (foo)) 15:39:51 and what does creating or not creating variables have to do with it? 15:40:03 varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnfjdizpwvwlwhdt] has joined #lisp 15:41:57 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:43:32 mal___, that's how I did, but I wonder if let-when exists to avoid if. 15:43:44 to avoid what? 15:43:52 (if 15:43:55 let-when will do exactly the same thing 15:44:31 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has joined #lisp 15:44:58 -!- hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:06 But it will be more compact. 15:45:10 when-let is the saner variant of anaphoric if 15:45:23 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-161-139.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:34 cnl: what makes you think that more compact code on screen is better? 15:45:40 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:45:44 would you prefer APL then? 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16:16:34 Isn't scratch a smalltalk? 16:17:26 I think it's neither 16:17:37 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:18:09 aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:18:20 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-16-29.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:57 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-2-44.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:19:43 I thought it was at least running on a smalltalk-based platform. 16:19:50 is scratch a scheme then? 16:20:00 Perhaps the language/environment itself is neither. 16:20:24 by the way what is a scheme, racket , dialect etc.. 16:21:14 It is as I thought it was: Scratch is written in Squeak (more about that in a moment) and is an open source project. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15138/scratch_squeak_alice_and_go_programming_for_kids_adults_and_everyone_else 16:21:26 i registered for LISP in Summer Projects.. i came across these words there.. 16:21:37 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-16-29.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:22:00 Cool, what's your idea for the project? 16:22:46 yet to decide.. i've been browsing through source codes n sample projects. 16:23:02 I'm a newbie to LISP :P 16:23:38 antoszka : r u taking part too? 16:23:58 I'd like to, but no time and no ideas. 16:25:20 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.81.209] has joined #lisp 16:25:20 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.81.209] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:20 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 16:25:34 oh.. i'm not very sure on what i should be doing.. initially i thought i'll take up documentation.. but i wanted to create some games.. 16:25:53 I'm a little familiar with scratch.. 16:26:56 anyone's got any suggestions.? 16:27:10 what exactly do you do in documentation? 16:30:03 indra_: first suggestion: no one has used LISP in all caps for decades 16:30:12 :) 16:30:26 indra_: you've done some programming, then? 16:30:40 -!- stopbit [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:53 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:58 stopbit [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has joined #lisp 16:31:05 yeah.. as in not in LISP.. but in other languages 16:31:42 indra_: Take a look at Practical Common Lisp 16:32:06 i've worked with C, Java, Python, php, n a little of scratch 16:32:42 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:34:39 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has joined #lisp 16:34:59 dlowe: thank you . i'll go through Practical Common Lisp 16:35:04 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:04 indra_: this might help too - http://random-state.net/files/nikodemus-cl-faq.txt 16:37:09 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:38:02 -!- ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:24 boy, I wish all the newcomers would read that faq. Didn't it used to be in the title? 16:39:06 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 16:40:11 :D thanks dlowe. this is great! 16:40:32 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-cpqzxvneiosrpsla] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:23 ebobby [~fms@38.99.41.92] has joined #lisp 16:43:37 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:56 ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 16:45:20 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:45:44 wheelsucker [~user@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:12 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:50:53 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:03 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:48 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:52:05 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@c-98-224-102-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] 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which doesn't look great too 18:33:57 no types looks the best 18:34:23 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 18:34:41 what is lisp about?? 18:34:59 ayu: about being smug and feeling superior to other people 18:35:50 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:36:00 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:36:40 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:48 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 18:37:52 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:38:26 -!- ayu [75c09bb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.192.155.177] has left #lisp 18:38:37 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Client Quit] 18:39:47 indra [75d8c909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.216.201.9] has joined #lisp 18:40:06 -!- indra [75d8c909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.216.201.9] has left #lisp 18:43:04 -!- eudoxia 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It's the job of a static analyser, not of a programmer. 18:50:57 dlowe: perhaps he realized that lisp is not for him based on that description 18:53:47 -!- oleo [574fc668@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.79.198.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:53:58 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:54:05 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:58:55 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:03:32 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:03:34 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:52 AntiSpamMeta_ [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 19:03:52 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Killed (asimov.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:03:52 -!- AntiSpamMeta_ is now known as AntiSpamMeta 19:03:53 Oberon_Kidnapped 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I didn't believe him; but in hinsight now, how pertinent and wise it was... 20:19:13 does anyone know of a way to search your slime REPL history for quick access (similar to ctrl-R at a shell prompt)? 20:19:39 M-p 20:21:00 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:36 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-56-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:21:44 stassats: M-p only lets me cycle one at a time. I want to actually search with a string 20:22:07 M-p search from the beginning 20:22:58 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-209.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:46 C-c M-r 20:25:49 I'm getting C-c M-r is undefined. Do I need to config something for that? 20:26:39 fe[nl]ix: same here. 'C-c M-r is undefined' 20:26:47 okay 200 seems to be the default limit for slime history. 20:28:12 hm there's a slime-repl-(load/save)-history 20:31:01 right 20:31:02 maybe the source of slime-repl-previous-input can provide some hints. Patching SLIME may be necessary to get what you are after. 20:31:03 (define-key slime-repl-mode-map (kbd "C-c M-r") 'slime-repl-previous-matching-input) 20:31:07 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 20:31:14 oh. nice. 20:31:46 this is neat. regex search on slime input. 20:32:20 that's what M-r is bound to 20:32:31 and it's nothing like C-r in the shell 20:32:50 I wonder why I put it on C-c M-r 20:32:52 M-p is much better if you just need to search from the beginning of commands 20:32:59 that binding's years old 20:33:13 followed by C-r 20:33:59 I always start with slime-repl-previous-matching-input then use M-p to go to the previous match 20:34:21 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:40 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:30 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:43:23 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-59-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:44:31 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.255.56] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:44:41 Wukix: does that suit your needs ? 20:45:23 fe[nl]ix: good enough. 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lisp 23:16:54 this channel is for common lisp only 23:17:10 is there a channel which is about lisp in general? 23:17:15 gavri: ML was the favourite pony in many academic circles in 90s. Scotland rammed in Haskell. Lisp family went wayside in between masturbating to complex vocab describing type systems 23:17:20 gavri: no 23:19:12 nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8142eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:39 thanks, p_l and stassats 23:20:02 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 23:21:09 p_l, probably too vague a question, but how much of algorithms books based on haskell do you think would transfer over to a language like common lisp? 23:21:24 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@cst-prg-48-254.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:22:07 -!- __prefect [~prefect@koln-4d0b516d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:22:11 common lisp is not focused on functional programming 23:24:09 gavri: well... a bit would transfer over, but if you used it in common lisp you'd probably need to write some abstractions for yourself etc. 23:24:33 thanks again, p_l and stassats 23:24:45 -!- gavri [~gavri@27.57.31.221] has left #lisp 23:25:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:27:25 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:21 Bacteria [~Bacteria@c-98-224-102-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:13 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64B97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:34:02 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@cst-prg-40-252.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 23:36:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64B97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37:08 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:37 -!- joooooo [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:51:11 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:55 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed]