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They only differ in the name/atom "TxURL". How can I do this without using eval or repeating the definition? 11:10:43 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:44 using macros, naturally 11:12:44 stassats, memo from pkhuong: something like https://github.com/pkhuong/sbcl/tree/mnesic-type-tests 11:13:07 but i would advise you to strongly consider whether you actually need such symbol macros 11:13:13 that's a good way to obfuscate code 11:14:25 minion: how conveniently in the wrong channel! 11:14:25 please stop playing with me... i am not a toy 11:18:00 it might sound silly to desire such macros, but they are part of a DSL, that has to be as simple as possible to the end-user. So, is there a way to construct them? in an iteration over a list of there names? 11:18:30 corr: ...their names. 11:19:02 -!- ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:20:10 zoek1 [~moon@189.128.253.156] has joined #lisp 11:20:11 -!- zoek1 [~moon@189.128.253.156] has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:32 zoek1 [~moon@189.128.253.156] has joined #lisp 11:29:32 -!- zoek1 [~moon@189.128.253.156] has quit [Client Quit] 11:31:01 zoek1 [~zoek1@189.128.253.156] has joined #lisp 11:31:23 m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:34:36 eskatrem [~user@81.60.148.1.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 11:34:47 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-227-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:35:26 -!- m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:00 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Just be careful about eval-when and it should work? 11:58:00 a loop that runs a macro which wraps define-symbol-macro 11:59:38 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:00:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:00:34 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:45 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:00:45 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 12:01:53 iqool: just use a function: (define-symbol-macros TxURL (extract 'TxURL)) (defun extract (tag) (remove tag request :key (function tag) :test-not (function eq))) 12:02:31 s/-macros/-macro/ 12:04:04 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-180-237.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:10 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:30 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:04:43 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 12:11:13 p_I: what stage of processing will I have to give to eval-when ? 12:12:57 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:44 pjb: I understand. But then I will have repeat "(define-s-m blah (extract 'blah)" for all my tags, right? 12:14:23 dolist, loop, etc ? 12:14:40 iqool: what problem do you have with using macros to accomplish this? 12:18:06 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18:12 rszeno could you give me an example? I pasted what i hav already: http://paste.lisp.org/+2YNJ. 12:18:50 but its using eval, what is considered bad style... 12:19:09 Mazingaro [~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:19:43 How about using a macro and expanding to a progn with those repeated define-symbol-macro in it? 12:19:44 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 12:20:05 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:17 that has been suggested three times already 12:20:17 imo using eval is ok if you know what is doing, is bad style when is out of control 12:20:36 iqool: So, why aren't you using a macro? 12:20:57 In this case, there's no justification for eval. 12:21:28 true, was about repeating, :) 12:21:48 http://paste.lisp.org/display/138223#1 12:23:14 ah, thanks stassats, that what i wanted achive... 12:23:31 s/that/thats/ 12:25:32 -!- Mazingaro [~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: There are 10 kind of people in the World: those who understand binary code and those who do not.] 12:25:38 rszeno: Thats my problem with "eval", that its simple and understandable, but everybody tells me, not use it. 12:26:05 Mazingaro [~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:26:39 is good to listen and think about what people say then do in your way, :) 12:26:47 :-) 12:27:37 hi 12:28:00 finally is nothing good or bad, everything depend on context 12:28:42 stardiviner [~quassel@218.74.189.58] has joined #lisp 12:29:53 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:30:26 ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 12:30:47 stassats: your code seems quite sophisticated to me and I will have to analyze it. 12:31:02 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:31:14 if only i had a dime every time somebody told me that 12:32:29 m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:18 maybe is a good idea to have a donation mechanism, ala flattr, :) 12:33:28 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33:52 Aramur [~arare@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:34:52 -!- Mazingaro [~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:53 -!- m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:41:41 -!- eskatrem [~user@81.60.148.1.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:47:11 I'am happy now with my solution. It took me 100 Lines of code to get a query language to analyze varnish (https://www.varnish-cache.org/) -Logfiles. Our varnish produces endless Information (20000 Lines /s !) while running. I started with perl and closures and it soon got too complicated as I had to do lexing and parsing. Now I have some macros and get the full power of common lisp to ask queries and get information to adress problems with our webcache. 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I know how to compose functions. 15:13:25 iqool: thanks! 15:13:39 pjb: excuse me 15:13:53 iqool: give a man a fish, he's fed for the day. Teach him to fish, he'll feed himself for life. 15:14:38 iqool: thing about it, next time you get a coworker who can't write otherwise than by copy-and-pasting code from stackoverflow. 15:14:43 s/thing/think/ 15:14:49 you mean, he just could google it himself 15:15:04 Well, that'd be a first step. 15:15:30 of course i search in google before 15:15:51 but have no success find something relevant 15:16:05 for instance google on clojure compose 15:16:12 give much more examples 15:16:24 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:16:32 ts. throw "defun compose" into google. Result 1 matches. 15:16:54 iqool: yes, thanks 15:16:56 :-) 15:16:59 I get 85,200 hits with compose common lisp 15:17:17 But anyways, it's faster to write the function than to google for it. 15:17:34 But for that, you need to know the definition of f o g. 15:18:52 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 15:22:02 is it any standard utils lib, which i can include to my project with some helpful functions ? 15:22:07 Compose is also contained in the alexandria package. One can just quicklisp it. 15:22:36 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:52 Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has joined #lisp 15:23:44 http://quickutil.org/list?q=compose 15:24:14 But again, it's easier to write (defun compose ) if you know how composition is defined, than to quickload alexandria, and use the package. 15:29:11 pjb, But, admittedly, it's not so easy to handle multiple values, and it's not so easy to ensure yours is efficient, and it's not so easy to remember how to write the compiler macro. 15:30:53 about 9 times more difficult 15:31:18 Xach: why 9? 15:31:29 xach: How did you determine the factor 9 ? 15:32:15 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:32:23 since when is the topic +t? 15:33:42 faust45, iqool: estimation from an expert 15:34:14 (not me) 15:36:17 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:36:51 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:04 sorry guys for stupid question, google don't help me a lot. i create file utils.lisp and i want include it to my main.lisp file. i couldn't find simple way to do this 15:40:25 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 15:41:28 oh looks like (require 'utils) 15:41:31 work 15:42:31 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:37 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:42:39 faust45: The typical way to arrange for multiple files in a project to be loaded is via an ASDF system definition file. 15:43:10 something like myproject.asd with this: (asdf:defsystem myproject :serial t :components ((:file "utils") (:file "main"))) 15:43:22 then (asdf:load-system "myproject") should arrange to compile & load things in the right order 15:44:32 faust45, you are suffering from what I think is the point where most people decide to stop learning CL. 15:45:05 Then I discovered xach's quicklisp / quickproject and everything was fine... 15:46:12 look everyone, another utils.lisp ! 15:46:31 thanks 15:53:14 also how i can give name to expression? like (def ab (compose a b)) 15:54:33 faust45: You should read an introductory work on Common Lisp. These kinds of things are answered in the first few pages. 15:54:42 I quite like Practical Common Lisp, which is available online. 15:54:48 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:54:49 ok 15:54:52 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:55:26 doesthiswork [~Adium@174-31-178-247.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:13 I've heard this is good too: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 15:56:18 I haven't tried it myself. 15:57:19 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:37 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:01:11 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:01:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:11 -!- doesthiswork [~Adium@174-31-178-247.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:35 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:05:15 p_nathan [~vlion@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:56 I don't like that text very much. Touretzky is wrapping CL up in cotton wool, then stroking it :-) 16:06:17 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:11 doesthiswork [~Adium@174-31-178-247.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:56 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 16:15:02 It is valuable to the kind of person who has only been exposed to programming bits and bytes. 16:15:43 That isn't as true these days as it was when the book was written. 16:19:13 resttime [~rest@adsl-99-135-190-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:26 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 16:21:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:34 faust45: including files is done always the same way: #include "utils.lisp" and use cpp to get the file to feed the CL compiler. 16:24:45 If you really want to include it. 16:24:58 pjb is known to give stupid answers sometimes, and this is apparently one such time 16:25:12 If you don't want to delete all files on your hard drive, don't follow his advice all the time. 16:26:07 s/all the time/blindly/ 16:27:01 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:05 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 16:27:43 That said, at the university we wrote pascal programs with a pre-units compiler, so we used cpp to #include libraries. 16:27:45 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 16:27:54 Works well 16:28:43 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:03 <|3b|> if you just want a literal include, wouldn't #. be easier than using cpp? 16:29:33 sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:29:33 -!- sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:29:33 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:30:43 <|3b|> not breaking on other uses of # reader macro in the file would probably be convenient for one thing 16:31:23 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 16:31:30 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:31:40 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:33:24 |3b|: actually, you need something more, such as #.(include "file.lisp") that would read all the sexps and wrap then in a progn. 16:34:15 faust45: Install quicklisp, in the lisp repl do (ql:quickload "quickproject"), then do (quickproject:make-project "home/faust45/quicklisp/local-projects/myproject"), then in that directory you will have a myproject.lisp file where your code lives, you can add another file by creating it and adding it like Xach said, just edit myproject.asd. Then you can load it in the repl with (ql:quickload "myproject") 16:34:16 *|3b|* was thinking of (progn #. ...), but that works too 16:34:58 pavelpenev: thanks, but i just try require "utils.lisp" and this work for me 16:35:21 *|3b|* didn't actually think about it in detail though, since i'm not likely to actually want to do that any time soon, and don't think new lisp programmers should either 16:35:30 faust45: as long as you have two files, it will work fine, after that, you'll probably want it to work the way I described. 16:35:37 such as #.(com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.utility:include "file.lisp") for example. 16:37:07 faust45: also, if you don't have quicklisp installed, you'll have a bad time managing libraries. Might as well use it for your own code too. 16:37:12 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:21 Denommus [~Denommus@201.75.29.166] has joined #lisp 16:37:26 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@201.75.29.166] has quit [Changing host] 16:37:27 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:37:30 -!- Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:44 Denommus [~Denommus@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:38:22 also a question is i want pass functions to macros i always need quote #'? can i do like this (comp a b) comp is a macros 16:38:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:39:23 as you wish: you're writing the macro,you're doing whatever you want with the arguments. 16:39:42 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:42 Notice that if you write (mymacro #'x), it will receive as argument the list (cl:function x). 16:39:46 Not the function named x. 16:40:08 just as if you wriet (mymacro x) it receives the symbol X, not the value of the variable named X or something else. 16:41:19 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-76-115-114-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:51 pjb: this https://gist.github.com/faust45/6099228 16:41:55 don't work 16:41:57 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-76-115-114-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:02 (A B) 16:42:03 *** - UNLESS: variable B has no value 16:45:12 Of course, you didn't define the variable B. Otherwise it works perfectly: 16:45:33 pjb: i have (defun b before 16:45:51 faust45: you defined a function, not a variable 16:46:04 (defun a (x) x) cl-user> (let ((b 42)) (defvar d1 (comp a b))) prints: (a b) and returns: d1 as expected. 16:47:22 faust45: that's not what the macro comp says. It says that the arguments are interpreted as an application, therefore the first argument must be an operator, such as a function name, and the rest must be lisp expressions. If you fbind a to a function and you bind b to a variable, then (comp a b) makes sense and means (a b), which is the call of the function a with the value of b. 16:47:34 Again, the problem is that you haven't defined what comp is! 16:48:00 Usually, one write the definition in the docstring: you don't have any docstring specifying your macro, therefore it cannot have any bug. 16:48:28 m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:54 Mathieu_ [~cicak@42.61.225.221] has joined #lisp 16:49:08 pjb: interesting https://gist.github.com/6099244 16:49:22 when i uncomment ;(defvar b 4) 16:49:26 it works 16:49:34 but when comment it 16:49:41 variable B has no value 16:49:51 faust45: a symbol in CL can name both a function and a variable(and other things) at the same time 16:49:58 Yes. That's what COMP expects. 16:50:15 so b as function don't works 16:50:18 Well, you could write (comp quote b) and it would work whatever the bindings of b. 16:50:20 but a as function works 16:50:39 faust45: writing macros before you know how CL evaluates expressions is probably a bad idea 16:51:08 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:29 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:55 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:04 faust45: as Xach recommended, read practical common lisp first. CL isn't difficult, but it can be subtle at times. 16:53:11 sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:53:11 -!- sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:53:11 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:53:15 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-d24be555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:55:16 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:50 -!- iqool [~Thunderbi@2.173.18.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:39 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.136.172] has joined #lisp 16:58:31 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-130-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:47 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:02:11 -!- faust45 [~faust45@81.90.235.46] has quit [Quit: faust45] 17:04:13 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10:15 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has 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Is there a 'better' way? 20:22:38 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:22:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:56 (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:sexp-file-contents "file.lisp") 20:23:40 oops, no, this one only reads one sexp. 20:23:46 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:56 pjb: yea, that is the same as (read) 20:24:32 My point is that you just wrap the thing in a functional abstration = a function, and don't care how it's implemented any more. 20:24:38 sure 20:25:16 as a newb I thought I would ask, I can't count how many times I go the long way around and then later I stumble on something that just does what I wanted but better 20:25:37 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-251-178.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:42 ltbarcly: is there a reason LOAD won't work? 20:26:01 I don't want to evaluate anything 20:26:16 and some of the s-exp I'm loading may not be valid CL 20:27:14 <|3b|> if you are using LOOP, probably easier to COLLECT than push and reverse 20:27:25 thanks for the tip |3b| 20:27:49 ok, going to try it with collect, that actually does seem to make it a lot simpler 20:28:43 <|3b|> just make sure you use an object that couldn't be in the file to indicate end of file (instead of just NIL or whatever) 20:28:44 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.63.33] has joined #lisp 20:29:13 such as the stream 20:29:25 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:36 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:33:14 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:40 -!- CrazyEddy [~sinkhead@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Quit: .] 20:37:08 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: EvW] 20:37:23 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboe135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:37:26 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:44 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:15 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-130-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:27 CrazyEddy [~decolleta@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 20:39:55 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-154-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:40:00 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pirpshokmqgxcpsd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:24 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 20:42:07 Now, there's (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:sexp-list-file-contents "/tmp/r.lisp") to read a file of sexps as a list of sexps (and vice-versa, with (setf sexp-list-file-contents)). In gitorious, next month in quicklisp. 20:42:38 ltbarcly: it's not a problem to re-implement things. It's how you learn. 20:42:55 And code that you understand is always better than code that you don't: understood code is maintainable code. 20:42:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:13 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.42] has joined #lisp 20:43:50 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:44:38 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:22 https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/file.lisp#line158 20:45:25 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:45:47 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:46:28 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:42 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:47 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.136.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:47:43 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:33 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboo38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:49:21 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:49:24 daat418 [~user@c-67-180-90-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:42 -!- sandhu [~sandhu@bas1-jockvale05-3096537878.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:51:06 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboe135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:51:34 -!- m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: m104] 20:54:02 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:54:27 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:55:40 pjb: making some code using a function that is part of the standard is usually good, because there is a trust that other people will understand what is happening (standard is documented, random code isn't) 20:56:18 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: EvW] 20:56:39 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:58:41 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:06 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:10 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:45 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:02:11 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:03:50 eskatrem [~user@81.60.148.1.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:51 fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 21:07:01 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:01 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:03 kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-136-96-17.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:07:55 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:08:31 hi, I am having troubles adding the plugin mod_lisp to apache, basically it doesn't compile, and I don't know how to fix the C code 21:08:40 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:55 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:14:02 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:44 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:16:00 eskatrem: it is not used much any more, any particular reason to try it out? 21:16:43 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:17:17 eskatrem: when i want apache to talk to Lisp, I use mod_proxy to forward requests to Hunchentoot. (Actually I use nginx but the proxy concept remains the same) 21:17:45 well, I was trying the tutorial from http://lisp-book.org/ to serve http (chapter 21) 21:17:45 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:19:11 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04dcfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:17 Ah, well, it's not the way to try it any more. 21:19:28 I think there are newer tutorials but I don't know offhand, sorry 21:19:36 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 21:20:08 oh, too bad, that one was quite neat IMHO 21:21:58 gabnet [~gabnet@138.195.197.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:38 Xach, is this what you're describing: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/051219.html -> "running behing Apache"? 21:23:45 *behind 21:24:03 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 21:27:08 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:28:26 jagaj 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to use those 2 words carefully in different cases 23:25:12 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:14 variables are memory locations named by symbols 23:25:41 in most other languages variables are named by strings 23:27:58 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.151.45.194] has joined #lisp 23:29:09 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:31:32 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 23:35:26 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:28 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 23:38:59 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 23:39:19 -!- keen___ [~blackened@p3b920cd5.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:28 -!- agumonkey [~agu@117.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:39:29 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.151.45.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:41:43 keen___ [~blackened@p3b920cd5.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:42:11 ejohnson1 [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:12 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:20 -!- Mathieu_ [~cicak@42.61.225.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:43:45 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:36 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@76-205-169-48.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:55 -!- keen___ [~blackened@p3b920cd5.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:38 <`26> What is the interaction between defpackage/defsystem and multimethods? Can non-conflicting multimethods be automatically merged? 23:53:16 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:27 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.138.220] has joined #lisp 23:58:02 keen___ [~blackened@p3b920cd5.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:59:52 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]